Obama calls for USA Troops to remain in Iraq forever

WASHINGTON - A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending in a

confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops in

Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the Illinois

senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking

office.

The paper, obtained by The New York Sun, was written by Colin Kahl for the

center-left Center for a New American Security. In "Stay on Success: A

Policy of Conditional Engagement," Mr. Kahl writes that through negotiations

with the Iraqi government "the U.S. should aim to transition to a

sustainable over-watch posture (of perhaps 60,000-80,000 forces) by the end

of 2010 (although the specific timelines should be the byproduct of

negotiations and conditions on the ground)."

Mr. Kahl is the day-to-day coordinator of the Obama campaign's working group

on Iraq. A shorter and less detailed version of this paper appeared on the

center's Web site as a policy brief.

Both Mr. Kahl and a senior Obama campaign adviser reached yesterday said the

paper does not represent the campaign's Iraq position. Nonetheless, the

paper could provide clues as to the ultimate size of the residual American

force the candidate has said would remain in Iraq after the withdrawal of

combat brigades. The campaign has not publicly discussed the size of such a

force in the past.

This is not the first time the opinion of an adviser to the Obama campaign

has differed with the candidate's stated Iraq policy. In February, Mr.

Obama's first foreign policy tutor, Samantha Power, told BBC that the

senator's current Iraq plan would likely change based on the advice of

military commanders in 2009. She has since resigned her position as a formal

adviser.

The political ramifications of the disclosure are yet to be seen. The

perception of a harder line in Iraq could help Mr. Obama combat charges by

Senator McCain in a general election that Mr. Obama favors a hasty surrender

and retreat in Iraq. But it could hurt the Obama campaign with anti-war

voters in the Democratic primaries. Mr. Obama's rival for the Democratic

nomination, Senator Clinton, has called for withdrawing troops from Iraq,

but an architect of the surge has told the Sun that she has been wary of a

precipitous withdrawal. In a situation with some parallels to this one, Mr.

Obama suffered some political damage on the trade issue when he called

publicly for a renegotiation of NAFTA while a policy adviser reportedly met

with Canadian officials and downplayed the chances of a NAFTA retreat. In an

interview yesterday, a senior Obama foreign affairs adviser, Susan Rice,

said the Iraq working group is not the last word on the campaign's Iraq

policy.

We have experts and scholars with a range of views and Barack appreciates

this range of views. They are in think tanks and like me they write in their

own voice, they are people who do their independent scholarship. Barack

Obama cannot be held accountable for what we all write," she said. Ms. Rice

said she had not seen the paper, which is marked as a draft and "not for

attribution without author's permission."

Mr. Kahl yesterday said, "This has absolutely zero to do with the campaign."

He added, "There are elements that are consistent with the Democratic

Party's approach, and I will leave it to others to find out if there are

elements that are not."

Mr. Kahl's approach would call on the remaining troops in Iraq to play an

"over-watch role." The term is used by Multinational Forces Iraq to describe

the long term goal of the coalition force presence in the country, Mr. Kahl

said in an interview.

"It refers to the U.S. being out of the lead, largely in a support role. It

doesn't mean the U.S. does not do things like targeted counterterrorism

missions or continue to train and advise the Iraqis," he said. "It would not

be 150,000 Americans taking the lead in counterinsurgency."

Mr. Obama's policy to date also allows for a residual force for Iraq. In

early Iowa debates, the senator would not pledge to remove all soldiers from

Iraq, a distinction from his promise to withdraw all combat brigades. Also,

Mr. Obama has stipulated that he would be open to having the military train

the Iraqi Security Forces if he received guarantees that those forces would

not be the shock troops of one side of an Iraqi civil war.

But the Obama campaign has also not said how many troops would make up this

residual force. "We have not put a number on that. It depends on the

circumstances on the ground," Ms. Rice said. She added, "It would be worse

than folly, it would be dangerous, to put a hard number on the residual

forces."

Mr. Kahl's paper laid out what he called a "middle way" between unlimited

engagement in Iraq and complete and rapid disengagement. The approach is

contingent, he said, on the progress and willingness of Iraq's major

confessional parties in reaching political accommodation.

