One Person's Thoughts On Children

I was reading this on another site...what do you guys think of this person's opinion on having kids?

 

http://www.theangrytruth.com/postview_3803.asp

HHMM looks like some kid just got grounded for being an idiot to me LOL I remember saying that same shit when I got busted for coming home and not making it through teh front door without landing on my face HEHE I am sure I will hear teh same shit from my own kid some day too.

They're KIDS, not fucking circus animals.

I have to say that I largely agree with this person's post. I'm really fucking tired of parentals telling me what to do and wear and be because that's what THEY want. If they want something to train, they should get a dog. If they want a little version of themselves, they should back cloning because...well....fuck that! I'll be who I want to be, and they have no right in the world to tell me who I can and cannot be. I didn't tell THEM to have sex, and I CERTAINLY wouldn't have wanted to have been born if I'd had any choice in the matter.

 

And while I'm on the topic, though I know the rest of you aren't, I'm also sick of everyone saying that people can't decide to end their OWN LIVES. Putting aside the whole matter of 'what if they aren't mentally fit to make that decision' and so on, since that's not what I'm talking about, WHAT THE FUCK?! Since when does anyone OWN anyone else? Not for quite some time, yet society still has the mentality that everyone is responsible for everyone else--in that they can control them! Where is the sense in telling people that because they HAPPENED to have been born, they must suffer for as long as everyone ELSE says so?

I have to say that I largely agree with this person's post. I'm really fucking tired of parentals telling me what to do and wear and be because that's what THEY want. If they want something to train, they should get a dog. If they want a little version of themselves, they should back cloning because...well....fuck that! I'll be who I want to be, and they have no right in the world to tell me who I can and cannot be. I didn't tell THEM to have sex, and I CERTAINLY wouldn't have wanted to have been born if I'd had any choice in the matter.

 

And while I'm on the topic, though I know the rest of you aren't, I'm also sick of everyone saying that people can't decide to end their OWN LIVES. Putting aside the whole matter of 'what if they aren't mentally fit to make that decision' and so on, since that's not what I'm talking about, WHAT THE FUCK?! Since when does anyone OWN anyone else? Not for quite some time, yet society still has the mentality that everyone is responsible for everyone else--in that they can control them! Where is the sense in telling people that because they HAPPENED to have been born, they must suffer for as long as everyone ELSE says so?

 

There is a problem with your perception SD, The problem is, who will care for an infant ?? Who will care for that 5 year old ? Of course... parents... the problem is, where is the CUT OFF age, and how much do you cut someone off to do things for themselves ?

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Posted by Siver Dragon:

I'm really sick of parentals telling me what to do......

 

The maturity is oozing from my moniter onto the floor.

On that site I am known as Insect. I made a comment as far as how to go about it. I'm no parent but some aspects are rather common sense. Lemme copy and paste and see what you guys think...

 

In response to someone agreeing about having more kids...

7/12/2005 2:48:18 PM From: Insect I am quite serious when I talk about not having all these extra people running around. These days, there is more and more incopetence to taking care of a child...especially when these stupid fucking teenagers have them.

 

In response to letting kids do whatever they want...

7/12/2005 2:50:47 PM From: Insect BUT...when you have those kids, it is your duty as a parent to take care of them and set them on the right path. Let them choose a positive path and help them stick with it. Discipline is need to accomplish this. I may not be a parent but think about it. If I ever get stupid enough to have kids, I will steer them onto the right path and keep them there by any means. You can only give them so many privlidges to them at a certain age. It is all a part of growing up...but as they get older, they gain more independence. You cannot grant them this at such a young age.

 

Just my own lil mini rant here...

7/12/2005 3:30:09 PM From: Insect "The best way to contribute to society is to stop having kids." - Dante Hinson Now THAT'S a quote! And a true statement...

 

Tell me what ya think.

I think it's some 15 year old kid that was refused to have sex for the first time.

Parents are responsible for you.And you gotta be grateful for everything they do for you.

 

'In response to letting kids do whatever they want...

7/12/2005 2:50:47 PM From: Insect BUT...when you have those kids, it is your duty as a parent to take care of them and set them on the right path. Let them choose a positive path and help them stick with it. Discipline is need to accomplish this. I may not be a parent but think about it. If I ever get stupid enough to have kids, I will steer them onto the right path and keep them there by any means. You can only give them so many privlidges to them at a certain age. It is all a part of growing up...but as they get older, they gain more independence. You cannot grant them this at such a young age.'

I agree 100% with this.

