Misleading Spin on Children's Health

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Sid9

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October 5, 2007
NY Times Editorial
Misleading Spin on Children's Health
Trying to justify his ideologically driven veto of a bill to expand the
State Children's Health Insurance Program, President Bush and his staff have
fired a barrage of misinformation about this valuable program. Before the
House votes on whether to override the veto, all members - especially those
from Mr. Bush's party who say they are concerned about millions of uninsured
children - must look behind the rhetoric.

Mr. Bush stretched the truth considerably when he told an audience in
Lancaster, Pa., that he has long been a strong supporter of the S-chip
program. "I supported it as governor, and I support it as president of the
United States," he said. As governor of Texas, Mr. Bush fought -
unsuccessfully - to restrict the state's program to children with family
incomes up to 150 percent of the poverty level, well below the 200 percent
allowed by federal law. As president, he is again trying to shrink the
program for the entire country. His proposed five-year budget does not
provide enough to continue enrollments at current levels, let alone cover
millions of the uninsured.

Mr. Bush's primary rationales for his veto tend to disintegrate when
examined closely. He contends that he wants to refocus the program on the
poor - those who earn too much to qualify for Medicaid but not enough to
afford private insurance. Yet the compromise bill approved by both houses
would primarily benefit poorer children. It includes various prods and
incentives to get states to enroll many more children who are below 200
percent of the poverty level, and projections suggest that a huge majority
of children who would be enrolled in the expansion would come from this
low-income group.

Perhaps the most eye-catching argument from the president is that the vetoed
bill would have allowed S-chip to cover children in families earning $83,000
a year. That claim hangs on the extremely flimsy thread that New York -
where insurance and living costs are higher than in many other parts of the
country - has proposed extending the eligibility level to 400 percent of
poverty, or $82,600 for a family of four. As far as most states are
concerned, the bill would discourage covering such children, by allowing the
enhanced S-chip match only up to 300 percent of the poverty level.

What's driving much of the Republican response to the bill is the White
House's contention that expanding S-chip is "an incremental step toward the
Democrats' goal of a government-run health system." The only word that
conforms to reality here is "incremental." S-chip is a tiny blip in the
federal budget compared with Medicare and Medicaid, the giant
government-financed health systems. House members need to think hard whether
it is worth denying coverage to millions of uninsured children just to keep
the blip a little smaller.

The bill primarily reflects a Senate version that was drafted with great
care by key members of both parties. It embodies principles that would
normally appeal to many conservatives. S-chip is not an entitlement program
like Medicare or Medicaid. Instead, it provides block grants to the states,
which can curtail enrollment if funds run out. Nor is S-chip permanent. It
will need to be reauthorized again in five years, at which time some future
Congress and president will be free to have another slugfest. The White
House declined overtures to join in consultations while the bill was being
framed, according to Senator Charles Grassley, a Republican sponsor. Like so
many other things that Mr. Bush has gotten disastrously wrong, he'd already
made up his mind and had no interest in listening to others' arguments.

Now it is up to Congress to show Mr. Bush that such blind partisanship will
not be rewarded. For the sake of America's children, lawmakers must override
the veto.
 
On Oct 4, 11:36 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Now it is up to Congress to show Mr. Bush that such blind partisanship will
> not be rewarded. For the sake of America's children, lawmakers must override
> the veto.


It is the American people who will show Bush and the poor little
Republicans that vote with him (and this includes the several pathetic
Republican presidential candidates
who foolishly AGREE with the Bush veto) that they WERE watching, they
WERE NOT fooled by the misinformation and they will.....
KICK OUT THOSE REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!

A special message now for Republicans who PERSIST in focusing their
concerns on corporations and wars instead of on the American
people......

Y O U L O S
E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Citizen Jimserac
 
On Oct 5, 10:10 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 4, 11:36 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > Now it is up to Congress to show Mr.Bushthat such blind partisanship will
> > not be rewarded. For the sake of America'schildren, lawmakers must override
> > the veto.

>
> It is the American people who will showBushand the poor little
> Republicans that vote with him (and this includes the several pathetic
> Republican presidential candidates
> who foolishly AGREE with theBushveto) that they WERE watching, they
> WERE NOT fooled by the misinformation and they will.....
> KICK OUT THOSE REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!
>
> A special message now for Republicans who PERSIST in focusing their
> concerns on corporations and wars instead of on the American
> people......
>
> Y O U L O S
> E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Citizen Jimserac


Can some one tell me exactly how much of this plan goes to children.
Can ony one tell me if any ofthis money goes to citizens other than
children
How many states give a greater percentage of this money to adults.
Is it true that there was a 5 bilion dollar increase
Is an increase a cut?
Please help me understand all the facts.
 
On Oct 6, 12:25 pm, metronid <metro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 5, 10:10 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 4, 11:36 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
> > > Now it is up to Congress to show Mr.Bushthat such blind partisanship will
> > > not be rewarded. For the sake of America'schildren, lawmakers must override
> > > the veto.