"There is a fundamental difference in the assumption between the Democratic

approach and the Bush-McCain approach. That approach is premised on the

assumption the Iraqi government wants to reach accommodation and what they

need is time. The surge is premised on the notion of creating breathing

space," Mr. Kahl said. He added that his strategy would pressure and entice

the Iraqi government to begin political accommodation by not only starting

the withdrawal, but also by stating that America had no intention to hold

permanent bases in the country.

"WarHeroMcCain" <AmericamHero@aol.com> allegedly said in

news:47f6a227$0$16662$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

> WASHINGTON - A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending

> in a confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000

> troops in Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge

> of the Illinois senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16

> months of taking office.

>

rotfl...

Gee... now let me see... Obama takes over in Jan 2009 ... add 16 months and

it's May 2010.

That will SEEM like forever to you dumb-as-dirt reichtard losers.

Fucking ridiculous moron...

--

AW

<small but dangerous>

WarHeroMcCain wrote:

> WASHINGTON - A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending in a

> confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops in

> Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the Illinois

> senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking

> office.

>

> The paper, obtained by The New York Sun, was written by Colin Kahl for the

> center-left Center for a New American Security. In "Stay on Success: A

> Policy of Conditional Engagement," Mr. Kahl writes that through negotiations

> with the Iraqi government "the U.S. should aim to transition to a

> sustainable over-watch posture (of perhaps 60,000-80,000 forces) by the end

> of 2010 (although the specific timelines should be the byproduct of

> negotiations and conditions on the ground)."

>

> Mr. Kahl is the day-to-day coordinator of the Obama campaign's working group

> on Iraq. A shorter and less detailed version of this paper appeared on the

> center's Web site as a policy brief.

>

> Both Mr. Kahl and a senior Obama campaign adviser reached yesterday said the

> paper does not represent the campaign's Iraq position. Nonetheless, the

> paper could provide clues as to the ultimate size of the residual American

> force the candidate has said would remain in Iraq after the withdrawal of

> combat brigades. The campaign has not publicly discussed the size of such a

> force in the past.

>

> This is not the first time the opinion of an adviser to the Obama campaign

> has differed with the candidate's stated Iraq policy. In February, Mr.

> Obama's first foreign policy tutor, Samantha Power, told BBC that the

> senator's current Iraq plan would likely change based on the advice of

> military commanders in 2009. She has since resigned her position as a formal

> adviser.

>

> The political ramifications of the disclosure are yet to be seen. The

> perception of a harder line in Iraq could help Mr. Obama combat charges by

> Senator McCain in a general election that Mr. Obama favors a hasty surrender

> and retreat in Iraq. But it could hurt the Obama campaign with anti-war

> voters in the Democratic primaries. Mr. Obama's rival for the Democratic

> nomination, Senator Clinton, has called for withdrawing troops from Iraq,

> but an architect of the surge has told the Sun that she has been wary of a

> precipitous withdrawal. In a situation with some parallels to this one, Mr.

> Obama suffered some political damage on the trade issue when he called

> publicly for a renegotiation of NAFTA while a policy adviser reportedly met

> with Canadian officials and downplayed the chances of a NAFTA retreat. In an

> interview yesterday, a senior Obama foreign affairs adviser, Susan Rice,

> said the Iraq working group is not the last word on the campaign's Iraq

> policy.

>

> We have experts and scholars with a range of views and Barack appreciates

> this range of views. They are in think tanks and like me they write in their

> own voice, they are people who do their independent scholarship. Barack

> Obama cannot be held accountable for what we all write," she said. Ms. Rice

> said she had not seen the paper, which is marked as a draft and "not for

> attribution without author's permission."

>

> Mr. Kahl yesterday said, "This has absolutely zero to do with the campaign."

> He added, "There are elements that are consistent with the Democratic

> Party's approach, and I will leave it to others to find out if there are

> elements that are not."

>

> Mr. Kahl's approach would call on the remaining troops in Iraq to play an

> "over-watch role." The term is used by Multinational Forces Iraq to describe

> the long term goal of the coalition force presence in the country, Mr. Kahl

> said in an interview.

>

> "It refers to the U.S. being out of the lead, largely in a support role. It

> doesn't mean the U.S. does not do things like targeted counterterrorism

> missions or continue to train and advise the Iraqis," he said. "It would not

> be 150,000 Americans taking the lead in counterinsurgency."