OMG I have to laugh. Hell I crack up everyytime I think about when I was seventeen and wanted it my may or the highway LMFAO> Now I am a parent and if it weren't so fucking ironic or funny I would be embarrassed that I ever questioned my mother's descisions concerning me. Hell I plan on being way more strict then she was only because I KNOW what I was doing on the sly LOL. I want to hear back from these kids when they are parents of teenagers. Then I will show them these comments and proceed to fucking laugh in their faces

I'm glad my dad kicked my ass when I was younger, I'd be a total fucking loser on welfare otherwise. SD87 GROW UP !!

 

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Phreakman, give the kid a break, his profile says he's 17, what do you expect. Come on now it's a little funny no? I am sure you would have been much worse at 17. Holy crap the thought of you at 17 kind of scares me LOL

Holy crap the thought of you at 17 kind of scares me LOL

At 17, I was working as an orderly in nursing homes, caring for the ederly, and I was ALWAYS working,(I'd come in on my days off to work for others) not for the money, but because I enjoyed my job. Don't cross the PHREAKWARS persona with the real person. I'm actually a pretty nice guy in real life, not even CLOSE to being the sarcastic dick I am here.

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Well at least you know LMAO The image of phreakwars in a nursing home is too much for me LOL

Well at least you know LMAO The image of phreakwars in a nursing home is too much for me LOL

If it was PHREAKWARS in a nursing home, he'd probably give the old farts a fucking heart attack.

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At 17 I was out steering the USS Gridley.

Well mostly painting and mopping the decks.

 

But talk about parting out at sea!

Everybody to the fantail!

You know you gotta keep the smoke going down wind

I sure wished I'd listened to my parents.

 

First of all, a bit fat 'shut the fuck up' to Jhony5 and phreak, meaning no disrespect of course. That being said, next comes the egg on my face for not explaining what I meant, and I do admit that I should have been clearer. But more than anything, I'm pissed off that you think so little of me as to assume that I'm just being a whiny teenager. I'm not talking about parents steering childern down a positive path and so on blah blah blah, I'm talking about people quite literally telling me who I should be and how I should dress and so on. And no, I don't wear hooker boots or fishnet or anything of the sort--I wear jeans and t shirts, and my mother wants me to wear dresses and makeup. This is not who I am, and I am COMPLETELY within my right to be upset because of this. Someone is trying to control me--to change me into someone and something I am not. To make me social when I prefer to be alone--not for any stupid and melodramatic reason. To make me Catholic when I'm an atheist. To make me enjoy lace and frills and fucking wicker baskets and dolls when I do NOT. I'm not talking about 'I want to stay out past 11' like some spoiled, stupid little bitch.

 

Oh, and by the way, I am female, not male. So HER profile says SHE is 17, but thanks anyway Tizz. Apparantly lack of age is my only defense for wanting to defy my parent by being myself. Parents are of course within THEIR right to try to keep their children from making huge and terrible mistakes like...I don't know, snorting coke or what have you. Whatever the idiots are doing these days. I'm talking about trivial attempts to control and shape children into their own ideals. Parents these days, and probably for as long as there have been miserable creatures known as humans, have had expectations from the beginning. For example, if someone is having a baby girl, everything is automatically pink. What if that girl likes baseball or soccer or BLACK? What if that girl doesn't WANT to be made up like a doll and take ballet and be girly? What if, your precious God forbid, a baby boy is destined to be GAY? Yet doesn't every father dream of football practice and so forth? I'm not saying everyone should plan for a tomboy or a gay son--or daughter, I'm just using examples here--but parents have such ridiculously rigid expectations right from the get-go. They even go so far as to be disappointed by the GENDER of their child. What chance does that new person have to be themselves when they were born wrong, and didn't just turn out wrong like myself?

 

My point was not that I want a cell phone and a car and a credit card and to do whatever I want, but that I am tired of parents attempting to shape children to their own ideals. If they themselves never got to play an instrument, the child is inevitably signed up for music lessons, regardless of whether or not they want them. Yes, it can be enriching and so on and so forth, but some parents refuse to hear the opinions of their children. I am tired of being unwanted because I didn't turn out the way my mother wanted me to. I am not a frilly Catholic who sits quietly in her little pink dress. No child deserves to grow up with these expectations, these 'at your age I had already done this, I was like that' comparisons. Every person is individual, and parents are unwilling, in general from my observations (being a child, I knew many others, and therefore their parents), to give a flying fuck about who their child really is and what they want.

