Guest Harry Dope Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 Stumping for wife, Clinton can help, or hurt, anybody By THOMAS BEAUMONT . REGISTER STAFF WRITER . November 25, 2007 Bill Clinton will get his chance in the Iowa caucuses after all. The Democrat who skipped campaigning in the state during his own bid for the presidential nomination is stepping up his role as chief advocate for his wife, Hillary Clinton. Meanwhile, her leading opponents for the Democrats' nomination subtly but persistently point out the former president's failures for which they say the New York senator shares responsibility. Bill Clinton's shadow over the 2008 nominating race creates potential pitfalls for his wife and for her opponents. Hillary Clinton risks being seen as something other than her own candidate, while her opponents risk offending Iowa Democrats who revere the former president. "I think it's going to come down to: Do you really want Bill Clinton back in the White House?" said Donna Brazile, who ran Democrat Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign. Held at arm's length by Gore in 2000 and embraced by the Democratic field in 2004, Bill Clinton's record is the subject of both credit and critique in the 2008 campaign. He plans to make his fourth Iowa campaign trip for his wife this week, in eastern Iowa. On his third trip to Iowa this year, the former president tied his wife's vision with his own, while alluding to his administration's successes. "We share one thing in common," he told an audience in Onawa, during a solo swing through western Iowa last week. "The only thing that really matters is whether people are better off when you stop your labors than when you started, whether your country is moving in the right direction, whether children have a better chance to live their dreams, whether the world is more peaceful, prosperous and cooperative." Likewise, Hillary Clinton has referred to her husband's work in the White House as the model, especially on fiscal matters and foreign policy. "As someone said the other day, there seems to be a pattern," she said last week at a campaign stop in Knoxville. "It takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush." Bill Clinton campaigned little for the Iowa caucuses in 1992 because U.S. Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa was also a candidate for president. But the former president has shouldered an increasingly public campaign role for his wife this year, first working to soften her image and recently taking the role as her chief policy advocate. A recent CBS/New York Times poll showed his presence in his wife's campaign to be an advantage in Iowa, although most caucusgoers say they are unaffected by it. In the survey, taken this month, 38 percent said Bill Clinton's involvement in Hillary Clinton's campaign made them more likely to support her, compared with 55 percent who said it made no difference, and 7 percent who said it made them less likely to support her. Hillary Clinton leads national polls of Democrats seeking the presidential nomination. But she is locked in a tight battle in Iowa with Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina. Clinton has held a narrow lead in most recent Iowa polls, but Obama topped one Iowa poll last week. Edwards and Obama routinely point out Clinton administration setbacks they say were departures from core Democratic principles. "Remember in 1993, we had a Democratic president, a Democratic House and a Democratic Senate," Edwards told an audience in Grinnell last week. "America got something it didn't need ? NAFTA, which cost us millions of American jobs, and it didn't get something it desperately needed, which is universal health care." Edwards uses the Clinton administration's failed health care effort, which Hillary Clinton led, and the passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement, which she supported, to paint her as too close to moneyed interests. But Hillary Clinton holds her White House years up as an advantage in the campaign, which invites scrutiny, Edwards also said. "Senator Clinton uses those years as first lady as credentialing for her readiness to be president," Edwards said in a Des Moines Register interview. "When she does that, she opens the door. You can't just take the good; you have to take the whole thing." Edwards said he does not give much thought to how to treat President Clinton's tenure, although he also told a Des Moines audience last week, "I actually think Bill Clinton was a good president, to be honest with you." Some undecided caucusgoers ? including ones leaning toward Hillary Clinton's opponents ? said the criticisms are fair, if they don't go too far. "I think he has to address those things," Audrey Kuhl, a Democrat from Conrad, said about Obama after hearing him speak in Grundy Center last week. "Some of them were not good decisions for the country ? as long as he can do it in a way that doesn't sound vengeful." Obama points to health care reform and NAFTA as Clinton administration failures. More often, Obama suggests that his campaign represents a sharp departure from the political division associated with President Clinton. During a speech at the Iowa Democratic Party's Jefferson Jackson Dinner in Des Moines this month, Obama criticized "triangulation," a term associated with the former president's compromises with majority Republicans to achieve