>

> Mr. Obama's policy to date also allows for a residual force for Iraq. In

> early Iowa debates, the senator would not pledge to remove all soldiers from

> Iraq, a distinction from his promise to withdraw all combat brigades. Also,

> Mr. Obama has stipulated that he would be open to having the military train

> the Iraqi Security Forces if he received guarantees that those forces would

> not be the shock troops of one side of an Iraqi civil war.

>

> But the Obama campaign has also not said how many troops would make up this

> residual force. "We have not put a number on that. It depends on the

> circumstances on the ground," Ms. Rice said. She added, "It would be worse

> than folly, it would be dangerous, to put a hard number on the residual

> forces."

>

> Mr. Kahl's paper laid out what he called a "middle way" between unlimited

> engagement in Iraq and complete and rapid disengagement. The approach is

> contingent, he said, on the progress and willingness of Iraq's major

> confessional parties in reaching political accommodation.

>

> "There is a fundamental difference in the assumption between the Democratic

> approach and the Bush-McCain approach. That approach is premised on the

> assumption the Iraqi government wants to reach accommodation and what they

> need is time. The surge is premised on the notion of creating breathing

> space," Mr. Kahl said. He added that his strategy would pressure and entice

> the Iraqi government to begin political accommodation by not only starting

> the withdrawal, but also by stating that America had no intention to hold

> permanent bases in the country.

Found at all da right-wing trash sites. Does this now mean he is a

tough world leader or that he is a pussy surrender-monkey" Or do you

people even have a cognitive thinking ability?

<monkey_cockboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:60a86552-e84f-44da-8e22-b8019d09adac@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> WarHeroMcCain wrote:

>> WASHINGTON - A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending in

>> a

>> confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops in

>> Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the

>> Illinois

>> senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking

>> office.

> Found at all da right-wing trash sites.

Looks like Monkey-Dick is a LIAR:

Are these "right-wing trash sites?"

Obama Advisor: 60,000 Troops Should Stay In Iraq Through 2010

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/04/obama-advisor-60000-troop_n_95026.html

Obama Adviser Calls for 60,000-80,000 U.S. Troops To Stay in Iraq Through

2010

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5384725

"A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending in a confidential

paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops in Iraq as of late

2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the Illinois senator to

withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking office."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/04/858675.aspx

> Does this now mean he is a

> tough world leader or that he is a pussy surrender-monkey"

It means he is a LIAR, like YOU.

"WarHeroMcCain" <AmericamHero@aol.com> wrote in message

news:47f6a227$0$16662$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

Is "forever" like 100 years, or what!?!?!??!!?

Patriot Games wrote:

> <monkey_cockboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:60a86552-e84f-44da-8e22-b8019d09adac@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

>> WarHeroMcCain wrote:

>>> WASHINGTON - A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is

>>> recommending in a

>>> confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000

>>> troops in

>>> Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the

>>> Illinois

>>> senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking

>>> office.

>> Found at all da right-wing trash sites.

>

> Looks like Monkey-Dick is a LIAR:

>

> Are these "right-wing trash sites?"

>

> Obama Advisor: 60,000 Troops Should Stay In Iraq Through 2010

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/04/obama-advisor-60000-troop_n_95026.html

>

>

> Obama Adviser Calls for 60,000-80,000 U.S. Troops To Stay in Iraq

> Through 2010

> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5384725

>

>

> "A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending in a

> confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops

> in Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the

> Illinois senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months

> of taking office."

> http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/04/858675.aspx

>

>> Does this now mean he is a

>> tough world leader or that he is a pussy surrender-monkey"

>

> It means he is a LIAR, like YOU.

>

do you understand the term "recommending?" It means that that is NOT

Obama's stated opinion. BTW, I just checked a calender, and 2010 is far

far less time than 100 years.

--

"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."

--- George Herbert Walker Bush, in an interview with Sarah McClendon, 1992

"gringo" <gringo@nospam.net> wrote in message

news:%vSJj.30790$r76.5248@bignews8.bellsouth.net...

> Patriot Games wrote:

>> <monkey_cockboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>> news:60a86552-e84f-44da-8e22-b8019d09adac@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

>>> WarHeroMcCain wrote:

>>>> WASHINGTON - A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending

>>>> in a

>>>> confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops

>>>> in

>>>> Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the

>>>> Illinois

>>>> senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking

>>>> office.

