Guest MarkA Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive people can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To test his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the tools that would have been available to the civilization in question , demonstrates that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, etc. IOW, he actually builds something similar, using only primitive technology. There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb mountains in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't it make more sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the Ark would even be possible? The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only the hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size described in the bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and demonstrate that it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair of every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact with the outside world for about two months or so. Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the ark is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even have a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern construction techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't count. Build one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. -- MarkA (this space accidentally filled in) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Llanzlan Klazmon Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in news:pan.2006.08.27.21.50.08.374038@nowhere.com: > I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an > anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive people > can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To test > his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the tools > that would have been available to the civilization in question , > demonstrates that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, > etc. IOW, he actually builds something similar, using only primitive > technology. > > There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among > other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. > Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb mountains > in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't it make > more sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the Ark would > even be possible? > > The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only the > hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size described in > the bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and demonstrate > that it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair > of every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact with > the outside world for about two months or so. > > Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the ark > is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even > have a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in > the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern > construction techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't > count. Build one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. > Whether or not a boat could be built the the specifications of Noahs Arc is beside the point anyway. The Egyptian old kingdom continued right through the claimed global flood event. There is no evidence of any global flood having actually occurred and direct evidence against it. Klazmon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wcb Posted August 27, 2006 Share Posted August 27, 2006 MarkA wrote: > I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an > anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive people > can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To test > his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the tools that > would have been available to the civilization in question , demonstrates > that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, etc. IOW, he > actually builds something similar, using only primitive technology. > > There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among > other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. > Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb mountains in > the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't it make more > sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the Ark would even > be possible? > > The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only the > hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size described in the > bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and demonstrate that > it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair of > every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact with the > outside world for about two months or so. > > Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the ark > is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even have > a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in the > midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern construction > techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't count. Build one > the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. > Problem is, a boat the size of the ark today would cost tens of millions. -- Where did all these braindead morons come from! What diseased sewer did they breed in and how did they manage to find their way out on their own? Cheerful Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ronald 'More-More' Moshki Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 Sewer people were raised in Bile-Ball City, Korank-i-stan. wcb wrote: > MarkA wrote: > > > I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an > > anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive people > > can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To test > > his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the tools that > > would have been available to the civilization in question , demonstrates > > that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, etc. IOW, he > > actually builds something similar, using only primitive technology. > > > > There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among > > other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. > > Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb mountains in > > the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't it make more > > sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the Ark would even > > be possible? > > > > The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only the > > hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size described in the > > bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and demonstrate that > > it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair of > > every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact with the > > outside world for about two months or so. > > > > Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the ark > > is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even have > > a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in the > > midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern construction > > techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't count. Build one > > the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. > > > > Problem is, a boat the size of the ark today would cost > tens of millions. > > > -- > > Where did all these braindead morons come from! > What diseased sewer did they breed in and how did > they manage to find their way out on their own? > > Cheerful Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trip 6 Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 "wcb" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message news:12f49olqujn2q7d@corp.supernews.com... > MarkA wrote: > > > I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an > > anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive people > > can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To test > > his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the tools that > > would have been available to the civilization in question , demonstrates > > that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, etc. IOW, he > > actually builds something similar, using only primitive