Guest Dr. Jai Maharaj Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Facts about terrorist Islam and Muslims: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate Muslims Use Hindu Names to Survive Al Alam August 25, 2007 Calcutta, India, Aug 24 - Institutionalized discrimination against Muslims in India is promoting many Muslims to adopt Hindu names and identities just to be able to eke out a living. "Fifteen years ago, when I came to Calcutta in search of a job, almost all street restaurants in the city refused to employ me because I was a Muslim," Shaikh Salim told the Washington Times on Tuesday, August 21. "But soon I met a Muslim man who worked as a cook in a Hindu-owned restaurant under a Hindu identity. I followed his advice, picked up a Hindu identity, and soon an upper-class Hindu employed me to run a food stall." Salim, who goes by the common Hindu name Shankar Maity, now runs a food stall in a busy street in Calcutta, which he calls "Shankar's Fast Food." Nearly all of his customers are Hindus and he fears his business would suffer disastrously if they found out about his Muslim identity. "I know that [many Hindus] hate Muslims simply because of their religion. So, I have done nothing wrong by lying about my religious identity." There are nearly 140 million Muslims in India, constituting over 13 percent of its billion-strong population. Muslims have for decades complained of social and economic neglect and oppression. They account for less than seven percent of public service employees, only five percent of railways workers, around four percent of banking employees and there are only 29,000 Muslims in India's 1.3 million-strong military. Moreover, Shaokat Ali, who came to Calcutta to complete his master's degree in English, was forced to hide behind a fake name to ovoid the discrimination in a Hindu-dominated society. He can never tell any of his English language students his big secret of being a Muslim. To them he is Saikat Das, a famous Hindu name. He even keeps a large picture of the popular Hindu goddess Kali hanging on the wall in his room in a guesthouse complex, which accepted him as Das after 29 others refused him as Ali. "It pains me that I cannot tell people that I am a Muslim," lamented 24- year-old Ali. "I am restlessly waiting for the day when I shall be able to get out of this religious guise." Official figures show Muslims log lower educational levels and higher unemployment rates than the Hindu majority and other minorities like Christians and Sikhs. Ali is not alone in the identity trap. Every day as she prepares to go to work, Jahanara Begum takes off her silver talisman embossed with the word "Allah" and puts vermillion powder on her forehead. She has to maintain a Hindu appearance among her customers in the fish market where she is known as Parvati -- the name of a Hindu goddess. Analysts admit that the need for fake identities is a natural outcome of the institutionalized anti-Muslim prejudice in India. "In everyday life, Muslims in almost all spheres of life face a communal discrimination by powerful Hindus," Anjan Basu, a veteran social analyst and executive editor of the Bengali daily Pratidin, told the Times. "They are denied many of their basic rights and freedom in an unjustified way." Basu, a Hindu, said many Hindus believe that Pakistan was created for Muslims and they do not have right to live in India. Six decades after the partition, Basu added, Indian Muslims still face deep-seated discrimination. He warned against the repercussions for such a situation. "As Indian Muslims strongly feel they are being unjustifiably denied their share in developing India, their grievances could snowball into severe anger against the state and society, forcing many to resort to terrorism one day." http://www.alalam.ir/english/en-NewsPage.asp?newsid=009090120070824203431 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 posted on 08/24/2007 10:51:14 PM PDT by Ghayyour - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour Infiltrating by assuming a different identity could have a purpose beyond getting a job as a dishwasher. 2 posted on 08/24/2007 10:53:26 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour I wonder how tough it is for Hindus in Riyadh. 3 posted on 08/24/2007 10:58:07 PM PDT by inkling (exurbanleague.com) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour; Cronos; sukhoi-30mki; Gengis Khan > Institutionalized discrimination against Muslims in India is promoting > many Muslims to adopt Hindu names and identities just to be able to eke > out a living. Institutionalised? So, there are official laws to promote this? What blatant liars! 4 posted on 08/24/2007 11:00:10 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour > "As Indian Muslims strongly feel they are being unjustifiably denied > their share in developing India, their grievances could snowball into > severe anger against the state and society, forcing many to resort to > terrorism one day." As opposed to the carnivals of peaceful joy that they've indulged in so far? Lol! 5 posted on 08/24/2007 11:02:37 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour To any Indian, this is not news. 6 posted on 08/24/2007 11:02:48 PM PDT by Pencil Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour Whaaaa, pity poor the Muslims. Where AREN'T they oppressed? The way Arab Muslim media reports it, Muslims are severely oppressed all over the West. 7 posted on 08/24/2007 11:07:46 PM PDT by Brakeman (America can do nothing for the Muslim world) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To: Ghayyour > their grievances could snowball into severe anger against the state and > society, forcing many to resort to terrorism one day." Blackmail. Threaten. Hold us over a barrel until you get your way. Whining terrorist bastards. 