My Testimony of a Living Prophet

http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron's%20Page.html

My Testimony

The Gospel is the most important thing in my life. It gives us the meaning

and purpose of life. Meeting Art Bulla was an incredible experience because

for the first time I met a true prophet of God. Since beingbaptized back on

March 2002 and ordained into the Church of Jesus Christ I have had the Holy

Ghost continually striving with me so my faith is unshakable. While the rest

of apostate Christendom is lost in false doctrines, I am satisfied knowing

that I am in the one true church. Over a 30 year period, Art has received

volumes of revelations called the Revelations of Jesus Christ. They can be

downloaded for free at (http://www.artbulla.com/zion/order.html) or the book

can be purchased at

http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?isbn=0-595-28287-3

But first, how I discovered Art.

I first learned about Art Bulla from my brother, Jong in July 2000 when he

returned home from Tennessee to where I was living with our family in

Gardena, CA. While he living in TN, he learned about the Mormon Church from

an old lady, a member, who had sold him the land he was living on. (I

noticed Jong started studying Christianity in late 1998. He seemed

particularly interested in where the apostolic authority for baptism

described in the Book of Acts had gone.) He was baptized into the Church but

started to notice inconsistencies between the modern Church under the

Presidencies of Spencer W. Kimball up till Gordon B. Hinckley and the early

Church established by Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and John Taylor. In early

2000 he read a post written by Art on a Mormon newsgroup. His testimony can

be read : (http://www.artbulla.com/zion/jong'spage.html).

So when he returned home, he discussed with me Mormonism. I was a bit

overwhelmed at first and did not believe. However, over time I thought about

it and progressed in knowledge, reading Art's website and finally a couple

years later was baptized into the Church on March 2, 2002. But first a

little background on me on how I first discovered Jesus. Around the time I

dropped out of college at UC Riverside due to lack of interest in early

1999 and moved to Lomita,CA just south of Torrance and started to work at

AT&T Worldnet with Jong commuting to Burbank, I started to desire to believe

in God. I started to build a faith that God is existed and that the Bible

was his revealed word. Why did I believe ? It just seemed true to me I

thought. I mean for 2000 years people have accepted Jesus as the Only

Begotten Son of God. Millions of people accepted Christianity, how could the

Bible be wrong I thought. That and the Gospel had an appeal to my soul

because it had a certain purity about it, a certain ring of divinity and

truth about it. But could I say for 100% certainty that Jesus is real ? No,

I could not. I mean it sounded like it could be true but I never saw Jesus

myself although historically I knew he existed. So for several months that

year I thought about it and had a more or less blind faith in it. The

scriptures say we need a testimony by the Holy Spirit in order to know for

certainty if the Gospel is real.

26 Even so, come unto me and learn of my ways, and I will give unto you,

even as many as shall come, that peace which surpasseth understanding, and

if ye shall inquire of me concerning these things, will I the Lord manifest

by the influence and power of the Holy Ghost that these things are verily

true and are of me, saith the Lord.

Revelations of Jesus Christ sec. 6:26

27 But behold, if ye will awake and arouse your faculties, even to an

experiment upon my words, and exercise a particle of faith, yea, even if ye

can no more than desire to believe, let this desire work in you, even until

ye believe in a manner that ye can give place for a portion of my words.

28 Now, we will compare the word unto a seed. Now, if ye give place, that a

seed may be planted in your heart, behold, if it be a true seed, or a good

seed, if ye do not cast it out by your unbelief, that ye will resist the

Spirit of the Lord, behold, it will begin to swell within your breasts; and

when you feel these swelling motions, ye will begin to say within

yourselves--It must needs be that this is a good seed, or that the word is

good, for it beginneth to enlarge my soul; yea, it beginneth to enlighten my

understanding, yea, it beginneth to be delicious to me.

(Alma 32:27-28)

So around the middle of October '99 around the time I quit working at AT&T,

one morning I believe around 6:30 in my room at the Lomita apartment I

shared with my family, I got on my hands and knees on the floor facing the

window that overlooked the street on Narbonne Ave. I still remember it like

it was yesterday I started by praying, "Father in Heaven, I pray in the

name of Jesus that you will forgive me for my sins..." and right after those

exact words suddenly the words started to pour out of my mouth

uncontrollably at the same time I could feel the Spirit physically flowing

through my body like a jet of water! So then I knew that the Gospel is real!

That Jesus did really exist and He truly was the Only Begotten Son of God. I

now had a testimony which I wonder if so many so called Christians have the

same witness. I also had a couple more memorable experiences after that

within around a 3 day period where I was just completely engulfed by the

Spirit almost to the point where I don't think I could be impressed anymore

if an angel had appeared in front of me or so it felt that ways anyways. No

man could shake me from testimony, no one, no Darwinist scientist or anyone.

However, following those experiences, I never felt the Spirit again. It

stopped comunicating with me. It was like a water hose was shut off. The

problem was I didn't know the scriptures better or I would have known the

answer. You see, you can have all the signs and wonders you want, dreams,

visions, angels, the Holy Spirit, all of that will not save your soul. You

need to be baptized by a legal administrator just like Paul was baptized by

Ananias after seeing Jesus in a vision on the road to Damascus to persecute

the Saints (Acts 9:1-18).

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also

believe, and tremble.

(James 2:19)

Here is what the scriptures say in order to be saved:

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth

not shall be damned.

(Mark 16:16)

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of

water, and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

( John 3:5)

37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said

unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall

we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in

the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the

gift of the Holy Ghost.

(Acts 2:37-38)

So in order to be saved you MUST be baptized. So if you agree with

scriptures above, the questions that remains to be asked is which Church is

authorized to perform baptism. With so many different Christian sects, the

Catholics and Protestants which is the true Church. How can so many

different churches with different doctrines, various interpretations of the

scriptured co-exist ? Would God allow such chaos to exist ? Did not Paul

write in Ephesians 4:5 there is "one faith, one baptism" ? Aren't we to come

to the "unity of the faith" ?

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists;

and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the

edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the

Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the

fulness of Christ:

(Ephesians 4:11-13)

The Prophet Joseph Smith the founder of the Mormon Church when a boy of 14

years old in 1819 was living with his family on a farm in Palymra, New York.

At the time there was a great deal of religious excitement in the United

States with all the different denominations competing with one another to

claim themselves as the correct Church. His family had joined the Methodists

but he still was unsure so he prayed to God and this is his personal account

of what happened:

(Joseph Smith-History 1:14-21):

14 So, in accordance with this, my determination to ask of God, I retired

to the woods to make the attempt. It was on the morning of a beautiful,

clear day, early in the spring of eighteen hundred and twenty. It was the

first time in my life that I had made such an attempt, for amidst all my

anxieties I had never as yet made the attempt to pray vocally.

15 After I had retired to the place where I had previously designed to go,

having looked around me, and finding myself alone, I kneeled down and began

to offer up the desires of my heart to God. I had scarcely done so, when

immediately I was seized upon by some power which entirely overcame me, and

had such an astonishing influence over me as to bind my tongue so that I

could not speak. Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for

a time as if I were doomed to sudden destruction.

16 But, exerting all my powers to call upon God to deliver me out of the

power of this enemy which had seized upon me, and at the very moment when I

was ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction--not to an

imaginary ruin, but to the power of some actual being from the unseen world,

who had such marvelous power as I had never before felt in any being--just

at this moment of great alarm, I saw a pillar of light exactly over my head,

above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell

upon me.

17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which

held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose

brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One

of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the

other--This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the

sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did

I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the

Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right

(for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were

wrong)--and which I should join.

