Main Reasons Conservatives Oppose McCain

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It doesn't matter who he picks for a VP, if he doesn't make
concessions on some of these issues, he's not going to win in
November.

The only chance he has is if he signs a pledge to not sign an amnesty,
a near amnesty, and build a freaking wall.

It is only then will true conservatives rally around him.

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Main Reasons Conservatives Oppose McCain

By LIBBY QUAID - 1 day ago

WASHINGTON (AP) -- While Republican John McCain is urging his
conservative critics to rally around his presidential campaign, there
is a lot of water under that bridge.

Here are the top 10 reasons some conservatives dislike the Arizona
senator:

1. Campaign finance reform. McCain tried to limit the role of money in
politics with measures that, critics say, stomp on the constitutional
right to free speech.

2. Immigration. McCain has been a vocal supporter of a path to
citizenship for illegal immigrants, although he now says he
understands the border between the U.S. and Mexico must be sealed
first.

3. Tax cuts. McCain twice voted against President Bush's tax cuts,
saying in 2001 they helped the wealthy at the expense of the middle
class and in 2003 that there should be no tax relief until the cost of
the Iraq war was known. But he now wants to extend the tax cuts.

4. Gay Marriage. McCain refuses to support a constitutional amendment
to ban gay marriage.

5. Stem cell research. McCain would relax restrictions on federal
dollars for embryonic stem cell research, which critics consider
tantamount to abortion.

6. Global warming. Among the loudest voices in Congress for aggressive
action against global warming and a frequent critic of the Bush
administration on the issue.

7. "Gang of 14" member. One of seven Republicans and seven Democrats
who averted a Senate showdown over whether filibusters could be used
against Bush judicial nominees.

8. Kerry veep. McCain was approached by the Democratic presidential
nominee in 2004, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, about being his
running mate. McCain talked with Kerry but rejected the offer.

9. Works with Democrats. See all of the above.

10. Belligerence. McCain can be acerbic toward his critics, such as
when he labeled televangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson "agents
of intolerance." He reconciled with Falwell in 2006. Conservative
James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, said in a statement on
the morning of the Super Tuesday primaries that he would not vote for
McCain, citing among other things his "legendary temper" and that he
"often uses foul and obscene language."
 
So, are you saying that someone who is running to be our President, should
abandon his principals, just so that person can win the election?

"Bill O'Really" <billoreally@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:baa1659b-35d2-475f-9b20-d24ac4496f52@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> It doesn't matter who he picks for a VP, if he doesn't make
> concessions on some of these issues, he's not going to win in
> November.
>
> The only chance he has is if he signs a pledge to not sign an amnesty,
> a near amnesty, and build a freaking wall.
>
> It is only then will true conservatives rally around him.
>
> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hqIRljRZvoE6xi6uIpLsxix6UejwD8UM1VV80
>
> Main Reasons Conservatives Oppose McCain
>
> By LIBBY QUAID - 1 day ago
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- While Republican John McCain is urging his
> conservative critics to rally around his presidential campaign, there
> is a lot of water under that bridge.
>
> Here are the top 10 reasons some conservatives dislike the Arizona
> senator:
>
> 1. Campaign finance reform. McCain tried to limit the role of money in
> politics with measures that, critics say, stomp on the constitutional
> right to free speech.
>
> 2. Immigration. McCain has been a vocal supporter of a path to
> citizenship for illegal immigrants, although he now says he
> understands the border between the U.S. and Mexico must be sealed
> first.
>
> 3. Tax cuts. McCain twice voted against President Bush's tax cuts,
> saying in 2001 they helped the wealthy at the expense of the middle
> class and in 2003 that there should be no tax relief until the cost of
> the Iraq war was known. But he now wants to extend the tax cuts.
>
> 4. Gay Marriage. McCain refuses to support a constitutional amendment
> to ban gay marriage.
>
> 5. Stem cell research. McCain would relax restrictions on federal
> dollars for embryonic stem cell research, which critics consider
> tantamount to abortion.
>
> 6. Global warming. Among the loudest voices in Congress for aggressive
> action against global warming and a frequent critic of the Bush
> administration on the issue.
>
> 7. "Gang of 14" member. One of seven Republicans and seven Democrats
> who averted a Senate showdown over whether filibusters could be used
> against Bush judicial nominees.
>
> 8. Kerry veep. McCain was approached by the Democratic presidential
> nominee in 2004, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, about being his
> running mate. McCain talked with Kerry but rejected the offer.
>
> 9. Works with Democrats. See all of the above.
>
> 10. Belligerence. McCain can be acerbic toward his critics, such as
> when he labeled televangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson "agents
> of intolerance." He reconciled with Falwell in 2006. Conservative
> James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, said in a statement on
> the morning of the Super Tuesday primaries that he would not vote for
> McCain, citing among other things his "legendary temper" and that he
> "often uses foul and obscene language."
 
