Myth: The 2nd. Amendment Guarantees The Individual Right To Own A Gun.

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Myth: The Second Amendment guarantees the individual right to own a gun.

Fact: The Supreme Court has always interpreted this as a state's militia's
right, not an individual's.


Summary


Over the centuries, the Supreme Court has always ruled that the 2nd Amendment
protects the states' militia's rights to bear arms, and that this protection
does not extend to individuals. In fact, legal scholars consider the issue
"settled law." For this reason, the gun lobby does not fight for its perceived
constitutional right to keep and bear arms before the Supreme Court, but in
Congress. Interestingly, even interpreting an individual right in the 2nd
Amendment presents the gun lobby with some thorny problems, like the right to
keep and bear nuclear weapons.


Argument


The Second Amendment states:


"A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."


Pro-gun advocates claim that this amendment guarantees their individual right
to own a gun, and that gun control laws are therefore a violation of their
constitutional rights. In fact, the term "violation of our Second Amendment
rights" has become a battle cry in gun lobbyist literature, repeated everywhere
in their editorials and essays.


However, this raises a fascinating observation. If gun control laws are so
obviously a violation of the Second Amendment, then why doesn't the National
Rifle Association challenge them on constitutional grounds before the Supreme
Court? The answer is that they know they face certain defeat, for reasons we
shall explore below. Consequently, the NRA has abandoned all hope in the
courts.


Instead, the NRA has chosen to lobby Congress to prevent gun control
legislation, and has become in fact one of the most powerful lobbies on Capital
Hill. This is a supreme and exquisite irony, given the conservative and
libertarian's love of constitutions and hatred of democracy. But, at any rate,
the NRA is fighting for its perceived constitutional rights on Capital Hill, by
bribing our legislators with millions of dollars in campaign contributions.


The reason is because the Supreme Court -- this nation's final arbiter on the
interpretation of the Constitution -- has always ruled that the Second
Amendment does not extend the right to keep and bear arms to individuals, but
to the well-regulated militias mentioned in the first part of the amendment.
Specifically, these are militias that are regulated by the federal and state
governments. Article I, Section 8 authorizes Congress:


"To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the
union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; to provide for organizing,
arming and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may
be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states
respectively the appointment of officers, and the authority of training the
militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."


The Founders were passionately opposed to standing peacetime armies -- in fact,
Thomas Jefferson listed it as one of their grievances against the British Crown
in the Declaration of Independence. Intent on eliminating this evil, they
created a system whereby citizens kept their arms at home and could be called
by their state militias at a moment's notice. These militias eventually became
the states' National Guard, and the courts have always interpreted them that
way.


In 1886, the Supreme Court ruled in Presser vs. Illinois that the Second
Amendment only prevents the federal government from interfering with a state's
ability to maintain a militia, and does nothing to limit the states' ability to
regulate firearms. Which means that states can regulate, control and even ban
firearms if they so desire!


Even so, this left a question about how much the federal government can limit a
citizen's right to own a gun. In 1939, the Supreme Court addressed this issue
in United States vs. Miller. Here, the Court refused to strike down a law
prohibiting the interstate commerce of a sawed-off shotgun on the basis of the
Second Amendment. Rejecting the argument that the shotgun had "some reasonable
relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia,"
the Court held that the Second Amendment "must be interpreted and applied" only
in the context of safeguarding the continuation and effectiveness of the state
militias.


In other words, the federal government is free to regulate and even ban guns so
long as it does not interfere with the state's ability to run a militia. Since
then, both the Supreme and lesser courts have consistently interpreted the
right to bear arms as a state's right, not an individual's right. At times they
have even expressed exasperation with some gun advocates' misinterpretation of
the Second Amendment.


In United States v. Warin, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in 1976 upheld
the conviction of an illegal gun-owner who argued that his Second Amendment
rights had been violated. In pointed language, the court wrote: "It would
unduly extend this opinion to attempt to deal with every argument made by
defendant...all of which are based on the erroneous supposition that the Second
Amendment is concerned with the rights of individuals rather than those of the
states."


In 1972 Justice William O. Douglas wrote: "A powerful lobby dins into the ears
of our citizenry that these gun purchases are constitutional rights protected
by the Second Amendment....There is no reason why all pistols should not be
barred to everyone except the police."


