No-Nukers Sing a New Green Tune

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No-Nukers Sing a New Green Tune

By Harvey Wasserman
Created Nov 10 2007 - 11:05am

Bonnie Raitt, Jackson Browne and Graham Nash are again singing the praises
of solar energy. But it's a hard song for reactor backers now desperately
seeking more than $50 billion in federal loan guarantees.

The nuclear energy industry is selling "new generation" reactors as a cheap
fix for global warming. But a booming renewable energy industry now makes
the atomic option sound even more nonsensical than it did when the musicians
first sang "No Nukes" three decades ago.

At an October 23 press conference in Washington, Raitt, Browne and Nash
delivered 120,000 signatures demanding that Congress strip reactor loan
guarantees from this year's energy bill. The industry wants $25 billion in
2008, $25 billion more in 2009 and a blank check for the future. But the
rockers' rapid-fire Internet-based campaign--complete with a music
video--may have put a serious crimp in their plans.

Joined by Democratic Representatives Ed Markey and John Hall (a fellow
musician), backed by a wide range of environmental organizations and
gathering support through their NukeFree.org website, the three musicians
followed their press conference with a series of visits to Congressional
leadership and an intriguing new message.

In 1979, when Musicians United for Safe Energy (MUSE) staged a legendary
series of five concerts in Madison Square Garden (90,000 attended) and a
rally at Battery Park City (which drew 200,000), their argument was that
nuclear power was dangerous (Three Mile Island had just melted) and that
renewable energy would be cost-effective "someday soon."

Today, the musicians and their environmental cohorts can still say that
nuclear power has failed. But what's different is that the renewable energy
industry has come of age. "Wind power is booming," says Brian Parsons of the
National Renewable Energy Laboratory.

No new reactors are currently under construction in the United States. But
Parsons says about $6 billion worth of wind farms are in "various stages of
development," representing "between one and 1.5 years' worth at the current
pace," a number that towers over what was happening thirty years ago.
Worldwide, the industry is in the $15 billion range annually, according to
the American Wind Energy Association. With turbines costing less than $2
million a megawatt, and with fuel perpetually free (operation and
maintenance costs run about 5 percent per year), wind energy can leave
nuclear reactors in the radioactive dust.

The same can now be said for photovoltaic (PV) cells. Major breakthroughs in
amorphous (flexible) applications have allowed American factories to pour
out ever-cheaper roofing laminates that can power the buildings on which
they sit. Assembly lines longer than football fields now produce them by the
mile, at production costs that continue to plummet.

The Michigan-based United Solar Ovonic claims to have doubled its annualized
production capacity in the past year to fifty-eight megawatts and will have
another threefold expansion by the end of next year. Company officials
predict the capital cost of machines to be $150 million, for an annual
capacity of 100 megawatts. Industry experts predict an annual market of more
than ten gigawatts in 2012, the equivalent of ten nukes per year. The cost
of solar electricity is coming down rapidly, according to Ovonic, and with
"suitable infusion of money to build new plants," industry experts and
Energy Department officials predict "grid parity" by 2015, the very earliest
new reactors could come on line under optimum conditions.

Part of the new economic advantage of PV cells comes from the fact that they
can be installed on the rooftops and south-facing walls of buildings that
use their energy, thus avoiding transmission costs from central power
stations, which can be extremely high.

Other solar technologies, such as desert-based "power towers" and concave
"trough mirror" farms, have proved themselves over the past two decades to
the point that investors are lining up to build new ones. These long lines
of mirror arrays focus sunlight on multiple tubes of heat-exchanging liquid,
have run successfully at nine large farms since the 1980s.

Millions of new investment dollars are also pouring into biofuels,
ocean-wave generators, geothermal devices and more. Each has technical,
financial and even ecological problems. But the message is clear: the
renewable energy industry is in the process of achieving liftoff.

