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On Apr 6, 4:07 pm, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:

>> "Neolibertarian" <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> You know where I am on that one! "Push the button George!"

>Well, you know it's more complicated than that too.

>http://www.elihu.envy.nu/NeoPics/Sounds/agfig.mp3

>> Not only have we NOT taken Tehran out of the game we've given them their

>> own

>> dugout, 10 1st round draft picks, extra free-throws and the fucking soft

>> drink concession!

>Not exactly.

>They've since wasted lots of resources in Iraq. They still send over

>$2 billion a year to Lebanese Hizbullah. They fund Saudi Arabian

>Hizbullah. Kuwaiti Hizbullah. Bahrainian Hizbullah. They maintain

>thousands of operatives in Afghanistan. Bosnia. Kosovo. Iraq.

>Azerbaijan. Indonesia. Sudan. You name it.

>Trying to be a Cold War Player is an expensive proposition. Trying to

>build a nuclear arsenal is more expensive still. Just ask Moscow.

Moscow was getting by, perhaps a little better in certain instances, until

Ron decided NOT to nuke them and instead went Star Wars on 'em. Broke their

banks. Broke their backs. Disallowed them opportunity to be a victim in

any way, shape or form. Poisoned the otherwise decent Russian citizentry

against them....

I'm a crackpot, I admit it. I'd a nuked their ass! But Ron was smarter

than me.

I don't think Iran can keep pretending to be a player for much longer. And,

in a most hilarious way, the guys who got punked worse than anyone has ever

been punked on earth (Soviets) are now punking the Iranians! But they

tweaked the game. Unlike Ron's v1.0 of Punk The Ruskies we now have Putin's

v2.0 of Punk The Iranians AND MAKE A PROFIT DOING IT!

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH!!!!

Putin is an evil rotten Commie bastard but he IS NOT stupid!

>Iran's economy is flat, and the government can't even pay thousands of

>its own employees. Inflation is high. Unemployment isn't horrible, but

>it's high. Riots and strikes break out there all the time.

>All despite $100 barrels. Even /that/ can't seem to save them.

Somewhere along the way they forgot something... They forgot to build

REFINERIES. They don't even refine their own gasoline, they have to buy

it.... They sell their oil then buy it back in the form of gasoline!

>You go into that house and shoot the family...well, not only are you

>gonna piss of the entire neighborhood, you're gonna be shooting a

>dying man. If you let him die from his own struggles, you can be a

>hero. If you shoot him dead before anyone else gets a chance to see

>how sick with dementia he already was, well, you're gonna be a pariah.

You are making the wiser argument, no doubt in my mind. But you are also

making the riskier argument. If George doesn't smack down Tehran, and

Israel doesn't, and McAmnesty doesn't get his chance its gonna be bad news!

Its gonna be WORSE than Carter pacing around the Oval Office wondering what

to do about the hostages month after month after month after month after

month after month after month after month after month....

Worst case scenario people are mad at us, hate us, we're a " pariah," we

suck.

But they already are mad at us, hate us, think we're a " pariah," and think

we suck!

No question, you have the better approach IF the nutball dies and does so

quickly.

>Take out Hitler in 1937, yeah it's easy. You get him and his

>lieutenants. Hit Mescherschmidt, Porshe, Daimler Benz and a bunch of

>munition factories, and you've ended the threat...for now.

>But you ain't defeated Nazism. Not by a long shot.

>The only way to defeat Nazism is to grind it up in the meat grinder.

Then we got a real problem because that Jihad meat grinder DOES NOT exist.

We've got it tuckered out in Iraq, and it is without support anywhere and

everywhere else on the planet.

Which means we'll be needing a HUGE event to reinvigorate it! I just hope

that HUGE event is on somebody else's soil NEXT time!

America is just barely tolerating this War, Britian has all but surrendered,

Canada and Australia don't even count, France surrendered but might want

back in (maybe, in a small way), Germany surrendered, China doesn't care

what the rest of us do and Russia is making too much money keeping things

unresolved to help resolve them.

Remember the Americans flags everywhere and that unity of purpose after

9/11? Until that happens in Europe we aren't getting anywhere.

>> As an actual combat commander I have more trust in McAmnesty dealing with

>> things than George has. George has had to make decisions lacking the key

>> essential knowledge and experience - he was never in combat and he never

>> commanded people and missions in combat.

