Rockhard Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 President Bush has a proposal for balancing the budget for 2007 part of it is sell off part of our National Forest neting about 800 million. that will supposedly keep one program going for the next 5 YEARS. Half of that money is sinking into the mud in Hope Arkansas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeUslide Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Political maneuvering, nothing will come of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixes Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Political maneungveri, nothing will come of it. Do you even know what you are talking about? They just dont do maneungveri for no reason. DUH. Whatever is eating you - must be suffering horribly. Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 President Bush has a proposal for balancing the budget for 2007 part of it is sell off part of our National Forest neting about 800 million. that will supposedly keep one program going for the next 5 YEARS. Half of that money is sinking into the mud in Hope Arkansas. We should sell off all the fucking National Forest. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 We should sell off all the fucking National Forest. Great plan. The amazon is just down south a bit anyway. Quote Persevere, it pisses people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Great plan. The amazon is just down south a bit anyway. Lumber companies plant more trees than the federal government does. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Lumber companies plant more trees than the federal government does. That's part of their charter and contract. APM has fucked up more land in this country than agriculture, mining, and livestock ever will. Quote Persevere, it pisses people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 That's part of their charter and contract. APM has fucked up more land in this country than agriculture, mining, and livestock ever will. If lumber companies owned the land they would plant trees. Just like a citrus farmer. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 If lumber companies owned the land they would plant trees. Just like a citrus farmer. Crap. A citrus farmer wants to remain. A logger wants to move on. Quote Persevere, it pisses people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 Crap. A citrus farmer wants to remain. A logger wants to move on. Because if it is someone elses land you despoil it and move on. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quarky Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 regardless of weather or not Logging compainies replant after they have removed the trees, the damage to the eco system can take up to 50 years to regenerate, in this time frame the land is open to soil degradation and erosion, which in tern damages the eco system further. In south australia we have a number of large pine forests which were initially grown to farm, however the greenies started to complain and now the forests are protected, which means the logging compainies have to go looking else where for product, which is pathetic. Logging is a fact of life, but I think it needs to be done well and not used as an excuse to rape the planet. the below link is to a site which shows the decline of old growth forests in the usa http://www.ancienttrees.org/history.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixes Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Forest managers are facing a problem they themselves created: rampant road-building that occurred to allow logging company access to the forest has impacted sensitive areas. The southern pine beetle infestations are on the rise, destroying habitat for the broad spectrum of wildlife in the forest. (((allow logging company access to the forest"))) Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeUslide Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Why y'all, I'd bet it takes an "act of congress" to sell said land. Any takers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder Posted February 20, 2006 Share Posted February 20, 2006 Because if it is someone elses land you despoil it and move on. APM or Australian Paper Mills has 99 year leases on the land they use. They replant, but do nothing about infestations of lantana and groundsel, the seeds of which blow into neighbouring bushland, creating more headaches for our underfunded National Parks Service. The tree of choice is the radiata pine, which changes the soil structure, creating an acid base that leaches into swamps, killing off the native plants and trees, ending up in the water courses As for our Government run State Foresties, private contractors are usually the one's harvesting trees, and they have rather strict guidelines they must adhere to. Unfortunately, it is often left up to private organisations to monitor these guidelines, and seek court orders to stop destruction of creeks and streams. Quote Persevere, it pisses people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Trees are highly overrated. They contribute to global warming. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 regardless of weather or not Logging compainies replant after they have removed the trees, the damage to the eco system can take up to 50 years to regenerate, in this time frame the land is open to soil degradation and erosion, which in tern damages the eco system further. In south australia we have a number of large pine forests which were initially grown to farm, however the greenies started to complain and now the forests are protected, which means the logging compainies have to go looking else where for product, which is pathetic. Logging is a fact of life, but I think it needs to be done well and not used as an excuse to rape the planet. the below link is to a site which shows the decline of old growth forests in the usa http://www.ancienttrees.org/history.php If every damn redwood was cut down it would not effect the planet one bit. It would only effect a few morons who got nothin' better to do than go stare at a stupid tree and say "Gee, Marge, that is one big tree." Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 don't ,mind Hugo. no one ever hugged him as a child. he is still bitter Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 don't ,mind Hugo. no one ever hugged him as a child. he is still bitter Actually, it was because I never got a pony as a child. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 If every damn redwood was cut down it would not effect the planet one bit. It would only effect a few morons who got nothin' better to do than go stare at a stupid tree and say "Gee, Marge, that is one big tree." LMFAO. Good visual, Hugo a gogo. Quote Persevere, it pisses people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papabryant Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 President Bush has a proposal for balancing the budget for 2007 part of it is sell off part of our National Forest neting about 800 million. that will supposedly keep one program going for the next 5 YEARS. Half of that money is sinking into the mud in Hope Arkansas. The government is selling Brooke Shields' eyebrows? Quote A Christian with a Bible is a nuisance to your comfortable level of non-belief. And a Christian with a brain cannot be as easily dismissed as you might be accustomed to. But a Christian with both is a dangerous thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockhard Posted March 3, 2006 Author Share Posted March 3, 2006 You don't have to worry about the logging, these sites will be sold to developers, instead of trees, water and wild life. we will have more condos and wall to wall housing. Hugo must be a Rush Windbag supporter, he stated in one of his mindless uninformed rants that grass produced more oxygen than trees. I saw first hand what happens when most of the trees in an area are removed. Folks the rain stopped coming, by the first of june the corn got about two feet tall shriveled and turned white. DONT'T MESS WITH MAW NATURE SHE WILL GET YOU WHERE IT HURTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Not only that, but there is more flooding when it DOES rain, and it all runs off into the streams and into groundwater, carrying all the pesticides and fertilizers that can't get filtered through pavement or sod. You can't imagine what over developing is doing to the coastal salt water ecosystems and wetlands. Nitrates saturate wetlands downstream and eventually suffocate the needed plant life and eventually fish. Ammonia and calcium levels rise in the dirt and it can no longer support tree growth of any kind and the list goes on. Hugo understands little that reaches beyond the pathetic grasp of his own winkie. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalfind Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Hugo understands little that reaches beyond the pathetic grasp of his own winkie. Another thing you and I agree on... Quote I am a pathetic piece of shit leeching single mom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarky1.0 Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 If every damn redwood was cut down it would not effect the planet one bit. It would only effect a few morons who got nothin' better to do than go stare at a stupid tree and say "Gee, Marge, that is one big tree." This is without doubt one of the most asinine statements I have ever heard, trees don't effect the planet?! WTF! Have you heard of a little thing that sustains all animal life, a little thing called Oxygen. The trees of the world are the lungs of the planet, no more trees, no more life. Oh yeah the thing about them producing green house gases, was caused by the polution in the atmosphere we have caused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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