Muslim Kills Many at Utah Mall

C

Charles Farley

Guest
Deseret Morning News
February 14, 2007

6 minutes of horror
Shooter aimed to kill as many as he could

By Pat Reavy and Ben Winslow

In just six minutes, 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic left a tragic path
of destruction that forever changed the lives of dozens of people.

"His intent was to shoot as many people as he possibly could," said
Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank.

Police released details Tuesday on Talovic's shooting rampage that
left five people dead before off-duty Ogden police officer Ken Hammond
and four Salt Lake City police officers killed him in "a shootout,"
Burbank said.

Four other shooting victims are hospitalized.

Talovic was armed with a shotgun, a .38-caliber handgun, and "a
backpack full of ammunition," Burbank said. Around the man's waist was
a bandolier of shotgun shells.

"He had a pump shotgun," said one witness, DeEtta Barta. "He was
shooting, and he shot about four shots."

Barta and her friend Ron Mason were celebrating her birthday at the
Desert Edge Brewery when they looked out the window and saw Talovic
emerging from the parking terrace, firing away. "It didn't seem real
to me," Mason said.

Ajka Omerovic, who said she was Talovic's aunt, visited the home
Tuesday afternoon. She told the Deseret Morning News that Talovic had
been "a good boy." She said the family are Muslims from Bosnia who had
lived in the vicinity of Sarajevo.

Investigators believe that Talovic pulled into the west parking
terrace of Trolley Square about 6:44 p.m. on Monday. He got out of his
car and shot 52-year-old Jeffery Walker and his son, 16-year-old AJ
Walker. Jeffery Walker was killed. AJ was taken to a local hospital
and was listed in critical but stable condition. Barta, who is an
intensive-care nurse, said she rushed to help the young man, who had
been shot in the head. "He had a bullet lodged superficially in his
temple, and his ear was bleeding," she said.

On his way into the mall, Shawn Munns' family said Talovic shot Munns,
34, in the courtyard near Green Street Social Club. Munns was heading
to a car when he heard a noise and turned a little.

Munns' sister-in-law, Jodie Sparrow, said the man heard Talovic say,
"Die, mother-****er!" as Munns was shot twice. Munns then stumbled
into the Hard Rock Cafe for help. He was reported to be in serious
condition at a hospital Tuesday but alert and talking to his family.

Salt Lake City police say Talovic entered Trolley Square's west
entrance, where he shot and killed 29-year-old Vanessa Quinn in the
hallway. People inside the Bath and Body Works store watched
helplessly as the woman was gunned down. "We saw him go in the back
door of the mall and into the store across from Bath and Body Works,
and he shot a girl right in front of the door," Madilee Puttuck said,
her voice shaking with fear. She and others locked themselves in a
bathroom to hide from the gunman.

Emergency dispatchers were flooded with 911 calls. So many calls were
made to the Salt Lake City Police Department's 911 dispatch center
that the city's overflow system kicked in, and calls started being
rerouted to the Valley Emergency Communications Center. The center
received approximately 50 calls from Trolley Square in a 10 to 15
minute period.

Police said Talovic next moved to Cabin Fever, a novelty and card
shop, where he shot four people inside, killing three. Carolyn Tuft,
44, and her 15-year-old daughter, Kirsten Hinckley, were shot.
Hinckley was killed, as were Brad Frantz, 24, and Teresa Ellis, 29.
Tuft was taken to the hospital and was listed in critical but stable
condition Tuesday.

Police said Talovic also shot Stacy Hanson, 53. Hanson was reported to
be in critical condition at a hospital Tuesday.

Witnesses told the Deseret Morning News that Talovic appeared to be
"hunting" people. Some described a calm expression on his face as he
aimed his shotgun and fired.

Off-duty Ogden police officer Hammond, who was eating dinner with his
pregnant wife at the Rodizio Grill, heard the gunfire. Walking into
the mall, he spotted people on the ground - and saw Talovic.