19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong;

and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an

abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that:

"they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me,

they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of

godliness, but they deny the power thereof."

20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did

he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself

again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the

light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I

went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the

matter was. I replied, "Never mind, all is well--I am well enough off." I

then said to my mother, "I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is

not true." It seems as though the adversary was aware, at a very early

period of my life, that I was destined to prove a disturber and an annoyer

of his kingdom; else why should the powers of darkness combine against me?

Why the opposition and persecution that arose against me, almost in my

infancy?

21 Some few days after I had this vision, I happened to be in company with

one of the Methodist preachers, who was very active in the before mentioned

religious excitement; and, conversing with him on the subject of religion, I

took occasion to give him an account of the vision which I had had. I was

greatly surprised at his behavior; he treated my communication not only

lightly, but with great contempt, saying it was all of the devil, that there

were no such things as visions or revelations in these days; that all such

things had ceased with the apostles, and that there would never be any more

of them.

I learned that the Mormon Church was the restored Church of Jesus Christ but

they had apostatized and the keys belonged in the hands of Art, a former

Apostle of the Church. On April 7th, I was ordained a Seventy Apostle. After

I was ordained a 70 Apostle, I was given a command by Art by revelation of

the Lord that I should move down to San Diego with Jong who was already

living here so that the brethren could be living more closer together. So

after having found a job, I moved down here to San Diego to live with my

brother in late May. On May 23rd, I was ordained in the Quorum of Twelve.

Who is Art Bulla ? The following is the account of his first vision.

FIRST VISION

While journeying on foot about 10:00 P.M. in the east, being inducted into

the armed forces the next day, being on the way to the bus station to travel

to the armed forces induction station in Raleigh, N.C, I received the

following vision, while on the road on foot at night:

"December 29, 1969, while enwrapted in a heavenly vision, It seemed that I,

Art Bulla, was removed out of my body, or whether in the body or out of it I

could not tell, and I beheld his face, and He spake unto me face to face as

one man speaks unto another for forty-five minutes or an hour, and whether

in the body or out of it, I could not tell, for I beheld his glory, which

surpasses all understanding, and spake while in the vision, in a much better

tongue than any spoken by man at this time, which I supposed to be the

Adamic Tongue, my understanding being quickened by such might and

intelligence and power that it is beyond the mind of man unaided by the

Spirit of Revelation which dwells yet within me, to comprehend, and indeed

no words can convey, for it seemed that I was transfigured before Him of

whom I speak, my God in whom I bear record as others have before me, that He

lives, for I too have seen Him. And tongue cannot express his matchless

might, glory, power and intelligence, and I shall forever adore his glory,

for having once beheld his face and felt of his love and might and power and

beheld things which I cannot convey, for there is no language, I must, I

MUST obtain his presence, and I shall not be content with anything else,

this world or its allurements. And having been ordained unto the Holy Order

of God which is after the Order of Melchizedec, even the Holy Apostleship,

the keys of which I hold, I bear record of my Father, for I have seen Him

and conversed with him, and I testify that He shall return in this the

Latter Day as soon as my people are straightened from this crooked and

perverse generation which shall be destroyed by the might of his power, and

that they be gathered out according to the Revelations which are being given

unto me, almost daily at this time, which is one of the darkest periods and

most wicked because of unbelief in the history of the earth, that Zion may

descend and that the heavens and the earth mingle and become One, as prayed

by the Only Begotten, even my brother Jesus of Nazereth. Yea, my Father, I

pray that thy will be done and thy Kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven.

Even so. Amen."

In July of 1971 Art was stationed at Fort Sam Houston, TX studying to become

an advance medical lab technician ( medical technologist). His wife Cathy

introduced him to the Book of Mormon and as he read the first paragraph of

Nephi, he had a powerful testimony by the Holy Spirit. Soon afterwards, he

was baptized into the Mormon Church. In 1974, he was ordained a Seventy

Apostle by Rex D. Pinegar (http://www.artbulla.com/zion/about.html). A few

months after the Church under President Spencer W. Kimball reversed the ban

on giving blacks the Priesthood on June 9, 1978, Art received his first two

written revelations from the Lord one of which rebuked the Mormons for

giving the negro the Priesthood. He showed them to his home teacher Randy

Olsen who attacked him and broke his nose. The Stake wanted Art to apologize

and summoned him to appear at Stake High Council Court but he would not

apologize and was excommunicated. Due to the Church apostatizing by giving

the negro the Priesthood despite Brigham Young's prophecy warning them of

the grave consequences, the keys of the Priesthood was taken from the

Church. (More on Art's background can be read on "A Tale to Tell" at

http://www.artbulla.com/zion/tale.html )

"Let this Church which is called the Kingdom of God on the earth. We will

summons the First Presidency, the Twelve, the High Council, the Bishopric,

and all the Elders of Israel, suppose we summons them to appear here, and

here declare that it is right to mingle our seed, with the black race of

Cain, that they shall come in with us and be partakers with us of all the

blessings that God has given to us. on that very day and hour we should do

so, the Priesthood is taken from THIS CHURCH AND KINGDOM and god leaves us

to our fate. The moment we consent to mingle with the seed of Cain, the

Church must go to destruction. We should receive the curse which has been

placed upon the seed of Cain, and never more be numbered with the children

of Adam who are heirs to the Priesthood until that curse be removed."

Brigham Young Addresses, Ms D, 1234, Box 48, Folder 3, dated Feb. 5, 1852,

located in the LDS Historical Dept. SLC, UT.

The Lord has wrested the keys of the Priesthood from the Church and given it

to Art who as a Seventy has the requiste Priesthood authority required to be

the Lord's Anointed. Jesus Himself was an Apostle.

"The Seventies are Apostles; and they stand next in authority to the

Twelve...If through the providence of God the First Presidency and the

Twelve were taken away, then it would be the duty of the Seventies to preach

the Gospel, build up the Church , and ordain every officer requisite in

order to establish the Church, and ordain High Priests, Bishops, High

Counselors, Patriarchs, and set in order the whole church in all the world.

This is according to the revelations given to us...I suppose I ordained

hundreds of Seventies in early days. Brother Joseph Smith has come to us

many times, saying, 'Brethren, you are going to ordain Seventies. Do not

forget to confer the high priesthood (Melchizedec priesthood) upon them.

Ordain each of them to the High Priesthood, and to be one of the Seventy

Apostles.' This was my language in the ordination of the Seventies, and

that is the way I ordain them now. Brigham Young, Des. News, June 6, 1877,

p. 274.

Despite the false beliefs of the Mormons, the Priesthood is not limited to

the Church but stands apart from the Church.

Read http://www.artbulla.com/zion/andruskog.htm :

A cogent, analytical, and historically accurate as well as correct analysis

of the relationship of the political Kingdom of God to the Church and the

Priesthood by Hyrum Andrus, Professor Emiritus, Brigham Young University.

"I will say to you with regard to the kingdom of God on the earth, Here is

the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints., organized with its rules,

regulations and degrees, with the quorums of the holy Priesthood, from the

First Presidency to the teachers and deacons; here we are, an organization.

God called upon Joseph, he called upon Oliver Cowdery, then others were

called through Joseph, the Church was organized, he with his two counselors

comprised the First Presidency. In a few years the Quorum of the Twelve was

organized, the High Council was organized, the High Priests' quorum was

organized, the Seventies' quorums were organized, and the Priests' quorum,

the Teachers' quorum and the Deacons'. This is what we are in the habit of

calling the kingdom of God. But there are further organizations. The Prophet

gave a full and complete organization to this kingdom the Spring before he

was killed. This kingdom is the kingdom that Daniel spoke of, which was to

be set up in the last days; it is the kingdom that is not to be given to

another people; it is the kingdom that is to be held by the servants of God,

to rule the nations of the earth, to send forth those laws and ordinances

that shall be suitable and that shall apply themselves to the Church of

Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; that will apply themselves to the mother

Church."

