phreakwars Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 This issue was held off by the courts for 60 days to get the publics response.. should the pill be an over the counter product ?? http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1044127.php/FDA_postpones_ruling_on_morning-after_pill . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokersarewild Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 This is, and most likely will be, always argued about. I think that there is no reason to withhold it from those who want/need it and don't want to get embarrased by going to the doctor. The whole "abortion" thing is extremely stupid, though. It is not an early abortion, as that would mean ANY form of birth control is an abortion, and that is not true. Abortion is the killing of a small, possibly undeveloped human. There is no human in this. Anyway, you probably should have started a poll on this, as it is a very controversial subject. Lemme guess...you want our google ratings to shoot up? But back to the subject, these pills are pretty much like an "oops, I made a baby" birth control pill. Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vortex Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 Goodness does this mean we wont have to see those crappo billboards of a cute kid drooling all over themselves with the caption "my heart started beating in so and so days"? If so, hell give the shit away. Im sick and tired of the fact that foster homes and orphanages are overcrowded or there isnt enough people to adopt yet gay people cant do it all the same. If straight people cant wear a condom, nevermind the safe sex issue, then they shouldnt be having sex......nor should they have any reproductive rights. One drunken encounter doesnt equal fucking up anothers life (being the kid). im for selling them in gas station bathrooms! Quote -I don't know about you...but I am SICK and tired of being nice and understanding!!! -The Liver is evil and must be punished! -The Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. How can your opinion be the correct one....if, infact, its only an opinion?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angie Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 I see no reason they shouldn't be legal for women over 18. Say you have unprotected sex/the condom breaks on a Friday, what are the chances you will be able to get an emergency visit before Monday? You only have 72 hours, and that's cutting it VERY close. And for those without insurance, it will save them the cost of the doctor's visit which is expensive Quote http://www.darwinawards.com/ http://www.snopes.com http://www.breakthechain.org STOP THE SPAM!! Click Me You Know You Want To Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phreakwars Posted August 27, 2005 Author Share Posted August 27, 2005 Anyway, you probably should have started a poll on this, as it is a very controversial subject. A poll it is !! . . Quote https://www.facebook.com/phreakwars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokersarewild Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 And 2 people voted no...hmmm...I wonder who. Quote RoyalOrleans is my real dad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8_BALL Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 And 2 people voted no...hmmm...I wonder who. 3 Now. It is not an early abortion, as that would mean ANY form of birth control is an abortion, and that is not true. Abortion is the killing of a small, possibly undeveloped human. There is no human in this. Ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 27, 2005 Share Posted August 27, 2005 The fact that the FDA is so willing to toss out the safety of women across the country for a little good PR astounds me, REALLY!! Though the morning after pill is not as complicated as as RU486, it still carries possibilities for side effects based on current medications, past pregnancy issues and will only DO any good when use RIGHT AWAY. Anytime ANYTHING has to do with a woman's reproductive process, it NEEDS to be overseen by a DR. The moring after pill works by screwing with a woman's hormones (like the BC pill). Do you really think it should be up to anyone who THINKS they need this to decide if it would be safe for them? I am just MAD as hell right now, especially since putting this over the counter would most effect the young, poor, and ognorant who are allready at the highest risk for complications from sex. This HAS to be one of the most blatently irresponsible things I have ever seen thrown out by the FDA. Why not make the BC pill over the counter while you are at it? Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyME Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Birth control and sex education are big issues with me. Personally, I feel that the morning after pill should not be available over the counter, for the simple fact that you'll have people that will abuse it. In saying this, I mean that they will be less likely to have safe sex, knowing that the pill is easily available. I feel the pill should be available at all hospitals, health departments, planned parenthood organizations and doctors offices. Heath department appointments are free for most people. They also can distribute the pill free of charge if the patient is unable to afford it. This would limit the misuse of the pill because the patient would have a health official explaining the side-effects...etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 I'm for FUCKING SELF DETERMINATION. It's NOBODY'S business but the woman who wishes to have that pill, and NOBODY has any right whatsoever to stand in her way, question her, or give her a sermon. IT'S NOBODY'S FUCKING BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY YOURS! GOT IT? GOOD. When will people learn that many many many things that they get so worked up about, have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with them and it is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS? Period. ( Said "in general"...Please don't personalize it) Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 But the pill is designed to be taken under the supervision of a DR. Why? It has side effects, is not for everyone and can interact with other medications. When you are talking about screwing with hormones, a DR really needs to be involved. The FDA is puting out for public opinion. Sorry but my reproductive abilities and health should not depend on public opinion. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 Every single over the counter drug you can buy has the potential for side effects, harm, or even death. The "public safety" issue is a smoke screen. It's just another way to invade the privacy of the woman. Tizz...you'd never need the damn thing anyway now would you? So, where's the beef then? Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8_BALL Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 I'm for FUCKING SELF DETERMINATION. It's NOBODY'S business but the woman who wishes to have that pill, and NOBODY has any right whatsoever to stand in her way, question her, or give her a sermon. IT'S NOBODY'S FUCKING BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY YOURS! GOT IT? GOOD. When will people learn that many many many things that they get so worked up about, have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with them and it is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS? Period. ( Said "in general"...Please don't personalize it) ( Said "in general"...Please don't personalize it) I disagree and I'll tell you why. I understand that a lot of people think that it's the woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 True . But when it comes to a woman's body and what these pills do to it, the chemestry is mindblowing. I refused (and always will) to go on the pill because of what it does to the body and because if not done carefully can either not work at all or screw up chances to have a child when ou choose not to mention the risks of breast cancer and stroke Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 -ball, in order for the MApill to be effective it must be taken BEFORE conception, there fore it simply acts to stop the possibility to become pregnant. I think you are confused with RU486. MA pill is simply birth control. (though still with it's own dangers) Common misconception. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 ( Said "in general"...Please don't personalize it) I disagree and I'll tell you why. I understand that a lot of people think that it's the woman 1 Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 It may be a woan's business, but it is the responsibility of the FDA to make sure that she goes about her business safely and to put this over the counter contradicts that. Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 True . But when it comes to a woman's body and what these pills do to it, the chemestry is mindblowing. I refused (and always will) to go on the pill because of what it does to the body and because if not done carefully can either not work at all or screw up chances to have a child when ou choose not to mention the risks of breast cancer and stroke Yes, and isn't it wonderful that this is your business and NOBODY elese business. Your body. Your business. Okay? Okay. Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 It may be a woan's business, but it is the responsibility of the FDA to make sure that she goes about her business safely and to put this over the counter contradicts that. No more so than Pseudophed, or Benadryl, or Dextromorphan, or any of the many other over the counter meds which were once prescription only. Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 They do not effect the hormone's of a woman. Also for it to be effective it MUST be taken BEFORE conception and followed up to make sure it worked. Putting it over the counter will have women needlessly dumping hormones into their body (there is also a recomended amount of time between uses as well as recomended max total uses because of the hormone's) If a woman is on teh pill the MA pill can screw with the dosage. Spend an hour talking to an OBGYN about the risks women take surounding reproduction (and prevention of) It's SCARY as hell. Really, this NEEDS to be overseen by a gynocologist Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cogito Ergo Sum Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 They do not effect the hormone's of a woman. Also for it to be effective it MUST be taken BEFORE conception and followed up to make sure it worked. Putting it over the counter will have women needlessly dumping hormones into their body (there is also a recomended amount of time between uses as well as recomended max total uses because of the hormone's) If a woman is on teh pill the MA pill can screw with the dosage. Spend an hour talking to an OBGYN about the risks women take surounding reproduction (and prevention of) It's SCARY as hell. Really, this NEEDS to be overseen by a gynocologist That should be the woman's choice and not a stumbling block requirement. I hate to tell you this, but your pharmacist is a better consult on drugs and drug interaction than ANY doctor and it's part of their job and free. Doctors get 3 months of Pharmacopeia training in Medical School. PharmD's get 5-6 years of it. Quote . I put no stock in religion. By the word "religion" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much "religion" in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. WE'VE SPENT HOW MUCH IN IRAQ? www.costofwar.com - http://icasualties.org/oif/ - http://iraqbodycount.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8_BALL Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 I still stand by my previous statement. It may not be my business as of right now due to laws. Laws change with time and different leaders. I'm a registered voter, which in time may give me that right. You are right according to the law, not by morality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 So 8ball you disagree with the birth control pill? Or all forms of contraception? I am confused here Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 That should be the woman's choice and not a stumbling block requirement. I hate to tell you this, but your pharmacist is a better consult on drugs and drug interaction than ANY doctor and it's part of their job and free. Doctors get 3 months of Pharmacopeia training in Medical School. PharmD's get 5-6 years of it. Yes but the pharmacist cannot test or jusdge if you are allready pregnant or if the pill worked. When perscribed by a doctor the MA pill must be followed up with an in house pregnancy test Quote "An intelligence that is not humane is the most dangerous thing in the world" Ashley Montague "No one should have to walk alone" Phuong Du "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind" Ghandi "If I were asked to define an American in a single phrase, I would say 'An American is a person who has the right to be different' and I think that right is growing" William Manchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynthiaa89 Posted August 28, 2005 Share Posted August 28, 2005 It should be available without prescription. Sometimes. Depending on the circumstances. On one hand, if someone had a "slip", :o say it's a responsible people that were having sex and their condom broke/ripped or something, they should be able to handle it right then, just go to the hospital and take a pill, instead of waiting 3 months and having an abortion or something. On the other hand, stupid people would take advantage of it. Like these whores that just have unprotected sex with random people every weekend. No, they should not be able to just keep taking the thing over and over. So, it's kind of hard to say that you should be able to go get it without prescription or anything because a truly responsible person would have no problem going to the doctor the next day and getting it through him. Quote "Life's tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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