tizz Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 OK here is a quick senerio. Very quickly, first give your response yes or no, then explain why you answered and how you came to that conclusion A man is attempting to get critical medication for his wife (for this argument I will pick diabetis med) His wife needs them or she can go into shock. They have NO insurance (and for this argument there is no assistance available) When he goes to the pharmacy he is turned down because he does not have enough money. His wife only has one insulin shot left and will need more for the mornign or risk shock. The man waits till the store closes, breaks in gets the meds and leaves what money he did have. (assume he is caught) Should he go to jail for B&E or be let off the hook Yes or no and why and how did you draw your conclusion? Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman5140 Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Yes he should go to jail, he broke the law. If I was on the jury, would I convict him? Can't say for sure. BTW....how is this a man versus women topic? Would a wife not do the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 23, 2005 Author Share Posted August 23, 2005 It is man vs women in response Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw2747 Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Sorry, I don't see the true relevancy of the man vs woman stipulation. Is this supposed to create tension between the two sexes or is this something about morality? Quote "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 23, 2005 Author Share Posted August 23, 2005 It is not to cause tension, just ot pose as an example of teh dichotomy between teh sexes. It's classic eithics. The male/female perspective Though the results often do spur a fun argument Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw2747 Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Ahhhh I see. Hmmm the objective is more apparent now. Thank you. Quote "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 If I was on the jury, then "yes" I would vote to convict. The reason is, he broke the law and I agree with this particular law. Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegisteredAndEducated Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 I'd have to say convict, they could have gotten health insurance (hypothetically), or they could have gotten some kind of govm't help (we all know that we pay enough taxes). If he was unable to pay for it, or that there was the possibilty of such, he should have attempted to establish some other way to pay for the meds. We feel bad for convicting someone like this because of human intrests, but we have to treat every criminal the same, because they have all committed crimes. Quote Intelligent people think... how ignorance must be bliss.... idiots have it so easy, it's not fair... to have to think... WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE AMONG THOSE FORTUNATE MASSES..... Hey, "Non-believers" I've just got one thing to say to ya... If you're right, then what difference does it make, it wont matter when we're dead anyway... But if I'm right... Well, hey... Ya better be right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 23, 2005 Author Share Posted August 23, 2005 But you have to account for teh fact that in this senerio I took away govt help and health insurance Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 If I was a member of the jury I would convict. If I was ajudge I would give the minimum sentence with deferred ajudication. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJenn88 Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Let'em go free. If someone broke into my house when I wasn't home because they needed a phone, or some water, or medicine, I'd hope they at least took their shoes off. Other than that, I have no problem with it. His wife needed it. If she can't be taken care of, she'll kick the bucket. I value human life over any petty law written down to protect the greater of man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyME Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 He should not be punished by mans law. He will burn in hell soon enough for his crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaManiac Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 The old lady should have gone to the Px herself. If she was caught and incarcerated then the responsibility would fall onto the jail to provide her with her needed med's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 I think it's fair to make him put in man hours at the pharmacy for the damage he caused and the difference in price of the medicine, however long it took. But that's just me if I was the judge, also depending on the specific circumstances. I would also remind the man that there are organizations/govt agencies out there set up to help, without having to resort to doing that. But I certainly wouldn't let him just walk away scot-free, he isn't above the law, we all have problems, necessities, etc. etc. But this did remind me of something very interesting I read before, regarding men and women's different way of thinking, let me go find it....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 http://mentalhelp.net/psyhelp/chap3/chap3j.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 25, 2005 Author Share Posted August 25, 2005 How many times do I have to say that I purposely left OUT the possiblity of ANY govt help. NO money NO insurance NO goct help!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't ask questions, it is MY senerio and what I say goes to poo poo on you! Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 How many times do I have to say that I purposely left OUT the possiblity of ANY govt help. NO money NO insurance NO goct help!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't ask questions, it is MY senerio and what I say goes to poo poo on you! Tizz, my answer stands. I would still vote to convict regardless if he was able to seek outside support or not, because it is wrong! I would also seek the least possible penalty. Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaManiac Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 hmmmmmmmmm. I guess one could always be of the opinion that he should just let nature take it's course and start looking for a new wife that is not prone to illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 25, 2005 Author Share Posted August 25, 2005 Tizz, my answer stands. I would still vote to convict regardless if he was able to seek outside support or not, because it is wrong! I would also seek the least possible penalty. Okies, sounds good to me bnut then I am withholding my own answer Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 hmmmmmmmmm. I guess one could always be of the opinion that he should just let nature take it's course and start looking for a new wife that is not prone to illness.LOL, now that is REAL MAN's answer! Quote The first amendment provides our constitution with its voice. The second amendment provides its teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 25, 2005 Author Share Posted August 25, 2005 First: YES Why: Because PPP ( Piss Poor Planning) is not my problem, also the guy & wife could have bartered, traded, mowed a lawn, sold some oranges whatever. to obtain the cash. There are a million other options before you make the choice to break in and steal something. And as a judge I would be looking at that fact as well as the persons past brushes with the law, if any, before I sentenced him. And now for sparkys comment. So what your saying is I can just pop on over to your place and help myself to whatever I feel I need in life and your ok with that, as long as I don Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw2747 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 http://mentalhelp.net/psyhelp/chap3/chap3j.htm Gotta love the propaganda. Quote "I wish I was in Tijuana, eating barbecued iguana." - Wall of Voodoo http://www.sucksbbs.net/data/MetaMirrorCache/fb910e0baa5b4e108ffee98f66cdb3cc.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman5140 Posted August 26, 2005 Share Posted August 26, 2005 First: YES Why: Because PPP ( Piss Poor Planning) is not my problem, also the guy & wife could have bartered, traded, mowed a lawn, sold some oranges whatever. to obtain the cash. There are a million other options before you make the choice to break in and steal something. And as a judge I would be looking at that fact as well as the persons past brushes with the law, if any, before I sentenced him. And now for sparkys comment. So what your saying is I can just pop on over to your place and help myself to whatever I feel I need in life and your ok with that, as long as I don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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