no denying xmas is just wrong

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baxter

Guest
They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000

years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than

December 25.

The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a

magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were

so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single

"beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.

If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a

Capricorn as previously believed.

Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to

chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night

sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years

ago.

It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of

Jesus's birth.

Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they

had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's

birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.

Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere

between 3BC and 1AD.

Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke

pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the

constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.

The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space

magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night

sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.

"We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to

the Bible.

"Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they

would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.

"We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is

the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.

"There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we

have from the time.

"This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a

sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.

"Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the

planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas

star.

"

Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie

Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date

we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.

"This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up

as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at

the right time.

"Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can

upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce

people's faith.

"

Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an

exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the

date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation

yet.

--------->

jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why

not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born

during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe

he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and

became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the

religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the

holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.

- bax

 
M

mimus

Guest
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:36 -0800, baxter wrote:


> They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



> years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



> December 25.



>



> The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



> magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



> so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



> "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>



> If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



> Capricorn as previously believed.



>



> Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



> chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



> sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



> ago.



>



> It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



> Jesus's birth.



>



> Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



> had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



> birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>



> Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



> between 3BC and 1AD.



>



> Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



> pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



> constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>



> The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



> magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



> sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>



> "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



> the Bible.



>



> "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



> would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>



> "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



> the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>



> "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



> have from the time.



>



> "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



> sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.



>



> "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



> planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



> star.



> "



> Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



> Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



> we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>



> "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



> as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



> the right time.



>



> "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



> upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



> people's faith.



> "



> Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



> exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



> date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



> yet.



>



> --------->



>



> jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



> not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



> during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



> he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



> became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



> religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



> holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.


They either had to abolish the non-Christian Winter Solstice celebrations

or hijack 'em . . . .

It's highly doubtful Jesus was sentenced and executed at the time of the

Spring Equinox, for that matter . . . .

Bonus points: Guess when Mithra was supposed to've been born and

died-and-resurrected?

--

tinmimus99@hotmail.com

smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

"You are either insane or a fool."

"I am a sanitary inspector."

< _Maske: Thaery_

 
B

baxter

Guest
On Dec 12, 6:10?pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:


> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:36 -0800, baxter wrote:



> > They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



> > years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



> > December 25.



>



> > The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



> > magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



> > so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



> > "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>



> > If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



> > Capricorn as previously believed.



>



> > Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



> > chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



> > sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



> > ago.



>



> > It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



> > Jesus's birth.



>



> > Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



> > had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



> > birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>



> > Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



> > between 3BC and 1AD.



>



> > Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



> > pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



> > constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>



> > The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



> > magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



> > sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>



> > "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



> > the Bible.



>



> > "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



> > would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>



> > "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



> > the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>



> > "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



> > have from the time.



>



> > "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



> > sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.



>



> > "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



> > planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



> > star.



> > "



> > Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



> > Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



> > we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>



> > "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



> > as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



> > the right time.



>



> > "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



> > upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



> > people's faith.



> > "



> > Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



> > exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



> > date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



> > yet.



>



> > --------->



>



> > jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



> > not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



> > during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



> > he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



> > became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



> > religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



> > holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.



>



> They either had to abolish the non-Christian Winter Solstice celebrations



> or hijack 'em . . . .



>



> It's highly doubtful Jesus was sentenced and executed at the time of the



> Spring Equinox, for that matter . . . .



>



> Bonus points: Guess when Mithra was supposed to've been born and



> died-and-resurrected?



>



> --



> tinmimu...@hotmail.com



>



> smeeter 11 or maybe 12



>



> mp 10



>



> mhm 29x13



>



> "You are either insane or a fool."



> "I am a sanitary inspector."



>



> < _Maske: Thaery_- Hide quoted text -



>



> - Show quoted text -


i must admit, i tried to figure out what or who mithra was, and i

couldn't. i'm sorry about that. i thought i might have an idea because

i used to watch jack horshenhiemsters star guy way back when on PBS.

but i'm at a loss.

- bax

 
A

ah

Guest
mimus wrote:


> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:36 -0800, baxter wrote:



>



>> They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



>> years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



>> December 25.



>>



>> The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



>> magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



>> so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



>> "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>>



>> If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



>> Capricorn as previously believed.



>>



>> Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



>> chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



>> sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



>> ago.



>>



>> It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



>> Jesus's birth.



>>



>> Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



>> had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



>> birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>>



>> Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



>> between 3BC and 1AD.



>>



>> Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



>> pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



>> constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>>



>> The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



>> magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



>> sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>>



>> "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



>> the Bible.



>>



>> "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



>> would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>>



>> "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



>> the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>>



>> "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



>> have from the time.



>>



>> "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



>> sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.



>>



>> "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



>> planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



>> star.