 

Why are so many young people depressed and killing themselves? They want to be heard, and parents have, for some reason, stopped listening. Demands are higher, understanding is at a bare minimum. In short, everything's all fucked up and no one seems to be able to be themself. That's what I'm pissed about today.

 

 

PS: I have a full time job, if you want to get into nitpicking.

 

Well thank you for explaining that, and indeed it did change my perception of you.You made a very valid argument.

 

And, on a side note... so your FEMALE huh ??? Wow, and all this time I thought you were a GUY and that you were GAY !!!!

 

MY BAD !!

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First of all, a bit fat 'shut the fuck up' to Jhony5 and phreak, meaning no disrespect of course. That being said, next comes the egg on my face for not explaining what I meant, and I do admit that I should have been clearer. But more than anything, I'm pissed off that you think so little of me as to assume that I'm just being a whiny teenager. I'm not talking about parents steering childern down a positive path and so on blah blah blah, I'm talking about people quite literally telling me who I should be and how I should dress and so on. And no, I don't wear hooker boots or fishnet or anything of the sort--I wear jeans and t shirts, and my mother wants me to wear dresses and makeup. This is not who I am, and I am COMPLETELY within my right to be upset because of this. Someone is trying to control me--to change me into someone and something I am not. To make me social when I prefer to be alone--not for any stupid and melodramatic reason. To make me Catholic when I'm an atheist. To make me enjoy lace and frills and fucking wicker baskets and dolls when I do NOT. I'm not talking about 'I want to stay out past 11' like some spoiled, stupid little bitch.

 

Oh, and by the way, I am female, not male. So HER profile says SHE is 17, but thanks anyway Tizz. Apparantly lack of age is my only defense for wanting to defy my parent by being myself. Parents are of course within THEIR right to try to keep their children from making huge and terrible mistakes like...I don't know, snorting coke or what have you. Whatever the idiots are doing these days. I'm talking about trivial attempts to control and shape children into their own ideals. Parents these days, and probably for as long as there have been miserable creatures known as humans, have had expectations from the beginning. For example, if someone is having a baby girl, everything is automatically pink. What if that girl likes baseball or soccer or BLACK? What if that girl doesn't WANT to be made up like a doll and take ballet and be girly? What if, your precious God forbid, a baby boy is destined to be GAY? Yet doesn't every father dream of football practice and so forth? I'm not saying everyone should plan for a tomboy or a gay son--or daughter, I'm just using examples here--but parents have such ridiculously rigid expectations right from the get-go. They even go so far as to be disappointed by the GENDER of their child. What chance does that new person have to be themselves when they were born wrong, and didn't just turn out wrong like myself?

 

My point was not that I want a cell phone and a car and a credit card and to do whatever I want, but that I am tired of parents attempting to shape children to their own ideals. If they themselves never got to play an instrument, the child is inevitably signed up for music lessons, regardless of whether or not they want them. Yes, it can be enriching and so on and so forth, but some parents refuse to hear the opinions of their children. I am tired of being unwanted because I didn't turn out the way my mother wanted me to. I am not a frilly Catholic who sits quietly in her little pink dress. No child deserves to grow up with these expectations, these 'at your age I had already done this, I was like that' comparisons. Every person is individual, and parents are unwilling, in general from my observations (being a child, I knew many others, and therefore their parents), to give a flying fuck about who their child really is and what they want.

 

Why are so many young people depressed and killing themselves? They want to be heard, and parents have, for some reason, stopped listening. Demands are higher, understanding is at a bare minimum. In short, everything's all fucked up and no one seems to be able to be themself. That's what I'm pissed about today.

 

 

PS: I have a full time job, if you want to get into nitpicking.

 

 

 

Well, I guess you don't have to worry about having kids, do ya?

fucking freak ass

L-E-S-B-I-A-N

 

I've met your kind before. Angry young gay who's bitter because your sexualy confused.

 

For example, if someone is having a baby girl, everything is automaticaly pink.

 

Duhhhhh! Are you fucking retarded? What other color should they pick to decorate their baby girls nursery with? Should they just try and guess that their daughter is going to be a rebelious goth wanna be lesbo who likes black?

The problem with you is you have no fucking idea what troubles your folks went through to bring you into the world. You don't have the slightest idea what its like to have hopes and fears for your child. Why would anyone want their child to bear the burden and rejection of the gay lifestyle? Of course they will try to steer you away from that. Do you have any idea what the suicide rate is for gay teenagers?

 

What you need is to have your little computer taken away and to be put over your fathers knee and spanked until your little white ass turns PINK.