>This is true, and it may explain a lot about how he's proceeded. Both

>Wilson and FDR, in some ways were great wartime presidents--though

>neither had any experience in the military. And, while they did many

>things right, they did many things which prevented real and lasting

>victory. Their lack of understanding of basics showed up from time to

>time.

>Like Dubya, they got too clever for themselves on occasion.

George's command experience is business command. Which is exactly why he

went into Iraq short. His analysis was perfect had he been launching a

corporate invasion of a business competitor. His analysis was exactly

perfectly wrong for launching a combat invasion of a foreign military. But

when you don't have combat and combat command experience you have to trust

others... Unlike George (at first), McAmnesty has been the personal victim

of bad intel. He knows what happens when they say fly over there, no SAMs,

we promise.... Right?

>> Buckwheat would be a Retaliator. But I hate to think of the ass-whooping

>> we'd have to take before he'd had enough and decided to retaliate!

>Barack Milhouse Obama, The Man Who Would Be King, won't be any more a

>retaliator than James Billy Carter. When he talks about military

>options in Pakistan to get bin Laden, he's merely parroting what he

>reads here at alt.politics and the lunatic blogs.

bwahahahahahahhahahahahahaha!!!!

>Unless he means Predator Drones or a small Delta Force team. Maybe,

>and let's hope not, maybe he even means an Operation: Eagle Claw.

>Milhouse is likely to be the least powerful person in his presidency--

>he ain't even been around long enough to know who to pick for SECDEF

>or SECSTATE or even VP. They'll be picked for him, and whoever it is

>will know that Pakistan is doing better since 9/11 than for 30 years

>previous. Besides, he'll be forced to notice that bin Laden isn't in

>Pakistan, anyway, after he's sworn into office.

>He, like Billy, will undoubtedly be forced into a position where he'll

>HAVE to retaliate for this or that--but like Billy, he won't be able

>to. Instead, he'll boycott the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver

>because the nasty Iranian Luge Team will be there.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!

If McAmnesty had just one single solid irrefutable bit of Intel fit for

public consumption that Iran had an almost-nuke he'd flatten their ass.

Buckwheat would wait until they'd detonated it. With the exception of most

of Africa, Manchuria, and Detroit there's almost nowhere on the planet where

the Iranians can bomb that won't fuck up everybody.

Hitlary would pay the Israelis to start trouble, or more likely pay Hamas to

start trouble in Israel, so she could have a no-responsibility excuse to

step in.

Either way, McNasty hurts the bad guys and no one else, and that's always

better.

>> > You ever looked at a map of Iran? You wanna plan an offensive in the

>> > Persian highlands?

>> That's never gonna happen. Its been planned. The planners threw away the

>> plans. The Generals said, "Where are those plans we asked for?" The

>> planners pointed to the circular file. It simply is NOT possible. You end

>> up with an enormous overlap. The bombing necessary to make a land assault

>> work eliminates the need for a land assault!

>Once you bomb Iran, all other bets are off. You HAVE to win, because

>everything changes with that first explosion.

You bet. One would hope that the Saudis fill that power vacuum. After all,

their only other option is bow to Iran... The Saudis still think this is a

chess game. Its like a poker game in Tombstone circa 1880s. Sure, we're

playing poker, laughing it up, having drinks, but the Iranians brought guns

just in case they suck at poker!

Iran

Available Personnel Fit for Military Service: 30,671,322

Average Available Yearly Military Manpower: 1,670,100

Purchasing Power: $852,600,000,000

Gold Reserves: $69,200,000,000

Oil Production: 4,150,000 (bbl per day)

Oil Consumption: 1,630,000 (bbl per day)

Proven Oil Reserves: 132,500,000 (barrels)

Labor Force: 28,700,000

Ports: 3

Airports: 331

Railways: 8,367 km

Waterways: 850 km

Roadways: 179,388 km

Land Area: 1,648,000 km

Aircraft: 954

Armored Vehicles: 2380

Artillery: 4594

Missile Defense Weapons: 1760

Infantry Support Weapons: 12500

Naval Units: 65

Merchant Marines: 131

Saudi Arabia

Available Personnel Fit for Military Service: 11,252,056

Average Available Yearly Military Manpower: 481,834

Purchasing Power: $572,200,000,000

Gold Reserves: $34,000,000,000

Oil Production: 11,100,000 (bbl per day)