8 posted on 08/24/2007 11:07:53 PM PDT by Semper911 ("We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it." - Marge Simpson) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: CarrotAndStick Do they just go to the countries of other people, looking for a way to have "severe anger against the state and society" in order to implement their preplanned terrorism? Because that's what I think they do. This is all a plan. I hope the Indians are smarter than we've been calling their bluff. 9 posted on 08/24/2007 11:09:15 PM PDT by mrsmel (Free Ramos and Compean! Duncan Hunter for President!) Reply to 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: All ARTICLE SNIPPET: "He warned against the repercussions for such a situation." 10 posted on 08/24/2007 11:09:31 PM PDT by Cindy Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour > Basu, a Hindu, said many Hindus believe that Pakistan was created for > Muslims and they do not have right to live in India. The fact that Hindus were ruthlessly driven out of Pakistan, unmentioned by our intrepid reporter, may have had something to do with it. 11 posted on 08/24/2007 11:09:41 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor - Paul Johnson) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Brakeman If they didn't have ulterior motives, that would give them a clue to not go to other countries. I'd love to hear one be forced to answer for how they treat people of other religions in Islamic states. 12 posted on 08/24/2007 11:10:28 PM PDT by mrsmel (Free Ramos and Compean! Duncan Hunter for President!) Reply to 7 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour > "So, I have done nothing wrong by lying about my religious identity." Sorry, Salim, but Mohammed begs to differ. Taking a Hindu name or any other name "indicating servitude to other than Allah" is forbidden by Shariah law. 13 posted on 08/24/2007 11:15:39 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: gondramB Do ya think? Sheesh. It's very clear where their loyalties are isn't it. They resent their plight. And who is forcing that plight on them. Okay, if you're a Muslim then why not move to a Muslim state, live life on honest terms and leave the Indians in peace. These folks don't feel at home anywhere. They bitch and moan, woa is me, they're so mean to me... then they demand the host nation make concessions. Nobody forced them to live in a non-Muslim state. Nope, the goal here is to change India. They can't wait until they can live in India openly as a Muslim. And that will not happen until they are the majority. 14 posted on 08/24/2007 11:22:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne Reply to 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: RepublitarianRoger He is lying to infidels. Protected speech in the ROP. [ROP = so-called Religion Of Peace] 15 posted on 08/24/2007 11:29:47 PM PDT by eyedigress Reply to 13 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: eyedigress I'm not sure if the one law cancels out the other -- in terms of what the Koran and Shariah dictate, that is. But yeah, I know that this is the way they justify it in their own minds. 16 posted on 08/24/2007 11:45:13 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger Reply to 15 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: RepublitarianRoger Yes, and I can only hope that over generations more and more follow his example, and that gradually the religion withers away, in fact as well as in name, in India. That would be at least a start. Anotherplace that islam could decline over time is in Java, where there is a slow, but steady draining away of Muslims back to their Java Hindu cultural roots. Every single thing of value that remains in Javanese culture is there only because it managed to survive Muslim cultural imperialism. Even today Islam tries to discredit Javanese tradtions in attempt to convert Javanese into coconut arabs -- make them culturally the same as Yemenis. Islam has been a plague and a blight in every land and culture it has infested. Without exception, there is no place, location, land or culture on the planet that would not be better off today if Mohammad had never been born. 17 posted on 08/25/2007 12:06:55 AM PDT by John Valentine Reply to 13 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: DoughtyOne I suspect that if Muslims weren't so busy in India trying to muscle out Hindus (generally by foul means), the Hindus of India wouldn't hate them so much. 18 posted on 08/25/2007 12:23:57 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck Reply to 14 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: HiTech RedNeck I won't say it, but I'll bet you know what I'm thinking... LOL 19 posted on 08/25/2007 12:30:58 AM PDT by DoughtyOne Reply to 18 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: DoughtyOne I'm lousy at guessing games, but I don't hear about the same level of trouble befalling Christians in India. When Hindus in India do wicked things to Christians it's usually because they're kicking back against the idea of being evangelized. Christians offer other people a choice. Muslims aren't so subtle about how they intend to "spread the faith." 