>> "



>> Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



>> Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



>> we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>>



>> "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



>> as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



>> the right time.



>>



>> "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



>> upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



>> people's faith.



>> "



>> Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



>> exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



>> date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



>> yet.



>>



>> --------->



>>



>> jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



>> not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



>> during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



>> he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



>> became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



>> religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



>> holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.



>



> They either had to abolish the non-Christian Winter Solstice celebrations



> or hijack 'em . . . .



>



> It's highly doubtful Jesus was sentenced and executed at the time of the



> Spring Equinox, for that matter . . . .



>



> Bonus points: Guess when Mithra was supposed to've been born and



> died-and-resurrected?



>


9432 and 8174 B.C., respectively?

--

ah

 
D

Double-A

Guest
On Dec 12, 5:00?pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:


> mimus wrote:



> > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:36 -0800, baxter wrote:



>



> >> They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



> >> years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



> >> December 25.



>



> >> The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



> >> magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



> >> so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



> >> "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>



> >> If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



> >> Capricorn as previously believed.


So what? Jesus didn't believe in astrology!


> >> Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



> >> chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



> >> sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



> >> ago.



>



> >> It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



> >> Jesus's birth.



>



> >> Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



> >> had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



> >> birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>



> >> Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



> >> between 3BC and 1AD.



>



> >> Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



> >> pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



> >> constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>



> >> The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



> >> magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



> >> sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>



> >> "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



> >> the Bible.



>



> >> "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



> >> would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>



> >> "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



> >> the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>



> >> "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



> >> have from the time.



>



> >> "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



> >> sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.


If they mistook it, they wouldn't have been very wise, would they?


> >> "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



> >> planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



> >> star.



> >> "



> >> Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



> >> Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



> >> we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>



> >> "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



> >> as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



> >> the right time.



>



> >> "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



> >> upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



> >> people's faith.



> >> "



> >> Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



> >> exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



> >> date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



> >> yet.



>



> >> --------->



>



> >> jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



> >> not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



> >> during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



> >> he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



> >> became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



> >> religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



> >> holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.



>



> > They either had to abolish the non-Christian Winter Solstice celebrations



> > or hijack 'em . . . .



>



> > It's highly doubtful Jesus was sentenced and executed at the time of the



> > Spring Equinox, for that matter . . . .



>



> > Bonus points: Guess when Mithra was supposed to've been born and



> > died-and-resurrected?



>



> 9432 and 8174 B.C., respectively?



> --



> ah


Mithra was a myth.

Double-A

 
M

mimus

Guest
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:52:00 -0800, baxter wrote:


> On Dec 12, 6:10 pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:



>



>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:36 -0800, baxter wrote:



>>



>>> They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



>>> years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



>>> December 25.



>>>



>>> The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



>>> magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



>>> so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



>>> "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>>>



>>> If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



>>> Capricorn as previously believed.



>>>



>>> Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



>>> chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



>>> sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



>>> ago.



>>>



>>> It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



>>> Jesus's birth.



>>>



>>> Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



>>> had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



>>> birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>>>



>>> Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



>>> between 3BC and 1AD.



>>>



>>> Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



>>> pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



>>> constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>>>



>>> The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



>>> magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



>>> sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>>>



>>> "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



>>> the Bible.



>>>



>>> "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



>>> would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>>>



>>> "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



>>> the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>>>



>>> "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



>>> have from the time.



>>>



>>> "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



>>> sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.



>>>



>>> "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



>>> planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



>>> star.



>>> "



>>> Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



>>> Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



>>> we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>>>



>>> "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



>>> as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



>>> the right time.



>>>



>>> "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



>>> upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



>>> people's faith.



>>> "



>>> Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



>>> exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



>>> date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



>>> yet.



>>>



>>> --------->



>>>



>>> jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



>>> not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



>>> during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



>>> he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



>>> became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



>>> religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



>>> holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.



>>



>> They either had to abolish the non-Christian Winter Solstice celebrations



>> or hijack 'em . . . .



>>



>> It's highly doubtful Jesus was sentenced and executed at the time of the



>> Spring Equinox, for that matter . . . .



>>



>> Bonus points: Guess when Mithra was supposed to've been born and



>> died-and-resurrected?



>



> i must admit, i tried to figure out what or who mithra was, and i



> couldn't. i'm sorry about that. i thought i might have an idea because



> i used to watch jack horshenhiemsters star guy way back when on PBS.



> but i'm at a loss.


You can figure out Google Groups but not Google Web Search?

Weird.

(BTW, Jack's still around. Unfortunately.)

--

tinmimus99@hotmail.com

smeeter 11 or maybe 12

mp 10

mhm 29x13

In their brief time together Slothrop forms

the impression that this octopus is not in

good mental health, though where's his basis

for comparing?