Oil Consumption: 2,000,000 (bbl per day)

Proven Oil Reserves: 266,800,000 (barrels)

Labor Force: 6,488,000

Ports: 4

Airports: 213

Railways: 1,392 km

Waterways: 0 km

Roadways: 152,044 km

Land Area: 1,960,582 km

Aircraft: 725

Armored Vehicles: 5325

Artillery: 508

Missile Defense Weapons: 3050

Infantry Support Weapons: 3050

Naval Units: 29

Merchant Marines: 59

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries_comparison_detail.asp

>> There are much better ways but George can't appreciate them because he

>> has

>> no experience with them. (And at this point in his terms he seems

>> completely unwilling to take any chances with his legacy.)

>I'm not sure he cares about what anyone thinks about him--even in the

>future.

>I've never seen a politician take so many groin shots and not fight

>back. He's got so much mud caked on his back and shoulders, I'm amazed

>he can still stand upright.

>And yet he does.

What a great point! He just (somehow) ignores it! I don't know how he does

it, I know I sure couldn't!

>But I think there's more cohesion in the Iranian home guards.

>Khamene'i tells them to drink the FlaVor Aid, and they'll gulp it

>down--he's the next best thing to the Mahdi, after all.

I would evaluate it this way. The Iraqis only had to hear us coming and

they ran off into the desert ripping off their uniforms.

The Iranians will likely need to actually SEE it coming before they run off

into the desert ripping off their uniforms.

I admit its an awesome sight. We look damned good when we're coming to kick

your ass!

Unfortunately, if you wait until we're close enough to see us its generally

too late to run away...

> And Putin AND Beijing will be sending him daily strategic assessments.

>He'll use them.

Won't be worth shit. By the time he decodes the email from Beijing the B2s

will be on the way BACK HOME.

The Iranians have literally ZERO defense against our airpower.

What we don't know is what they think they'd do AFTER the smackdown.

(During the smackdown they will be hiding with absolutely no thought of

retaliation because they won't know the level of smackdown we bring. Maybe

we'll bring a Pay Attention type of smackdown? Maybe we'll bring a We Said

NO Nukes type of smackdown? Maybe we'll bring a You No Longer Exist type of

smackdown? Every single rocket or missle they launch in defense or

retaliation is an armament they CAN'T replace. They will be entirely

focused on aftermath.)

>> Why isn't clear to everybody that Iran must be smacked down or this never

>> ends? Even the Saudis seem to have NOT figured out that THEY are next

>> after

>> Tehran has a firm grip on Baghdad?

>Actually, the Saudis have been spending more money on their own

>defense forces than ever before. The same with Kuwait. Egypt. Yemen.

>They all know the Persian Shit Storm is coming.

>http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8008

>http://www.elihu.envy.nu/NeoPics/Sounds/walking.wav

Then WHY are the Saudis HOLDING US BACK? Their life would be more wonderful

WITHOUT Iran, don't they know that? Of course, they don't want US to win,

but somebody's gonna win. Do they want those JOOS to win!?!?!?! I mean,

c'mon, the US winning is a heck of a lot better for them than those darned

JOOOOOS winning, right?

The Saudis also fail to realize that Iran COULD rush them any day. The

Saudis could not successfully hold off an Iranian invasion. Sure, we'd

help. But it would take everybody in Iraq AND 24 hours to bring that help.

By then the Saudi royal family and upper political infrastructure would be

fully compromised - defeated.

>> And apparently NOBODY on this planet has figured out that it only takes a

>> little bit more twisting before OPEC turns OFF the spigot. The Chinks are

>> feeling fat and happy, I can't blame 'em, but if they think being the #1

>> customer gets them special treatment NOT prescribed by the Koran they're

>> nuts!

>This has always surprised me too.

>I think what it is is totalitarians tend to get along with

>totalitarians.

>And this trend seems to hold pretty true since the WWII.

That would be ordinary totalitarians! The Muslim version IS NOT like that!

The Chinks should be smarter than that, they're playing bad chess here.

This whole thing could turn against them with the next breeze! They need to

wise up.

They don't have to be our pals. We each have a death grip on the other so

that just doesn't even matter any more. We're stuck being mates no matter

what! But if things turn on them they could be down on one knee in a month

with NO friends around to step up.