For an illustrated diagram of the structure of the Kingdom of God see:

http://www.artbulla.com/images/kingdom.gif

The fact is even before the Church was organized on April 6, 1830, almost a

year before on May 1829, the Melchizedek Priesthood was restored when Peter,

James, and John returned and laid hands on Joseph Smith. This in itself

proves that the Priesthood and the Church are separate. Joseph Smith

ordained as Apostles Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, and Martin Harris even

before the existence of the Church.

"God chooses prophets, you (the Church) do not do this." Brigham Young

Brigham Young; Journal of Discourses, 26 vols., 1:, p.133

"Perhaps it may make some of you stumble, were I to ask you a question-Does

a man's being a Prophet in this Church prove that he shall be the President

of it? I answer, no! A man may be a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, and it may

have nothing to do with his being the President of the Church. Suffice it to

say, that Joseph was the President of the Church, as long as he lived: the

people chose to have it so. He always filled that responsible station, by

the voice of the people. Can you find any revelation appointing him the

President of the Church? The keys of the Priesthood were committed to

Joseph, to build up the Kingdom of God on the earth, and were not to be

taken from him in time or in eternity; but when he was called to preside

over the Church, it was by the voice of the people; though he held the keys

of the Priesthood, independent of their voice."

It's a fact that Joseph Smith wanted his brother Hyrum to be the President

of the Church but the people wanted Joseph.

In the Book of Mormon, Mosiah was the Lord's Anointed and Alma was the

President of the Church.

8 Now king Mosiah had given Alma the authority over the church.

(Mosiah 26:8)

1 AND now it came to pass that the persecutions which were inflicted on the

church by the unbelievers became so great that the church began to murmur,

and complain to their leaders concerning the matter; and they did complain

to Alma. And Alma laid the case before their king, Mosiah. And Mosiah

consulted with his priests.

(Mosiah 27:1)

''An assumption frequently made is that the authors of the prophetic books

of the Old Testament were the constituted authorities of the Church in their

eras. This, however, was not always the case. Some of them were even

considered rebels by the religious leaders of Israel in their days. Jeremiah

was one such prophet who stood outside of the Church. The established

Church, through its Priests, even attempted to put Jeremiah to death. Micah,

Amos, Hosea, and Zephaniah were also prophets who were critical of

corruption within the Church.

"These Old Testament prophets did not speak as representing the Church, but

as representing the Lord. Though the prophets may have held the higher

Priesthood authority, there is no Biblical indication that the general

Church membership of that time was aware of it." Thus Saith the Lord; Duane

S. Crowther, p. 148.

8 Now it came to pass, when Jeremiah had made an end of speaking all that

the LORD had commanded him to speak unto all the people, that the priests

and the prophets and all the people took him, saying, Thou shalt surely die.

9 Why hast thou prophesied in the name of the LORD, saying, This house shall

be like Shiloh, and this city shall be desolate without an inhabitant? And

all the people were gathered against Jeremiah in the house of the LORD.

10 When the princes of Judah heard these things, then they came up from the

king's house unto the house of the LORD, and sat down in the entry of the

new gate of the LORD's house.

11 Then spake the priests and the prophets unto the princes and to all the

people, saying, This man is worthy to die; for he hath prophesied against

this city, as ye have heard with your ears.

(Old Testament | Jeremiah 26:8 - 11)

4 Her prophets are light and treacherous persons: her priests have polluted

the sanctuary, they have done violence to the law.

(Old Testament | Zephaniah 3:4)

11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for

hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the

LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.

(Old Testament | Micah 3:11)

The scriptures clearly prophesize about an individual who the Lord would

send in the latter days, during a new dispensation of the Gospel, to gather

Zion. The whole point of the Gospel is to build up the Kingdom of God

(diagrammed on the link http://www.artbulla.com/images/kingdom.gif) on

earth. That was the whole goal of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and the early

Mormons.(Unfortunately, they gave up polygamy because of persecution from

the US government, received the last "Thus saith the Lord" revelation in

1889 written by President Wilford Woodruff right before the Manifesto of

1890, and assimilated themself with the rest of the Gentile United States.)

They no longer believe in the literal gathering of Zion or the political

Kingdom of God safe in their belief that attending Church on Sundays is all

that is necessary.

The Kingdom of God is a real literal government and is spiritualized away by

Christians as some place in space or a figurative reference. The Lord's

prayer says,"Our Father in Heaven, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on

earth as it is in heaven...". Jesus said in 3 Nephi 13:33, "But seek ye

first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things shall

be added unto you." Jesus was trying to gather the Jews but they rebelled

against him and hung Him on a cross between two common thieves. And where is

the Kingdom of God ? It is where there is a legal administrator receiving

direct revelation from God.

"Whenever men can find out the will of God and find an administrator legally

authorized from God, there is the kingdom of God; but where these are not,

the kingdom of God is not. All the ordinances, systems, and administrations

on the earth are of no use to the children of men, unless they are ordained

and authorized of God; for nothing will save a man but a legal

administrator; for none others will be acknowledged either by God or

angels."

(Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, selected and arranged

by Joseph Fielding Smith, p.274)

Ogden Kraut's "The Gathering of Israel":

The doctrine of the gathering of the people of God, including Israel, is one

so clearly predicted by the inspired writers, that it seems almost

superfluous to refer to the numerous passages relating to it. (Orson Pratt's

Works, p. 9)

Every true prophet has advocated this principle; and usually the only people

who were saved from various calamities were those who gathered out from the

rest of the world. It is an evidence of inspired leaders, i.e.:

Enoch gathered a few faithful to his city so they could be

righteous enough to be saved and translated.

Noah could only gather a few faithful from his own family, but

they were saved from the flood.

Abraham gathered a few righteous souls out of Sodom and

Gomorrah.

Lehi had to gather his family away from the wicked to save them

from destruction in Jerusalem.

Moses sought to gather Israel to save them; when they were

scattered, they were cursed.

Jesus sought to gather Israel again, but they disobeyed His

command.

The Prophet Joseph Smith gathered Saints to Ohio, Missouri, and

Illinois.

Brigham Young gathered the Saints to the Salt Lake Valley.

The Prophet Joseph explained how gathering is for the salvation of Israel in

all ages.

All that the prophets that have written, from the days of righteous Abel,

down to the last man that has left any testimony on record for our

consideration, in speaking of the salvation of Israel in the last days, goes

directly to show that it consists in the work of the gathering. (TPJS, p.

83)

God has called His people to gather out of the wickedness and corruptions of

Babylon, just as He would call a righteous soul from out of a den of

thieves, a saloon, or a diseased area. God seeks to have His people gather

to one place and form a community and society of their own. It was a

doctrine taught by Jesus and His disciples at Jerusalem. He declared:

He that is not with me, is against me; and he that gathereth not with me,

scattereth abroad.

(Luke 2:24)

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all

countries, and will bring you into your own land.

(Ezekiel 36:24)

The spirit and power of gathering filled the souls of all the prophets of

God. It seems that those prophets who were the most spiritual felt that

power the most.

The Importance of Gathering in This Dispensation

One of the basic tenets of the restored Gospel was to be gathered together.

It was even specifically mentioned in the Articles of Faith:

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the

Ten Tribes; that Zion will be built upon this the America continent. . . .