"Bill O'Really" <billoreally@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here are the top 10 reasons some conservatives dislike the Arizona
> senator:
>
> 1. Campaign finance reform. McCain tried to limit the role of money in
> politics with measures that, critics say, stomp on the constitutional
> right to free speech.
>
> 2. Immigration. McCain has been a vocal supporter of a path to
> citizenship for illegal immigrants, although he now says he
> understands the border between the U.S. and Mexico must be sealed
> first.
>
> 3. Tax cuts. McCain twice voted against President Bush's tax cuts,
> saying in 2001 they helped the wealthy at the expense of the middle
> class and in 2003 that there should be no tax relief until the cost of
> the Iraq war was known. But he now wants to extend the tax cuts.
>
> 4. Gay Marriage. McCain refuses to support a constitutional amendment
> to ban gay marriage.
>
> 5. Stem cell research. McCain would relax restrictions on federal
> dollars for embryonic stem cell research, which critics consider
> tantamount to abortion.
>
> 6. Global warming. Among the loudest voices in Congress for aggressive
> action against global warming and a frequent critic of the Bush
> administration on the issue.
>
> 7. "Gang of 14" member. One of seven Republicans and seven Democrats
> who averted a Senate showdown over whether filibusters could be used
> against Bush judicial nominees.
>
> 8. Kerry veep. McCain was approached by the Democratic presidential
> nominee in 2004, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, about being his
> running mate. McCain talked with Kerry but rejected the offer.
>
> 9. Works with Democrats. See all of the above.
>
> 10. Belligerence. McCain can be acerbic toward his critics, such as
> when he labeled televangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson "agents
> of intolerance."


I wish I had poll results at my fingertips. But since I do not, I am going
to attempt an educated guess.

Most of these "Top 10 Reasons" are being inaccurately portrayed by talk
radio and Fox News as "liberal positions". But I would venture to say that
most of these reflect the majority opinion of American voters. The very
issues the GOP needs to attract independents, Latinos and the few remaining
Regan democrats.

For example, nearly 60% of Americans support embryonic stem cell research
including Nancy Reagan.

The sole exception might be that the majority of Americans (except Latinos)
still oppose the Bush administration's "path to citizenship".

If you can cite contrary poll results, go for it. I am simply making a point
and not trying to start an argument. A lofty goal for a newsgroup thread
don't you think?
 
"Bill O'Really" <billoreally@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:baa1659b-35d2-475f-9b20-d24ac4496f52@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> Main Reasons Conservatives Oppose McCain
>
> By LIBBY QUAID - 1 day ago
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- While Republican John McCain is urging his
> conservative critics to rally around his presidential campaign, there
> is a lot of water under that bridge.
>
> Here are the top 10 reasons some conservatives dislike the Arizona
> senator:
>
> 1. Campaign finance reform. McCain tried to limit the role of money in
> politics with measures that, critics say, stomp on the constitutional
> right to free speech.


My opinion:

True conservatives are with McCain in efforts to remove
the influence of money on our politicians.