< _Gravity's Rainbow_

 
B

baxter

Guest
On Dec 12, 8:45?pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:


> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:52:00 -0800, baxter wrote:



> > On Dec 12, 6:10?pm, mimus <tinmimu...@hotmail.com> wrote:



>



> >> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:36 -0800, baxter wrote:



>



> >>> They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



> >>> years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



> >>> December 25.



>



> >>> The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



> >>> magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



> >>> so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



> >>> "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>



> >>> If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



> >>> Capricorn as previously believed.



>



> >>> Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



> >>> chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



> >>> sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



> >>> ago.



>



> >>> It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



> >>> Jesus's birth.



>



> >>> Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



> >>> had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



> >>> birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>



> >>> Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



> >>> between 3BC and 1AD.



>



> >>> Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



> >>> pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



> >>> constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>



> >>> The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



> >>> magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



> >>> sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>



> >>> "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



> >>> the Bible.



>



> >>> "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



> >>> would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>



> >>> "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



> >>> the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>



> >>> "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



> >>> have from the time.



>



> >>> "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



> >>> sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.



>



> >>> "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



> >>> planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



> >>> star.



> >>> "



> >>> Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



> >>> Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



> >>> we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>



> >>> "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



> >>> as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



> >>> the right time.



>



> >>> "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



> >>> upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



> >>> people's faith.



> >>> "



> >>> Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



> >>> exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



> >>> date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



> >>> yet.



>



> >>> --------->



>



> >>> jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



> >>> not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



> >>> during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



> >>> he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



> >>> became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



> >>> religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



> >>> holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.



>



> >> They either had to abolish the non-Christian Winter Solstice celebrations



> >> or hijack 'em . . . .



>



> >> It's highly doubtful Jesus was sentenced and executed at the time of the



> >> Spring Equinox, for that matter . . . .



>



> >> Bonus points: Guess when Mithra was supposed to've been born and



> >> died-and-resurrected?



>



> > i must admit, i tried to figure out what or who mithra was, and i



> > couldn't. i'm sorry about that. i thought i might have an idea because



> > i used to watch jack horshenhiemsters star guy way back when on PBS.



> > but i'm at a loss.



>



> You can figure out Google Groups but not Google Web Search?



>



> Weird.



>



> (BTW, Jack's still around. ?Unfortunately.)



>



> --



> tinmimu...@hotmail.com



>



> smeeter 11 or maybe 12



>



> mp 10



>



> mhm 29x13



>



> In their brief time together Slothrop forms



> the impression that this octopus is not in



> good mental health, though where's his basis



> for comparing?



>



> < _Gravity's Rainbow_- Hide quoted text -



>



> - Show quoted text -


i was gonna try, but i shot for honest. which has gotten me in more

trouble lately.

- bax

 
B

Bluuuue Rajah

Guest
baxter <district29@***.net> wrote in news:cb086e8f-ffe3-494c-a203-

e4d78331166a@v31g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:


> i must admit, i tried to figure out what or who mithra was, and i



> couldn't.


Wasn't that the silver steel material that Frodo's chain mail shirt was

made from? ;)

 
B

Bluuuue Rajah

Guest
baxter <district29@***.net> wrote in news:f4d4aa2e-ee7e-4826-b51f-

9a3fb59655a6@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com:


> They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



> years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



> December 25.



>



> The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



> magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



> so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



> "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>



> If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



> Capricorn as previously believed.



>



> Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



> chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



> sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



> ago.



>



> It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



> Jesus's birth.



>



> Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



> had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



> birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>



> Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



> between 3BC and 1AD.



>



> Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



> pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



> constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>



> The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



> magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



> sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>



> "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



> the Bible.



>



> "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



> would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>



> "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



> the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>



> "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



> have from the time.



>



> "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



> sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.



>



> "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



> planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



> star.



> "



> Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



> Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



> we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>



> "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



> as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



> the right time.



>



> "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



> upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



> people's faith.



> "



> Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



> exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



> date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



> yet.



>



> --------->



>



> jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



> not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



> during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



> he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



> became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



> religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



> holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.


I've always thought that the star was simply Venus, and the people who

recorded the event missed that crucial detail. Of course, it's been

well established that a lot of Biblical "history" is really mythology,

with lots of made up details to support the religious agendas of the

writers.

Try reading the Book of Daniel, and you'll see so many miracles that

they can't all be misinterpretations of normal events. They've got to

be made up.

 
A

ah

Guest
Double-A wrote:


> On Dec 12, 5:00 pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:



>> mimus wrote:



>> > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:36 -0800, baxter wrote:



>>



>> >> They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



>> >> years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



>> >> December 25.



>>



>> >> The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



>> >> magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



>> >> so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



>> >> "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>>



>> >> If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



>> >> Capricorn as previously believed.