(Article 10)

[100] But to have a gathering, there must first have been a scattering-which

condition does not come from God:

You have heard brother Brigham preach it here time and time again, and other

men, that a scattering spirit was not the spirit of God; and I know it is

not. (Heber C. Kimball, JD 4:362)

(end)

Before discussing the prophesized Prophet who will gather Israel, it is

necessary first to discuss some historical information. After King Solomon

died, Israel was divided into the nations, the Northern Kingdom and the

Southern Kingdom. The Northern Kingdom was comprised of Ephraim and eight

other tribes and the Southern was made up of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi.

However, Ephraim, the Northern Kingdom was invaded by Assyria around 750 BC

and taken captive, scattered through Europe, completely losing their

identity. Judah, the Southern Kingdom experienced the same situation when

they were attacked by Babylon around 600 BC and taken into bondage in

Babylon for 70 years. Unlike their brethren Ephraim a few thousand Jews

(short for Judah) returned and restored their nation. Jesus was sent to the

Jews as their Messiah and is the Only Begotten. However, the Lord did not

forget Ephraim, regathering them on the New World of North America and

establishing the United States of America. The prominent role of Judah and

Ephraim is clearly delineated in the scriptures.

1 NOW the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he [was] the

firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was

given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to

be reckoned after the birthright.

2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him [came] the chief ruler;

but the birthright [was] Joseph's:)

(1 Chronichles 5:1-2)

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of

Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his

fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and

make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

(Ezekiel 37:19)

13 The envy of Ephraim also shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah

shall be cut off; Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex

Ephraim.

(2 Nephi 21:13)

34 Behold, this is the blessing of the everlasting God upon the tribes of

Israel, and the richer blessing upon the head of Ephraim and his fellows.

(D&C 133:34)

The Gospel was restored on the United States through Mormonism when the

Melchizedek Priesthood was restored in May 1829 through Joseph Smith.

Unfortunately, Zion wasn't redeemed in his time or Brigham Young's time.

Joseph Smith said, "the redemption of Zion has been left to other hands, and

to other times. But that its redemption will come no one doubts who believes

in the firm decrees of God." The Mormons gave up polygamy, did away with the

Seventies (ordaining them High Priests a lower Priesthood office which is

contradictory since the superior cannot be ordained by the inferior), gave

up the literal gathering of Israel, and the stake in the heart was giving

negroes the Priesthood. Third President John Taylor gave limited authority

to Lorin Woolley to seal plural marriages but to not hold any meetings until

the One Mighty and Strong was to arrive. And who is the One Mighty and

Strong ? He is Prophet prophesized by Joseph Smith to come in the last days:

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and

strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a

covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels

shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to

arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the

names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the

law of God;

(D&C 85:7)

Isaiah saw a vision of the last days when the One Mighty and Strong would

arrive :

1 WOE to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious

beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them

that are overcome with wine!

2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail

and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast

down to the earth with the hand (referring to the keys of the Priesthood).

3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:

4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be

a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he

that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.

5 In that day shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a

diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

(Old Testament | Isaiah 28:1 - 5)

(The Lord revealed to Art that he was the One Mighty and Strong in 1980 in

Greensboro, NC and at the time had been receiving revelations for a year. He

had prayed to find out his calling from God. He knew by earliler revelation

that he was an Apostle and that he held the keys and he wanted to know what

title he held. So around May, 1983 it was snow from winter time all the way

till May. Art remembered thinking that it was very late for it to snow.

Around May the temperature spiked up and it became hot all at once turning

from winter to summer all in one day and all the snow pack melted at once

and flooded the valley. It was a river down State St. in SLC in fulfillment

of Isiaiah 28 the advent of the One Mighty and Strong. It happened the very

day that Art had published the first type written revelations Revelations of

Jesus Christ and hand carried them to those who wanted it including Sam

Weller's Zion's Book Store, the Church Historical Department and Jim

Wardel's Barber Shop purchased the revelations as well.

Brigham Young was revealed that the One Mighty and Strong would come in a

day of apostasy:

"Brethren, this Church will be led onto the very brink of hell by the

leaders of this people, then God will raise up the one `Mighty and Strong'

(spoken of in the 85th Section of the Doctrine & Covenants) to save and

redeem this Church." Brigham Young (Attested to by Joshua Jones who made a

minute of it at that time and now has it in his diary.)

This is confirmed in Journal of Joseph W. Musser: September 28, 1938. ...

Brother Peay also told of hearing Joshua Jones of Provo tell of hearing

Brigham Young say, "The time will come when this people are led onto the

very brink of apostacy." Jones made an entry of it in his Journal. The

speech was made in the Old Bowery at Provo. Learned through Lorin C.

Woolley, that his father, John W. Woolley, attended the above meeting, and

upon arriving home at Centerville he told Lorin and his mother of the

incident. He related it thusly: "President Young, being filled with the Holy

Ghost, said, `The time will come when this people will be led onto the very

brink of hell by their leaders, then the one mighty and strong will come to

set the house of God in order.'"

The Lord has revealed to Art that the One Mighty and Strong is the same

individual as the Root of Jesse:

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down

with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and

a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down

together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned

child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth

shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

(verses 6-9 refer to the Millineum when Jesus returns in power and glory and

the trumpet of angels and there will be absolute peace)

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an

ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be

glorious.

(Old Testament | Isaiah 11:10)

5 What is the root of Jesse spoken of in the 10th verse of the 11th

chapter?

6 Behold, thus saith the Lord, it is a descendant of Jesse, as well as of

Joseph, unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood, and the keys of the

kingdom, for an ensign, and for the gathering of my people in the last days.

(D&C 113:5-6)

Also:

15 Behold, I say unto you, the redemption of Zion must needs come by power;

16 Therefore, I will raise up unto my people a man, who shall lead them like

as Moses led the children of Israel.

17 For ye are the children of Israel, and of the seed of Abraham, and ye

must needs be led out of bondage by power, and with a stretched-out arm.

18 And as your fathers were led at the first, even so shall the redemption

of Zion be.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 103:15 - 18)

The Lord has sent another Messiah, this time to Ephraim ! There is only one

Only Begotten Son who is Jesus Christ. Messiah means "Lord's Anointed". The

One Mighty and Strong is none other than Messiah to Ephraim. John the

Baptist ordained Joseph Smith and Olivery Cowdery the Aaronic Priesthood

(precursor to the restorel of the Melchizedek Priesthood) on May 15, 1829

near Harmony, Pennsylvania.

1 UPON you my fellow servants, in the name of Messiah I confer the

Priesthood of Aaron, which holds the keys of the ministering of angels, and

of the gospel of repentance, and of baptism by immersion for the remission

of sins; and this shall never be taken again from the earth, until the sons

of Levi do offer again an offering unto the Lord in righteousness.

(D&C 13:1)

Notice that John the Baptist said, "in the name of Messiah" not "the

Messiah". If Jesus was the only Messiah, he undoubtedly would have said "the

Messiah". I've noticed there are other scriptural passages where the same

unmistakable wording is used:

19 And it came to pass that the Jews did mock him because of the things

which he testified of them; for he truly testified of their wickedness and

their abominations; and he testified that the things which he saw and heard,

and also the things which he read in the book, manifested plainly of the

coming of a Messiah, and also the redemption of the world.

(1 Nephi 1:19)

4 Yea, even six hundred years from the time that my father left Jerusalem, a

prophet would the Lord God raise up among the Jews--even a Messiah, or, in

other words, a Savior of the world.

(1 Nephi 10:4)

Again, I testify that the Holy Spirit which continually strives with me that

Art is the One Mighty and Strong, the Messiah to the Gentiles (non Jews).

