OT: John McCains abortion flip flop...

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Mr4701

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and others...

It's clear this guy is using the "you are a flip flopper" tool because it
was so effective against John Kerry. It is also an effective tool to use
with the rural/average conservative or /urban/average liberal.


http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html
Just to follow-up briefly on Michael's guest-post from yesterday, Sen. John
McCain's (R-Ariz.) new-found opposition to Roe v. Wade is rather remarkable,
even for him.

In 1999, McCain was in New Hampshire, campaigning for the GOP nomination as
a moderate. He proclaimed himself a pro-life candidate, but told reporters
that "in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal
of Roe v. Wade." He explained that overturning Roe would force "women in
America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations." Yesterday,
campaigning for the GOP nomination as a conservative, McCain said the
opposite.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me ask one question about abortion. Then I want to
turn to Iraq. You're for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, with
some exceptions for life and rape and incest.

MCCAIN: Rape, incest and the life of the mother. Yes.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So is President Bush, yet that hasn't advanced in the six
years he's been in office. What are you going to do to advance a
constitutional amendment that President Bush hasn't done?

MCCAIN: I don't think a constitutional amendment is probably going to take
place, but I do believe that it's very likely or possible that the Supreme
Court should - could overturn Roe v. Wade, which would then return these
decisions to the states, which I support.. Just as I believe that the issue
of gay marriage should be decided by the states, so do I believe that we
would be better off by having Roe v. Wade return to the states.

The old McCain didn't want an amendment and didn't want Roe overturned. The
new McCain completely disagrees with the old McCain.

It's worth noting that politicians' opinions on abortion can, and often do,
"evolve" over time. Dick Gephardt and Al Gore, for example, both opposed
abortion rights before eventually becoming pro-choice. With this in mind,
McCain's unexpected shift may simply reflect yet another pol whose thinking
has changed over time.

Or, far more likely, McCain is once again abandoning any pretense of
consistency and integrity, and is now willing to say literally anything to
win.

Let's return, once again, to McCain's flourishing flip-flop list, which is
now a Top 11 list.

McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance"
in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans
"deserved" the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell's debate
coach.)

McCain used to oppose Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he
reversed course in February.

In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being
corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential
campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly
violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In
April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his
name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill
for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began
to reconcile with Norquist.

McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White
House demands.

McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and
won't back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones
University before he was for it.

McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol.

McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

And now he's both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.

It's not exactly a newsflash that McCain is veering ridiculously to the
right in a rather shameless attempt to reinvent himself, but Dems should
take advantage of the situation and help establish the narrative now.
Despite his rather embarrassing record of late, we still have major media
figures telling the public that "no one would accuse McCain of equivocating
on anything."

Now is the time to begin characterizing McCain - accurately - as a man with
no principle beliefs. Dems should not only criticize McCain's constantly
evolving opinions on nearly everything, they should openly mock him for it
now, so that the storyline becomes second nature (like the GOP did with
"serial exaggerator" Al Gore).

The nation is seeing McCain 2.0, and we like the old one better.



--


________________________
"Let me note if you get endorsed by The New York Times you're probably not a
conservative," Mitt Romney
 
"Mr4701" <NoExists@Earth.net> wrote in message
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> and others...
>
> It's clear this guy is using the "you are a flip flopper" tool because it
> was so effective against John Kerry. It is also an effective tool to use
> with the rural/average conservative or /urban/average liberal.



Abortion is the equivalent of gun control. Neither issue will EVER be
settled. But, candidates and their critics will debate it forever, just
because it adds to the list of **** to debate.
 
In article <q_rqj.110704$ds2.91099@trnddc05>,
"Mr4701" <NoExists@Earth.net> wrote:

> and others...
>
> It's clear this guy is using the "you are a flip flopper" tool because it
> was so effective against John Kerry. It is also an effective tool to use
> with the rural/average conservative or /urban/average liberal.
>
>
> http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html
> Just to follow-up briefly on Michael's guest-post from yesterday, Sen. John
> McCain's (R-Ariz.) new-found opposition to Roe v. Wade is rather remarkable,
> even for him.
>
> In 1999, McCain was in New Hampshire, campaigning for the GOP nomination as
> a moderate. He proclaimed himself a pro-life candidate, but told reporters
> that "in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal
> of Roe v. Wade." He explained that overturning Roe would force "women in
> America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations." Yesterday,
> campaigning for the GOP nomination as a conservative, McCain said the
> opposite.
>
> STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me ask one question about abortion. Then I want to
> turn to Iraq. You're for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, with
> some exceptions for life and rape and incest.
>
> MCCAIN: Rape, incest and the life of the mother. Yes.
>
> STEPHANOPOULOS: So is President Bush, yet that hasn't advanced in the six
> years he's been in office. What are you going to do to advance a
> constitutional amendment that President Bush hasn't done?
>
> MCCAIN: I don't think a constitutional amendment is probably going to take
> place, but I do believe that it's very likely or possible that the Supreme
> Court should - could overturn Roe v. Wade, which would then return these
> decisions to the states, which I support.. Just as I believe that the issue
> of gay marriage should be decided by the states, so do I believe that we
> would be better off by having Roe v. Wade return to the states.
>
> The old McCain didn't want an amendment and didn't want Roe overturned. The
> new McCain completely disagrees with the old McCain.
>
> It's worth noting that politicians' opinions on abortion can, and often do,
> "evolve" over time. Dick Gephardt and Al Gore, for example, both opposed
> abortion rights before eventually becoming pro-choice. With this in mind,
> McCain's unexpected shift may simply reflect yet another pol whose thinking
> has changed over time.
>
> Or, far more likely, McCain is once again abandoning any pretense of
> consistency and integrity, and is now willing to say literally anything to
> win.
>
> Let's return, once again, to McCain's flourishing flip-flop list, which is
> now a Top 11 list.
>
> McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance"
> in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans
> "deserved" the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell's debate
> coach.)
>
> McCain used to oppose Bush's tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he
> reversed course in February.
>
> In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being
> corrupt, spending "dirty money" to help finance Bush's presidential
> campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly
> violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In
> April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.
>
> McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his
> name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.
>
> McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill
> for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began
> to reconcile with Norquist.
>
> McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White
> House demands.
>
> McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and
> won't back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.
>
> McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones
> University before he was for it.
>
> McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he's pro-ethanol.
>
> McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
>
> And now he's both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.
>
> It's not exactly a newsflash that McCain is veering ridiculously to the
> right in a rather shameless attempt to reinvent himself, but Dems should
> take advantage of the situation and help establish the narrative now.
> Despite his rather embarrassing record of late, we still have major media
> figures telling the public that "no one would accuse McCain of equivocating
> on anything."
>
> Now is the time to begin characterizing McCain - accurately - as a man with
> no principle beliefs. Dems should not only criticize McCain's constantly
> evolving opinions on nearly everything, they should openly mock him for it
> now, so that the storyline becomes second nature (like the GOP did with
> "serial exaggerator" Al Gore).
>
> The nation is seeing McCain 2.0, and we like the old one better.


McCain is really troubling for the dimmies isn't he.

I think he'll be in the WH next Jan.
--


"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Hillary Clinton

need I say more
 
"dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message
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> McCain is really troubling for the dimmies isn't he.
>
> I think he'll be in the WH next Jan.


He's troubling for real conservatives as well. Let's not forget the New York
Times oped folks endorsed this guy.
 
In article <BKsqj.50591$K%.12704@trnddc04>,
"Mr4701" <NoExists@Earth.net> wrote:

> "dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message
> news:nospam-562299.18202906022008@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > McCain is really troubling for the dimmies isn't he.
> >
> > I think he'll be in the WH next Jan.

>
> He's troubling for real conservatives as well. Let's not forget the New York
> Times oped folks endorsed this guy.


I think McCain will make a fine president.
--


"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Hillary Clinton

need I say more
 
"dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message
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> I think McCain will make a fine president.


I don't think he will win the Presidency. People who vote to the left will
vote to the left anyway... and true conservatives will stay home. Most
figure.. why moderate the party? If we are going to have a liberal in office
then it might as well be their side...
 
"Pam" <PFaust@fortune-johnson.com> wrote in message
news:a52f16e3-c9ac-45f7-8e68-b6bcd7e361f1@m34g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>Bush has ****ed up so bad that there is no chance another Republican
>will get in this time. I just pray to my God that Hilary doesn't get
>in.


I think a little differently.. I think Bush has done no worse than any other
presidents on most issues yet gets more sh_t on it than most... But his big
problem is the way he spends... and whats worse is how he somehow convinces
Congress to approve the bills.
 
In article
<a52f16e3-c9ac-45f7-8e68-b6bcd7e361f1@m34g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Pam <PFaust@fortune-johnson.com> wrote:

> On Feb 6, 8:19
 
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Mr4701" <NoExists@Earth.net> wrote in message
> news:q_rqj.110704$ds2.91099@trnddc05...
>> and others...
>>
>> It's clear this guy is using the "you are a flip flopper" tool because it
>> was so effective against John Kerry. It is also an effective tool to use
>> with the rural/average conservative or /urban/average liberal.

>
>
> Abortion is the equivalent of gun control. Neither issue will EVER be
> settled. But, candidates and their critics will debate it forever, just
> because it adds to the list of **** to debate.
>
>



I don't know who you are.....but that is the same thing I have been
saying for goddamn years. You must also be a damn genius.
 
"Captain America" <america.captain@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> "Mr4701" <NoExists@Earth.net> wrote in message
>> news:q_rqj.110704$ds2.91099@trnddc05...
>>> and others...
>>>
>>> It's clear this guy is using the "you are a flip flopper" tool because
>>> it was so effective against John Kerry. It is also an effective tool to
>>> use with the rural/average conservative or /urban/average liberal.

>>
>>
>> Abortion is the equivalent of gun control. Neither issue will EVER be
>> settled. But, candidates and their critics will debate it forever, just
>> because it adds to the list of **** to debate.