 

I don't hate gays, so don't get me wrong. But whats the deal with gays always mentioning the fact that their gay? You don't hear me reminding everyone i'm hetero in every post. Seriously, get over your gayness. It must really trouble you since you keep mentioning it. What you need little girl is to get grudge fucked so hard you cough up your girlfriends pubic hair ball.

WOW no offence but, welcome to what every generation says about their parents LOL Yours will say the same about you and so on and so forth. It's part of life and whether you believe me or not, you WILL get over it as you get older. I just find it amusing how so much never changes and when we are young we see the world from such a different perspective. I am not busting on you just kind of reminiscing about my own youth. I don't mean any disrespect I just find it amusing. When I was seventeen I would have agrteed %110 with you. Now I am just waiting for my own kid to say tht same crap about me.

 

I'm afraid that the only one confused or frightened by their own, or someone else's, sexuality is you. Only people who are concerned for their own 'alignment' fear homosexuals, and, well, from where I'm sitting, the stench of fear is unbearable. I feel sorry for you. On that note, I have never seen an intelligent discussion dissolve so rapidly into childish name-calling. So even though you insult not only my maturity and intelligence but your own as well, I will attempt to reply to your remarks.

 

There is no reason for parents to have children with expectations already in place. There is absolutely no reason to assume that because a person is female, they will enjoy the colour pink, or lace, or dresses, or dolls. Many girls hate that kind of thing, and their sexuality has no bearing over it. You obviously have the same rigid definitions of what is male and what is female, and as far as they are concerned, what is right or wrong. I feel sorry as well for any children who have unforunately already been born of you, or who will have the future misfortune of it.

 

As far as my parents go, I could give a damn what troubles they went through to have me. Not only because I'd give anything to undo it, but because it really isn't that hard to fuck. That's why we're all sitting here, isn't it? Anything after that is just an unhappy side effect. Besides, they didn't go through any hardships for me, they did it for themselves. If they had any common sense or thought for what would be best for their future child, they obviously never would have had me. What sane person would want a defenseless and innocent creature to go forth into this shithole? I was much happier as energy, I can tell you that for certain. But the point is that they went through all that because THEY wanted a child, because THEY had things they wanted to do with a child--the joys of parenting or whatever these lunatics are thinking when they decide to commit such a selfish act. Having a child is not something beautiful, ladies and gents, it should be a crime.

 

And as for your attempt to include facts, I'll simply respond in kind [with another question.] Don't you know the suicide rate for teens in general? It has little to do with whether or not they are homosexual. Teens are unhappy, and yet everyone continues to believe that that says more about the teens than about the world.

 

I can't exactly speak for gay people, but I figure that they 'mention' that they're gay because they're proud to have overcome the towering obstacle presenting by society and idiots such as yourself who try to stand in their way--with all their hateful, white, christian stupidity--and keep them from being themselves. They defied the powers that be and have freed themselves. It is the same way that I proudly 'mention' that I am an atheist--I feel sorry for people who have not discovered the same truths. It is a feeling of enlightenment, that's all. And by the way, you can't 'steer children away' from being homosexual. It's not something they choose. After all, why WOULD so many people choose to BE so hated and feared and rejected? They're only trying to be themselves. You can no more change a gay person than a male one. A guy can't be 'steered' into being a girl any more than you can change who someone is attracted to. You can't change chemicals, after all. It's all chemicals in the brain.

 

Well, I suppose if you were in a freaky SF movie you might be able to, but that would just be....a huge waste of time, and remarkably hateful. Anyway, a brain is wired the way it is, that's all there is to it.

 

 

Wow...this post sure went to shit huh? Oh and IMO kids are just getting worse and worse...could it be because of the parents or is it that kids are just straight up out of control and dumber than their predecessors?

 

Oh yeah, anyone else care to answer the other questions I had on the first page of this post?

 

Sorry, Outlaw. I bet you'd rather not hear my two cents but I'll give 'em anyway.

 

"I am quite serious when I talk about not having all these extra people running around. These days, there is more and more incopetence to taking care of a child...especially when these stupid fucking teenagers have them."

 

I agree entirely. Not only is the population ridiculously out of control, but any moron from the red states can breed, creating and shaping MORE little morons and so on and so forth down the line to the imminent destruction of the planet. Hurah! Anyone of any age and intelligence and HEALTH can have all the kids they want--it's lunacy.