>



>



> So what? Jesus didn't believe in astrology!



>



>



>> >> Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



>> >> chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



>> >> sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



>> >> ago.



>>



>> >> It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



>> >> Jesus's birth.



>>



>> >> Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



>> >> had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



>> >> birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>>



>> >> Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



>> >> between 3BC and 1AD.



>>



>> >> Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



>> >> pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



>> >> constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>>



>> >> The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



>> >> magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



>> >> sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>>



>> >> "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



>> >> the Bible.



>>



>> >> "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



>> >> would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>>



>> >> "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



>> >> the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>>



>> >> "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



>> >> have from the time.



>>



>> >> "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



>> >> sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.



>



>



> If they mistook it, they wouldn't have been very wise, would they?



>



>



>> >> "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



>> >> planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



>> >> star.



>> >> "



>> >> Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



>> >> Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



>> >> we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>>



>> >> "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



>> >> as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



>> >> the right time.



>>



>> >> "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



>> >> upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



>> >> people's faith.



>> >> "



>> >> Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



>> >> exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



>> >> date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



>> >> yet.



>>



>> >> --------->



>>



>> >> jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



>> >> not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



>> >> during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



>> >> he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



>> >> became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



>> >> religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



>> >> holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.



>>



>> > They either had to abolish the non-Christian Winter Solstice celebrations



>> > or hijack 'em . . . .



>>



>> > It's highly doubtful Jesus was sentenced and executed at the time of the



>> > Spring Equinox, for that matter . . . .



>>



>> > Bonus points: Guess when Mithra was supposed to've been born and



>> > died-and-resurrected?



>>



>> 9432 and 8174 B.C., respectively?



>> --



>> ah



>



>



> Mithra was a myth.


If true, does that not make the Big Bang a myth, also?

--

ah

 
D

Double-A

Guest
On Dec 13, 4:12?pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:


> Double-A wrote:



> > On Dec 12, 5:00 pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:



> >> mimus wrote:



> >> > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:36 -0800, baxter wrote:



>



> >> >> They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



> >> >> years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



> >> >> December 25.



>



> >> >> The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



> >> >> magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



> >> >> so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



> >> >> "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>



> >> >> If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



> >> >> Capricorn as previously believed.



>



> > So what? ?Jesus didn't believe in astrology!



>



> >> >> Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



> >> >> chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



> >> >> sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



> >> >> ago.



>



> >> >> It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



> >> >> Jesus's birth.



>



> >> >> Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



> >> >> had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



> >> >> birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>



> >> >> Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



> >> >> between 3BC and 1AD.



>



> >> >> Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



> >> >> pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



> >> >> constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>



> >> >> The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



> >> >> magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



> >> >> sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>



> >> >> "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



> >> >> the Bible.



>



> >> >> "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



> >> >> would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>



> >> >> "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



> >> >> the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>



> >> >> "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



> >> >> have from the time.



>



> >> >> "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



> >> >> sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.



>



> > If they mistook it, they wouldn't have been very wise, would they?



>



> >> >> "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



> >> >> planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



> >> >> star.



> >> >> "



> >> >> Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



> >> >> Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



> >> >> we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>



> >> >> "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



> >> >> as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



> >> >> the right time.



>



> >> >> "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



> >> >> upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



> >> >> people's faith.



> >> >> "



> >> >> Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



> >> >> exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



> >> >> date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



> >> >> yet.



>



> >> >> --------->



>



> >> >> jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



> >> >> not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



> >> >> during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



> >> >> he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



> >> >> became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



> >> >> religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



> >> >> holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.



>



> >> > They either had to abolish the non-Christian Winter Solstice celebrations



> >> > or hijack 'em . . . .



>



> >> > It's highly doubtful Jesus was sentenced and executed at the time of the



> >> > Spring Equinox, for that matter . . . .



>



> >> > Bonus points: Guess when Mithra was supposed to've been born and



> >> > died-and-resurrected?



>



> >> 9432 and 8174 B.C., respectively?



> >> --



> >> ah



>



> > Mithra was a myth.



>



> If true, does that not make the Big Bang a myth, also?



> --



> ah


Only if you don't believe in it.

Double-A

 
B

baxter

Guest
On Dec 13, 6:12?pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:


> Double-A wrote:



> > On Dec 12, 5:00 pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:



> >> mimus wrote:



> >> > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:36 -0800, baxter wrote:



>



> >> >> They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



> >> >> years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



> >> >> December 25.



>



> >> >> The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



> >> >> magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



> >> >> so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



> >> >> "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>



> >> >> If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



> >> >> Capricorn as previously believed.



>



> > So what? ?Jesus didn't believe in astrology!