Again I repeat:

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an

ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be

glorious.

(Old Testament | Isaiah 11:10)

17 And those who receive even my servants in the flesh receive me, saith the

Lord, for he is that One prophesied that he should come unto thee, O Israel,

and all power is his in me, for are we not sons of God, saith the Lord?

18 And these things are to them who are full of humility and the devil

taketh advantage of the humble that they, even they are they not afraid of

being humble before me because of the trickery of the devil?

19 But ye must judge, saith the Lord, and by what judgment ye judge, that

shall ye receive.

20 Even so, I am Jesus of Nazereth who was slain for the sins of the world

and came unto mine own and mine own received me not.

(Revelations of Jesus Christ 25:16 - 20)

Account of a Miracle

I'd like to also share with you a miracle that happened one night when I

pulled into the parking lot of a Starbucks Coffee Shop close to where I

live. I made the mistake of driving too far into the parking space and

driving my car over the concrete block so that these two metal poles

sticking out from the top of the block caught my car somewhere underneath my

car. I tried to reverse my car and stepping on the gas but it remained

stuck. I then put the car in neutral and tried pushing the car from the

front but it wouldn't budge. I tried both thing again but with no success.

So I was left with the option of walking back home and walking back with a

jack or asking help from a friendly passerby. I decided to give prayer a

shot. I prayed according to section 67 of Revelations of Jesus Christ:

1 Thus saith the Father, from henceforth and forever I give unto you a New

Covenant, and a new name, that by it ye shall gain communion with the

general assembly and Church of the Firstborn and the fullness of the Father,

which is exaltation in my presence; Sons of God, not begotten by man, nor

the will of man, without father, mother, beginning of days nor end of years,

abiding a Priest forever after the Order of Melchizedec.

2 And by it, saith the Father, even this new name, that of Art Bulla, who is

that One Mighty and Strong, ye shall command and the angels shall respond to

thy defense, the heavens shall shut themselves that it shall not rain, the

earth shall move in thy defense, the mighty waters shall be dried up that ye

walk over, the sick shall be healed instantly, saith the Father, and this

because ye use the name of my well-beloved, my second born among all my

children, even my servant who is that One who should come unto thee as

anciently, O Zion."

After having prayed in the name of the One Mighty and Strong, Art Bulla that

my car would be freed from its attachment, I put the car in neutral and

pushed the car from the front. What do you know, the car started to roll

back a bit as the concrete block rising off the ground. With every push, the

car would react in that manner. The whole time I was thinking to myself how

incredible and marvelous the whole experience was. I could not push it hard

enough for it to be freed though so finally, I stepped behind the wheel of

my car, put my car in reverse, stepped on the gas and in a few moments the

car pulled itself free.

I hope you will pray about these things to receive a testimony for yourself

like I have. James 1:5 says, "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God,

that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given

him."

--

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Listen to Zion Redemption Radio hosted by Art Bulla and Aaron Kim on Sunday

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revelations of Jesus Christ, authority, Priesthood, Kingdom of God, doctrine

discussed pertaining to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh. During non

broadcast hours you can also listen to archived shows.

My Testimony of a Living Prophet:

http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron's%20Page.html

26 Even so, come unto me and learn of my ways, and I will give unto you,

even as many as shall come, that peace which surpasseth understanding, and

if ye shall inquire of me concerning these things, will I the Lord manifest

by the influence and power of the Holy Ghost that these things are verily

true and are of me, saith the Lord.

Revelations of Jesus Christ sec. 6:26

The Kingdom of God or Nothing

Aaron Kim

In article <5pnlt5Fs3ki5U1@mid.individual.net>, Aaron Kim

<aaron@artbulla.com> wrote:

> But first, how I discovered Art.

Sodomy alert!

-chib

--

Member of S.M.A.S.H.

Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:30:45 -0800, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

wrote:

>http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron'20Page.html

>

>My Testimony

I <snipped> your whole testimony and corrupted the link. You are a

heretic, and such a long pile of tripe is not worth reading.

Instead I will insert MY OWN TESTIMONY regarding the bom, joseph

smith, and his other writings. . .

In December of 1973 I became a Christian, receiving Jesus Christ as my

Lord and Savior. I was baptized a few years later by someone

authorized by scripture to do so. I have lived every day of my life

since receiving Jesus into my life for Him, to please Him.

When my wife and I became Christians we were the only ones in my

neighborhood except for the family next door who were not mormon.

Same thing in the area of the semiconductor plant where I worked as an

engineering technician. My friends told me "It is a good thing you

have come this far, why don't you go all the way and become a mormon?"

They gave me a bom and suggested I read it, pray over it and see if

the Holy Spirit would confirm to me that it was from God and that

joseph smith was a prophet.

Since it was (and remains) my heart's desire to serve God in ANY way

He desires, and since I had no ties to any particular Christian group

other than the Christian school where my oldest son attended

kindergarden, I did as they suggested.

I read the bom from cover to cover, prayed to God to see if it was

true, and got the following reply. . .

The Holy Ghost led me to scriptures in the Bible that CONTRADICTED

things in the bom, and CONTRADICTED claims by joseph smith. He

reminded me that "wisdom" is not the same thing as "knowledge" and

that James 1:5 said to pray for WISDOM to do the right thing with the

KNOWLEDGE we already have of what is of God and what is evil.

I the read the d&c and pgp which smith wrote and prayed over them as

well, just in case. Remember, I was a very YOUNG Christian back then.

The answer the Holy Ghost gave me was the same thing. MORE

contradiction betwen smith's writings and smith's writings, and MORE

contradiction between smith's writings and the Bible. . .a RESOUNDING

"NO, THESE ARE __NOT__ FROM GOD AND SMITH IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD AND

__NOT__ A PROPHET FROM GOD."

Later I read the original versions of the bom and the "Book of

commandments" that evolved into the "d&c." I saw how the

"revelations" were "modified" to hide even MORE contradictions between

smith and smith, and between smith and the Bible in the ORIGINAL UNCUT

VERSIONS of his writings, before utah "modified" them.

So kimmy, your "testimony" means nothing in reality. Mine is from God

and contradicts yours.

YOUR god may contradict Himself, but the God of the BIBLE (MY GOD)

does not.

in the Name of Jesus,

Checker

<checker@flapper.net> wrote in message

news:hdafj3dpbtkp87ho34mmnmckbnveurbh66@4ax.com...

: I was baptized a few years later by someone

: authorized by scripture to do so.

Since I have no actual experience of other Christian churches I wonder if

you could elaborate on the above from your post.

What does "authorized by scripture" mean?

Andrew R.

<checker@flapper.net> wrote in message

news:hdafj3dpbtkp87ho34mmnmckbnveurbh66@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:30:45 -0800, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

> wrote:

>

>>http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron'20Page.html

>>

>>My Testimony

>

> I <snipped> your whole testimony and corrupted the link. You are a

> heretic, and such a long pile of tripe is not worth reading.

>

> Instead I will insert MY OWN TESTIMONY regarding the bom, joseph

> smith, and his other writings. . .

Persistence of Wicked Men

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Five 1842-43 Pg.259

The enemies of this people will never get weary of their

persecution...until they are overcome. I expect they will array everything

against me that is in their power to control, and that we shall have a long

and tremendous warfare. He that will war the true Christian warfare against

the corruptions of these last days will have wicked men and angels of

devils, and all the infernal powers of darkness continually arrayed against

him. When wicked and corrupt men oppose, it is a criterion to judge if a

man is warring the Christian warfare. When all men speak evil of you

falsely, blessed are ye. Shall a man be considered bad, when men speak evil

of him? No. If a man stands and opposes the world of sin, he may expect to

have all wicked and corrupt spirits arrayed against him. But it will be but

a little season, and all these afflictions will be turned away from us,

inasmuch as we are faithful, and are not overcome by these evils. By seeing

the blessings of the endowment rolling on, and the kingdom increasing and

spreading from sea to sea, we shall rejoice that we were not overcome by

these foolish things.