> 2. Immigration. McCain has been a vocal supporter of a path to
> citizenship for illegal immigrants, although he now says he
> understands the border between the U.S. and Mexico must be sealed
> first.


True conservatives oppose McCain's reluctance to seal
our ports and borders before any amnesty.

> 3. Tax cuts. McCain twice voted against President Bush's tax cuts,
> saying in 2001 they helped the wealthy at the expense of the middle
> class and in 2003 that there should be no tax relief until the cost of
> the Iraq war was known. But he now wants to extend the tax cuts.


True conservatives are with McCain in efforts to bring
some fiscal sanity to our federal government.

> 4. Gay Marriage. McCain refuses to support a constitutional amendment
> to ban gay marriage.


True conservatives are with McCain in opposing a constitutional
amendment on such trivia.

> 5. Stem cell research. McCain would relax restrictions on federal
> dollars for embryonic stem cell research, which critics consider
> tantamount to abortion.


True conservatives are split on this issue, but most would
not oppose efforts to advance medicine in this manner.

> 6. Global warming. Among the loudest voices in Congress for aggressive
> action against global warming and a frequent critic of the Bush
> administration on the issue.


The environment is important to true conservatives. The Bush
administration has been slow in pushing alternatives to oil.

> 7. "Gang of 14" member. One of seven Republicans and seven Democrats
> who averted a Senate showdown over whether filibusters could be used
> against Bush judicial nominees.


True conservatives question McCain's committment to
judges who interpret the law rather than invent new law
from the bench.

> 8. Kerry veep. McCain was approached by the Democratic presidential
> nominee in 2004, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, about being his
> running mate. McCain talked with Kerry but rejected the offer.


Irrelevant, dismissed.

> 9. Works with Democrats. See all of the above.


Irrelevant, dismissed.

> 10. Belligerence. McCain can be acerbic toward his critics, such as
> when he labeled televangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson "agents
> of intolerance." He reconciled with Falwell in 2006. Conservative
> James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, said in a statement on
> the morning of the Super Tuesday primaries that he would not vote for
> McCain, citing among other things his "legendary temper" and that he
> "often uses foul and obscene language."


Yes, he can be belligerent, which is sometimes necessary.

True conservatives have some issues with McCain (illegal immigration
and judicial appointments), but no more than other Republican
candidates.

If compared to Obama or Clinton, McCain is best for true
conservatives ... hands down.
 
On Feb 10, 6:08 pm, "Bob" <n...@email.add> wrote:
> "Bill O'Really" <billorea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:baa1659b-35d2-475f-9b20-d24ac4496f52@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Main Reasons Conservatives Oppose McCain

>
> > By LIBBY QUAID - 1 day ago

>
> > WASHINGTON (AP) -- While Republican John McCain is urging his
> > conservative critics to rally around his presidential campaign, there
> > is a lot of water under that bridge.

>
> > Here are the top 10 reasons some conservatives dislike the Arizona
> > senator:

>
> > 1. Campaign finance reform. McCain tried to limit the role of money in
> > politics with measures that, critics say, stomp on the constitutional
> > right to free speech.

>
> My opinion:
>
> True conservatives are with McCain in efforts to remove
> the influence of money on our politicians.
>
> > 2. Immigration. McCain has been a vocal supporter of a path to
> > citizenship for illegal immigrants, although he now says he
> > understands the border between the U.S. and Mexico must be sealed
> > first.

>
> True conservatives oppose McCain's reluctance to seal
> our ports and borders before any amnesty.
>
> > 3. Tax cuts. McCain twice voted against President Bush's tax cuts,
> > saying in 2001 they helped the wealthy at the expense of the middle
> > class and in 2003 that there should be no tax relief until the cost of
> > the Iraq war was known. But he now wants to extend the tax cuts.

>
> True conservatives are with McCain in efforts to bring
> some fiscal sanity to our federal government.
>
> > 4. Gay Marriage. McCain refuses to support a constitutional amendment
> > to ban gay marriage.