"I noticed a man with a shotgun walking out of the business where the
people were seriously injured," he said Tuesday. "He took a shot at
me."

Hammond said he backed up for safety and hit the ground, losing sight
of Talovic for a brief time.

Salt Lake City police arrived at Trolley Square at 6:47 p.m., and four
officers formed an "Emergency Action Team," a police tactic in which
officers immediately enter a situation to prevent more people from
being shot. It's a change from the days before the Columbine High
School tragedy, when officers would wait for more backup and set up a
game plan.

The officers "rushed right in" without worry for their own safety, the
chief said. Hammond was involved in the shootout with Talovic, and
Salt Lake City police arrived and helped corner the gunman.

"There was a shootout," said Barrett Dodds, an antique-shop owner in
the mall. At approximately 6:50 p.m., officers reported the gunman was
down. "There was blood all over that place," Dodds said.

Burbank praised the law enforcement agencies involved, which included
most officers in the Salt Lake Valley, plus the off-duty Ogden
officer. "There's no question (Hammond's) quick actions saved the
lives of numerous people," Burbank said.

http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660195489,00.html
 
On 15 Feb, 04:59, "Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZ...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Deseret Morning News
> February 14, 2007
>
> 6 minutes of horror
> Shooter aimed to kill as many as he could
>
> By Pat Reavy and Ben Winslow
>
> In just six minutes, 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic left a tragic path
> of destruction that forever changed the lives of dozens of people.

<SNIP>

If he indeed was a Muslim, I can't help thinking
he is just trying to fit in... after all, defending
you 2nd amedmant rights by shooting random
people at malls, schools, place of employment,
is a very popular past-time in the USA for
anybody aged 12 and over.

-Koppe
 
How many Americans have been killed by Muslims compared to how many Muslims
have been killed by Americans?

You wouldn't dare respond with those numbers.