20 posted on 08/25/2007 12:48:35 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck Reply to 19 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour; CarrotAndStick; Genghis Khan; sukhoi-30mki; All Ghayyour Saab, why is it that a Pakistani-Muslim who now claims to have "converted" to Christianity and now lives in Thailand have such hatred for us Hindus? Obviously in the fake cockadoo story that you have made up for us about your background...you must have witnessed a whole lot of atrocities that people from your ex-religion committed against PAkistani Hindus and Christians. All that the story says here is that Hindus don't want to employ Muslims. Now why is that even a problem? No one wants to harbor some crazed ROP donkey who's probably seething with enough anger to start with to commit a terrorist act. All I am saying is no one is kicked about harboring potential terrorists, not nations (except Islamic states like your own dear Pakistan), organizations or communities. In my opinion your conversion story is but a cover. You're a Pakistani Muslim who's trying to sow seeds of conflict among us FReepers trying to portray Hindus as vile and evil people. Isn't subterfuge and deceit also preached in your Hadiths...Oh yes.. it is...not surprising. 21 posted on 08/25/2007 2:44:19 AM PDT by MimirsWell Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour; CarrotAndStick; Genghis Khan; sukhoi-30mki; All Besides if all your Muslim brethren in Calcutta(Kolkata) hate pretending to be Hindus (without being forced by anyone to do so), they might as well go to Dhaka just a few 100 km south of Calcutta where they speak the same language the weather is the same but happens to be in Islamic Bangladesh which started off just as prosperous as Calcutta but thanks to your murdering ravenous ROP scum has lagged way behind even Communist-run Calcutta. 22 posted on 08/25/2007 2:47:27 AM PDT by MimirsWell Reply to 21 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour Bob? 23 posted on 08/25/2007 3:05:38 AM PDT by mmanager (Fred instead of Purebred, Crossbred and the Hothead) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: inkling Bad enough, but it gets infinitely worse in Mecca and Medina. 24 posted on 08/25/2007 3:12:40 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA) Reply to 3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: inkling > I wonder how tough it is for Hindus in Riyadh. I was thinking the same thing. 25 posted on 08/25/2007 3:15:02 AM PDT by knuthom Reply to 3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour Tons of Indian restaurants here are run by Muslims. Such as one I did not go back to. One I do go to is run by a Sikh which is OK. 26 posted on 08/25/2007 3:19:41 AM PDT by dennisw Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour > Muslims Use Hindu Names to Survive Doesn't all that do is make them a target for Muslims? 27 posted on 08/25/2007 3:39:08 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: MimirsWell Humm, didn't know he had crossed over to Christianity. If this is so, it looks like a sincere, if misguided, effort to come across as sympathetic to people who are now Muslims, in order to gain their hearing. Islam is THE most difficult people group in the world for Christians to persuade. However I can assure you that it does not reflect well on the Lord to gratuitously brown off another people group (i.e. Hindus such as yourself) in the process. 28 posted on 08/25/2007 3:43:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck Reply to 21 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Caipirabob I would assume that if challenged by another Muslim they privately tell what they are about, and that Muslims in the area are aware of the practice so don't go off half cocked. 29 posted on 08/25/2007 3:46:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck Reply to 27 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour If India has state sponsored laws against Islam then I applaud India for having the sense to do what other nations won't. The muslims invaded India a thousand years or so ago. They wanted to plunder, enslave and eradicate anything non-muslim. They forced millions of people into slavery and marched them back to the middle east, europe and central asia to be sold and bartered. Most of the slaves never made it beyond the mountain range known as the Hindu Kush, "Slayer of Hindus", where they froze to death, were starved, beaten or killed outright. The muslims destroyed thousands of Hindu temples and plundered the gold within them. The only thing muslims ever did for India was bring misery and the blight of their presence. I wish we had laws that dealt with muslims the same way. 30 posted on 08/25/2007 4:04:29 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: BuffaloJack Agreed. Pakistan was once part of India; it formed about the time the British were leaving India. The reason it was created; the Muslims wanted there own country and as a result the rioting and war that broke out killed over a million people. The Hindu's, and Sikhs of India, haven't forgot the way the Muslims achieve their goals, and treat them accordingly. Rightfully so; the practitioners of the Religion of Peace do the exact opposite, anywhere they're located. Study history; words speak volumes as to how cultures behave. Listen to what they say, but watch what they do.... 31 posted on 08/25/2007 4:28:52 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.") Reply to 30 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour bump for later. 