>
> > It is the American people who will showBushand the poor little
> > Republicans that vote with him (and this includes the several pathetic
> > Republican presidential candidates
> > who foolishly AGREE with theBushveto) that they WERE watching, they
> > WERE NOT fooled by the misinformation and they will.....
> > KICK OUT THOSE REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!

>
> > A special message now for Republicans who PERSIST in focusing their
> > concerns on corporations and wars instead of on the American
> > people......

>
> > Y O U L O S
> > E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>
> > Citizen Jimserac

>
> Can some one tell me exactly how much of this plan goes to children.
> Can ony one tell me if any ofthis money goes to citizens other than
> children
> How many states give a greater percentage of this money to adults.
> Is it true that there was a 5 bilion dollar increase
> Is an increase a cut?
> Please help me understand all the facts.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


First allow me to point out that SCHIP is a Republican initiative
designed to help citizens of modest income purchase medical insurance
for their children if it was not available through other means.

No money actually goes to the children. The federal government
provides block grants and a basic set of rules for use of the funds to
the states.

States use their own programs and revenue share, usually a 75/25
federal /state split.

States that do not wish to conform to the basic rules for revenue
sharing must file waivers to use federal funds if the waivers are
acceptable to the government the matching funds may be used.

Current waivers exist that allow illegal aliens, adults and families
with incomes over $60,000 access to these funds, New York state
requested a wavier to allow families earning $82,600 access to the
funding which was denied by this administration however could easily
be granted by the next.

The proposed legislation provides no requirement for SSN verification,
virtually standardized the benefit to 3X the national poverty level,
that is families earning over $60,000.

Defines children as up to age 25.

Allows the 640,000 adults currently abusing the program to weaned off
of benefits over a two year.

Institutes a don't ask don't tell policy for illegal aliens if they
lie , stating that they are entitled and provide a false SSN they may
receive all benefits.
 
On Oct 6, 2:15 pm, Ole redneck <tnbrac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 6, 12:25 pm, metronid <metro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 5, 10:10 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > > On Oct 4, 11:36 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
> > > > Now it is up to Congress to show Mr.Bushthat such blind partisanship will
> > > > not be rewarded. For the sake of America'schildren, lawmakers must override
> > > > the veto.

>
> > > It is the American people who will showBushand the poor little
> > > Republicans that vote with him (and this includes the several pathetic
> > > Republican presidential candidates
> > > who foolishly AGREE with theBushveto) that they WERE watching, they
> > > WERE NOT fooled by the misinformation and they will.....
> > > KICK OUT THOSE REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!

>
> > > A special message now for Republicans who PERSIST in focusing their
> > > concerns on corporations and wars instead of on the American
> > > people......

>
> > > Y O U L O S
> > > E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>
> > > Citizen Jimserac

>
> > Can some one tell me exactly how much of this plan goes tochildren.
> > Can ony one tell me if any ofthis money goes to citizens other than
> >children
> > How many states give a greater percentage of this money to adults.
> > Is it true that there was a 5 bilion dollar increase
> > Is an increase a cut?
> > Please help me understand all the facts.- Hide quoted text -

>
> > - Show quoted text -

>
> First allow me to point out that SCHIP is a Republican initiative
> designed to help citizens of modest income purchase medical insurance
> for theirchildrenif it was not available through other means.
>
> No money actually goes to thechildren. The federal government
> provides block grants and a basic set of rules for use of the funds to
> the states.
>
> States use their own programs and revenue share, usually a 75/25
> federal /state split.
>
> States that do not wish to conform to the basic rules for revenue
> sharing must file waivers to use federal funds if the waivers are
> acceptable to the government the matching funds may be used.
>
> Current waivers exist that allow illegal aliens, adults and families
> with incomes over $60,000 access to these funds, New York state
> requested a wavier to allow families earning $82,600 access to the
> funding which was denied by this administration however could easily
> be granted by the next.
>
> The proposed legislation provides no requirement for SSN verification,
> virtually standardized the benefit to 3X the national poverty level,
> that is families earning over $60,000.
>
> Defineschildrenas up to age 25.
>
> Allows the 640,000 adults currently abusing the program to weaned off
> of benefits over a two year.
>
> Institutes a don't ask don't tell policy for illegal aliens if they
> lie , stating that they are entitled and provide a false SSN they may
> receive all benefits.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Why does not CBS ABC etc tell us these facts
Is it possible the media is barinwashing me with their point of view
 
metronid wrote:
> On Oct 6, 2:15 pm, Ole redneck <tnbrac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 6, 12:25 pm, metronid <metro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 5, 10:10 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>>>> On Oct 4, 11:36 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>>
>>>>> Now it is up to Congress to show Mr.Bushthat such blind
>>>>> partisanship will not be rewarded. For the sake of
>>>>> America'schildren, lawmakers must override the veto.