>> In the real world when Wal-Mart tells Benjamin Moore it wants more paint

>> IT

>> GETS MORE PAINT. But China and the US are telling OPEC we want more oil

>> and

>> getting ...

>China's all tangled up in both sides--she pulls away from the US or

>she pulls away from Iran, and the whole thing will come atumblin' down

>around their ears.

>Iran is tangled up every which way but loose. The Brits can't ally

>with us in an attack on Iran--BP would go bust the next day. The day

>after that there'd be a vote of no confidence and Brown all of a

>sudden has to move his stuff out of 10 Downing--and here he'd just put

>in the new drapes and all. Russia is in the mix, OBVIOUSLY, and the

>cadre in power there kills journalists with polonium, for crying out

>loud.

>It's a lot like 1914, PG.

>I think this last round of attacks was due to the March 4th UN

>Security Council sanctions.

>I think this is the first time that George has really stumbled--and

>not just pretended to stumble.

>I think IAEA has never bought a single fuken word of last year's NIE.

>And I think Bush thought they'd jump on board it in a New York Second--

>it so obviously flatters IAEA.

>But they've taken the opposite tack. And they went to the UN with

>their findings, and the UN Security Council voted another round of

>sanctions March 4th--and I think George couldn't stop the vote from

>happening, and he had no choice but to vote for the sanctions.

That NIE... Waaaaay to funny...........

See.... We said, "Ok, you were right, we were wrong, you're smart, we suck,

everything's peachy with Iran."

Then the IAEA looked down and saw THEMSELVES holding the bag! Alone.

Holding the bag ALONE. They can't remember picking it up, they don't know

what's in it, but they knew THEY WERE HOLDING IT - all by themeslves!

Hahahahhahahaha!! You KNOW they crapped themselves!

The VERY SECOND it was ALL on them THEY crapped themselves. I hate playing

the game this way, its waaaaay to risky, to dangerous, but George played

them PERFECT!

And SINCE then we got Frenchy on board, we got the Krauts interested, we got

the Brits lingering in Iraq for another cup 'o tea, etc.

George gave them a simple ONE DAY taste of what its like to be responsible

and they shit in their pants! And, which is MOST amazing, he did that

KNOWING it would be a public disgrace ON HIM! So he made a fool of himself

in public in order to get something important done!

>So, the following week, the Iranians made noise. And, it seems they've

>thrown al-Sadr out with yesterday's trash to boot. And now I don't

>know what's coming next.

al-Sadr was not as obedient as Tehran wanted, he overstayed his welcome, he

acquired aspirations (without permission). Upon testing him they found he's

NOT the player everybody thought he was.

>Maybe Dubya can make it right with them. Or maybe we'll be trying out

>your attack plan sooner than I thought--and waaay sooner than called

>for in the recipe. That's how you can ruin a perfectly good Iranian

>Souffle.

It looks like the math is getting simpler and simpler. It was a bold step

for George to give everybody else a chance to see what holding the bag all

by yourself was like. But he certainly proved his point. America DOES NOT

answer to the UN, ever, NEVER, about ANYTHING.

Responsibility and authority are inseparable. You want to have the

authority then you MUST accept the responsibility. To the world George said

no nukes for Iran or we bomb them, no more talking. To the UN George said

there's my way and there's your way, how much responsibility would you like?

(And the UN said they'd prefer zero responsibility knowing that it is

accompanied by zero authority.)

Tehran saw the UN's reaction to the fishy NIE, and they know their options.

Their options are: Slow death (sanctions forever), Fast death (get bombed),

Obey. And Obey means stop screwing around in Iraq, start helping out in

Iraq, no nukes, no more talking about it.

The Brits stopped letting the British Royal Family run England a long time

ago but they still like the British Royal Family so they keep them around.

The Ayatollahs are facing the same fate but the question they have is will

they be kept around or will they be hanged? So their thinking is slow death

by sanctions will get them removed and hung, eventually. Fast death may

re-invigorate the faithful behind them, maybe. And obedience is simply

impossible for them bringing anything like democracy to Iraq without Masters

Behind The Curtains means they are useless.

So the Ayatollahs WANT to get bombed.

The UN does NOT WANT responsibility for anything.

The UNSC does NOT WANT responsibility for anything.

George can order up any flavor of NIE he wants.

We're coming down to the final moves... We have Tehran in check, everything

else is checkmate.