>>> Found at all da right-wing trash sites.

>> Looks like Monkey-Dick is a LIAR:

>> Are these "right-wing trash sites?"

>> Obama Advisor: 60,000 Troops Should Stay In Iraq Through 2010

>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/04/obama-advisor-60000-troop_n_95026.html

>> Obama Adviser Calls for 60,000-80,000 U.S. Troops To Stay in Iraq Through

>> 2010

>> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5384725

>> "A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending in a

>> confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops in

>> Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the

>> Illinois senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of

>> taking office."

>> http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/04/858675.aspx

>>> Does this now mean he is a

>>> tough world leader or that he is a pussy surrender-monkey"

>> It means he is a LIAR, like YOU.

> do you understand the term "recommending?" It means that that is NOT

> Obama's stated opinion. BTW, I just checked a calender, and 2010 is far

> far less time than 100 years.

A broken promise is a broken promise.

A broken promise IS A LIE.

"A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending

>>>> in a

>>>> confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops

>>>> in

>>>> Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the

>>>> Illinois

>>>> senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking

>>>> office..."

___________________________

There they go, picking on Obamy again.

Obamy doesn't want to keep 80,000 combat troops in Iraq.

He wants to only keep 80,000 REMFers in Iraq.

He will also disarm them, as they currently all pack shooters of various

kinds that could get the Iraqis excited if the see them walking around with

them.

Then Obamy hopes that the Iraqis get inspired by their moon god, Allah, to

go after all them infidel yankee dogs and wipe them out.

Then, Obamy plans on showing everyone what a negotiator he is by sending

lottsa bulldozers and other heavy equipment to the Iraqis for the bodies,

like the Kennedy boys did for Fidel sos they can rebuild their dandy palaces

and stuff.

Patriot Games wrote:

> "gringo" <gringo@nospam.net> wrote in message

> news:%vSJj.30790$r76.5248@bignews8.bellsouth.net...

>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>> <monkey_cockboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>> news:60a86552-e84f-44da-8e22-b8019d09adac@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

>>>

>>>> WarHeroMcCain wrote:

>>>>> WASHINGTON - A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is

>>>>> recommending in a

>>>>> confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000

>>>>> troops in

>>>>> Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the

>>>>> Illinois

>>>>> senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of

>>>>> taking

>>>>> office.

>>>> Found at all da right-wing trash sites.

>>> Looks like Monkey-Dick is a LIAR:

>>> Are these "right-wing trash sites?"

>>> Obama Advisor: 60,000 Troops Should Stay In Iraq Through 2010

>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/04/obama-advisor-60000-troop_n_95026.html

>>> Obama Adviser Calls for 60,000-80,000 U.S. Troops To Stay in Iraq

>>> Through 2010

>>> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5384725

>>> "A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending in a

>>> confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000

>>> troops in Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public

>>> pledge of the Illinois senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq

>>> within 16 months of taking office."

>>> http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/04/858675.aspx

>>>> Does this now mean he is a

>>>> tough world leader or that he is a pussy surrender-monkey"

>>> It means he is a LIAR, like YOU.

>> do you understand the term "recommending?" It means that that is NOT

>> Obama's stated opinion. BTW, I just checked a calender, and 2010 is

>> far far less time than 100 years.

>

> A broken promise is a broken promise.

>

> A broken promise IS A LIE.

>

>

Pat, great handle, everyone says you do smell gamey. Your politics are

certainly rather putrid.

What part of the above didn't you understand? If Obama makes a public

statement that he plans to keep the troops in for, oh, McBush's 100

years, THEN he will be both a fool and a liar.

--

"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."

--- George Herbert Walker Bush, in an interview with Sarah McClendon, 1992

Docky Wocky wrote:

> "A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending

>

>>>>> in a

>>>>> confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops

>>>>> in

>>>>> Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the

>>>>> Illinois

>>>>> senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking

>>>>> office..."

>>>>>

> ___________________________

> There they go, picking on Obamy again.

>

> Obamy doesn't want to keep 80,000 combat troops in Iraq.

>

> He wants to only keep 80,000 REMFers in Iraq.