33 How long can rolling waters remain impure? What power shall stay the

heavens? As well might man stretch forth his puny arm to stop the Missouri

river in its decreed course, or to turn it up stream, as to hinder the

Almighty from pouring down knowledge from heaven upon the heads of the

Latter-day Saints.

34 Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not

chosen?

35 Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and

aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson-

36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the

powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor

handled only upon the principles of righteousness.

37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to

cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise

control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in

any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the

Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the

priesthood or the authority of that man.

38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the

pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God.

39 We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition

of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose,

they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 121:33 - 39)

On 11 Nov, 06:30, "Aaron Kim" <aa...@artbulla.com> wrote:

> http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron's%20Page.html

>

> My Testimony

>

Is worthless.

If Art Bulla is a prophet, post some valid prophecy. Until then, not

interested.

By valid, I mean it must be specific about the time, date, place,

people involved, and the exact events. It must be verifiable that the

event occured as predicted. It must be impossible to predict by

mundane means. It must not be possible to make the event occur by

human intervention. It must take place in the future, far enough that

it is not presently obvious but not so far there's no way of ever

verifying it. Prophecy of things that have already occured will not

do.

Post it here, in these public fora, before many witnesses, date

stamped and archived by Google. If you can get just one valid prophecy

under these terms I'll read everything you've got. If you can't, shut

the hell up about Art Bulla.

Are you up for the challenge?

Andy

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:34:24 -0800, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

wrote:

>

>

><checker@flapper.net> wrote in message

>news:hdafj3dpbtkp87ho34mmnmckbnveurbh66@4ax.com...

>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:30:45 -0800, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron'20Page.html

>>>

>>>My Testimony

>>

>> I <snipped> your whole testimony and corrupted the link. You are a

>> heretic, and such a long pile of tripe is not worth reading.

>>

>> Instead I will insert MY OWN TESTIMONY regarding the bom, joseph

>> smith, and his other writings. . .

>

>

I <snipped> smith's fiction

You have no honest rebuttal for the fact that my testimony of the Holy

Spirit being the opposite of your testimony of your holy spirit, do

you?

Why do you suppose that is? Does your god contradict himself?

Mine does not.

in the Name of Jesus,

Checker

In article <h6fjj3d37r7dgqlsd4dd7eg9evg2tedqul@4ax.com>,

checker@flapper.net wrote:

> I <snipped> smith's fiction

>

> You have no honest rebuttal for the fact that my testimony of the Holy

> Spirit being the opposite of your testimony of your holy spirit, do

> you?

>

> Why do you suppose that is? Does your god contradict himself?

>

> Mine does not.

>

> in the Name of Jesus,

> Checker

But Hey, Smartguy, Just exactly WHAT makes your Testimony any more valid,

than anyone elses Testimony, to anyone else? Testimonies are only VALID,

for the THAT Individual. Others may agree, or not, with another

individuals Personal Testimony, on any particular subject, but that

doesn't mean any ones Personal Testimony, on any subject, is TRUTH,

or valid, for anyone else....... If you think otherwise, you need to

get over yourself......

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:52:12 GMT, You <You@shadow.orgs> wrote:

>In article <h6fjj3d37r7dgqlsd4dd7eg9evg2tedqul@4ax.com>,

> checker@flapper.net wrote:

>

>> I <snipped> smith's fiction

>>

>> You have no honest rebuttal for the fact that my testimony of the Holy

>> Spirit being the opposite of your testimony of your holy spirit, do

>> you?

>>

>> Why do you suppose that is? Does your god contradict himself?

>>

>> Mine does not.

>>

>> in the Name of Jesus,

>> Checker

>

>But Hey, Smartguy, Just exactly WHAT makes your Testimony any more valid,

>than anyone elses Testimony, to anyone else? Testimonies are only VALID,

>for the THAT Individual. Others may agree, or not, with another

>individuals Personal Testimony, on any particular subject, but that

>doesn't mean any ones Personal Testimony, on any subject, is TRUTH,

>or valid, for anyone else....... If you think otherwise, you need to

>get over yourself......

The POINT is that smith's "test" doesn't work. It gave ME one answer,

and kim the opposite answer. . .ergo, the TEST IS NOT A VALID TEST.

That is on the ASSUMPTION OF TRUTH IN THE MOTIVES OF BOTH SIDES, of

course.

I would ASSUME that kimmy would not devote his life to something he

does not believe.

Likewise

I myself would not devote my own life to anything I do not believe,

So I think the ASSUMPTION is a FAIR ASSUMPTION.

So since we BOTH prayed to God with the SAME motives, the SAME reason

for doing so, looking for the SAME answer, a "test" that is supposedly

valid according to the writing of joseph smith, SMITH'S TEST DOES NOT

WORK. . .OR. . .HIS god contradicts himself.

in the Name of Jesus,

Checker

in the Name of Jesus,

Checker

In article <thkkj31nmsbjbe3cp7ps2u8u7q7javo6jb@4ax.com>,

checker@flapper.net wrote:

> The POINT is that smith's "test" doesn't work. It gave ME one answer,

> and kim the opposite answer. . .ergo, the TEST IS NOT A VALID TEST.

>

> That is on the ASSUMPTION OF TRUTH IN THE MOTIVES OF BOTH SIDES, of

> course.

>

> I would ASSUME that kimmy would not devote his life to something he

> does not believe.

>

> Likewise

>

> I myself would not devote my own life to anything I do not believe,

>

> So I think the ASSUMPTION is a FAIR ASSUMPTION.

>

> So since we BOTH prayed to God with the SAME motives, the SAME reason

> for doing so, looking for the SAME answer, a "test" that is supposedly

> valid according to the writing of joseph smith, SMITH'S TEST DOES NOT

> WORK. . .OR. . .HIS god contradicts himself.

>

> in the Name of Jesus,

> Checker

> in the Name of Jesus,

> Checker

BUT Dufus, What makes you "Right" and Kim "Wrong", and why should

any of the rest of the worlds population believe that you are "Right"

and Kim is "Wrong" on your "Say So"...... Get over yourself......

who made YOU, GODs Arbiter, on this planet.........

You both have Mutually Exclusive, what you both believe, are Answers

to the same question..... just exactly why can't your GOD deliver

Individual Answers, to HIS Individual Children....... If you believe

that your GOD is ALL Powerful, and CAN DO ANYTHING, then what exactly

keeps HIM from delivering two Mutually Exclusive Answers to the same

Question, to two different Individuals........

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:10:55 GMT, You <You@shadow.orgs> wrote:

>In article <thkkj31nmsbjbe3cp7ps2u8u7q7javo6jb@4ax.com>,

> checker@flapper.net wrote:

>

>> The POINT is that smith's "test" doesn't work. It gave ME one answer,

>> and kim the opposite answer. . .ergo, the TEST IS NOT A VALID TEST.

>>

>> That is on the ASSUMPTION OF TRUTH IN THE MOTIVES OF BOTH SIDES, of

>> course.

>>

>> I would ASSUME that kimmy would not devote his life to something he

>> does not believe.

>>

>> Likewise

>>

>> I myself would not devote my own life to anything I do not believe,

>>

>> So I think the ASSUMPTION is a FAIR ASSUMPTION.