32 posted on 08/25/2007 4:31:21 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: inkling Riyahd hell, what about in Pakistan? 33 posted on 08/25/2007 4:33:57 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!) Reply to 3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Jabba the Nutt Correct; Pakistan is 97%+ muslim, practically a pure muslim state (hence it's formation). Not a place I'd visit other than in a B-52. 34 posted on 08/25/2007 4:37:31 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.") Reply to 33 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: BuffaloJack; john drake The only laws which have anything to do with Muslims in India only FAVOUR them.A Slammie can marry 4 times & divorce in 3 seconds flat because they have their own personal law.One State in India,Jammu & Kashmir,which also has a majority Muslim population,has it's own constitution & the highest level of autonomy from the Central Government-not to mention massive subsidies. 35 posted on 08/25/2007 4:45:00 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki Reply to 30 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour So, are you the author of this piece? If so, do you intend on answering any of the criticisms that numerous FReepers have made? 36 posted on 08/25/2007 4:56:38 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Alas Babylon!; Ghayyour He is the author but he has obviously never been to Calcutta himself. He holds a Pakistani passport so its unlikely he ever got a visa to go about Calcutta interviewing Muslims there. So POINT I: The article isn't even first person account. POINT II: What is a self-confessed convert to Christianity (from Islam) doing writing articles favoring Islam and making it look like a 'victim' in secular India? This guy Ghayyour is obviously a Paki-agent or a ROP dog or both. And no, he won't stand to defend his points against our criticism. ROP propagandists are cowards. They run when they see strong opposition. 37 posted on 08/25/2007 5:39:58 AM PDT by MimirsWell Reply to 36 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: MimirsWell; Admin Moderator By the way, how is it that this guy's articles are posted on an Iranian website? http://www.alalam.ir ir is obviously an Iranian domain. Given the censorship in Iran and assuming the Ghayyour is the author of this piece like he claims in the titles, do we have an enemy agent in our midst? For once, it wont be a wolf free amidst lamb. This wolf just broke into a den of lions. 38 posted on 08/25/2007 5:43:07 AM PDT by MimirsWell Reply to 37 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour Darn, and here I thought that when I met an Indian with a typically Indian name, I could trust him because he was a Hindu, Jain, or Sikh, not Muslim. Apparently not. 39 posted on 08/25/2007 6:23:45 AM PDT by Fairview (Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: BuffaloJack > If India has state sponsored laws against Islam then I applaud India > for having the sense to do what other nations won't. Nope. In fact, it has the opposite, reverse-discrimination-esque laws. Indians are by and large, dhimmies, just like almost all other infidels. 40 posted on 08/25/2007 6:36:17 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick Reply to 30 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Fairview I suppose the best way to "tear off the mask" is to ask his opinion as to whether mohammed was a rapist, murderer, child molester and general loser who stole the majority of the basis of his so-called religion from Jews and Christians. If he turns into a raging, mouth foaming mad man, well, I guess, you flushed him out. Yep, he's a mohammedan. 41 posted on 08/25/2007 7:04:20 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.") Reply to 39 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour > As Indian Muslims strongly feel they are being unjustifiably denied > their share in developing India, their grievances could snowball into > severe anger against the state and society, forcing many to resort to > terrorism one day." Like they not resorting to terrorism now. /s 42 posted on 08/25/2007 7:23:24 AM PDT by Charlespg (Peace = When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour > As Indian Muslims strongly feel they are being unjustifiably denied > their share in developing India, their grievances could snowball into > severe anger against the state and society, forcing many to resort to > terrorism one day." Like they not resorting to terrorism now. /s 43 posted on 08/25/2007 7:23:27 AM PDT by Charlespg (Peace = When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Brakeman > "The way Arab Muslim media reports it, Muslims are severely oppressed > all over the West." And A-hole western liberals believe them. 44 posted on 08/25/2007 11:04:06 AM PDT by Levante Reply to 7 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: CarrotAndStick > Institutionalised? So, there are official laws to promote this? What > blatant liars! It wouldn't surprise me if it is unofficially institutionalized. India's caste system continues on in many regions, and it ain't pretty. But then again, Muslims spreading lies to gain advancements into enemy territory wouldn't surprise me, either. 