technology. > > > > There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among > > other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. > > Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb mountains in > > the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't it make more > > sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the Ark would even > > be possible? > > > > The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only the > > hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size described in the > > bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and demonstrate that > > it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair of > > every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact with the > > outside world for about two months or so. > > > > Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the ark > > is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even have > > a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in the > > midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern construction > > techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't count. Build one > > the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. > > > > Problem is, a boat the size of the ark today would cost > tens of millions. Try eBay, sure, it might be used, but so is this myth. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Painter Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 wcb wrote: > MarkA wrote: > >> > > Problem is, a boat the size of the ark today would cost > tens of millions. So? It would be well within the money collected by any number of churches. Further labor and equipment could be donated. The number of contractors at these churches seem large. They could also build scale models that were not 2x4's. They could do it on the cheap with a swimming pool half filled with tropical reef fish. Then fill to the top with cold fresh muddy water and keep all the reef fish alive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarkA Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 18:12:54 -0500, wcb wrote: > MarkA wrote: > >> I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an >> anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive people >> can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To test >> his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the tools >> that would have been available to the civilization in question , >> demonstrates that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, >> etc. IOW, he actually builds something similar, using only primitive >> technology. >> >> There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among >> other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. >> Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb mountains >> in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't it make >> more sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the Ark would >> even be possible? >> >> The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only the >> hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size described in >> the bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and demonstrate >> that it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair >> of every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact with >> the outside world for about two months or so. >> >> Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the ark >> is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even >> have a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in >> the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern >> construction techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't >> count. Build one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. >> >> > Problem is, a boat the size of the ark today would cost tens of millions. I forgot. Most organized religions are teetering on the brink of insolvency. -- MarkA (this space accidentally filled in) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarkA Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:19:00 +1200, Llanzlan Klazmon wrote: > MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in > news:pan.2006.08.27.21.50.08.374038@nowhere.com: > >> I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an >> anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive people >> can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To test >> his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the tools >> that would have been available to the civilization in question , >> demonstrates that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, >> etc. IOW, he actually builds something similar, using only primitive >> technology. >> >> There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among >> other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. >> Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb mountains >> in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't it make >> more sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the Ark would >> even be possible? >> >> The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only the >> hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size described in >> the bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and demonstrate >> that it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair >> of every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact with >> the outside world for about two months or so. >> >> Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the ark >> is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even >> have a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in >> the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern >> construction techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't >> count. Build one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. >> >> > Whether or not a boat could be built the the specifications of Noahs Arc > is beside the point anyway. The Egyptian old kingdom continued right > through the claimed global flood event. There is no evidence of any global > flood having actually occurred and direct evidence against it. > > Klazmon. There are dozens of reasons why the myth of Noah's Ark couldn't be true. That being said, it would still be great fun to watch the fundies actually try to build one. -- MarkA (this space accidentally filled in) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave Oldridge Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in news:pan.2006.08.27.21.50.08.374038@nowhere.com: > I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an > anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive > people can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. > To test his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the > tools that would have been available to the civilization in question , > demonstrates that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, > etc. IOW, he actually builds something similar, using only primitive > technology. > > There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among > other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. > Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb > mountains in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't > it make more sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the > Ark would even be possible? > > The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only > the hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size described > in the bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and > demonstrate that it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they > should put a pair of every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and > have no contact with the outside world for about two months or so. You won't get permission for this step. It's cruelty to animals. You could, of course, substitute an equivalent mass of creationists who would then be in a position to terminate the experiment if they felt uncomfortable. > Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the > ark is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't > even have a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some > church in the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using > modern construction techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That > doesn't count. Build one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. With the above change, I'm all for it. But they must remain afloat for one year and must not call for help. If they do, then the experiment is a failure. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave Oldridge Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 wcb <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in news:12f49olqujn2q7d@corp.supernews.com: > MarkA wrote: > >> I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an >> anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive >> people can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. >> To test his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only >> the tools that would have been available to the civilization in >> question , demonstrates that a monolith can be erected, the stones >> can be moved, etc. IOW, he actually builds something similar, using >> only primitive technology. >> >> There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among >> other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. >> Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb >> mountains in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, >> wouldn't it make more sense to begin by demonstrating that >> construction of the Ark would even be possible? >> >> The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only >> the hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size >> described in the bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, >> and demonstrate that it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they >> should put a pair of every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and >> have no contact with the outside world for about two months or so. >> >> Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the >> ark is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't >> even have a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some >> church in the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using >> modern construction techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That >> doesn't count. Build one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. >> > > Problem is, a boat the size of the ark today would cost > tens of millions. A WOODEN boat the size of the ark wouldn't. But that's because it wouldn't work. A wooden hull that size would break in two in even a small gale. -- Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bob young Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 MarkA wrote: > I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an > anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive people > can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To test > his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the tools that > would have been available to the civilization in question , demonstrates > that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, etc. IOW, he > actually builds something similar, using only primitive technology. > > There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among > other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. > Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb mountains in > the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't it make more > sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the Ark would even > be possible? > > The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only the > hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size described in the > bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and demonstrate that > it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair of > every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact with the > outside world for about two months or so. > > Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the ark > is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even have > a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in the > midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern construction > techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't count. Build one > the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. Total waste of time, an ounce of common sense shows the whole story to be a primitive myth. How did kangaroos reach the ark? > > > -- > MarkA > (this space accidentally filled in) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bob young Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 MarkA wrote: > On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:19:00 +1200, Llanzlan Klazmon wrote: > > > MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in > > news:pan.2006.08.27.21.50.08.374038@nowhere.com: > > > >> I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an > >> anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive people > >> can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To test > >> his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the tools > >> that would have been available to the civilization in question , > >> demonstrates that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, > >> etc. IOW, he actually builds something similar, using only primitive > >> technology. > >> > >> There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among > >> other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. > >> Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb mountains > >> in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't it make > >> more sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the Ark would > >> even be possible? > >> > >> The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only the > >> hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size described in > >> the bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and demonstrate > >> that it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair > >> of every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact with > >> the outside world for about two months or so. > >> > >> Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the ark > >> is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even > >> have a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in > >> the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern > >> construction techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't > >> count. Build one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. > >> > >> > > Whether or not a boat could be built the the specifications of Noahs Arc > > is beside the point anyway. The Egyptian old kingdom continued right > > through the claimed global flood event. There is no evidence of any global > > flood having actually occurred and direct evidence against it. > > > > Klazmon. > > There are dozens of reasons why the myth of Noah's Ark couldn't be true. > That being said, it would still be great fun to watch the fundies actually > try to build one. Including a full compliment of animals in the right temperature for the region a mean of around 30 degrees C, after a couple of days, the smell would drive every living creature into the water > > > -- > MarkA > (this space accidentally filled in) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johac Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 In article <pan.2006.08.27.21.50.08.374038@nowhere.com>, MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote: > I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an > anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive people > can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To test > his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the tools that > would have been available to the civilization in question , demonstrates > that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, etc. IOW, he > actually builds something similar, using only primitive technology. > > There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among > other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. > Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb mountains in > the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't it make more > sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the Ark would even > be possible? > > The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only the > hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size described in the > bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and demonstrate that > it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair of > every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact with the > outside world for about two months or so. One problem is that some of the more rabid fundies claim that Noah had ALL 'kinds' on board, existing and extinct including dinosaurs. I think that they would have problems finding a T. Rex or a Diplodicus these days. > > Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the ark > is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even have > a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in the > midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern construction > techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't count. Build one > the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. And build it in the middle of a Middle East desert using only materials available in that region that were also available to Noah including 'gopher wood' whatever that was supposed to be. -- John Hachmann aa #1782 "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" -Voltaire Contact - Throw a .net over the .