"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1171511944.779675.24620@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Deseret Morning News
> February 14, 2007
>
> 6 minutes of horror
> Shooter aimed to kill as many as he could
>
> By Pat Reavy and Ben Winslow
>
> In just six minutes, 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic left a tragic path
> of destruction that forever changed the lives of dozens of people.
>
> "His intent was to shoot as many people as he possibly could," said
> Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank.
>
> Police released details Tuesday on Talovic's shooting rampage that
> left five people dead before off-duty Ogden police officer Ken Hammond
> and four Salt Lake City police officers killed him in "a shootout,"
> Burbank said.
>
> Four other shooting victims are hospitalized.
>
> Talovic was armed with a shotgun, a .38-caliber handgun, and "a
> backpack full of ammunition," Burbank said. Around the man's waist was
> a bandolier of shotgun shells.
>
> "He had a pump shotgun," said one witness, DeEtta Barta. "He was
> shooting, and he shot about four shots."
>
> Barta and her friend Ron Mason were celebrating her birthday at the
> Desert Edge Brewery when they looked out the window and saw Talovic
> emerging from the parking terrace, firing away. "It didn't seem real
> to me," Mason said.
>
> Ajka Omerovic, who said she was Talovic's aunt, visited the home
> Tuesday afternoon. She told the Deseret Morning News that Talovic had
> been "a good boy." She said the family are Muslims from Bosnia who had
> lived in the vicinity of Sarajevo.
>
> Investigators believe that Talovic pulled into the west parking
> terrace of Trolley Square about 6:44 p.m. on Monday. He got out of his
> car and shot 52-year-old Jeffery Walker and his son, 16-year-old AJ
> Walker. Jeffery Walker was killed. AJ was taken to a local hospital
> and was listed in critical but stable condition. Barta, who is an
> intensive-care nurse, said she rushed to help the young man, who had
> been shot in the head. "He had a bullet lodged superficially in his
> temple, and his ear was bleeding," she said.
>
> On his way into the mall, Shawn Munns' family said Talovic shot Munns,
> 34, in the courtyard near Green Street Social Club. Munns was heading
> to a car when he heard a noise and turned a little.
>
> Munns' sister-in-law, Jodie Sparrow, said the man heard Talovic say,
> "Die, mother-****er!" as Munns was shot twice. Munns then stumbled
> into the Hard Rock Cafe for help. He was reported to be in serious
> condition at a hospital Tuesday but alert and talking to his family.
>
> Salt Lake City police say Talovic entered Trolley Square's west
> entrance, where he shot and killed 29-year-old Vanessa Quinn in the
> hallway. People inside the Bath and Body Works store watched
> helplessly as the woman was gunned down. "We saw him go in the back
> door of the mall and into the store across from Bath and Body Works,
> and he shot a girl right in front of the door," Madilee Puttuck said,
> her voice shaking with fear. She and others locked themselves in a
> bathroom to hide from the gunman.
>
> Emergency dispatchers were flooded with 911 calls. So many calls were
> made to the Salt Lake City Police Department's 911 dispatch center
> that the city's overflow system kicked in, and calls started being
> rerouted to the Valley Emergency Communications Center. The center
> received approximately 50 calls from Trolley Square in a 10 to 15
> minute period.
>
> Police said Talovic next moved to Cabin Fever, a novelty and card
> shop, where he shot four people inside, killing three. Carolyn Tuft,
> 44, and her 15-year-old daughter, Kirsten Hinckley, were shot.
> Hinckley was killed, as were Brad Frantz, 24, and Teresa Ellis, 29.
> Tuft was taken to the hospital and was listed in critical but stable
> condition Tuesday.
>
> Police said Talovic also shot Stacy Hanson, 53. Hanson was reported to
> be in critical condition at a hospital Tuesday.
>
> Witnesses told the Deseret Morning News that Talovic appeared to be
> "hunting" people. Some described a calm expression on his face as he
> aimed his shotgun and fired.
>
> Off-duty Ogden police officer Hammond, who was eating dinner with his
> pregnant wife at the Rodizio Grill, heard the gunfire. Walking into
> the mall, he spotted people on the ground - and saw Talovic.
>
> "I noticed a man with a shotgun walking out of the business where the
> people were seriously injured," he said Tuesday. "He took a shot at
> me."
>
> Hammond said he backed up for safety and hit the ground, losing sight
> of Talovic for a brief time.
>
> Salt Lake City police arrived at Trolley Square at 6:47 p.m., and four
> officers formed an "Emergency Action Team," a police tactic in which
> officers immediately enter a situation to prevent more people from
> being shot. It's a change from the days before the Columbine High
> School tragedy, when officers would wait for more backup and set up a
> game plan.
>
> The officers "rushed right in" without worry for their own safety, the
> chief said. Hammond was involved in the shootout with Talovic, and
> Salt Lake City police arrived and helped corner the gunman.
>
> "There was a shootout," said Barrett Dodds, an antique-shop owner in
> the mall. At approximately 6:50 p.m., officers reported the gunman was
> down. "There was blood all over that place," Dodds said.
>
> Burbank praised the law enforcement agencies involved, which included
> most officers in the Salt Lake Valley, plus the off-duty Ogden
> officer. "There's no question (Hammond's) quick actions saved the
> lives of numerous people," Burbank said.
>
> http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660195489,00.html
>
 
Roger wrote:
> How many Americans have been killed by Muslims compared to how many Muslims
> have been killed by Americans?
> You wouldn't dare respond with those numbers.
>



Muslims killing muslims is halal. Far better in numbers too.
 
How many Americans have been killed by Muslims compared to how many Muslims
> have been killed by Americans?
>
> You wouldn't dare respond with those numbers.


One American is too many and all Muslims is not enough. There might still
exist some Muslim ameba somewhere.