goals such as welfare reform. "I don't want to spend the next year or the next four years refighting the same fights that we had in the 1990s," he told thousands of party activists in Des Moines. An ABC News poll taken this month shows 55 percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers preferred a new direction and new ideas in the White House to strength and experience. "There were good things that were done then. And I've said so," Obama told reporters in eastern Iowa last week. President Clinton deserves credit for wise fiscal management and a more competent White House than President Bush's, he said. "What's required is leadership that addresses the problems we now face, and I think that requires a different kind of politics," Obama said. "It's not enough for us simply to tack along where the political winds blow." A criticism of Hillary Clinton, which was also directed at her husband as president, is that her positions are at times calculated and driven by the findings in opinion polls. The ABC News poll found that 15 percent of caucusgoers judge Clinton as the most honest and trustworthy candidate, compared with 31 percent saying that about Obama and 20 percent about Edwards. The criticism of President Clinton bothers Des Moines Democrat Dianne Woods. "He was a negotiator and could bring different people to the table," said Woods, who is leaning toward backing New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson. "If they are criticizing a Democrat with a loyal following, I don't think that's smart." Drake University professor Rachel Paine Caufield said the former president is inextricable from the campaign debate because Hillary Clinton's claim of experience immediately conjures up memories of her husband's eight years in office. Although Democrats in general look favorably on those years, some things conflict with the ideals proposed on the campaign trail, Caufield said. "And when the practical outcomes of the Clinton presidency are put up against the more ideologically pure proposals of the other candidates, they suffer," she said. The mixed reception of the Clinton White House is a far cry from four years ago, when the Democratic presidential candidates regularly cited the budget surplus, job growth and relative global peace the Clinton administration left behind after eight years in office. "Isn't it weird, that four years ago they were campaigning on all the good that happened when we had a Democrat in the White House, and today they are regretting things that did or didn't happen because we had a Democrat in the White House," said Brazile, who is unaffiliated with any of the 2008 campaigns. "You can't have it both ways." -- Quote Of The Week "The Clintons Are A Terminally Unethical And Vulgar Couple, And They?ve Betrayed Everyone Who Has Ever Believed In Them." - Bob Herbert, Columnist NY Times Clinton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bill Clinton '08 Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 "Harry Dope" <WmuHateAmerica1st@aol.com> wrote in message news:4749ccd4$0$8700$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > Stumping for wife, Clinton can help, or hurt, anybody > By THOMAS BEAUMONT . REGISTER STAFF WRITER . November 25, 2007 > > Bill Clinton will get his chance in the Iowa caucuses after all. I'd rather have Bill boning every woman in America than the Bush bums robbing my friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest robw Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 America loves Bill. America pisses on your pres. "Harry Dope" <DemsHateAmerica1st@aol.com> wrote in message news:4749ccd4$0$8700$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > Stumping for wife, Clinton can help, or hurt, anybody > By THOMAS BEAUMONT . REGISTER STAFF WRITER . November 25, 2007 > > Bill Clinton will get his chance in the Iowa caucuses after all. > > The Democrat who skipped campaigning in the state during his own bid for the > presidential nomination is stepping up his role as chief advocate for his > wife, Hillary Clinton. > > Meanwhile, her leading opponents for the Democrats' nomination subtly but > persistently point out the former president's failures for which they say > the New York senator shares responsibility. > > Bill Clinton's shadow over the 2008 nominating race creates potential > pitfalls for his wife and for her opponents. Hillary Clinton risks being > seen as something other than her own candidate, while her opponents risk > offending Iowa Democrats who revere the former president. > > "I think it's going to come down to: Do you really want Bill Clinton back in > the White House?" said Donna Brazile, who ran Democrat Al Gore's 2000 > presidential campaign. > > Held at arm's length by Gore in 2000 and embraced by the Democratic field in > 2004, Bill Clinton's record is the subject of both credit and critique in > the 2008 campaign. > > He plans to make his fourth Iowa campaign trip for his wife this week, in > eastern Iowa. > > On his third trip to Iowa this year, the former president tied his wife's > vision with his own, while alluding to his administration's successes. > > "We share one thing in common," he told an audience in Onawa, during a solo > swing through western Iowa last week. > > "The only thing that really matters is whether people are better off when > you stop your labors than when you started, whether your country is