>
>
> I don't know who you are.....but that is the same thing I have been saying
> for goddamn years. You must also be a damn genius.



Let's start a club and have secret ****in' decoder rings!
 
"dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message
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> McCain will make a fine president. He is a shoe-in as there is nobody
> out there that is even close.


You sound like a robot. To me, it sounds like you don't care who wins as
long as they have an (r) next to their name. In other words, if Hillary were
a Republican and McCain were a Democrat (which for all intents and purposes,
he is), you would vote for Hillary.

I despise Hillary, McCain, and Obama... but enjoy destroying the GOP if
McCain becomes the nominee.
 
In article <Uwvqj.23883$qI.3259@trnddc03>,
"Mr4701" <NoExists@Earth.net> wrote:

> "dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message
> news:nospam-A2D47A.20282006022008@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > McCain will make a fine president. He is a shoe-in as there is nobody
> > out there that is even close.

>
> You sound like a robot. To me, it sounds like you don't care who wins as
> long as they have an (r) next to their name. In other words, if Hillary were
> a Republican and McCain were a Democrat (which for all intents and purposes,
> he is), you would vote for Hillary.
>
> I despise Hillary, McCain, and Obama... but enjoy destroying the GOP if
> McCain becomes the nominee.


Rush needs a break. Maybe a couple weeks. Rush needs to get renewed.

You've been listening to too much Rush L. lately. Rush has suddenly
become full of bullshit in the past week or two.

McCain will make a fine president.
--


"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Hillary Clinton

need I say more
 
On 06 Feb 2008, Mr4701 wrote:

>
> "dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message
> news:nospam-CC30FF.19131006022008@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> I think McCain will make a fine president.

>
> I don't think he will win the Presidency. People who vote to the left
> will vote to the left anyway... and true conservatives will stay home.
> Most figure.. why moderate the party? If we are going to have a liberal
> in office then it might as well be their side...
>



So who do the Republicans really want?

C'mon, you can tell us!



(Note: dead people like Reagan or Jesus don't count.)
 
"dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message
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| In article <Uwvqj.23883$qI.3259@trnddc03>,
| "Mr4701" <NoExists@Earth.net> wrote:
|
| > "dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message
| > news:nospam-A2D47A.20282006022008@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
| > > McCain will make a fine president. He is a shoe-in as there is nobody
| > > out there that is even close.
| >
| > You sound like a robot. To me, it sounds like you don't care who wins as
| > long as they have an (r) next to their name. In other words, if Hillary
were
| > a Republican and McCain were a Democrat (which for all intents and
purposes,
| > he is), you would vote for Hillary.
| >
| > I despise Hillary, McCain, and Obama... but enjoy destroying the GOP if
| > McCain becomes the nominee.
|
| Rush needs a break. Maybe a couple weeks. Rush needs to get renewed.
|
| You've been listening to too much Rush L. lately. Rush has suddenly
| become full of bullshit in the past week or two.
|
Suddenly?!!?!!!???? Bwaaahaaahhaaaa!!!!!!!!!!

| McCain will make a fine president.
| --
|
Yep.
 
"dbu" <nospam@nospam.moc> wrote in message
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> Rush needs a break. Maybe a couple weeks. Rush needs to get renewed.
>
> You've been listening to too much Rush L. lately. Rush has suddenly
> become full of bullshit in the past week or two.
>
> McCain will make a fine president.


Actually I could care less about what Rush says... I don't listen to the guy
and nor care what he says.

However, you have confirmed you are a robot to me.
 
"Jorge W. Arbusto, Presidentchul Candydate"
<CleaningOutTheStables@fakeranch.tx> wrote in message
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> Suddenly?!!?!!!???? Bwaaahaaahhaaaa!!!!!!!!!!



Rush has always been a piece of ****...

on the other hand... McCain has been, also.
 
"Non-TweedlePug Voter" <byebye@tweedleDims.com> wrote in message
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> So who do the Republicans really want?
>
> C'mon, you can tell us!


If you add Huckabee and Romneys votes together, it would not be McCain.
 
"Mr4701" <NoExists@Earth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Non-TweedlePug Voter" <byebye@tweedleDims.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A3D29853C735swmjhcde@216.168.3.44...
>> So who do the Republicans really want?
>>
>> C'mon, you can tell us!

>
> If you add Huckabee and Romneys votes together, it would not be McCain.
>



Romney just went down in flames. He's out of the game.
 
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Mr4701" <NoExists@Earth.net> wrote in message
> news:sFIqj.110771$ds2.62922@trnddc05...
>>
>> "Non-TweedlePug Voter" <byebye@tweedleDims.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A3D29853C735swmjhcde@216.168.3.44...
>>> So who do the Republicans really want?
>>>
>>> C'mon, you can tell us!

>>
>> If you add Huckabee and Romneys votes together, it would not be McCain.
>>

>
>
> Romney just went down in flames. He's out of the game.


He did not go down in flames. He left with respect and dignity. Hence my
post "the GOP" is officially dead.
 
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