45 posted on 08/25/2007 11:18:16 AM PDT by Teacher317 Reply to 4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour > Moreover, Shaokat Ali, who came to Calcutta to complete his master's > degree in English, was forced to hide behind a fake name to ovoid the > discrimination in a Hindu-dominated society. He is not forced to do anything! He can always go back to the Muslim paradise he came from or he can convert to a religion which does not demand that he cut off the head of anyone who does not follow his faith. 46 posted on 08/25/2007 11:42:37 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour Institutionalised discrimination against muslims? What rubbish? If anything else, India is extremely servile to muslims, because I think most Hindus are honestly afraid of muslims. No where in the world does a non-muslim country subsidize the HAJ pilligrimage of muslims. I only fear that Americans never degrade themselves to the level of Indians in this matter of Islamic appeasement, but they are considerably lucky that they dont have communist political parties here. 47 posted on 08/25/2007 11:57:06 AM PDT by design engineer Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour This is too rich! The members of the 'religion of liars', the 'religion' that grants freedom to no one, are upset because they are not free in a Hindu society? My- they don't sound like they like submission very much! How is it they continually fail to grasp the concept that people now BELIEVE what Islam says -- that it wants to dominate -- and that being members of a 'religion' that is trying to subjugate the planet is NOT going to get you love and kisses? Not being where they aren't wanted never occurs to them either. Of course it can't -- the purpose of inflitration is conquest. 48 posted on 08/25/2007 12:58:01 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam -- it's about Islam...) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: HiTech RedNeck You're right. There is a difference between spreading the word and spreading the word by force. My last comment was related to why Muslim groups are mistrusted here. Folks see what's taking place around the planet and object. 49 posted on 08/25/2007 1:33:16 PM PDT by DoughtyOne Reply to 20 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: John Valentine > Without exception, there is no place, location, land or culture on the > planet that would not be better off today if Mohammad had never been > born From what I have read on the subject nobody can actually prove that he ever really existed. I understand your meaning though and I agree totally. 50 posted on 08/25/2007 2:56:40 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?) Reply to 17 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour cry me a freaking river. imagine, muslims intimidated by indians?! 51 posted on 08/25/2007 4:29:55 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Hate me, I'm white.) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour "The massacres perpetrated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese." iii - Francois Gautier Hindu Holocaust Museum http://www.mantra.com/holocaust/ 52 posted on 08/25/2007 6:05:45 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour http://www.mtiministries.org/testimoniesvolume1.html Is this you, or are you using the name of someone else? Rana Ghayyour I belong to a muslim family. My age is 38 years old. I accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as my saviour when I was 16 years old. It is a long journey from Islam to Christianity, from darkness to light. When you change entirely, it is a wonderful experience. If it is you, and the above statement is the truth, you might just do yourself and us a huge favour by including this information on your bio page. Why? Because you very rarely respond to comments to the articles you post and we would all feel much more comfortable knowing whom we are communicating with. 53 posted on 08/25/2007 6:43:55 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour From the article: "Salim, who goes by the common Hindu name Shankar Maity, now runs a food stall in a busy street in Calcutta, which he calls "Shankar's Fast Food. Nearly all of his customers are Hindus and he fears his business would suffer disastrously if they found out about his Muslim identity." LOL! So he decided to adverstise the fact that he is a Muslim pretending to be a Hindu in a MAJOR NEWSPAPER. This d00d is braindead. 54 posted on 08/25/2007 10:57:02 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream) Reply to 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -To: Ghayyour Ho hum. Sounds like what my great great-grandparents had to go through in this country to be accepted when they immigrated. They had to Americanize the family name so they wouldn't be discriminated against. Their children accepted the loss of the family name, so they would be able to find housing and employment because too many rooming houses and employers had signs posted that said "Irish need not apply". My best friend's grandfather did this during WWII. He went from Schultz to Smith because he didn't want anyone to associate his family with the atrocities committed by Germany. Everyone accepted it and moved on. 