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ZenIsWhen Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 "MarkA" <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:pan.2006.08.27.21.50.08.374038@nowhere.com... >I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an > anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive people > can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To test > his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the tools that > would have been available to the civilization in question , demonstrates > that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, etc. IOW, he > actually builds something similar, using only primitive technology. > > There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among > other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. > Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb mountains in > the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't it make more > sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the Ark would even > be possible? The ark isn't the same as an immobile structure. Sure, it can be built - but it CANNOT hold the creatures claimed in the bible - and it cannot, sucessfully, float! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zukiman Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 William Shakespeare wrote the "Old Testament". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Stec Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 28 August 2006 12:07 am MarkA perhaps from toor@nowhere.com wrote: > On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:19:00 +1200, Llanzlan Klazmon wrote: > >> MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in >> news:pan.2006.08.27.21.50.08.374038@nowhere.com: >> >>> I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an >>> anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive >>> people >>> can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To >>> test his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the >>> tools that would have been available to the civilization in >>> question , demonstrates that a monolith can be erected, the stones >>> can be moved, >>> etc. IOW, he actually builds something similar, using only >>> primitive technology. >>> >>> There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, >>> among other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually >>> correct. Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to >>> climb mountains in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, >>> wouldn't it make more sense to begin by demonstrating that >>> construction of the Ark would even be possible? >>> >>> The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only >>> the hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size >>> described in >>> the bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and >>> demonstrate >>> that it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a >>> pair of every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no >>> contact with the outside world for about two months or so. >>> >>> Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the >>> ark >>> is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even >>> have a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church >>> in the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern >>> construction techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't >>> count. Build one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. >>> >>> >> Whether or not a boat could be built the the specifications of Noahs >> Arc is beside the point anyway. The Egyptian old kingdom continued >> right through the claimed global flood event. There is no evidence of >> any global flood having actually occurred and direct evidence against >> it. >> >> Klazmon. > > There are dozens of reasons why the myth of Noah's Ark couldn't be > true. That being said, it would still be great fun to watch the > fundies actually try to build one. > They have actually. And they failed as many times as they tried. Still they use as the excuse of their failure and pin their hopes upon "gopher wood" an unknown substance that just had to have properties our present and degraded wood just doesn't have. -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Stec Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 27 August 2006 7:12 pm wcb perhaps from wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com wrote: > MarkA wrote: > >> I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an >> anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive >> people >> can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To >> test his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the >> tools that would have been available to the civilization in >> question , demonstrates >> that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, etc. IOW, >> he actually builds something similar, using only primitive >> technology. >> >> There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among >> other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. >> Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb >> mountains in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, >> wouldn't it make more sense to begin by demonstrating that >> construction of the Ark would even be possible? >> >> The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only >> the hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size >> described in the >> bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and demonstrate >> that >> it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair of >> every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact with >> the outside world for about two months or so. >> >> Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the >> ark >> is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even >> have >> a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in >> the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern >> construction >> techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't count. Build >> one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. >> > > Problem is, a boat the size of the ark today would cost > tens of millions. > > And the fundies could sell half a block in downtown Orlando, Fl and easily raise that kind of money. They don't put their money where their mouth is, simply because they know deep down, the whole story is unreasonable. Yet a few organizations have tried to make an ark, and reportedly failed. Where is that gopher wood when you need it? -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Stec Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 28 August 2006 1:34 am bob young perhaps from alaspectrum@netvigator.com wrote: > > > MarkA wrote: > >> I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an >> anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive >> people >> can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To >> test his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the >> tools that would have been available to the civilization in >> question , demonstrates >> that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, etc. IOW, >> he actually builds something similar, using only primitive >> technology. >> >> There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among >> other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. >> Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb >> mountains in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, >> wouldn't it make more sense to begin by demonstrating that >> construction of the Ark would even be possible? >> >> The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only >> the hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size >> described in the >> bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and demonstrate >> that >> it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair of >> every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact with >> the outside world for about two months or so. >> >> Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the >> ark >> is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even >> have >> a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in >> the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern >> construction >> techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't count. Build >> one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. > > Total waste of time, an ounce of common sense shows the whole story to > be a primitive myth. > > How did kangaroos reach the ark? > It was just a hop, skip and jump away. Stones can skip over water. Why not kangaroos? >> >> >> -- >> MarkA >> (this space accidentally filled in) -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Denis Loubet Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 "Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message news:Xns982CDD7134FC4doldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159... > MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in > news:pan.2006.08.27.21.50.08.374038@nowhere.com: > >> I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an >> anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive >> people can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. >> To test his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the >> tools that would have been available to the civilization in question , >> demonstrates that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, >> etc. IOW, he actually builds something similar, using only primitive >> technology. >> >> There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among >> other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. >> Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb >> mountains in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't >> it make more sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the >> Ark would even be possible? >> >> The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only >> the hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size described >> in the bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and >> demonstrate that it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they >> should put a pair of every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and >> have no contact with the outside world for about two months or so. > > You won't get permission for this step. It's cruelty to animals. Don't worry, the test would never get that far. > You > could, of course, substitute an equivalent mass of creationists who would > then be in a position to terminate the experiment if they felt > uncomfortable. That's a suitable change. >> Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the >> ark is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't >> even have a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some >> church in the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using >> modern construction techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That >> doesn't count. Build one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. > > With the above change, I'm all for it. But they must remain afloat for > one year and must not call for help. If they do, then the experiment is > a failure. I suspect the floating time would be measured in negative numbers. The thing would breakup before they got it all in the water. -- Denis Loubet dloubet@io.com http://www.io.com/~dloubet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarkA Posted August 28, 2006 Share Posted August 28, 2006 On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:57:31 -0500, Denis Loubet wrote: > > "Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message > news:Xns982CDD7134FC4doldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159... >> MarkA <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in >> news:pan.2006.08.27.21.50.08.374038@nowhere.com: >> >>> I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an >>> anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive >>> people can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. >>> To test his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the >>> tools that would have been available to the civilization in question , >>> demonstrates that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, >>> etc. IOW, he actually builds something similar, using only primitive >>> technology. >>> >>> There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among >>> other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. >>> Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb mountains >>> in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't it make >>> more sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the Ark would >>> even be possible? >>> >>> The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only the >>> hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size described in >>> the bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and >>> demonstrate that it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they >>> should put a pair of every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and >>> have no contact with the outside world for about two months or so. >> >> You won't get permission for this step. It's cruelty to animals. > > Don't worry, the test would never get that far. > >> You >> could, of course, substitute an equivalent mass of creationists who >> would then be in a position to terminate the experiment if they felt >> uncomfortable. > > That's a suitable change. > >>> Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the >>> ark is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't >>> even have a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some >>> church in the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using >>> modern construction techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That >>> doesn't count. Build one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. >> >> With the above change, I'm all for it. But they must remain afloat for >> one year and must not call for help. If they do, then the experiment is >> a failure. > > I suspect the floating time would be measured in negative numbers. The > thing would breakup before they got it all in the water. It seems that many theists are not familiar with the concept of "scaling phenomena." Just because a small river barge works in a river, doesn't mean that a really, really BIG river barge would work in an ocean. -- MarkA (still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bob young Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 Darrell Stec wrote: > After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 28 August 2006 1:34 am > bob young perhaps from alaspectrum@netvigator.com wrote: > > > > > > > MarkA wrote: > > > >> I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an > >> anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive > >> people > >> can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To > >> test his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the > >> tools that would have been available to the civilization in > >> question , demonstrates > >> that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, etc. IOW, > >> he actually builds something similar, using only primitive > >> technology. > >> > >> There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among > >> other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. > >> Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb > >> mountains in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, > >> wouldn't it make more sense to begin by demonstrating that > >> construction of the Ark would even be possible? > >> > >> The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using only > >> the hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size > >> described in the > >> bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and demonstrate > >> that > >> it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair of > >> every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact with > >> the outside world for about two months or so. > >> > >> Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of the > >> ark > >> is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't even > >> have > >> a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in > >> the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern > >> construction > >> techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't count. Build > >> one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. > > > > Total waste of time, an ounce of common sense shows the whole story to > > be a primitive myth. > > > > How did kangaroos reach the ark? > > > > It was just a hop, skip and jump away. Stones can skip over water. Why > not kangaroos? Idiot > > > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> MarkA > >> (this space accidentally filled in) > > -- > Later, > Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr.com > > Webpage Sorcery > http://webpagesorcery.com > We Put the Magic in Your Webpages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael Gray Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:08:38 -0400, Darrell Stec <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote: - Refer: <4lgm8nF1qlmtU3@individual.net> >After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 28 August 2006 1:34 am >bob young perhaps from alaspectrum@netvigator.com wrote: > >> >> >> MarkA wrote: : >> How did kangaroos reach the ark? >> > >It was just a hop, skip and jump away. Stones can skip over water. Why >not kangaroos? Koalas and Wombats would have had a trifle more trouble joining in on the mythical mayhem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Stec Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 28 August 2006 9:01 pm bob young perhaps from alaspectrum@netvigator.com wrote: > > > Darrell Stec wrote: > >> After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 28 August 2006 1:34 >> am bob young perhaps from alaspectrum@netvigator.com wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > MarkA wrote: >> > >> >> I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an >> >> anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive >> >> people >> >> can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To >> >> test his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only >> >> the tools that would have been available to the civilization in >> >> question , demonstrates >> >> that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, etc. >> >> IOW, he actually builds something similar, using only primitive >> >> technology. >> >> >> >> There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, >> >> among other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually >> >> correct. Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to >> >> climb mountains in the Middle East, looking for remains of the >> >> Ark, wouldn't it make more sense to begin by demonstrating that >> >> construction of the Ark would even be possible? >> >> >> >> The theists should collect a small group of people, and, using >> >> only the hand tools that Noah had, actually build an ark the size >> >> described in the >> >> bible. Once built, they should put it in the water, and >> >> demonstrate that >> >> it can stay afloat for a few months. Then, they should put a pair >> >> of every "kind" of animal aboard, close it up, and have no contact >> >> with the outside world for about two months or so. >> >> >> >> Once that is done, they will have demonstrated that the story of >> >> the ark >> >> is possible , no matter how improbable. Right now, they don't >> >> even have >> >> a demonstration of the possibility. I believe that some church in >> >> the midwest is building a replica of the ark, but using modern >> >> construction >> >> techniques (concrete, steel beams, etc). That doesn't count. >> >> Build one the way Noah would have, then, we'll talk. >> > >> > Total waste of time, an ounce of common sense shows the whole story >> > to be a primitive myth. >> > >> > How did kangaroos reach the ark? >> > >> >> It was just a hop, skip and jump away. Stones can skip over water. >> Why not kangaroos? > > Idiot > That could also be said of someone who doesn't recognize humor and sarcasm when he sees it, couldn't it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> MarkA >> >> (this space accidentally filled in) >> >> -- >> Later, >> Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr.com >> >> Webpage Sorcery >> http://webpagesorcery.com >> We Put the Magic in Your Webpages -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Stec Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 28 August 2006 9:15 pm Michael Gray perhaps from fleetg@newsguy.spam.com wrote: > On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:08:38 -0400, Darrell Stec > <darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > - Refer: <4lgm8nF1qlmtU3@individual.net> >>After serious contemplation, on or about Monday 28 August 2006 1:34 am >>bob young perhaps from alaspectrum@netvigator.com wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> MarkA wrote: > : >>> How did kangaroos reach the ark? >>> >> >>It was just a hop, skip and jump away. Stones can skip over water. >>Why not kangaroos? > > Koalas and Wombats would have had a trifle more trouble joining in on > the mythical mayhem! Koalas were cute and cuddly. They could travel in the kangaroo pouches. The Wombats, I'm afraid would have had to hang onto the kangaroos tails. I've never seen any of these animals up close so I don't know whether they were clean or unclean. A disproportionate number of any of them could lead to a problem with my scenario. Which way do the currents flow in the oceans there? Maybe some of them traveled by logs. I'm still working on the Tasmanian Devils. According to the Looney Toon documentaries that appeared every Saturday morning, they were speed demons, however I understand that some zoologists (OK all of them) insist they are rather slow creatures, nasty and nasty smelling. So I doubt they could hitch a ride easily. -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec@neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MarkA Posted August 29, 2006 Share Posted August 29, 2006 On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:43:02 -0400, ZenIsWhen wrote: > "MarkA" <toor@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:pan.2006.08.27.21.50.08.374038@nowhere.com... >>I have seen a few documentaries that go something like this: an >> anthropology professor comes up with a theory about how primitive people >> can build something amazing, like Stonehenge, or the Pyramids. To test >> his theory, he takes a group of students, and, using only the tools >> that would have been available to the civilization in question , >> demonstrates that a monolith can be erected, the stones can be moved, >> etc. IOW, he actually builds something similar, using only primitive >> technology. >> >> There are a depressing number of theists out there who believe, among >> other things, that the biblical story of Noah is factually correct. >> Rather than spending their time mounting expeditions to climb mountains >> in the Middle East, looking for remains of the Ark, wouldn't it make >> more sense to begin by demonstrating that construction of the Ark would >> even be possible? > > The ark isn't the same as an immobile structure. Sure, it can be built - > but it CANNOT hold the creatures claimed in the bible - and it cannot, > sucessfully, float! I'm not convinced it could even be built. Let's see the fundies build one first, THEN we'll worry about whether it is seaworthy, could hold the animals, etc... -- MarkA (this space accidentally filled in) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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