"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45d44e1d$0$28155$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> How many Americans have been killed by Muslims compared to how many
> Muslims have been killed by Americans?
>
> You wouldn't dare respond with those numbers.
>
>
> "Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1171511944.779675.24620@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Deseret Morning News
>> February 14, 2007
>>
>> 6 minutes of horror
>> Shooter aimed to kill as many as he could
>>
>> By Pat Reavy and Ben Winslow
>>
>> In just six minutes, 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic left a tragic path
>> of destruction that forever changed the lives of dozens of people.
>>
>> "His intent was to shoot as many people as he possibly could," said
>> Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank.
>>
>> Police released details Tuesday on Talovic's shooting rampage that
>> left five people dead before off-duty Ogden police officer Ken Hammond
>> and four Salt Lake City police officers killed him in "a shootout,"
>> Burbank said.
>>
>> Four other shooting victims are hospitalized.
>>
>> Talovic was armed with a shotgun, a .38-caliber handgun, and "a
>> backpack full of ammunition," Burbank said. Around the man's waist was
>> a bandolier of shotgun shells.
>>
>> "He had a pump shotgun," said one witness, DeEtta Barta. "He was
>> shooting, and he shot about four shots."
>>
>> Barta and her friend Ron Mason were celebrating her birthday at the
>> Desert Edge Brewery when they looked out the window and saw Talovic
>> emerging from the parking terrace, firing away. "It didn't seem real
>> to me," Mason said.
>>
>> Ajka Omerovic, who said she was Talovic's aunt, visited the home
>> Tuesday afternoon. She told the Deseret Morning News that Talovic had
>> been "a good boy." She said the family are Muslims from Bosnia who had
>> lived in the vicinity of Sarajevo.
>>
>> Investigators believe that Talovic pulled into the west parking
>> terrace of Trolley Square about 6:44 p.m. on Monday. He got out of his
>> car and shot 52-year-old Jeffery Walker and his son, 16-year-old AJ
>> Walker. Jeffery Walker was killed. AJ was taken to a local hospital
>> and was listed in critical but stable condition. Barta, who is an
>> intensive-care nurse, said she rushed to help the young man, who had
>> been shot in the head. "He had a bullet lodged superficially in his
>> temple, and his ear was bleeding," she said.
>>
>> On his way into the mall, Shawn Munns' family said Talovic shot Munns,
>> 34, in the courtyard near Green Street Social Club. Munns was heading
>> to a car when he heard a noise and turned a little.
>>
>> Munns' sister-in-law, Jodie Sparrow, said the man heard Talovic say,
>> "Die, mother-****er!" as Munns was shot twice. Munns then stumbled
>> into the Hard Rock Cafe for help. He was reported to be in serious
>> condition at a hospital Tuesday but alert and talking to his family.
>>
>> Salt Lake City police say Talovic entered Trolley Square's west
>> entrance, where he shot and killed 29-year-old Vanessa Quinn in the
>> hallway. People inside the Bath and Body Works store watched
>> helplessly as the woman was gunned down. "We saw him go in the back
>> door of the mall and into the store across from Bath and Body Works,
>> and he shot a girl right in front of the door," Madilee Puttuck said,
>> her voice shaking with fear. She and others locked themselves in a
>> bathroom to hide from the gunman.
>>
>> Emergency dispatchers were flooded with 911 calls. So many calls were
>> made to the Salt Lake City Police Department's 911 dispatch center
>> that the city's overflow system kicked in, and calls started being
>> rerouted to the Valley Emergency Communications Center. The center
>> received approximately 50 calls from Trolley Square in a 10 to 15
>> minute period.
>>
>> Police said Talovic next moved to Cabin Fever, a novelty and card
>> shop, where he shot four people inside, killing three. Carolyn Tuft,
>> 44, and her 15-year-old daughter, Kirsten Hinckley, were shot.
>> Hinckley was killed, as were Brad Frantz, 24, and Teresa Ellis, 29.
>> Tuft was taken to the hospital and was listed in critical but stable
>> condition Tuesday.
>>
>> Police said Talovic also shot Stacy Hanson, 53. Hanson was reported to
>> be in critical condition at a hospital Tuesday.
>>
>> Witnesses told the Deseret Morning News that Talovic appeared to be
>> "hunting" people. Some described a calm expression on his face as he
>> aimed his shotgun and fired.
>>
>> Off-duty Ogden police officer Hammond, who was eating dinner with his
>> pregnant wife at the Rodizio Grill, heard the gunfire. Walking into
>> the mall, he spotted people on the ground - and saw Talovic.
>>
>> "I noticed a man with a shotgun walking out of the business where the
>> people were seriously injured," he said Tuesday. "He took a shot at
>> me."
>>
>> Hammond said he backed up for safety and hit the ground, losing sight
>> of Talovic for a brief time.
>>
>> Salt Lake City police arrived at Trolley Square at 6:47 p.m., and four
>> officers formed an "Emergency Action Team," a police tactic in which
>> officers immediately enter a situation to prevent more people from
>> being shot. It's a change from the days before the Columbine High
>> School tragedy, when officers would wait for more backup and set up a
>> game plan.
>>
>> The officers "rushed right in" without worry for their own safety, the
>> chief said. Hammond was involved in the shootout with Talovic, and
>> Salt Lake City police arrived and helped corner the gunman.
>>
>> "There was a shootout," said Barrett Dodds, an antique-shop owner in
>> the mall. At approximately 6:50 p.m., officers reported the gunman was
>> down. "There was blood all over that place," Dodds said.
>>
>> Burbank praised the law enforcement agencies involved, which included
>> most officers in the Salt Lake Valley, plus the off-duty Ogden
>> officer. "There's no question (Hammond's) quick actions saved the
>> lives of numerous people," Burbank said.
>>
>> http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660195489,00.html
>>