>



> >> >> Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



> >> >> chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



> >> >> sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



> >> >> ago.



>



> >> >> It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



> >> >> Jesus's birth.



>



> >> >> Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



> >> >> had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



> >> >> birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>



> >> >> Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



> >> >> between 3BC and 1AD.



>



> >> >> Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



> >> >> pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



> >> >> constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>



> >> >> The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



> >> >> magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



> >> >> sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>



> >> >> "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



> >> >> the Bible.



>



> >> >> "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



> >> >> would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>



> >> >> "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



> >> >> the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>



> >> >> "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



> >> >> have from the time.



>



> >> >> "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



> >> >> sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.



>



> > If they mistook it, they wouldn't have been very wise, would they?



>



> >> >> "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



> >> >> planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



> >> >> star.



> >> >> "



> >> >> Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



> >> >> Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



> >> >> we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>



> >> >> "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



> >> >> as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



> >> >> the right time.



>



> >> >> "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



> >> >> upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



> >> >> people's faith.



> >> >> "



> >> >> Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



> >> >> exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



> >> >> date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



> >> >> yet.



>



> >> >> --------->



>



> >> >> jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



> >> >> not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



> >> >> during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



> >> >> he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



> >> >> became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



> >> >> religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



> >> >> holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.



>



> >> > They either had to abolish the non-Christian Winter Solstice celebrations



> >> > or hijack 'em . . . .



>



> >> > It's highly doubtful Jesus was sentenced and executed at the time of the



> >> > Spring Equinox, for that matter . . . .



>



> >> > Bonus points: Guess when Mithra was supposed to've been born and



> >> > died-and-resurrected?



>



> >> 9432 and 8174 B.C., respectively?



> >> --



> >> ah



>



> > Mithra was a myth.



>



> If true, does that not make the Big Bang a myth, also?



> --



> ah- Hide quoted text -



>



> - Show quoted text -


i heard a while ago that the universe is expanding. and the term for

that is blue shift. or it's getting smaller and which is called a red

shift. that last statement might be 7 ways of backwards. but it kinda

makes the big bang theory plausible.

- bax

 
A

ah

Guest
baxter wrote:


> On Dec 13, 6:12 pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:



>> Double-A wrote:



>> > On Dec 12, 5:00 pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:



>> >> mimus wrote:



>> >> > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:36 -0800, baxter wrote:



>>



>> >> >> They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



>> >> >> years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



>> >> >> December 25.



>>



>> >> >> The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



>> >> >> magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



>> >> >> so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



>> >> >> "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>>



>> >> >> If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



>> >> >> Capricorn as previously believed.



>>



>> > So what? Jesus didn't believe in astrology!



>>



>> >> >> Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



>> >> >> chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



>> >> >> sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



>> >> >> ago.



>>



>> >> >> It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



>> >> >> Jesus's birth.



>>



>> >> >> Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



>> >> >> had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



>> >> >> birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>>



>> >> >> Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



>> >> >> between 3BC and 1AD.



>>



>> >> >> Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



>> >> >> pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



>> >> >> constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>>



>> >> >> The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



>> >> >> magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



>> >> >> sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>>



>> >> >> "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



>> >> >> the Bible.



>>



>> >> >> "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



>> >> >> would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>>



>> >> >> "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



>> >> >> the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>>



>> >> >> "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



>> >> >> have from the time.



>>



>> >> >> "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



>> >> >> sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.



>>



>> > If they mistook it, they wouldn't have been very wise, would they?



>>



>> >> >> "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



>> >> >> planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



>> >> >> star.



>> >> >> "



>> >> >> Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



>> >> >> Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



>> >> >> we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>>



>> >> >> "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



>> >> >> as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



>> >> >> the right time.



>>



>> >> >> "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



>> >> >> upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



>> >> >> people's faith.



>> >> >> "



>> >> >> Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



>> >> >> exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



>> >> >> date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



>> >> >> yet.



>>



>> >> >> --------->



>>



>> >> >> jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



>> >> >> not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



>> >> >> during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



>> >> >> he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



>> >> >> became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



>> >> >> religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



>> >> >> holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.



>>



>> >> > They either had to abolish the non-Christian Winter Solstice celebrations



>> >> > or hijack 'em . . . .



>>



>> >> > It's highly doubtful Jesus was sentenced and executed at the time of the



>> >> > Spring Equinox, for that matter . . . .



>>



>> >> > Bonus points: Guess when Mithra was supposed to've been born and



>> >> > died-and-resurrected?



>>



>> >> 9432 and 8174 B.C., respectively?



>> >> --



>> >> ah



>>



>> > Mithra was a myth.



>>



>> If true, does that not make the Big Bang a myth, also?