moving > in the right direction, whether children have a better chance to live their > dreams, whether the world is more peaceful, prosperous and cooperative." > > Likewise, Hillary Clinton has referred to her husband's work in the White > House as the model, especially on fiscal matters and foreign policy. > > "As someone said the other day, there seems to be a pattern," she said last > week at a campaign stop in Knoxville. "It takes a Clinton to clean up after > a Bush." > > Bill Clinton campaigned little for the Iowa caucuses in 1992 because U.S. > Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa was also a candidate for president. But the former > president has shouldered an increasingly public campaign role for his wife > this year, first working to soften her image and recently taking the role as > her chief policy advocate. > > A recent CBS/New York Times poll showed his presence in his wife's campaign > to be an advantage in Iowa, although most caucusgoers say they are > unaffected by it. > > In the survey, taken this month, 38 percent said Bill Clinton's involvement > in Hillary Clinton's campaign made them more likely to support her, compared > with 55 percent who said it made no difference, and 7 percent who said it > made them less likely to support her. > > Hillary Clinton leads national polls of Democrats seeking the presidential > nomination. But she is locked in a tight battle in Iowa with Sen. Barack > Obama of Illinois and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina. Clinton > has held a narrow lead in most recent Iowa polls, but Obama topped one Iowa > poll last week. > > Edwards and Obama routinely point out Clinton administration setbacks they > say were departures from core Democratic principles. > > "Remember in 1993, we had a Democratic president, a Democratic House and a > Democratic Senate," Edwards told an audience in Grinnell last week. "America > got something it didn't need ? NAFTA, which cost us millions of American > jobs, and it didn't get something it desperately needed, which is universal > health care." > > Edwards uses the Clinton administration's failed health care effort, which > Hillary Clinton led, and the passage of the North American Free Trade > Agreement, which she supported, to paint her as too close to moneyed > interests. > > But Hillary Clinton holds her White House years up as an advantage in the > campaign, which invites scrutiny, Edwards also said. > > "Senator Clinton uses those years as first lady as credentialing for her > readiness to be president," Edwards said in a Des Moines Register interview. > "When she does that, she opens the door. You can't just take the good; you > have to take the whole thing." > > Edwards said he does not give much thought to how to treat President > Clinton's tenure, although he also told a Des Moines audience last week, "I > actually think Bill Clinton was a good president, to be honest with you." > > Some undecided caucusgoers ? including ones leaning toward Hillary Clinton's > opponents ? said the criticisms are fair, if they don't go too far. > > "I think he has to address those things," Audrey Kuhl, a Democrat from > Conrad, said about Obama after hearing him speak in Grundy Center last week. > "Some of them were not good decisions for the country ? as long as he can do > it in a way that doesn't sound vengeful." > > Obama points to health care reform and NAFTA as Clinton administration > failures. More often, Obama suggests that his campaign represents a sharp > departure from the political division associated with President Clinton. > > During a speech at the Iowa Democratic Party's Jefferson Jackson Dinner in > Des Moines this month, Obama criticized "triangulation," a term associated > with the former president's compromises with majority Republicans to achieve > goals such as welfare reform. > > "I don't want to spend the next year or the next four years refighting the > same fights that we had in the 1990s," he told thousands of party activists > in Des Moines. > > An ABC News poll taken this month shows 55 percent of likely Democratic > caucusgoers preferred a new direction and new ideas in the White House to > strength and experience. > > "There were good things that were done then. And I've said so," Obama told > reporters in eastern Iowa last week. President Clinton deserves credit for > wise fiscal management and a more competent White House than President > Bush's, he said. > > "What's required is leadership that addresses the problems we now face, and > I think that requires a different kind of politics," Obama said. "It's not > enough for us simply to tack along where the political winds blow." > > A criticism of Hillary Clinton, which was also directed at her husband as > president, is that her positions are at times calculated and driven by the > findings in opinion polls. > > The ABC News poll found that 15 percent of caucusgoers judge Clinton as the > most honest and trustworthy candidate, compared with 31 percent saying that > about Obama and 20 percent about Edwards. > > The criticism of President Clinton bothers Des Moines Democrat Dianne Woods. > > "He was a negotiator and could bring different people to the table," said > Woods, who is leaning toward backing New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson. "If > they are criticizing a Democrat with a loyal following, I don't think that's > smart." > > Drake University professor Rachel Paine Caufield said the former president > is inextricable from the campaign debate because Hillary Clinton's claim of > experience immediately conjures up memories of her husband's eight years in > office. > > Although Democrats in general look favorably on those years, some things > conflict with the ideals proposed on the campaign trail, Caufield said. > > "And when the practical outcomes of the Clinton presidency are put up > against the more ideologically pure proposals of the other candidates, they > suffer," she said. > > The mixed reception of the Clinton White House is a far cry from four years > ago, when the Democratic presidential candidates regularly cited the budget > surplus, job growth and relative global peace the Clinton administration > left behind after eight years in office. > > "Isn't it weird, that four years ago they were campaigning on all the good > that happened when we had a Democrat in the White House, and today they are > regretting things that did or didn't happen because we had a Democrat in the > White House," said Brazile, who is unaffiliated with any of the 2008 > campaigns. "You can't have it both ways." > > > > -- > Quote Of The Week > "The Clintons Are A Terminally Unethical And Vulgar Couple, And They?ve > Betrayed Everyone Who Has Ever Believed In Them." - Bob Herbert, Columnist > NY Times Clinton > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bugman Posted November 25, 2007 Share Posted November 25, 2007 "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message news:09udnWIOq9FwedTanZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@comcast.com... > America loves Bill. > > America pisses on your pres. More like the world. He's hated everywhere. > > > "Harry Dope" <DemsHateAmerica1st@aol.com> wrote in message > news:4749ccd4$0$8700$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Stumping for wife, Clinton can help, or hurt, anybody >> By THOMAS BEAUMONT . REGISTER STAFF WRITER . November 25, 2007 >> >> Bill Clinton will get his chance in the Iowa caucuses after all. >> >> The Democrat who skipped campaigning in the state during his own bid for > the >> presidential nomination is stepping up his role as chief advocate for his >> wife, Hillary Clinton. >> >> Meanwhile, her leading opponents for the Democrats' nomination subtly but >> persistently point out the former president's failures for which they say >> the New York senator shares responsibility. >> >> Bill Clinton's shadow over the 2008 nominating race creates potential >> pitfalls for his wife and for her opponents. Hillary Clinton risks being >> seen as something other than her own candidate, while her opponents risk >> offending Iowa Democrats who revere the former president. >> >> "I think it's going to come down to: Do you really want Bill Clinton back > in >> the White House?" said Donna Brazile, who ran Democrat Al Gore's 2000 >> presidential campaign. >> >> Held at arm's length by Gore in 2000 and embraced by the Democratic field > in >> 2004, Bill Clinton's record is the subject of both credit and critique in >> the 2008 campaign. >> >> He plans to make his fourth Iowa campaign trip for his wife this week, in >> eastern Iowa. >> >> On his third trip to Iowa this year, the former president tied his wife's >> vision with his own, while alluding to his administration's successes. >> >> "We share one thing in common," he told an audience in Onawa, during a > solo >> swing through western Iowa last week. >> >> "The only thing that really matters is whether people are better off when >> you stop your labors than when you started, whether your country is >> moving >> in the right direction, whether children have a better chance to live > their >> dreams, whether the world is more peaceful, prosperous and cooperative." >> >> Likewise, Hillary Clinton has referred to her husband's work in the White >> House as the model, especially on fiscal matters and foreign policy. >> >> "As someone said the other day, there seems to be a pattern," she said > last >> week at a campaign stop in Knoxville. "It takes a Clinton to clean up > after >> a Bush." >> >> Bill Clinton campaigned little for the Iowa caucuses in 1992 because U.S. >> Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa was also a candidate for president. But the >> former >> president has shouldered an increasingly public campaign role for his >> wife >> this year, first working to soften her image and recently taking the role > as >> her chief policy advocate. >> >> A recent CBS/New York Times poll showed his presence in his wife's > campaign >> to be an advantage in Iowa, although most caucusgoers say they are >> unaffected by it. >> >> In the survey, taken this month, 38 percent said Bill Clinton's > involvement >> in Hillary Clinton's campaign made them more likely to support her, > compared >> with 55 percent who said it made no difference, and 7 percent who said it >> made them less likely to support her. >> >> Hillary Clinton leads national polls of Democrats seeking the >> presidential >> nomination. But she is locked in a tight battle in Iowa with Sen. Barack >> Obama of Illinois and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina. Clinton >> has held a narrow lead in most recent Iowa polls, but Obama topped one > Iowa >> poll last week. >> >> Edwards and Obama routinely point out Clinton administration