By contrast, say the nuke-free organizers and their green cohorts, the
atomic reactor business is mired in hype. Some things about it have not
changed since 1979. Most important, there is no solution to the radioactive
waste problem. Nevada's Yucca Mountain dump is as unlicensed now as it was
during the MUSE concerts. What's different is that Harry Reid, an adamant
Yucca foe, is now Senate majority leader.

Also new is the legacy of September 11. The prospect of terror attacks was
always high on the list of reasons to oppose atomic energy. But the first
jet that flew into the World Trade Center passed over the three reactors
(two active, one retired) at Indian Point, forty-five miles north of
Manhattan.

The nuclear industry vehemently denies Indian Point's containment domes
could have been penetrated. But the aging, rickety complex remains supremely
vulnerable in myriad ways, as do dozens of other reactors around the globe.
Despite claims of "inherent safety," no private insurer will take the
liability risk for a major reactor disaster, past or future, with old
reactors or new. After fifty years, responsibility still reverts to the
taxpayer, now and for the foreseeable future.
The industry needs federal loan guarantees because it can't get private
investors any more easily than it can find private insurers.

The Nuclear Energy Institute (NEI), the industry's PR front group, says
atomic energy is cheaper than renewables, but it can only do so by
downplaying the "intangible" costs of radioactive fuel production and waste
disposal, human error and terror attacks, heat and radioactive emissions and
much more. The NEI also claims net gains in fighting global warming, but it
would posit hundreds of reactors to do so even under optimal circumstances.
Amory Lovins's Rocky Mountain Institute has shown that a dollar spent on
increased conservation can save seven times more energy than a dollar spent
on nuclear power can produce.

The NEI also says new reactors can be built for $4 billion to $5 billion, in
five years or less. But atomic energy's history is defined by massive delays
and overruns. The cost of New Hampshire's Seabrook nuclear power plant went
from $250 million for two reactors in the 1960s to $7 billion for one that
opened in 1989. Scores of other "first generation" plants came on line
horrifically late and wildly over budget.

The industry likes to blame all that on protesters. And the wide range of
environmental groups and the tens of thousands still signing Raitt, Browne
and Nash's NukeFree.org petition make it clear that even after all these
years, they are not going away.

But the industry is also building its first "new generation" plant in
Finland. Barely two years since ground was broken, it is nearly two years
behind schedule and $2 billion over budget. Small wonder a green power
industry that was barely an embryo in 1979 now sings a song that sounds a
lot like success.
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government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are
suffering deeply in spirit,
and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public
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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:09:53 -0800, "Gandalf Grey"
<gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote:

>No-Nukers Sing a New Green Tune
>
>By Harvey Wasserman
>Created Nov 10 2007 - 11:05am
>
>Bonnie Raitt, Jackson Browne and Graham Nash are again singing the praises
>of solar energy. But it's a hard song for reactor backers now desperately
>seeking more than $50 billion in federal loan guarantees.
>
>The nuclear energy industry is selling "new generation" reactors as a cheap
>fix for global warming. But a booming renewable energy industry now makes
>the atomic option sound even more nonsensical than it did when the musicians
>first sang "No Nukes" three decades ago.


Hey, we can all cook our spoonfull of congealed
bean curd goo over a nice dried-out cow patty -
no nukes required !!! :)

Oddly, France gets about 80% of its electric power
from nuclear energy and they've had no problems
with it. If the frogs can do it WE can do it !
 
On Nov 13, 11:09 am, "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com>
wrote:
> No-Nukers Sing a New Green Tune
>
> By Harvey Wasserman
> Created Nov 10 2007 - 11:05am
>
> Bonnie Raitt, Jackson Browne and Graham Nash are again singing the praises
> of solar energy.



That's because they think that clean cut young men with thick glasses
make solar panels in pastel-walled Silicon Valley offices, without
generating any waste or using any energy, and so well that the panels
never need replacing.

In truth, making a panel is similar to making a .... you guessed
it .... semiconductor. Ever been to a wafer fab? Any idea how much
energy or labor they use, or what god-awful chemicals they use? And
what happens after someone uses god-awful chemicals? They _dispose_
of god-awful chemicals. Even before that, someone has to manufacture
said god-awful chemicals, usually with god-awful byproducts.