>> --



>> ah- Hide quoted text -



>>



>> - Show quoted text -



>



> i heard a while ago that the universe is expanding. and the term for



> that is blue shift. or it's getting smaller and which is called a red


It all depends upon where and when you are.


> shift. that last statement might be 7 ways of backwards. but it kinda



> makes the big bang theory plausible.


Everything is plausible.

Even those things relegated to Mythdom.

--

ah

 
A

ah

Guest
Double-A wrote:


> On Dec 13, 4:12 pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:



>> Double-A wrote:



>> > On Dec 12, 5:00 pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:



>> >> mimus wrote:



>> >> > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:36 -0800, baxter wrote:



>>



>> >> >> They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



>> >> >> years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



>> >> >> December 25.



>>



>> >> >> The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



>> >> >> magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



>> >> >> so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



>> >> >> "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>>



>> >> >> If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



>> >> >> Capricorn as previously believed.



>>



>> > So what? Jesus didn't believe in astrology!



>>



>> >> >> Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



>> >> >> chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



>> >> >> sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



>> >> >> ago.



>>



>> >> >> It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



>> >> >> Jesus's birth.



>>



>> >> >> Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



>> >> >> had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



>> >> >> birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>>



>> >> >> Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



>> >> >> between 3BC and 1AD.



>>



>> >> >> Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



>> >> >> pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



>> >> >> constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>>



>> >> >> The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



>> >> >> magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



>> >> >> sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>>



>> >> >> "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



>> >> >> the Bible.



>>



>> >> >> "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



>> >> >> would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>>



>> >> >> "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



>> >> >> the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>>



>> >> >> "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



>> >> >> have from the time.



>>



>> >> >> "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



>> >> >> sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.



>>



>> > If they mistook it, they wouldn't have been very wise, would they?



>>



>> >> >> "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



>> >> >> planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



>> >> >> star.



>> >> >> "



>> >> >> Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



>> >> >> Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



>> >> >> we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>>



>> >> >> "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



>> >> >> as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



>> >> >> the right time.



>>



>> >> >> "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



>> >> >> upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



>> >> >> people's faith.



>> >> >> "



>> >> >> Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



>> >> >> exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



>> >> >> date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



>> >> >> yet.



>>



>> >> >> --------->



>>



>> >> >> jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



>> >> >> not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



>> >> >> during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



>> >> >> he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



>> >> >> became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



>> >> >> religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



>> >> >> holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.



>>



>> >> > They either had to abolish the non-Christian Winter Solstice celebrations



>> >> > or hijack 'em . . . .



>>



>> >> > It's highly doubtful Jesus was sentenced and executed at the time of the



>> >> > Spring Equinox, for that matter . . . .



>>



>> >> > Bonus points: Guess when Mithra was supposed to've been born and



>> >> > died-and-resurrected?



>>



>> >> 9432 and 8174 B.C., respectively?



>> >> --



>> >> ah



>>



>> > Mithra was a myth.



>>



>> If true, does that not make the Big Bang a myth, also?



>> --



>> ah



>



>



> Only if you don't believe in it.


So, reality is dependent upon individual belief-structure?

--

ah

 
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marika

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"ah" <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:4945aedf$0$33708$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...


> baxter wrote:



>>



>> i heard a while ago that the universe is expanding. and the term for



>> that is blue shift. or it's getting smaller and which is called a red


"or is it that they're all shifting, because of the Doppler effect, to the

infra-red? ...Alaric says that in our particular situation tea leaves are

much more reliable than cloud chambers. Yet why, after making the necessary

calculations, did he do that rain dance? "--the 28th Voyage of Ijon Tichy,

Stanislaw Lem


>



> It all depends upon where and when you are.



>



>> shift. that last statement might be 7 ways of backwards. but it kinda



>> makes the big bang theory plausible.



>



> Everything is plausible.



>



> Even those things relegated to Mythdom.


Yesterday, my dad had for dinner to quote him "not macaroni but and cheese"

mk5000

"small wonder that the United Shipyards of Aldebaran named their first three

stage rocket (Hors D'oeuvres, Entree, Dessert) after him. Today no one

looks twice at petit fours dashboards (elcttrotartlets), layer cake

condensers, macaroni insulation, marzipan soleoids, or cells with

ginberbread or alternating currants, or even windows made of rock candy,

though naturally not everyone goes in for suits of scrambled eggs, or

pillows of pumpkin pies and feather turnovers (they do make crumbs in bed).

....He was the one who invented beef jerky towlines, strudel bedsheets,

souffle quilts, as well as semolina noodle drive, he too was the first to

use Emmenthaler in radiators" - id

 
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"ah" <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:4945af04$0$33708$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanews.com...


>>



>> Only if you don't believe in it.



>



> So, reality is dependent upon individual belief-structure?



