Morality...Fact or Fabrication?

I just had a long discussion with my cousin about this. WHat do you think?

One word: Fabrication

 

It's created by some anal retentive holier than thou dipshit who goes on about how everything is wrong because he said so

Fabrication, morality was created in the days of cavemen to keep from killing each other, and to keep the food stock plentiful, more rules just keep getting added to the SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST theory to create what we have today that is called MORALS.

 

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Fabrication. Who up and decided killing was wrong? What if he stole from you? Should you kill him? I personally think it depends on what he stole. But it is a fabrication.

I have no opinion because all of you took the words right out of my mouth. Morality is just an idea created by a person. I do not see how it can possibly be a fact. Killing someone (for example) for no apparent reason is only a fact or being IMmoral due to a set of rules influenced upon a certain group of people.

 

Wow, looks like I did have an original explanation after all...

Fabrication.... Albeit a really usefull one...

Fact:

Without morality there would be total K-os.

 

Fabricated:

By man or God in order to keep from K-os but inbred as life has progressed.

Could be wrong, but I'm gonna guess that the whole moral law idea was probably first conceived by a few like minded individuals who were trying to convince the masses that they should maybe not bludgeon each other at the dinner table with the stolen goods from their neighbors tents. Or something along those lines. The big kicker, I guess is based on the idea that whatever the individual or group of individuals that are in power at the time, consider to be acceptable will of course be embraced by the masses. This in mind, there is always the possibility of drastic change in the moral code.

Where did Spock come from?? Awesome! and McCoy? I am partial to TNG myself, but thank you anyway. BTW, whats up with the "I am an idiot" thing???

Oh, there we go......

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Vulcan..........Earth..............either a low self esteem or high level of arrogance masked by sarcastic "self-cuts".

Are you trying to insult me or something? cmon, i know you can do better than that. I know Im an arrogant bastard.

Morality is something personal; it doesn't apply to everyone. Morality is simply an emotion and/or dogmatic code. Humanism is another story all together.

Both.

 

It is a fact in that the basic survival of a human being hinges upon what is most adventageous to it and what will keep it alive. Most often this involves being nice to others and generally not pissing people off, basic rules that were warped in what we call morality.

 

 

However, the concept of morality as it has come to be understood today is a total sham and fabrication (like religion in general) to keep certain people in power and to make money for them.

morality is the word we use to describe not doing something because we know its just pointlessly wrong, immoral people are those who either don't give a shit, or have something to gain from it so follow through anyway

Morality is an idea made by a person(s) who sets a standard on a way of living as far as dealing with respect, honor, and overall goodness. What may be moral to one person may be an atrocity to another. One person may think running around with a bomb strapped to your body and killing children is immoral and wrong while others thing it is okay to suck the dick off an imaginary being, run around with ordinance attached to ya and kill members of your own group. I say, that is immoral.

Morality is completely relative, unless it is decided by a being with absolute power and authority, then it becomes objective as long as said being enforces it completely and perfectly.

 

Thus, if there is no God, morality is subjective. If there is a God, morality may still be subjective unless God enforces it to the letter.

 

That's my take on it, anyway.

 

This is why I believe God could punish those who do not turn to Him even without wanting to, because He has taken it upon Himself to uphold this objective set of standards.

Fabrication

this is same as the oldest question in anthropology.

 

is it nature or nurture?

 

you can't say either way, and really can't take one side to it.

 

its it made up by the environment you're in? or are we built in with this?

 

I think we are made this way.

 

look at all the serial killers. They grew up fucked up with fucked up childhood and even more fucked up adulthood, they kill without remorse.

Morality...Fact or Fabrication?

 

have to say that my best answer to this question would be yes.

this is same as the oldest question in anthropology.

 

is it nature or nurture?

 

you can't say either way, and really can't take one side to it.

 

its it made up by the environment you're in? or are we built in with this?

 

I think we are made this way.

 

look at all the serial killers. They grew up fucked up with fucked up childhood and even more fucked up adulthood, they kill without remorse.

 

 

Afraid you got it wrong my dear, many serial killers are people who have lived normal lives, and the ones you make reference to who have no remorse are even more likely to be normal. Psychotics are labeled as such because they have no morality (Atleast not based around OTHER people) to them its no different to break a pencil then it is to break a neck, they see no difference. The ones who have become bitter/fuck-up from living a harsh life are more likely to know that what they are doing is wrong but they either can't control themselves or simply don't care. They are called delinquents.

 

To say that we are made with a moral structure already in place simply can't be true, even with nature and nuture as a side question. Many things come down to both, nothing is black and white including morality, so theres no point arguing ONE or the other.

 

We do have certain instincts and naturel desires towards certain acts (Protecting children/mate for example) these COULD be seen as morality but they are for the most part just slapped in becasue it makes evolutionary sense, the species must survive. Then there is the developpment of our social minds witch is determined almost entirely by our environment and experiences.

 

From day one as a baby we have 2 basic response to any stimulus; happy and crying. As we experience our early lives our minds start noticing and accounting for what things make us happy and the accepted ways of getting them as well as what makes us sad and how to avoid that. (Feelings such as guilt are a good example of your brain keeping you in check, something you've 'learned' not to be acceptable was done and your mind is raddled by it) So you start finding out that the best way of getting what you want is through co-operation with those around you and the pooling of resources, we are social animals afterall. Again, all within the group want to be happy and it is usually in your best intrest to keep them happy so they will continue to fill what ever need of yours they do.(Direct or indirect) This is the root of "Morality" ; A set of rules that have formed by groups to keep everyone functioning as to provide the greatest benefit for the person as well. (Like John Nash said; "The best results comes form doing whats best for the indivduel AND the group") So as one example was given earlier of chaos, which is advantagous to very few if anyone, we govern ourselves to avoid that.

 

There are many things which are seldom good for anyone, like the above, which is why we see so many common trends in moral structure world-wide. Its easy to see that if we all just killed whoever we wished it would ultimatly come back to bite us in the ass (Kinda like karma, but in a more real way and not a 'mystic force' why). This is why its easy to think that morality is totally naturel but when you really think about it, its definatly a grey.