setbacks >> they >> say were departures from core Democratic principles. >> >> "Remember in 1993, we had a Democratic president, a Democratic House and >> a >> Democratic Senate," Edwards told an audience in Grinnell last week. > "America >> got something it didn't need ? NAFTA, which cost us millions of American >> jobs, and it didn't get something it desperately needed, which is > universal >> health care." >> >> Edwards uses the Clinton administration's failed health care effort, >> which >> Hillary Clinton led, and the passage of the North American Free Trade >> Agreement, which she supported, to paint her as too close to moneyed >> interests. >> >> But Hillary Clinton holds her White House years up as an advantage in the >> campaign, which invites scrutiny, Edwards also said. >> >> "Senator Clinton uses those years as first lady as credentialing for her >> readiness to be president," Edwards said in a Des Moines Register > interview. >> "When she does that, she opens the door. You can't just take the good; >> you >> have to take the whole thing." >> >> Edwards said he does not give much thought to how to treat President >> Clinton's tenure, although he also told a Des Moines audience last week, > "I >> actually think Bill Clinton was a good president, to be honest with you." >> >> Some undecided caucusgoers ? including ones leaning toward Hillary > Clinton's >> opponents ? said the criticisms are fair, if they don't go too far. >> >> "I think he has to address those things," Audrey Kuhl, a Democrat from >> Conrad, said about Obama after hearing him speak in Grundy Center last > week. >> "Some of them were not good decisions for the country ? as long as he can > do >> it in a way that doesn't sound vengeful." >> >> Obama points to health care reform and NAFTA as Clinton administration >> failures. More often, Obama suggests that his campaign represents a sharp >> departure from the political division associated with President Clinton. >> >> During a speech at the Iowa Democratic Party's Jefferson Jackson Dinner >> in >> Des Moines this month, Obama criticized "triangulation," a term >> associated >> with the former president's compromises with majority Republicans to > achieve >> goals such as welfare reform. >> >> "I don't want to spend the next year or the next four years refighting >> the >> same fights that we had in the 1990s," he told thousands of party > activists >> in Des Moines. >> >> An ABC News poll taken this month shows 55 percent of likely Democratic >> caucusgoers preferred a new direction and new ideas in the White House to >> strength and experience. >> >> "There were good things that were done then. And I've said so," Obama >> told >> reporters in eastern Iowa last week. President Clinton deserves credit >> for >> wise fiscal management and a more competent White House than President >> Bush's, he said. >> >> "What's required is leadership that addresses the problems we now face, > and >> I think that requires a different kind of politics," Obama said. "It's >> not >> enough for us simply to tack along where the political winds blow." >> >> A criticism of Hillary Clinton, which was also directed at her husband as >> president, is that her positions are at times calculated and driven by >> the >> findings in opinion polls. >> >> The ABC News poll found that 15 percent of caucusgoers judge Clinton as > the >> most honest and trustworthy candidate, compared with 31 percent saying > that >> about Obama and 20 percent about Edwards. >> >> The criticism of President Clinton bothers Des Moines Democrat Dianne > Woods. >> >> "He was a negotiator and could bring different people to the table," said >> Woods, who is leaning toward backing New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson. "If >> they are criticizing a Democrat with a loyal following, I don't think > that's >> smart." >> >> Drake University professor Rachel Paine Caufield said the former >> president >> is inextricable from the campaign debate because Hillary Clinton's claim > of >> experience immediately conjures up memories of her husband's eight years > in >> office. >> >> Although Democrats in general look favorably on those years, some things >> conflict with the ideals proposed on the campaign trail, Caufield said. >> >> "And when the practical outcomes of the Clinton presidency are put up >> against the more ideologically pure proposals of the other candidates, > they >> suffer," she said. >> >> The mixed reception of the Clinton White House is a far cry from four > years >> ago, when the Democratic presidential candidates regularly cited the > budget >> surplus, job growth and relative global peace the Clinton administration >> left behind after eight years in office. >> >> "Isn't it weird, that four years ago they were campaigning on all the >> good >> that happened when we had a Democrat in the White House, and today they > are >> regretting things that did or didn't happen because we had a Democrat in > the >> White House," said Brazile, who is unaffiliated with any of the 2008 >> campaigns. "You can't have it both ways." >> >> >> >> -- >> Quote Of The Week >> "The Clintons Are A Terminally Unethical And Vulgar Couple, And They?ve >> Betrayed Everyone Who Has Ever Believed In Them." - Bob Herbert, >> Columnist >> NY Times Clinton >> >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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