>>

>> So since we BOTH prayed to God with the SAME motives, the SAME reason

>> for doing so, looking for the SAME answer, a "test" that is supposedly

>> valid according to the writing of joseph smith, SMITH'S TEST DOES NOT

>> WORK. . .OR. . .HIS god contradicts himself.

>>

>> in the Name of Jesus,

>> Checker

>> in the Name of Jesus,

>> Checker

>

>BUT Dufus, What makes you "Right" and Kim "Wrong", and why should

>any of the rest of the worlds population believe that you are "Right"

>and Kim is "Wrong" on your "Say So"...... Get over yourself......

kim follows a leader whose entire credibility rides on the bogus test.

THAT makes kimmy wrong; his leader is wrong.

And when I say his test is wrong and point out the EVIDENCE it is

wrong, I am right, his test IS wrong.

>

>who made YOU, GODs Arbiter, on this planet.........

I never claimed to be God's arbiter. I merely do as Jesus and Paul

did; I point out false doctrines of those groups or individuals who

claim to be teaching doctrines from God.

>

>You both have Mutually Exclusive, what you both believe, are Answers

>to the same question..... just exactly why can't your GOD deliver

>Individual Answers, to HIS Individual Children.......

He can and does deliver individual answers to HIS individual children.

Unfortunately however for kimmy and bullo, the God of the BIBLE (not

smith's made-up god) never lies or contradicts Himself. Therefore

when bullo or kimmy claim their god said something that contradicts

the BIBLE (which they both admit came from God, btw), that makes THEIR

false god less credible. When THEIR false god gives them a "test" to

see if THEIR false god is real or not and it FAILS half the time, that

shows that both their "test" and their god are not credible.

>If you believe

>that your GOD is ALL Powerful, and CAN DO ANYTHING, then what exactly

>keeps HIM from delivering two Mutually Exclusive Answers to the same

>Question, to two different Individuals........

Truth is Truth. God is indeed all powerful, but He CANNOT lie, and

CANNOT contradict Himself (which WOULD BE a form of lying)

In the Name of Jesus,

Checker

In article <j7qoj3luc5pa302qh94ho7ec7ott81mhgc@4ax.com>,

checker@flapper.net wrote:

> kim follows a leader whose entire credibility rides on the bogus test.

> THAT makes kimmy wrong; his leader is wrong.

>

> And when I say his test is wrong and point out the EVIDENCE it is

> wrong, I am right, his test IS wrong.

So you say, now tell us all why we sould believe you, over any other

person speaking about things they can not Prove........ with Testable

Facts. You can not Prove, with Testable Facts, that Paul, or even

Jesus Christ, lived.... all you give us is "The Bible"... now just

which version of "The Bible," are you trying to use, as your source

document? Just how much of this source document, was changed by

"The Council of Nicea"? Your whole argument with KIm and Bulla

depends on your "Interpretation" of a source document that has

been rewritten numerious times over the last 2000 years, how

can you PROVE, that your source document is exactly the same as

the originally written, by the supposed Author, who's name appears

in the Title.....

<checker@flapper.net> wrote in message

news:h6fjj3d37r7dgqlsd4dd7eg9evg2tedqul@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:34:24 -0800, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>><checker@flapper.net> wrote in message

>>news:hdafj3dpbtkp87ho34mmnmckbnveurbh66@4ax.com...

>>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:30:45 -0800, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>>>http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron'20Page.html

>>>>

>>>>My Testimony

>>>

>>> I <snipped> your whole testimony and corrupted the link. You are a

>>> heretic, and such a long pile of tripe is not worth reading.

>>>

>>> Instead I will insert MY OWN TESTIMONY regarding the bom, joseph

>>> smith, and his other writings. . .

>>

>>

> I <snipped> smith's fiction

>

> You have no honest rebuttal for the fact that my testimony of the Holy

> Spirit being the opposite of your testimony of your holy spirit, do

> you?

You are a liar.

32 Wo unto the blind that will not see; for they shall perish also.

33 Wo unto the uncircumcised of heart, for a knowledge of their iniquities

shall smite them at the last day.

(2 Ne 9:32-33)

" for there are so many fools in the world for the devil to operate upon, it

gives him the advantage oftentimes. "

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith (J. Smith), Section Six 1843-1844,

Saints Have Not Much Time

> Why do you suppose that is? Does your god contradict himself?

>

> Mine does not.

>

> in the Name of Jesus,

> Checker

<checker@flapper.net> wrote in message

news:thkkj31nmsbjbe3cp7ps2u8u7q7javo6jb@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:52:12 GMT, You <You@shadow.orgs> wrote:

>

>>In article <h6fjj3d37r7dgqlsd4dd7eg9evg2tedqul@4ax.com>,

>> checker@flapper.net wrote:

>>

>>> I <snipped> smith's fiction

>>>

>>> You have no honest rebuttal for the fact that my testimony of the Holy

>>> Spirit being the opposite of your testimony of your holy spirit, do

>>> you?

>>>

>>> Why do you suppose that is? Does your god contradict himself?

>>>

>>> Mine does not.

>>>

>>> in the Name of Jesus,

>>> Checker

>>

>>But Hey, Smartguy, Just exactly WHAT makes your Testimony any more valid,

>>than anyone elses Testimony, to anyone else? Testimonies are only VALID,

>>for the THAT Individual. Others may agree, or not, with another

>>individuals Personal Testimony, on any particular subject, but that

>>doesn't mean any ones Personal Testimony, on any subject, is TRUTH,

>>or valid, for anyone else....... If you think otherwise, you need to

>>get over yourself......

>

>

> The POINT is that smith's "test" doesn't work. It gave ME one answer,

> and kim the opposite answer. . .ergo, the TEST IS NOT A VALID TEST.

>

> That is on the ASSUMPTION OF TRUTH IN THE MOTIVES OF BOTH SIDES, of

> course.

>

> I would ASSUME that kimmy would not devote his life to something he

> does not believe.

>

> Likewise

>

> I myself would not devote my own life to anything I do not believe,

>

> So I think the ASSUMPTION is a FAIR ASSUMPTION.

>

> So since we BOTH prayed to God with the SAME motives, the SAME reason

> for doing so, looking for the SAME answer, a "test" that is supposedly

> valid according to the writing of joseph smith, SMITH'S TEST DOES NOT

> WORK. . .OR. . .HIS god contradicts himself.

May 16, 1841. There are three independent principles; the Spirit of God,

the spirit of man, and the spirit of the devil. All men have power to resist

the devil.

(You are deceived because you like darkness more than light. )

And we shall at last have to come to this conclusion, whatever we may think

of revelation, that without it we can neither know nor understand anything

of God, or the devil; and however unwilling the world may be to acknowledge

this principle, it is evident from the multifarious creeds and notions

concerning this matter that they understand nothing of this principle, and

it is equally as plain that without a divine communication they must remain

in ignorance. The world always mistook false prophets for true ones, and

those that were sent of God, they considered to be false prophets, and hence

they killed, stoned, punished and imprisoned the true prophets, and these

had to hide themselves "in deserts and dens, and caves of the earth," and

though the most honorable men of the earth, they banished them from their

society as vagabonds, whilst they cherished, honored and supported knaves,

vagabonds, hypocrites, impostors, and the basest of men.

(Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, selected and

arranged by Joseph Fielding Smith, p.189,205)

> in the Name of Jesus,

> Checker

> in the Name of Jesus,

> Checker

<checker@flapper.net> wrote in message

news:hdafj3dpbtkp87ho34mmnmckbnveurbh66@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:30:45 -0800, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

> wrote:

>

>>http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron'20Page.html

>>

>>My Testimony

>

> I <snipped> your whole testimony and corrupted the link. You are a

> heretic, and such a long pile of tripe is not worth reading.