> --


this is exactly on target

I can vouch for it

mk5000

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19926754.200-the-blunders-that-led-to-financial-catastrophe.html

WHAT'S the quickest way to kill a bank? As recent events in the financial

world have shown, the answer is to deny them access to ready cash. Over the

past year, a string of banking institutions have found themselves in such a

"liquidity crisis": unable to convince the market they can honour their

promises to pay back money they owe. The result has been a series of

high-profile failures, from Northern Rock in the UK last year to Lehman

Brothers last week.

The crisis did not come without warning. Ten years ago this month, a giant

hedge fund called Long-Term Capital Management collapsed when it too

suffered a liquidity crisis. Yet banks and regulators seem not to have

heeded the lessons from this wake-up call by improving the mathematical

models that they use to manage their risk.

That raises two key questions. How did the risk modellers get it so wrong?

And what can they do to prevent similar crises in future?

Banks are vulnerable to liquidity crises because they borrow money that may

have to be repaid in the short term, and use it to back up more lucrative

longer-term investments. If depositors withdraw their money and other

lenders refuse to lend the bank the funds they need to replace it, the bank

ends up in trouble because it can't easily turn its long-term assets into

cash to make up the shortfall.

Banks pay enormous sums to lure researchers away from other areas of science

and set them to work building complex statistical models that supposedly

tell the bankers about the risks they are running. So why didn't they see

what was coming?

The answer lies partly in the nature of liquidity crises. "By definition

they are rare, extreme events, so all the models you rely on in normal times

don't work any more," says Michel Crouhy head of research and development at

the French investment bank Natixis, and author of a standard text on

financial risk management. What's more, each liquidity crisis is inevitably

different from its predecessors, not least because major crises provoke

changes in the shape of markets, regulations and the behaviour of players.

 
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"ah" <splifingate@gmail.com> wrote in message


>



> Double-A wrote:



>



> > Only if you don't believe in it.



>



> So, reality is dependent upon individual belief-structure?



> --



> ah


Yes !

In reality you are a Gay, "Deco-Slurper" !!

I believe this...

Your Pal,

HJ

 
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baxter

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On Dec 14, 7:12?pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:


> Double-A wrote:



> > On Dec 13, 4:12 pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:



> >> Double-A wrote:



> >> > On Dec 12, 5:00 pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:



> >> >> mimus wrote:



> >> >> > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:36 -0800, baxter wrote:



>



> >> >> >> They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



> >> >> >> years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



> >> >> >> December 25.



>



> >> >> >> The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



> >> >> >> magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



> >> >> >> so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



> >> >> >> "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>



> >> >> >> If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



> >> >> >> Capricorn as previously believed.



>



> >> > So what? ?Jesus didn't believe in astrology!



>



> >> >> >> Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



> >> >> >> chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



> >> >> >> sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



> >> >> >> ago.



>



> >> >> >> It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



> >> >> >> Jesus's birth.



>



> >> >> >> Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



> >> >> >> had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



> >> >> >> birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>



> >> >> >> Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



> >> >> >> between 3BC and 1AD.



>



> >> >> >> Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



> >> >> >> pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



> >> >> >> constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>



> >> >> >> The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



> >> >> >> magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



> >> >> >> sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>



> >> >> >> "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



> >> >> >> the Bible.



>



> >> >> >> "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



> >> >> >> would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>



> >> >> >> "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



> >> >> >> the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>



> >> >> >> "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



> >> >> >> have from the time.



>



> >> >> >> "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



> >> >> >> sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.



>



> >> > If they mistook it, they wouldn't have been very wise, would they?



>



> >> >> >> "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



> >> >> >> planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



> >> >> >> star.



> >> >> >> "



> >> >> >> Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



> >> >> >> Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



> >> >> >> we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>



> >> >> >> "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



> >> >> >> as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



> >> >> >> the right time.



>



> >> >> >> "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



> >> >> >> upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



> >> >> >> people's faith.



> >> >> >> "



> >> >> >> Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



> >> >> >> exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



> >> >> >> date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



> >> >> >> yet.



>



> >> >> >> --------->



>



> >> >> >> jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



> >> >> >> not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



> >> >> >> during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



> >> >> >> he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



> >> >> >> became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



> >> >> >> religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



> >> >> >> holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.



>



> >> >> > They either had to abolish the non-Christian Winter Solstice celebrations



> >> >> > or hijack 'em . . . .



>



> >> >> > It's highly doubtful Jesus was sentenced and executed at the time of the



> >> >> > Spring Equinox, for that matter . . . .



>



> >> >> > Bonus points: Guess when Mithra was supposed to've been born and



> >> >> > died-and-resurrected?



>



> >> >> 9432 and 8174 B.C., respectively?



> >> >> --



> >> >> ah



>



> >> > Mithra was a myth.