 

"..when you have those kids, it is your duty as a parent to take care of them and set them on the right path. Let them choose a positive path and help them stick with it. Discipline is need to accomplish this. I may not be a parent but think about it. If I ever get stupid enough to have kids, I will steer them onto the right path and keep them there by any means. You can only give them so many privlidges to them at a certain age. It is all a part of growing up...but as they get older, they gain more independence. You cannot grant them this at such a young age."

 

It's true that children need some guidance, and of course lots of protection. My only concern with this comment is that everyone's idea of the "right" path is different. For example, my right path is VERY different from, say, a Catholic's right path. Or a Muslim's, or someone that of a Jewish person. People of different backgrounds have different ideas about what is right or acceptable, and that gets transferred to the children, which shapes if not who they are then who they think they SHOULD be. This causes massive amounts of stress, and plenty of suicide and/or mental problems. It's a tricky thing.

 

""The best way to contribute to society is to stop having kids." - Dante Hinson Now THAT'S a quote! And a true statement..."

 

Abso-fucking-lutely, and that's all I can really say about that.

 

 

Of course I wanna hear your two cents. That's why i posted all that stuff in the first place. I know the person who originally posted on that other site was a lil bit overboard but also had some valid points. I (Insect on the other site.) just simply responded with what I knew. I made up that quote myself, it sounds harsh to the people who wanna have kids but think about it...there are plenty of kids out there that don' have a future and cannot have one...why can't we care for them instead of bringing more potentially worthless people into this world?

 

And I agree with ya about the whole "right path" argument.

Wow, this DID deteriorate fast, didn't it? Ridiculous name-calling aside, the fact that everyone immediately assumes SD was talking about being gay when she said nothing of the sort is interesting, and probably reveals a lot about personal insecurities... but back to the real topic.

 

I agree with SD here. What I don't get, is why do people forget/disregard how they felt when they were younger as soon as they have kids of their own? If you obviously remember enough to say "Well, I felt that way as a kid, too", then why doesn't anyone use that knowledge to try to have a better relationship with their children? You know how they feel, you know what upsets them because you've been there before. You'd think more parents would be able to be sensitive enough to the needs of their kids to bridge the generation gap a little.

 

Having children - bad idea in almost every case. Personally, the only reason I fully intend to have at least one child when I grow up is that the world needs a nice, hand-crafted, well-done individual to combat the hordes of mass-produced idiots out there. People have kids like it's nothing, but no one has a clue how to raise them properly, not even the people who form angry organizations to loudly proclaim themselves 'parents'. The world is overpopulated with people who've been raised to be just as stupid as the generation before... only there's more of them now. Adding to the good quotes about children.. here's one from a book by Patrick O'Brian - "I would not add to the misery of the world by putting more people into it."

 

I understand that parents have hopes and dreams for their children. They'd be damn pathetic parents if they didn't. But what they need to keep in mind is that the little creature they're raising is a developing human being, not a ball of clay to be shaped into the person that they want them to be. The purpose of parenting is to give a child a basis as a human being(as much as I would love to find another phrase) so that they have the wisdom to make their own choices in their life and end up as the person that makes THEM happy, even if that's not what their parents would chose. Young children need to be cared for and loved, and helped to developed as a person. They should not be steered, or molded, or 'protected' in that sickening way that seems to be so popular lately.

 

You all mentioned teen scuicide. Do you know when the age group of 'teenager' actually emerged? The 1800s, when the perception of young people dramatically changed from 'potential contributors to the society' to 'our little angels'. Back when things were dificult, children had no choice but to be thrown headfirst into life, because everyone was needed to keep society flowing with the lack of mechanization. Once things got easier, people started trying to protect children from reality as long as possible. That's when adolescence happened - the switch over from being coddled to being expected to be able to handle the world all on your own. It's painful. And it's only gotten worse as children have become more and more idolized. The more parents keep their kids uninformed of the horrors of the world, the harder and deeper the plunge is when it happens. Hell, somewhere, subconciously, it took me until two years ago to really realize that you couldn't trust the people you were suposed to. You're raised thinking authority figures such as teachers are automatically safe and good - what are you going to think when you get molested after class? It's one of many possible examples. Teenagers are surly and universally depressed and try to kill themselves a lot. Well, what do you expect? They have to face a very ugly world that they've been taught was pretty and safe. Gay teenagers kill themselves a lot? How would you feel if you couldn't shake a feeling you have, a feeling you've been taught is wrong, or even never seen before because it's incredibly illegal to let small children know homosexuality exists. Why wouldn't you kill yourself?

 

Well, I'd like to have a nice conclusion, but I've been writing for a while, and there's my two bits, take 'em or leave em.

SD is gay???? 8o