>
>
 
Koppe74 wrote:
> On 15 Feb, 04:59, "Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZ...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Deseret Morning News
> > February 14, 2007
> > 6 minutes of horror
> > Shooter aimed to kill as many as he could
> > By Pat Reavy and Ben Winslow
> > In just six minutes, 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic left a tragic path
> > of destruction that forever changed the lives of dozens of people.

> <SNIP>
>
> If he indeed was a Muslim, I can't help thinking
> he is just trying to fit in... after all, defending
> you 2nd amedmant rights by shooting random
> people at malls, schools, place of employment,
> is a very popular past-time in the USA for
> anybody aged 12 and over.
>



So, where is a religion of peace in it?
 
"docremington" <docremington@safe-mail.net> wrote in message
news:1171547740.983715.314270@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> Roger wrote:
>> How many Americans have been killed by Muslims compared to how many
>> Muslims
>> have been killed by Americans?
>> You wouldn't dare respond with those numbers.
>>

>
>
> Muslims killing muslims is halal. Far better in numbers too.


No one was talking about that.

Got anything on wok cookery?
 
Roger wrote:
> "docremington"
> > Roger wrote:
> >> How many Americans have been killed by Muslims compared to how many
> >> Muslims
> >> have been killed by Americans?
> >> You wouldn't dare respond with those numbers.

> >
> > Muslims killing muslims is halal. Far better in numbers too.

>
> No one was talking about that.
>



Now we do.

> Got anything on wok cookery?


http://www.lancashirewitches.com/wok.html
 
On Feb 16, 12:11 am, "docremington" <docreming...@safe-mail.net>
wrote:
> Koppe74wrote:


> So, where is a religion of peace in it?


I suppose pretty much the same place the "Religion of Love"
is whenever white Christian American decides to shoot-up
a school, his workplace or the local mall -- which happens
a lot more often, than Muslims doing it.