>



> >> If true, does that not make the Big Bang a myth, also?



> >> --



> >> ah



>



> > Only if you don't believe in it.



>



> So, reality is dependent upon individual belief-structure?



> --



> ah- Hide quoted text -



>



> - Show quoted text -


this is my new myspace status forever.

- bax

 
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Guest
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:11:04 -0800 (PST), Double-A

<double-a2@hush.com> wrote:


>On Dec 12, 5:00?pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:



>> mimus wrote:



>> > On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:00:36 -0800, baxter wrote:



>>



>> >> They found that a bright star which appeared over Bethlehem 2,000



>> >> years ago pinpointed the date of Christ's birth as June 17 rather than



>> >> December 25.



>>



>> >> The researchers claim the 'Christmas star' was most likely a



>> >> magnificent conjunction of the planets Venus and Jupiter, which were



>> >> so close together they would have shone unusually brightly as a single



>> >> "beacon of light" which appeared suddenly.



>>



>> >> If the team is correct, it would mean Jesus was a Gemini, not a



>> >> Capricorn as previously believed.



>



>



>So what? Jesus didn't believe in astrology!


only 'cause he was to caught up with numerology and smoking morocan

black.


>> >> Australian astronomer Dave Reneke used complex computer software to



>> >> chart the exact positions of all celestial bodies and map the night



>> >> sky as it would have appeared over the Holy Land more than 2,000 years



>> >> ago.



>>



>> >> It revealed a spectacular astronomical event around the time of



>> >> Jesus's birth.



>>



>> >> Mr Reneke says the wise men probably interpreted it as the sign they



>> >> had been waiting for, and they followed the 'star' to Christ's



>> >> birthplace in a stable in Bethlehem, as described in the Bible.



>>



>> >> Generally accepted research has placed the nativity to somewhere



>> >> between 3BC and 1AD.



>>



>> >> Using the St Matthew's Gospel as a reference point, Mr Reneke



>> >> pinpointed the planetary conjunction, which appeared in the



>> >> constellation of Leo, to the exact date of June 17 in the year 2BC.



>>



>> >> The astronomy lecturer, who is also news editor of Sky and Space



>> >> magazine, said: "We have software that can recreate exactly the night



>> >> sky as it was at any point in the last several thousand years.



>>



>> >> "We used it to go back to the time when Jesus was born, according to



>> >> the Bible.



>>



>> >> "Venus and Jupiter became very close in the the year 2BC and they



>> >> would have appeared to be one bright beacon of light.



>>



>> >> "We are not saying this was definitely the Christmas star - but it is



>> >> the strongest explanation for it of any I have seen so far.



>>



>> >> "There's no other explanation that so closely matches the facts we



>> >> have from the time.



>>



>> >> "This could well have been what the three wise men interpreted as a



>> >> sign. They could easily have mistaken it for one bright star.



>



>



>If they mistook it, they wouldn't have been very wise, would they?



>



>



>> >> "Astronomy is such a precise science, we can plot exactly where the



>> >> planets were, and it certainly seems this is the fabled Christmas



>> >> star.



>> >> "



>> >> Mr Reneke, formerly the chief lecturer at the Port Macquarie



>> >> Observatory in New South Wales, added: "December is an arbitrary date



>> >> we have accepted but it doesn't really mean that is when it happened.



>>



>> >> "This is not an attempt to decry religion. It's really backing it up



>> >> as it shows there really was a bright object appearing in the East at



>> >> the right time.



>>



>> >> "Often when we mix science with religion in this kind of forum, it can



>> >> upset people. In this case, I think this could serve to reinforce



>> >> people's faith.



>> >> "



>> >> Previous theories have speculated the star was a supernova - an



>> >> exploding star - or even a comet. But Mr Reneke says by narrowing the



>> >> date down, the technology has provided the most compelling explanation



>> >> yet.



>>



>> >> --------->



>>



>> >> jesus christ was born in june science will say. i believe it, why



>> >> not?? did someone just think that jesus christ should've been born



>> >> during the winter months?? why would someone change this about?? maybe



>> >> he wasn't known as truly important as he was when he grew up and



>> >> became super perfect. maybe this is why *** is ******. i wonder if the



>> >> religious people of the world will just say okay and switch around the



>> >> holiday, or will they get all uptight about it.



>>



>> > They either had to abolish the non-Christian Winter Solstice celebrations



>> > or hijack 'em . . . .



>>



>> > It's highly doubtful Jesus was sentenced and executed at the time of the



>> > Spring Equinox, for that matter . . . .



>>



>> > Bonus points: Guess when Mithra was supposed to've been born and



>> > died-and-resurrected?



>>



>> 9432 and 8174 B.C., respectively?



>> --



>> ah



>



>



>Mithra was a myth.



>



>Double-A


 
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