>
> True conservatives are with McCain in opposing a constitutional
> amendment on such trivia.
>
> > 5. Stem cell research. McCain would relax restrictions on federal
> > dollars for embryonic stem cell research, which critics consider
> > tantamount to abortion.

>
> True conservatives are split on this issue, but most would
> not oppose efforts to advance medicine in this manner.
>
> > 6. Global warming. Among the loudest voices in Congress for aggressive
> > action against global warming and a frequent critic of the Bush
> > administration on the issue.

>
> The environment is important to true conservatives. The Bush
> administration has been slow in pushing alternatives to oil.
>
> > 7. "Gang of 14" member. One of seven Republicans and seven Democrats
> > who averted a Senate showdown over whether filibusters could be used
> > against Bush judicial nominees.

>
> True conservatives question McCain's committment to
> judges who interpret the law rather than invent new law
> from the bench.
>
> > 8. Kerry veep. McCain was approached by the Democratic presidential
> > nominee in 2004, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, about being his
> > running mate. McCain talked with Kerry but rejected the offer.

>
> Irrelevant, dismissed.
>
> > 9. Works with Democrats. See all of the above.

>
> Irrelevant, dismissed.
>
> > 10. Belligerence. McCain can be acerbic toward his critics, such as
> > when he labeled televangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson "agents
> > of intolerance." He reconciled with Falwell in 2006. Conservative
> > James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, said in a statement on
> > the morning of the Super Tuesday primaries that he would not vote for
> > McCain, citing among other things his "legendary temper" and that he
> > "often uses foul and obscene language."

>
> Yes, he can be belligerent, which is sometimes necessary.
>
> True conservatives have some issues with McCain (illegal immigration
> and judicial appointments), but no more than other Republican
> candidates.
>
> If compared to Obama or Clinton, McCain is best for true
> conservatives ... hands down.


True conservative: some one who agrees with the poster.
 
On Feb 10, 12:53 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com>
wrote:

> So, are you saying that someone who is running to be our President, should
> abandon his principals, just so that person can win the election?


Short answer is no, he doesn't have to do **** to earn my vote, and I
don't have to vote for him. His problem is that many feel the same
way as I do.

The Long answer is,

Its politics Jerry and McCain and his staff have to figure out how to
best garner votes, I bet that never dawned on you did it?

Your assertion is not only laughable its absurd that you think McCain
has to abandon his principles to win an election.

First think Jerry, they (politicians) are suppose to serve the people
and bend to the will of the people. What a novel thought right?

Second, I'm not convinced that politicians with 25 plus years have
principles and that includes McCain.

I believe McCain as with most Washington assholes serve their special
interest lobbyists. Looks like he has some tough decisions to make.

Must suck to be McCain right now.

Bill O'Really
 
On Feb 10, 1:24 pm, "Michael T." <anonym...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> Most of these "Top 10 Reasons" are being inaccurately portrayed by talk
> radio and Fox News as "liberal positions". But I would venture to say that
> most of these reflect the majority opinion of American voters. The very
> issues the GOP needs to attract independents, Latinos and the few remaining
> Regan democrats.


Feel free to post evidence to back up that these reasons are being
portrayed inaccurately.



>
> For example, nearly 60% of Americans support embryonic stem cell research
> including Nancy Reagan.
>
> The sole exception might be that the majority of Americans (except Latinos)
> still oppose the Bush administration's "path to citizenship".
>
> If you can cite contrary poll results, go for it. I am simply making a point
> and not trying to start an argument.


Your point is well taken and I agree with you in that something like
stem cell research is widely acceptable across both parties.

Personally I don't think McCain would have to concede on all 10
points, but he is going to have to on some if he wants any real chance
of winning.


>A lofty goal for a newsgroup thread
> don't you think?


No, I thought it to be an interesting article one that might inspire
discussion such as this.

I can only speak for me in saying that my major beef with McCain is
his obsession with amnesty, McCain Feingold, and McCain Lieberman.