Then there's the inherent limitation of a PV cell. No, it's not that
we use of the photoelectric effect inefficiently. It's our part of
the sun's energy being spread along half the earth's surface. High
energy, low energy density. So you need lots and lots of panels,
which translate to manufacturing energy, chemicals, waste, space, and
ultimately more money than people will pay for electricity.


> But it's a hard song for reactor backers now desperately
> seeking more than $50 billion in federal loan guarantees.



And I suppose the green folks won't ask the govt for anything, right?


> The nuclear energy industry is selling "new generation" reactors as a cheap
> fix for global warming.



Which is exactly what they are. You wanted a way to stop greenhouse
gasses. You get one that really really works, and all you do is
complain.


> But a booming renewable energy industry now makes the atomic option
> sound even more nonsensical than it did when the musicians first sang
> "No Nukes" three decades ago.



It _sounds_ like you substitute charged words for facts. You can't
tell us exactly how green energy is "booming," but you can use the
word "booming," call nuke power "nonsensical," and refer to your
singer friends.

And by the way, what have they been doing for the past 30 years? They
said there were clean alternatives to nuclear power, so what
happened? Where'd they all go?


> At an October 23 press conference in Washington, Raitt, Browne and Nash
> delivered 120,000 signatures demanding that Congress strip reactor loan
> guarantees from this year's energy bill. The industry wants $25 billion in



Can you guess what an energy bill is intended to do? Facilitate
energy production. The _industry_ that you continually characterize
as eeeeevil still generates energy, cost-effectively, without throwing
up CO2. They don't just say it can be done in some distant
hypertopian future. They actually do it. Right now.


> 2008, $25 billion more in 2009 and a blank check for the future. But the



You mean they couldn't say how much they'd ask for in the future.


[...]
> nuclear power was dangerous (Three Mile Island had just melted) and that
> renewable energy would be cost-effective "someday soon."



Melted? Read Wikipedia's account of three-mile island and see if it
compares at all to Chernobyl.


> Today, the musicians and their environmental cohorts can still say that
> nuclear power has failed.



More plant operators and submariners would disagree, and with more
evidence to back their positions.


> But what's different is that the renewable energy industry has come of
> age. "Wind power is booming," says Brian Parsons of the National
> Renewable Energy Laboratory.
>
> No new reactors are currently under construction in the United States. But
> Parsons says about $6 billion worth of wind farms are in "various stages of
> development," representing "between one and 1.5 years' worth at the current
> pace," a number that towers over what was happening thirty years ago.
> Worldwide, the industry is in the $15 billion range annually, according to
> the American Wind Energy Association. With turbines costing less than $2
> million a megawatt, and with fuel perpetually free (operation and



For what size turbine? Three-megawatt turbines? Those are typically
the largest you'll see. And just the turbine or the battery pack that
goes with it?

Don't forget the battery pack. Batteries must also be recycled, and
when they wear out, they become profoundly hazardous waste.

Mind you, heavy metals have no half-life. Radioactive material
eventually loses its radioactivity, albeit over tens of thousands of
years. Cadmium will always be cadmium, and it will always be toxic.

But giving you the benefit, let us compare. A typical coal or nuke-
fired regional power plant kicks out about 1,200 mW. Matching this
would take 400 3-mW wind turbines. At $2 million per mW, that's $2.4
billion.

By contrast, you cite one example of a cost overrun whereby a plant
wound up costing $7 million.

Here's another contrast. 1-gW nuke plants are commonplace, but is
there a 1-gW wind farm? It appears that the best example you could
find was a company in Michigan that generates a grand total of 33 mW.
If that's booming, I'd hate to see a lull.


> maintenance costs run about 5 percent per year), wind energy can leave
> nuclear reactors in the radioactive dust.



Actually, your own reference predicts that wind energy may start
leaving nuke energy behind in 2012.


[...]
> By contrast, say the nuke-free organizers and their green cohorts, the
> atomic reactor business is mired in hype.