>

> He will also disarm them, as they currently all pack shooters of various

> kinds that could get the Iraqis excited if the see them walking around with

> them.

>

> Then Obamy hopes that the Iraqis get inspired by their moon god, Allah, to

> go after all them infidel yankee dogs and wipe them out.

>

> Then, Obamy plans on showing everyone what a negotiator he is by sending

> lottsa bulldozers and other heavy equipment to the Iraqis for the bodies,

> like the Kennedy boys did for Fidel sos they can rebuild their dandy palaces

> and stuff.

>

>

>

you are a silly shit.

Docky Wocky was thirty years old today,

They took away all of his toys.

His mother sent newspaper clippings to him,

About his old friends who'd stopped being boys.

There was Harwitz E. Green, just turned thirty-three,

His leather chair waits at the bank.

And Seargent Dow Jones, twenty-seven years old,

Commanding his very own tank.

But Docky Wocky still finds it a nice thing to do,

To lie about nude in the sand,

Drawing pictures of mountains that look like bumps,

And thrashing the air with his hands.

But wait, oh Docky Wocky's productive you know,

He produces the finest of sound,

Putting drumsticks on either side of his nose,

Snorting the best licks in town,

But that's all over...

Docky Wocky was thirty years old today,

And Docky Wocky came foam from his tongue.

He looked at me eyes wide and plainly said,

Is it true that I'm no longer young?

And the children call him famous,

And the old men call him insane,

And sometimes he's so nameless,

That he hardly knows which game to play...

Which words to say...

And I should have told him, "No, you're not old."

And I should have let him go on...smiling...babywide.

(with apologizes to Gracie Slick and Jefferson Airplane)

--

"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."

--- George Herbert Walker Bush, in an interview with Sarah McClendon, 1992

"Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net> wrote in message

news:939Kj.1570$BT1.932@trnddc04...

> "A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending

>>>>> in a

>>>>> confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops

>>>>> in

>>>>> Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the

>>>>> Illinois

>>>>> senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking

>>>>> office..."

> ___________________________

> There they go, picking on Obamy again.

> Obamy doesn't want to keep 80,000 combat troops in Iraq.

> He wants to only keep 80,000 REMFers in Iraq.

BWahahahahahahahhaha!!!!

"gringo" <gringo@nospam.net> wrote in message

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> Patriot Games wrote:

>> "gringo" <gringo@nospam.net> wrote in message

>> news:%vSJj.30790$r76.5248@bignews8.bellsouth.net...

>>> Patriot Games wrote:

>>>> <monkey_cockboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message

>>>> news:60a86552-e84f-44da-8e22-b8019d09adac@13g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

>>>>> WarHeroMcCain wrote:

>>>>>> WASHINGTON - A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is

>>>>>> recommending in a

>>>>>> confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops

>>>>>> in

>>>>>> Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the

>>>>>> Illinois

>>>>>> senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of

>>>>>> taking

>>>>>> office.

>>>>> Found at all da right-wing trash sites.

>>>> Looks like Monkey-Dick is a LIAR:

>>>> Are these "right-wing trash sites?"

>>>> Obama Advisor: 60,000 Troops Should Stay In Iraq Through 2010

>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/04/obama-advisor-60000-troop_n_95026.html

>>>> Obama Adviser Calls for 60,000-80,000 U.S. Troops To Stay in Iraq

>>>> Through 2010

>>>> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5384725

>>>> "A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending in a

>>>> confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops

>>>> in Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the

>>>> Illinois senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months

>>>> of taking office."

>>>> http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/04/858675.aspx

>>>>> Does this now mean he is a

>>>>> tough world leader or that he is a pussy surrender-monkey"

>>>> It means he is a LIAR, like YOU.

>>> do you understand the term "recommending?" It means that that is NOT

>>> Obama's stated opinion. BTW, I just checked a calender, and 2010 is far

>>> far less time than 100 years.

>> A broken promise is a broken promise.

>> A broken promise IS A LIE.

> Pat, great handle, everyone says you do smell gamey. Your politics are

> certainly rather putrid.

100% American BOY!

> What part of the above didn't you understand? If Obama makes a public

> statement that he plans to keep the troops in for, oh, McBush's 100

> years, THEN he will be both a fool and a liar.

Buckwheat said IMMEDIATE withdrawal.

Buckwheat LIED.