Gun advocates have bitterly decried the "activist courts" that have supposedly
changed the plain meaning of the constitution. But over 100 years of courts
have interpreted a states'-rights meaning, and so has a broad body of
constitutional scholars. Gun advocates simply have a different "plain meaning"
of the constitution than everyone else, one that coincidentally legalizes their
desired goal of owning weapons.


The only apparent recourse for gun advocates now is to reject the system of
judicial review that has led to a perfect record of court defeats. But the
alternative is even worse: trusting Congress to pass laws that respect our
constitutional rights. On all other issues but gun ownership, the idea is
anathema to conservatives and libertarians.


But even accepting the gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment does
not spare the gun owner from gun control. The amendment simply states that the
people have a right "to keep and bear" arms. It says absolutely nothing about
regulating them for safety, design or caliber. The gun lobby argues that the
lack of of such language means that individuals are free to own any arms they
please, and government cannot use constitutional silence to infer permission to
regulate them. But this isn't true; look at the First Amendment. It simply says
that "congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech" -- yet the
government regulates countless forms of speech -- slander, malicious
falsehoods, fraud, insider trading, etc. -- and these regulations are upheld by
the Supreme Court. The same principle applies to the regulation of guns.


This point becomes especially important when considering the regulation of arms
by category. For example: do the people have a right to own nuclear weapons?
(Pro-gun advocates contemptuously call this the "nuclear straw-man argument,"
yet they have not even come close to providing a satisfactory answer to it.)
How about chemical and biological weapons? Tanks? Battleships? Bombers? In a
society where people get drunk, angry, jealous, self-destructive and mentally
ill, you certainly wouldn't want the unregulated sale of nuclear weapons on the
market. Prohibition of such arms seems like the best thing to do, but, strictly
speaking, that too would be a violation of the Second Amendment.


Some pro-gun advocates admit that a literalist interpretation allows the right
to keep and bear all arms, including nuclear weapons, and that this is surely
archaic. Certainly the Founders could not have foreseen or intended this
situation. However, pro-gun advocates claim the correct reaction of modern
America should be to amend the constitution to exclude ownership of nuclear
weapons; creatively interpreting the constitution is the wrong way.


This is a curious argument, for a couple of reasons. First, the entire
rationale of an individual right to keep and bear arms is to defend against a
tyrannical government. But to surrender an advantage as overwhelming as nuclear
weapons and smart weaponry to the government is irrational. Given the
fanaticism of the gun lobby to protect themselves from government tyranny, this
meek acquiescence towards weapons of terrible destruction is more than little
strange, and begs explanation. It suggests that, down deep, the gun lobby is
not really serious about its claim that government threatens them. (How could
they be, in a democracy with high-speed, mass communication?) What is more
likely is that they feel the need to empower themselves, and firearms are
sufficient to fulfill that need.


The argument is also strange because it concedes a point to gun control;
namely, that there are some weapons so deadly that they should not be allowed
in society. That is exactly what gun-control advocates have been arguing, and
you don't need nuclear weapons to achieve the feared results; the U.S. already
has the high murder statistics to prove it with handguns alone.


The argument is also strange because the gun lobby fervently hopes to avoid
public mobilization on a constitutional amendment limiting the right to keep
and bear arms. A huge majority of Americans favor stricter gun control laws;
and as long as they're excluding nuclear weapons they might as well throw in
assault weapons and Saturday Night Specials.


But ultimately, calling for a constitutional amendment banning the ownership of
nuclear weapons is moot. Individuals do not even have a guaranteed right to
keep and bear firearms, much less modern military weapons. To overcome the
Supreme Court on this issue, the gun lobby would have to promote fundamental
changes in our political structure that would surely be disimprovements.
 