And electricity.


> Most important, there is no solution to the radioactive waste problem.
> Nevada's Yucca Mountain dump



Here's an interesting question. If that waste isn't entombed at
Yucca, where is it?

It's scattered around the US at various storage facilities, waiting
for final disposal while you all sing your songs and carry your
signs.

AQ's henchmen can't blast a hole in the side of a mountain without
someone noticing, but they can break into a nuke storage depot. Think
about that during your next candlelight vigil.


[...]
> Also new is the legacy of September 11. The prospect of terror attacks was
> always high on the list of reasons to oppose atomic energy. But the first
> jet that flew into the World Trade Center passed over the three reactors
> (two active, one retired) at Indian Point, forty-five miles north of
> Manhattan.

[...]

> But the industry is also building its first "new generation" plant in
> Finland. Barely two years since ground was broken, it is nearly two years
> behind schedule and $2 billion over budget. Small wonder a green power
> industry that was barely an embryo in 1979 now sings a song that sounds a
> lot like success.

[...]


Sounding like success doesn't quite cut it. For success, you need
lots and lots of electricity. Nuke can make it. Green stuff may be
able to make it, around 2012, they think.
 
Matt Rantis wrote:

> That's because they think that clean cut young men with thick glasses
> make solar panels in pastel-walled Silicon Valley offices, without
> generating any waste or using any energy, and so well that the panels
> never need replacing.
>
> In truth, making a panel is similar to making a .... you guessed
> it .... semiconductor. Ever been to a wafer fab?


Yes.

> Any idea how much energy


Petawatts per second. What's your point?

Oh, you think that making a solar panel costs more energy than it will
absorb over its lifespan. If so, then maybe we should research how to make
them more efficient, and how to efficiently use other solar collectors.

We can easily improve the system by not making solar panels in
general-purpose chip fabs. A special-purpose fab could use the most
efficient equipment at each station - equipment that could not repurpose to
do integrated circuits.

> or labor they use,


Hiring people is bad? Are you a Republican?

> or what god-awful chemicals they use?


They send them thru a "scrubber" on their way up.

I don't know about the solid and liquid wastes, but, in general, fabs don't
smell horrible, like any refinery does.

> Then there's the inherent limitation of a PV cell. No, it's not that
> we use of the photoelectric effect inefficiently. It's our part of
> the sun's energy being spread along half the earth's surface. High
> energy, low energy density. So you need lots and lots of panels,
> which translate to manufacturing energy, chemicals, waste, space, and
> ultimately more money than people will pay for electricity.


To survive Peak Oil (in more ways than one), we will need multiple efforts,
in multiple realms. When the times come to pick our poisons, we can have
higher cancer rates from the wastes from nukes, or from fabs, or from
refineries.

A good analogy for these efforts are the Tennessee Valley Authority, or the
Hoover Dam. In response to the last Great Depression, we exploited our
natural reserves to rescue the most vulnerable - the working classes.

We have modern natural resources to tap, for similar projects.

One aspect of these efforts should be standardizing, regulating, and
securing our nukes. Batteries of small, self-contained, and efficient nukes
would work better than our previous model, where each nuke is also a
research project, often with tangled plumbing that nobody understands.

Another regulatory effort would prevent our cat-and-mouse games regarding
which nukes are for power, and which for enriching uranium. That would
prevent politicians from using nukes as political footballs, and it would
help scientists get over their god-complexes. This, in turn, would help the
libby-rals stop conflating nuclear power with nuclear weapons.

--
Phlip
 
> It's scattered around the US at various storage facilities, waiting
> for final disposal while you all sing your songs and carry your
> signs.
>
> AQ's henchmen can't blast a hole in the side of a mountain without
> someone noticing, but they can break into a nuke storage depot. Think
> about that during your next candlelight vigil.


With the recent spate of "accidents" and "suicides" regarding our nuclear
plants and bombs, it's not Al-Qaeda I'm worried about, there!

--
Phlip
 
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