I also haven't seen much evidence of a "Religion of Love"
in broadcasts from Iraq, showing men, women and children
being bombed, shelled, shot or tortured by forces from the
(more or less) Christian USA...

-Koppe
 
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45d44e1d$0$28155$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> How many Americans have been killed by Muslims compared to how many

Muslims
> have been killed by Americans?


How many of those Americans killed by Muslims were terrorists?

>
 
"Koppe" <koppe74@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171740930.150631.24260@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 16, 12:11 am, "docremington" <docreming...@safe-mail.net>
> wrote:
> > Koppe74wrote:

>
> > So, where is a religion of peace in it?

>
> I suppose pretty much the same place the "Religion of Love"
> is whenever white Christian American decides to shoot-up
> a school, his workplace or the local mall -- which happens
> a lot more often, than Muslims doing it.


How many of those people (a) were professed Christians, and (b) received the
endorsement and approval of other Christians.

Looks like we have another pathetic Lefty Liberal trying to spin his
anti-Christian animus into an excuse for atrocities committed by Muslims...
 
On 17 Feb., 21:58, "Stan de SD" <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_S...@covad.net>
wrote:
> "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:45d44e1d$0$28155$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> > How many Americans have been killed by Muslims compared to how many

> Muslims
> > have been killed by Americans?

>
> How many of those Americans killed by Muslims were terrorists?


If someone invaded your decadent country and you fought to defend it,
would that make you a terrorist?
Are you that dumb or are you just playing dumb to prove how stupid
rightards are?



>
>
>
> - Zitierten Text ausblenden -
>
> - Zitierten Text anzeigen -
 
On 17 Feb., 22:03, "Stan de SD" <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_S...@covad.net>
wrote:
> "Koppe" <kopp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1171740930.150631.24260@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:11 am, "docremington" <docreming...@safe-mail.net>
> > wrote:
> > > Koppe74wrote:

>
> > > So, where is a religion of peace in it?

>
> > I suppose pretty much the same place the "Religion of Love"
> > is whenever white Christian American decides to shoot-up
> > a school, his workplace or the local mall -- which happens
> > a lot more often, than Muslims doing it.

>
> How many of those people (a) were professed Christians, and (b) received the
> endorsement and approval of other Christians.


You do approve of them, the moron does too...

>
> Looks like we have another pathetic Lefty Liberal


Ah! The leftist conspiracy... Gee, rightards are sooooo dumb that they
can even come with something new or intelligent to say... so they use
the good old "liberals! liberals! liberal!" accusation... Aren't you
tired of being laughed at?

trying to spin his
> anti-Christian animus into an excuse for atrocities committed by Muslims...


Wanna discuss the atrocities commited by Americans in Iraq?
 
ORIGINAL POSTLIST RESTORED

Bombastic Bushkin wrote:
> <snip>
>
>
>> Wanna discuss the atrocities commited by Americans in Iraq?
>>

> Or, we could talk about atrocities commited by white Christians
> against Black, Red, and Hispanic Christians in America.
>


Whatever floats your boat. I don't think anyone is actually sure what
religion the kid was a believer/practitioner of.

I don't count the lives of any ethnic or religious subgroup to be
inherently more valuable than another.

Hence I am an anti-imperialist/colonialist/zioNist

>
>
 
Parsifal wrote:
> On 17 Feb., 21:58, "Stan de SD" <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_S...@covad.net>
> wrote:
>> "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:45d44e1d$0$28155$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>> How many Americans have been killed by Muslims compared to how many

>> Muslims
>>> have been killed by Americans?

>> How many of those Americans killed by Muslims were terrorists?

>
> If someone invaded your decadent country and you fought to defend it,
> would that make you a terrorist?


In bizarro world of the Reichtard militarist it does. He probably cried
and got an erection watching "Red Dawn"

Well in Iraq we are the bad guys from that movie. Sad but true.
:-(

> Are you that dumb or are you just playing dumb to prove how stupid
> rightards are?
>


Does it matter?