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Guest shaokat.ali@gmail.com Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 On Oct 24, 5:06 am, use...@mantra.com and/or http://www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote: > Facts about terrorist Islam and Muslims: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate > > Muslims Use Hindu Names to Survive > > Al Alam > August 25, 2007 > > Calcutta, India, Aug 24 - Institutionalized discrimination against > Muslims in India is promoting many Muslims to adopt Hindu names and > identities just to be able to eke out a living. > > "Fifteen years ago, when I came to Calcutta in search of a job, almost > all street restaurants in the city refused to employ me because I was a > Muslim," Shaikh Salim told the Washington Times on Tuesday, August 21. > > "But soon I met a Muslim man who worked as a cook in a Hindu-owned > restaurant under a Hindu identity. I followed his advice, picked up a > Hindu identity, and soon an upper-class Hindu employed me to run a food > stall." > > Salim, who goes by the common Hindu name Shankar Maity, now runs a food > stall in a busy street in Calcutta, which he calls "Shankar's Fast Food." > > Nearly all of his customers are Hindus and he fears his business would > suffer disastrously if they found out about his Muslim identity. > > "I know that [many Hindus] hate Muslims simply because of their religion. > So, I have done nothing wrong by lying about my religious identity." > > There are nearly 140 million Muslims in India, constituting over 13 > percent of its billion-strong population. > > Muslims have for decades complained of social and economic neglect and > oppression. > > They account for less than seven percent of public service employees, > only five percent of railways workers, around four percent of banking > employees and there are only 29,000 Muslims in India's 1.3 million-strong > military. > > Moreover, Shaokat Ali, who came to Calcutta to complete his master's > degree in English, was forced to hide behind a fake name to ovoid the > discrimination in a Hindu-dominated society. > > He can never tell any of his English language students his big secret of > being a Muslim. > > To them he is Saikat Das, a famous Hindu name. > > He even keeps a large picture of the popular Hindu goddess Kali hanging > on the wall in his room in a guesthouse complex, which accepted him as > Das after 29 others refused him as Ali. > > "It pains me that I cannot tell people that I am a Muslim," lamented 24- > year-old Ali. > > "I am restlessly waiting for the day when I shall be able to get out of > this religious guise." > > Official figures show Muslims log lower educational levels and higher > unemployment rates than the Hindu majority and other minorities like > Christians and Sikhs. > > Ali is not alone in the identity trap. > > Every day as she prepares to go to work, Jahanara Begum takes off her > silver talisman embossed with the word "Allah" and puts vermillion powder > on her forehead. > > She has to maintain a Hindu appearance among her customers in the fish > market where she is known as Parvati -- the name of a Hindu goddess. > > Analysts admit that the need for fake identities is a natural outcome of > the institutionalized anti-Muslim prejudice in India. > > "In everyday life, Muslims in almost all spheres of life face a communal > discrimination by powerful Hindus," Anjan Basu, a veteran social analyst > and executive editor of the Bengali daily Pratidin, told the Times. > > "They are denied many of their basic rights and freedom in an unjustified > way." > > Basu, a Hindu, said many Hindus believe that Pakistan was created for > Muslims and they do not have right to live in India. > > Six decades after the partition, Basu added, Indian Muslims still face > deep-seated discrimination. > > He warned against the repercussions for such a situation. > > "As Indian Muslims strongly feel they are being unjustifiably denied > their share in developing India, their grievances could snowball into > severe anger against the state and society, forcing many to resort to > terrorism one day." > > http://www.alalam.ir/english/en-NewsPage.asp?newsid=00909012007082420... > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > 1 posted on 08/24/2007 10:51:14 PM PDT by Ghayyour > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: Ghayyour > > Infiltrating by assuming a different identity could have a purpose beyond > getting a job as a dishwasher. > > 2 posted on 08/24/2007 10:53:26 PM PDT by gondramB > (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words) > > Reply to 1 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: Ghayyour > > I wonder how tough it is for Hindus in Riyadh. > > 3 posted on 08/24/2007 10:58:07 PM PDT by inkling > (exurbanleague.com) > > Reply to 1 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: Ghayyour; Cronos; sukhoi-30mki; Gengis Khan > > > Institutionalized discrimination against Muslims in India is promoting > > many