>

> Instead I will insert MY OWN TESTIMONY regarding the bom, joseph

> smith, and his other writings. . .

>

> In December of 1973 I became a Christian, receiving Jesus Christ as my

> Lord and Savior. I was baptized a few years later by someone

> authorized by scripture to do so. I have lived every day of my life

> since receiving Jesus into my life for Him, to please Him.

>

> When my wife and I became Christians we were the only ones in my

> neighborhood except for the family next door who were not mormon.

> Same thing in the area of the semiconductor plant where I worked as an

> engineering technician. My friends told me "It is a good thing you

> have come this far, why don't you go all the way and become a mormon?"

> They gave me a bom and suggested I read it, pray over it and see if

> the Holy Spirit would confirm to me that it was from God and that

> joseph smith was a prophet.

>

> Since it was (and remains) my heart's desire to serve God in ANY way

> He desires, and since I had no ties to any particular Christian group

> other than the Christian school where my oldest son attended

> kindergarden, I did as they suggested.

>

> I read the bom from cover to cover, prayed to God to see if it was

> true, and got the following reply. . .

>

> The Holy Ghost led me to scriptures in the Bible that CONTRADICTED

> things in the bom, and CONTRADICTED claims by joseph smith. He

> reminded me that "wisdom" is not the same thing as "knowledge" and

> that James 1:5 said to pray for WISDOM to do the right thing with the

> KNOWLEDGE we already have of what is of God and what is evil.

You are a devil. The following aptly fits you:

13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves

into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as

the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

(2 Cor 11:13-15)

I will let God judge between you and me.

> I the read the d&c and pgp which smith wrote and prayed over them as

> well, just in case. Remember, I was a very YOUNG Christian back then.

> The answer the Holy Ghost gave me was the same thing. MORE

> contradiction betwen smith's writings and smith's writings, and MORE

> contradiction between smith's writings and the Bible. . .a RESOUNDING

> "NO, THESE ARE __NOT__ FROM GOD AND SMITH IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD AND

> __NOT__ A PROPHET FROM GOD."

>

> Later I read the original versions of the bom and the "Book of

> commandments" that evolved into the "d&c." I saw how the

> "revelations" were "modified" to hide even MORE contradictions between

> smith and smith, and between smith and the Bible in the ORIGINAL UNCUT

> VERSIONS of his writings, before utah "modified" them.

>

> So kimmy, your "testimony" means nothing in reality. Mine is from God

> and contradicts yours.

>

> YOUR god may contradict Himself, but the God of the BIBLE (MY GOD)

> does not.

>

> in the Name of Jesus,

> Checker

>

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:07:22 -0800, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

wrote:

>

><checker@flapper.net> wrote in message

>news:hdafj3dpbtkp87ho34mmnmckbnveurbh66@4ax.com...

>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:30:45 -0800, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron'20Page.html

>>>

>>>My Testimony

>>

>> I <snipped> your whole testimony and corrupted the link. You are a

>> heretic, and such a long pile of tripe is not worth reading.

>>

>> Instead I will insert MY OWN TESTIMONY regarding the bom, joseph

>> smith, and his other writings. . .

>>

>> In December of 1973 I became a Christian, receiving Jesus Christ as my

>> Lord and Savior. I was baptized a few years later by someone

>> authorized by scripture to do so. I have lived every day of my life

>> since receiving Jesus into my life for Him, to please Him.

>>

>> When my wife and I became Christians we were the only ones in my

>> neighborhood except for the family next door who were not mormon.

>> Same thing in the area of the semiconductor plant where I worked as an

>> engineering technician. My friends told me "It is a good thing you

>> have come this far, why don't you go all the way and become a mormon?"

>> They gave me a bom and suggested I read it, pray over it and see if

>> the Holy Spirit would confirm to me that it was from God and that

>> joseph smith was a prophet.

>>

>> Since it was (and remains) my heart's desire to serve God in ANY way

>> He desires, and since I had no ties to any particular Christian group

>> other than the Christian school where my oldest son attended

>> kindergarden, I did as they suggested.

>>

>> I read the bom from cover to cover, prayed to God to see if it was

>> true, and got the following reply. . .

>>

>> The Holy Ghost led me to scriptures in the Bible that CONTRADICTED

>> things in the bom, and CONTRADICTED claims by joseph smith. He

>> reminded me that "wisdom" is not the same thing as "knowledge" and

>> that James 1:5 said to pray for WISDOM to do the right thing with the

>> KNOWLEDGE we already have of what is of God and what is evil.

>

>You are a devil. The following aptly fits you:

You are welcome to your erroneous opinions. You seem to have many of

them.

>

>13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves

>into the apostles of Christ.

>14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

>15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as

>the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

>

> (2 Cor 11:13-15)

>

>I will let God judge between you and me.

I will too. I don't claim to be an apostle or a prophet; bullo and

smith do.

>

>> I the read the d&c and pgp which smith wrote and prayed over them as

>> well, just in case. Remember, I was a very YOUNG Christian back then.

>> The answer the Holy Ghost gave me was the same thing. MORE

>> contradiction betwen smith's writings and smith's writings, and MORE

>> contradiction between smith's writings and the Bible. . .a RESOUNDING

>> "NO, THESE ARE __NOT__ FROM GOD AND SMITH IS A LIAR AND A FRAUD AND

>> __NOT__ A PROPHET FROM GOD."

>>

>> Later I read the original versions of the bom and the "Book of

>> commandments" that evolved into the "d&c." I saw how the

>> "revelations" were "modified" to hide even MORE contradictions between

>> smith and smith, and between smith and the Bible in the ORIGINAL UNCUT

>> VERSIONS of his writings, before utah "modified" them.

>>

>> So kimmy, your "testimony" means nothing in reality. Mine is from God

>> and contradicts yours.

>>

>> YOUR god may contradict Himself, but the God of the BIBLE (MY GOD)

>> does not.

>>

in the Name of Jesus,

Checker

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:49:06 -0800, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

wrote:

>

><checker@flapper.net> wrote in message

>news:h6fjj3d37r7dgqlsd4dd7eg9evg2tedqul@4ax.com...

>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:34:24 -0800, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>><checker@flapper.net> wrote in message

>>>news:hdafj3dpbtkp87ho34mmnmckbnveurbh66@4ax.com...

>>>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:30:45 -0800, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron'20Page.html

>>>>>

>>>>>My Testimony

>>>>

>>>> I <snipped> your whole testimony and corrupted the link. You are a

>>>> heretic, and such a long pile of tripe is not worth reading.

>>>>

>>>> Instead I will insert MY OWN TESTIMONY regarding the bom, joseph

>>>> smith, and his other writings. . .

>>>

>>>

>> I <snipped> smith's fiction

>>

>> You have no honest rebuttal for the fact that my testimony of the Holy

>> Spirit being the opposite of your testimony of your holy spirit, do

>> you?

>

>You are a liar.

Bearing false witness against me does not change the truth, kimmy.

You may claim whatever you want

<snipped> the smith fiction.

>> Why do you suppose that is? Does your god contradict himself?

>>

>> Mine does not.

>>

in the Name of Jesus,

Checker

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:29:40 -0700, checker@flapper.net wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:07:22 -0800, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

>wrote:

:

>>You are a devil. The following aptly fits you:

>

>You are welcome to your erroneous opinions. You seem to have many of

>them.

Kookfight!!

Two delusion retards arguing over whose genocidal fantasies are the

less real.

You can't invent this stuff it is so mind-bogglingly crazy!