On Jan 2, 6:48 pm, Ross John Lambourn <rossjo...@nambla.net> wrote:
> Myth: The Second Amendment guarantees the individual right to own a gun.
>
> Fact: The Supreme Court has always interpreted this as a state's militia's
> right, not an individual's.
>
> Summary
>
> Over the centuries, the Supreme Court has always ruled that the 2nd Amendment
> protects the states' militia's rights to bear arms, and that this protection
> does not extend to individuals. In fact, legal scholars consider the issue
> "settled law." For this reason, the gun lobby does not fight for its perceived
> constitutional right to keep and bear arms before the Supreme Court, but in
> Congress. Interestingly, even interpreting an individual right in the 2nd
> Amendment presents the gun lobby with some thorny problems, like the right to
> keep and bear nuclear weapons.
>
> Argument
>
> The Second Amendment states:
>
> "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
> state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
>
> Pro-gun advocates claim that this amendment guarantees their individual right
> to own a gun, and that gun control laws are therefore a violation of their
> constitutional rights. In fact, the term "violation of our Second Amendment
> rights" has become a battle cry in gun lobbyist literature, repeated everywhere
> in their editorials and essays.
>
> However, this raises a fascinating observation. If gun control laws are so
> obviously a violation of the Second Amendment, then why doesn't the National
> Rifle Association challenge them on constitutional grounds before the Supreme
> Court? The answer is that they know they face certain defeat, for reasons we
> shall explore below. Consequently, the NRA has abandoned all hope in the
> courts.
>
> Instead, the NRA has chosen to lobby Congress to prevent gun control
> legislation, and has become in fact one of the most powerful lobbies on Capital
> Hill. This is a supreme and exquisite irony, given the conservative and
> libertarian's love of constitutions and hatred of democracy. But, at any rate,
> the NRA is fighting for its perceived constitutional rights on Capital Hill, by
> bribing our legislators with millions of dollars in campaign contributions.
>
> The reason is because the Supreme Court -- this nation's final arbiter on the
> interpretation of the Constitution -- has always ruled that the Second
> Amendment does not extend the right to keep and bear arms to individuals, but
> to the well-regulated militias mentioned in the first part of the amendment.
> Specifically, these are militias that are regulated by the federal and state
> governments. Article I, Section 8 authorizes Congress:
>
> "To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the
> union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; to provide for organizing,
> arming and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may
> be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states
> respectively the appointment of officers, and the authority of training the
> militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."
>
> The Founders were passionately opposed to standing peacetime armies -- in fact,
> Thomas Jefferson listed it as one of their grievances against the British Crown
> in the Declaration of Independence. Intent on eliminating this evil, they
> created a system whereby citizens kept their arms at home and could be called
> by their state militias at a moment's notice. These militias eventually became
> the states' National Guard, and the courts have always interpreted them that
> way.
>
> In 1886, the Supreme Court ruled in Presser vs. Illinois that the Second
> Amendment only prevents the federal government from interfering with a state's
> ability to maintain a militia, and does nothing to limit the states' ability to
> regulate firearms. Which means that states can regulate, control and even ban
> firearms if they so desire!
>
> Even so, this left a question about how much the federal government can limit a
> citizen's right to own a gun. In 1939, the Supreme Court addressed this issue
> in United States vs. Miller. Here, the Court refused to strike down a law
> prohibiting the interstate commerce of a sawed-off shotgun on the basis of the
> Second Amendment. Rejecting the argument that the shotgun had "some reasonable
> relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia,"
> the Court held that the Second Amendment "must be interpreted and applied" only
> in the context of safeguarding the continuation and effectiveness of the state
> militias.
>
> In other words, the federal government is free to regulate and even ban guns so
> long as it does not interfere with the state's ability to run a militia. Since
> then, both the Supreme and lesser courts have consistently interpreted the
> right to bear arms as a state's right, not an individual's right. At times they
> have even expressed exasperation with some gun advocates' misinterpretation of
> the Second Amendment.
>
> In United States v. Warin, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in 1976 upheld
> the conviction of an illegal gun-owner who argued that his Second Amendment
> rights had been violated. In pointed language, the court wrote: "It would
> unduly extend this opinion to attempt to deal with every argument made by
> defendant...all of which are based on the erroneous supposition that the Second
> Amendment is concerned with the rights of individuals rather than those of the
> states."
>
> In 1972 Justice William O. Douglas wrote: "A powerful lobby dins into the ears
> of our citizenry that these gun purchases are constitutional rights protected
> by the Second Amendment....There is no reason why all pistols should not be
> barred to everyone except the police."
>
> Gun advocates have bitterly decried the "activist courts" that have supposedly
> changed the plain meaning of the constitution. But over 100 years of courts