>
>
>>
>>
>> - Zitierten Text ausblenden -
>>
>> - Zitierten Text anzeigen -

>
>
>
 
"Koppe" <koppe74@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171740930.150631.24260@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 16, 12:11 am, "docremington" <docreming...@safe-mail.net>
> wrote:
>> Koppe74wrote:

>
>> So, where is a religion of peace in it?

>
> I suppose pretty much the same place the "Religion of Love"
> is whenever white Christian American decides to shoot-up
> a school, his workplace or the local mall -- which happens
> a lot more often, than Muslims doing it.
>
> I also haven't seen much evidence of a "Religion of Love"
> in broadcasts from Iraq, showing men, women and children
> being bombed, shelled, shot or tortured by forces from the
> (more or less) Christian USA...


Good luck convincing these morons.

Prejudice is about the dumbest thing a human can think about.
 
"Stan de SD" <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_SPAM@covad.net> wrote in message
news:c8994$45d76b33$45035f0c$20590@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
>
> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45d44e1d$0$28155$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> How many Americans have been killed by Muslims compared to how many

> Muslims
>> have been killed by Americans?

>
> How many of those Americans killed by Muslims were terrorists?


Bush is the biggest terrorist. He killed over 600,000 Iraqis because of his
ideology.
 
On Feb 17, 10:03 pm, "Stan de SD" <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_S...@covad.net>
wrote:
> "Koppe" <kopp...@gmail.com> wrote in message


> How many of those people (a) were professed Christians, and (b) received the
> endorsement and approval of other Christians.


That hardly matters! My point is, that a lot more
Christians -- or at the very least people with a
Christian upbringing -- shoots-up places in the
USA than does Muslims.

And to take your arguments, the man may have
been a Muslim, that does however mean he was
a very dedicated (to the faith) one -- nor does
the fact that he was a Muslim have to have any
relation with his crime. Finally I very much doubt
he had recieved any endorsemnet from other
Muslims.

> Looks like we have another pathetic Lefty Liberal trying to spin his
> anti-Christian animus into an excuse for atrocities committed by Muslims...


Compared to what "Christian" USA have done in Iraq,
I doubt this can be labeled an "atrocity" in comparison.
I don't know how many times I've heard about people
shooting-up schools, workplaces, malls or other places
in the USA, and it's the first time a Muslim have done
it. Admittedly it were those two shooting random-people
in DC from the trunk of their car, but also if write-up all
serial-killers in the USA, you'd see a serious lack of
Muslims.

-Koppe
 
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171750422.527955.45990@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> On 17 Feb., 21:58, "Stan de SD" <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_S...@covad.net>
> wrote:
> > "Roger" <roge...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:45d44e1d$0$28155$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >
> > > How many Americans have been killed by Muslims compared to how many

> > Muslims
> > > have been killed by Americans?

> >
> > How many of those Americans killed by Muslims were terrorists?

>
> If someone invaded your decadent country and you fought to defend it,
> would that make you a terrorist?


Those people killing US and Iraqi government soldiers are indeed terrorists.
They aren't "fighting for their country" - given that they have more rights
and opportunities for self-determination than they did under Saddam. They
can vote, speak their minds, peacefully assemble, petition their government,
and run for office. The are simply trying to undermine any chance for
democracy.
 
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45d7fc9c$0$28129$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "Stan de SD" <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_SPAM@covad.net> wrote in message
> news:c8994$45d76b33$45035f0c$20590@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
> >
> > "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:45d44e1d$0$28155$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> >> How many Americans have been killed by Muslims compared to how many

> > Muslims
> >> have been killed by Americans?

> >
> > How many of those Americans killed by Muslims were terrorists?

>
> Bush is the biggest terrorist. He killed over 600,000 Iraqis because of

his
> ideology.


The fact that you actually believe that reveals what an idiot you truly
are...
 
Back
Top