Bill O'Really
 
"Bill O'Really" <billoreally@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:33e63110-24c9-4e5a-91b6-25ea813cc04d@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 10, 1:24 pm, "Michael T." <anonym...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Most of these "Top 10 Reasons" are being inaccurately portrayed by talk
>> radio and Fox News as "liberal positions". But I would venture to say
>> that
>> most of these reflect the majority opinion of American voters. The very
>> issues the GOP needs to attract independents, Latinos and the few
>> remaining
>> Regan democrats.

>
> Feel free to post evidence to back up that these reasons are being
> portrayed inaccurately.
>


Good post Bill-O. It is always refreshing to find posters that want to
discuss the issues rather than talk over each other because they cannot
possibly conceive that someone with an opposing view might be reasonable
and/or informed <g>.

As I stated, I don't have the poll results on my fingertips. I concede that
my conclusions are based on many hours of watching cable news (FNC, MSNBC
and CNN) where poll results are frequently displayed and discussed.

For example, the notion that McCain opposing the tax cuts is being
characterized as _not_ a majority view - but a "liberal idea" I can offer
the following.

A recent CNN/Opinion Research poll asks. "Have the Federal tax cuts been
worth it, because they have helped strengthen the economy by allowing
Americans to keep more of their own money."

The survey found that 45% said they have not been worth it while 42% said
they have been worth it. I concede this is not exactly the issue you raised
where you said that opposing the tax cuts is one of the reasons
conservatives dislike McCain. This is true, but for contrarians like Sean
Hannity to suggest that this is clearly a "liberal" political position is
inaccurate.

>
> Your point is well taken and I agree with you in that something like
> stem cell research is widely acceptable across both parties.
>
> Personally I don't think McCain would have to concede on all 10
> points, but he is going to have to on some if he wants any real chance
> of winning.
>


Your point is well taken and I agree with you in that something like amnesty
is not widely accepted.

Touch
 
On Feb 10, 4:34 pm, "Michael T." <anonym...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "Bill O'Really" <billorea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:33e63110-24c9-4e5a-91b6-25ea813cc04d@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Feb 10, 1:24 pm, "Michael T." <anonym...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> >> Most of these "Top 10 Reasons" are being inaccurately portrayed by talk
> >> radio and Fox News as "liberal positions". But I would venture to say
> >> that
> >> most of these reflect the majority opinion of American voters. The very
> >> issues the GOP needs to attract independents, Latinos and the few
> >> remaining
> >> Regan democrats.

>
> > Feel free to post evidence to back up that these reasons are being
> > portrayed inaccurately.

>
> Good post Bill-O. It is always refreshing to find posters that want to
> discuss the issues rather than talk over each other because they cannot
> possibly conceive that someone with an opposing view might be reasonable
> and/or informed <g>.
>
> As I stated, I don't have the poll results on my fingertips. I concede that
> my conclusions are based on many hours of watching cable news (FNC, MSNBC
> and CNN) where poll results are frequently displayed and discussed.
>
> For example, the notion that McCain opposing the tax cuts is being
> characterized as _not_ a majority view - but a "liberal idea" I can offer
> the following.
>
> A recent CNN/Opinion Research poll asks. "Have the Federal tax cuts been
> worth it, because they have helped strengthen the economy by allowing
> Americans to keep more of their own money."
>
> The survey found that 45% said they have not been worth it while 42% said
> they have been worth it. I concede this is not exactly the issue you raised
> where you said that opposing the tax cuts is one of the reasons
> conservatives dislike McCain. This is true, but for contrarians like Sean
> Hannity to suggest that this is clearly a "liberal" political position is
> inaccurate.
>
>
>
> > Your point is well taken and I agree with you in that something like
> > stem cell research is widely acceptable across both parties.

>
> > Personally I don't think McCain would have to concede on all 10
> > points, but he is going to have to on some if he wants any real chance
> > of winning.

>
> Your point is well taken and I agree with you in that something like amnesty
> is not widely accepted.
>
> Touch
 
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