>>
>>>> It is the American people who will showBushand the poor little
>>>> Republicans that vote with him (and this includes the several
>>>> pathetic Republican presidential candidates
>>>> who foolishly AGREE with theBushveto) that they WERE watching, they
>>>> WERE NOT fooled by the misinformation and they will.....
>>>> KICK OUT THOSE REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!

>>
>>>> A special message now for Republicans who PERSIST in focusing their
>>>> concerns on corporations and wars instead of on the American
>>>> people......

>>
>>>> Y O U L O S
>>>> E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>
>>>> Citizen Jimserac

>>
>>> Can some one tell me exactly how much of this plan goes tochildren.
>>> Can ony one tell me if any ofthis money goes to citizens other than
>>> children
>>> How many states give a greater percentage of this money to adults.
>>> Is it true that there was a 5 bilion dollar increase
>>> Is an increase a cut?
>>> Please help me understand all the facts.- Hide quoted text -

>>
>>> - Show quoted text -

>>
>> First allow me to point out that SCHIP is a Republican initiative
>> designed to help citizens of modest income purchase medical insurance
>> for theirchildrenif it was not available through other means.
>>
>> No money actually goes to thechildren. The federal government
>> provides block grants and a basic set of rules for use of the funds
>> to the states.
>>
>> States use their own programs and revenue share, usually a 75/25
>> federal /state split.
>>
>> States that do not wish to conform to the basic rules for revenue
>> sharing must file waivers to use federal funds if the waivers are
>> acceptable to the government the matching funds may be used.
>>
>> Current waivers exist that allow illegal aliens, adults and families
>> with incomes over $60,000 access to these funds, New York state
>> requested a wavier to allow families earning $82,600 access to the
>> funding which was denied by this administration however could easily
>> be granted by the next.
>>
>> The proposed legislation provides no requirement for SSN
>> verification, virtually standardized the benefit to 3X the national
>> poverty level, that is families earning over $60,000.
>>
>> Defineschildrenas up to age 25.
>>
>> Allows the 640,000 adults currently abusing the program to weaned
>> off of benefits over a two year.
>>
>> Institutes a don't ask don't tell policy for illegal aliens if they
>> lie , stating that they are entitled and provide a false SSN they may
>> receive all benefits.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> Why does not CBS ABC etc tell us these facts
> Is it possible the media is barinwashing me with their point of view


The above story is a distortion of reality.
It's spin. Period
 
metronid wrote:
> On Oct 5, 10:10 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 4, 11:36 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Now it is up to Congress to show Mr.Bushthat such blind
>>> partisanship will not be rewarded. For the sake of
>>> America'schildren, lawmakers must override the veto.

>>
>> It is the American people who will showBushand the poor little
>> Republicans that vote with him (and this includes the several
>> pathetic Republican presidential candidates
>> who foolishly AGREE with theBushveto) that they WERE watching, they
>> WERE NOT fooled by the misinformation and they will.....
>> KICK OUT THOSE REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!
>>
>> A special message now for Republicans who PERSIST in focusing their
>> concerns on corporations and wars instead of on the American
>> people......
>>
>> Y O U L O S
>> E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Citizen Jimserac

>
> Can some one tell me exactly how much of this plan goes to children.
> Can ony one tell me if any ofthis money goes to citizens other than
> children
> How many states give a greater percentage of this money to adults.
> Is it true that there was a 5 bilion dollar increase
> Is an increase a cut?
> Please help me understand all the facts.


This plan has been in effect since 1997.

Numbers such as you want may be
available using GOOGLE or some such.

They were not inventing the wheel this time around
 
On Oct 6, 10:24 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> metronid wrote:
> > On Oct 5, 10:10 am, Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Oct 4, 11:36 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
> >>> Now it is up to Congress to show Mr.Bushthat such blind
> >>> partisanship will not be rewarded. For the sake of
> >>> America'schildren, lawmakers must override the veto.

>
> >> It is the American people who will showBushand the poor little
> >> Republicans that vote with him (and this includes the several
> >> pathetic Republican presidential candidates
> >> who foolishly AGREE with theBushveto) that they WERE watching, they
> >> WERE NOT fooled by the misinformation and they will.....
> >> KICK OUT THOSE REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!

>
> >> A special message now for Republicans who PERSIST in focusing their
> >> concerns on corporations and wars instead of on the American
> >> people......

>
> >> Y O U L O S
> >> E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>
> >> Citizen Jimserac

>
> > Can some one tell me exactly how much of this plan goes tochildren.
> > Can ony one tell me if any ofthis money goes to citizens other than
> >children
> > How many states give a greater percentage of this money to adults.
> > Is it true that there was a 5 bilion dollar increase
> > Is an increase a cut?
> > Please help me understand all the facts.

>
> This plan has been in effect since 1997.
>
> Numbers such as you want may be
> available using GOOGLE or some such.
>
> They were not inventing the wheel this time around- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


You say spin
is this spin the thruth
 
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