Muslims to adopt Hindu names and identities just to be able to eke > > out a living. > > Institutionalised? So, there are official laws to promote this? What > blatant liars! > > 4 posted on 08/24/2007 11:00:10 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick > > Reply to 1 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: Ghayyour > > > "As Indian Muslims strongly feel they are being unjustifiably denied > > their share in developing India, their grievances could snowball into > > severe anger against the state and society, forcing many to resort to > > terrorism one day." > > As opposed to the carnivals of peaceful joy that they've indulged in so > far? > > Lol! > > 5 posted on 08/24/2007 11:02:37 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick > > Reply to 1 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: Ghayyour > > To any Indian, this is not news. > > 6 posted on 08/24/2007 11:02:48 PM PDT by Pencil > > Reply to 1 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: Ghayyour > > Whaaaa, pity poor the Muslims. > > Where AREN'T they oppressed? > > The way Arab Muslim media reports it, Muslims are severely oppressed all > over the West. > > 7 posted on 08/24/2007 11:07:46 PM PDT by Brakeman > (America can do nothing for the Muslim world) > > Reply to 1 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > - To: Ghayyour > > > their grievances could snowball into severe anger against the state and > > society, forcing many to resort to terrorism one day." > > Blackmail. Threaten. Hold us over a barrel until you get your way. > > Whining terrorist bastards. > > 8 posted on 08/24/2007 11:07:53 PM PDT by Semper911 > ("We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it." > - Marge Simpson) > > Reply to 1 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: CarrotAndStick > > Do they just go to the countries of other people, looking for a way to > have "severe anger against the state and society" in order to implement > their preplanned terrorism? Because that's what I think they do. This is > all a plan. I hope the Indians are smarter than we've been calling their > bluff. > > 9 posted on 08/24/2007 11:09:15 PM PDT by mrsmel > (Free Ramos and Compean! Duncan Hunter for President!) > > Reply to 5 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: All > > ARTICLE SNIPPET: > > "He warned against the repercussions for such a situation." > > 10 posted on 08/24/2007 11:09:31 PM PDT by Cindy > > Reply to 1 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: Ghayyour > > > Basu, a Hindu, said many Hindus believe that Pakistan was created for > > Muslims and they do not have right to live in India. > > The fact that Hindus were ruthlessly driven out of Pakistan, unmentioned > by our intrepid reporter, may have had something to do with it. > > 11 posted on 08/24/2007 11:09:41 PM PDT by denydenydeny > (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get > the witch doctor - Paul Johnson) > > Reply to 1 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: Brakeman > > If they didn't have ulterior motives, that would give them a clue to not > go to other countries. > > I'd love to hear one be forced to answer for how they treat people of > other religions in Islamic states. > > 12 posted on 08/24/2007 11:10:28 PM PDT by mrsmel > (Free Ramos and Compean! Duncan Hunter for President!) > > Reply to 7 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: Ghayyour > > > "So, I have done nothing wrong by lying about my religious identity." > > Sorry, Salim, but Mohammed begs to differ. Taking a Hindu name or any > other name "indicating servitude to other than Allah" is forbidden by > Shariah law. > > 13 posted on 08/24/2007 11:15:39 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger > > Reply to 1 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: gondramB > > Do ya think? Sheesh. It's very clear where their loyalties are isn't it. > They resent their plight. And who is forcing that plight on them. > > Okay, if you're a Muslim then why not move to a Muslim state, live life > on honest terms and leave the Indians in peace. > > These folks don't feel at home anywhere. They bitch and moan, woa is me, > they're so mean to me... then they demand the host nation make > concessions. > > Nobody forced them to live in a non-Muslim state. > > Nope, the goal here is to change India. They can't wait until they can > live in India openly as a Muslim. And that will not happen until they are > the majority. > > 14 posted on 08/24/2007 11:22:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne > > Reply to 2 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: RepublitarianRoger > > He is lying to infidels. Protected speech in the ROP. > [ROP = so-called Religion Of Peace] > > 15 posted on 08/24/2007 11:29:47 PM PDT by eyedigress > > Reply to 13 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -To: eyedigress > > I'm not sure if the one law cancels out the other -- in terms of what the > Koran and Shariah dictate, that is. But yeah, I know that this is the way > they justify it in their own minds. > > 16 posted on 08/24/2007 11:45:13 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger > > Reply to 15 > > - - - - - - > ... > > read more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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