> have interpreted a states'-rights meaning, and so has a broad body of
> constitutional scholars. Gun advocates simply have a different "plain meaning"
> of the constitution than everyone else, one that coincidentally legalizes their
> desired goal of owning weapons.
>
> The only apparent recourse for gun advocates now is to reject the system of
> judicial review that has led to a perfect record of court defeats. But the
> alternative is even worse: trusting Congress to pass laws that respect our
> constitutional rights. On all other issues but gun ownership, the idea is
> anathema to conservatives and libertarians.
>
> But even accepting the gun lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment does
> not spare the gun owner from gun control. The amendment simply states that the
> people have a right "to keep and bear" arms. It says absolutely nothing about
> regulating them for safety, design or caliber. The gun lobby argues that the
> lack of of such language means that individuals are free to own any arms they
> please, and government cannot use constitutional silence to infer permission to
> regulate them. But this isn't true; look at the First Amendment. It simply says
> that "congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech" -- yet the
> government regulates countless forms of speech -- slander, malicious
> falsehoods, fraud, insider trading, etc. -- and these regulations are upheld by
> the Supreme Court. The same principle applies to the regulation of guns.
>
> This point becomes especially important when considering the regulation of arms
> by category. For example: do the people have a right to own nuclear weapons?
> (Pro-gun advocates contemptuously call this the "nuclear straw-man argument,"
> yet they have not even come close to providing a satisfactory answer to it.)
> How about chemical and biological weapons? Tanks? Battleships? Bombers? In a
> society where people get drunk, angry, jealous, self-destructive and mentally
> ill, you certainly wouldn't want the unregulated sale of nuclear weapons on the
> market. Prohibition of such arms seems like the best thing to do, but, strictly
> speaking, that too would be a violation of the Second Amendment.
>
> Some pro-gun advocates admit that a literalist interpretation allows the right
> to keep and bear all arms, including nuclear weapons, and that this is surely
> archaic. Certainly the Founders could not have foreseen or intended this
> situation. However, pro-gun advocates claim the correct reaction of modern
> America should be to amend the constitution to exclude ownership of nuclear
> weapons; creatively interpreting the constitution is the wrong way.
>
> This is a curious argument, for a couple of reasons. First, the entire
> rationale of an individual right to keep and bear arms is to defend against a
> tyrannical government. But to surrender an advantage as overwhelming as nuclear
> weapons and smart weaponry to the government is irrational. Given the
> fanaticism of the gun lobby to protect themselves from government tyranny, this
> meek acquiescence towards weapons of terrible destruction is more than little
> strange, and begs explanation. It suggests that, down deep, the gun lobby is
> not really serious about its claim that government threatens them. (How could
> they be, in a democracy with high-speed, mass communication?) What is more
> likely is that they feel the need to empower themselves, and firearms are
> sufficient to fulfill that need.
>
> The argument is also strange because it concedes a point to gun control;
> namely, that there are some weapons so deadly that they should not be allowed
> in society. That is exactly what gun-control advocates have been arguing, and
> you don't need nuclear weapons to achieve the feared results; the U.S. already
> has the high murder statistics to prove it with handguns alone.
>
> The argument is also strange because the gun lobby fervently hopes to avoid
> public mobilization on a constitutional amendment limiting the right to keep
> and bear arms. A huge majority of Americans favor stricter gun control laws;
> and as long as they're excluding nuclear weapons they might as well throw in
> assault weapons and Saturday Night Specials.
>
> But ultimately, calling for a constitutional amendment banning the ownership of
> nuclear weapons is moot. Individuals do not even have a guaranteed right to
> keep and bear firearms, much less modern military weapons. To overcome the
> Supreme Court on this issue, the gun lobby would have to promote fundamental
> changes in our political structure that would surely be disimprovements.


The Hell with the Secomd Amendment. Every Amercan should own a gun,
The bigger the better. The time is coming when Americans will need to
kill each other---- thanks to the present government's control by the
corporations and the division that they have created among ignorant
people who do not know any better. Why should America be any different
than any other nation that had to decide who is entitled to a decent
life without a corrupt government's desire to control the entire
wealth within the country?

"For a successful revolution it is not enough that there is
discontent. What is required is a profound and thorough conviction of
the justice, necessity and importance of political and social
rights."
--- B. R. Ambedkar

"Life should be great rather than long."
----- B. R. Ambedkar

The time is close. Pick your side and arm yourself. Red or Blue ?

"Every generation needs a new revolution."
--- Thomas Jefferson
 
"Ross John Lambourn" <rossjohnl@nambla.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.21e5ecc0ebd0575b9898ef@nntp.aioe.org...
> Myth: The Second Amendment guarantees the individual right to own a gun.
> Fact: The Supreme Court has always interpreted this as a state's militia's
> right, not an individual's.
> Summary


The Supreme Court is deciding this right now.

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