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Plan to help Turkey hit Kurds shows Bush hasn't learned

July 30, 2007

ROBERT NOVAK

The morass in Iraq and deepening difficulties in Afghanistan have not
deterred the Bush administration from taking on a dangerous and questionable
new secret operation. At a high level, U.S. officials are working with their
Turkish counterparts on a joint military operation to suppress Kurdish
guerrillas and capture their leaders. Through covert activity, their goal is
to forestall Turkey from invading Iraq.
While detailed operational plans are necessarily concealed, broad outlines
have been presented to selected members of Congress as required by law. U.S.
Special Forces are to work with the Turkish army to suppress the Kurds'
guerrilla campaign. The administration is trying to prevent opening another
war front in Iraq that would have disastrous consequences. But this gamble
risks major exposure and failure.

The Turkish initiative reflects the temperament and personality of George W.
Bush. Even faithful congressional supporters of his Iraq policy have been
stunned by the president's upbeat mood, oblivious to the loss of his
political base. Despite the failing effort to impose a military solution in
Iraq, he is willing to try imposing arms -- though clandestinely -- on
Turkey's ancient problems with its Kurdish minority, comprising one-fifth of
the country's population.

The development of an autonomous Kurdish entity inside Iraq, resulting from
the decline and fall of Saddam Hussein, has alarmed the Turkish government.
That led to Ankara's refusal to permit entry of U.S. combat troops through
Turkey into Iraq, an 11th hour complication for the 2003 invasion. As
political power grew for the Kurds inside Iraq, the Turkish government
became steadily more uneasy about the centuries-old project of a Kurdistan
spreading across international boundaries -- and chewing up big pieces of
Turkey.

The dormant PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party) Turkish Kurd guerrilla fighters
came to life. By June, the Turkish government was demonstrating its concern
by lobbing artillery shells across the border. Ankara began protesting, to
both Washington and Baghdad, that the PKK was using northern Iraq as a base
for guerrilla operations. On July 11 in Washington, Turkish Ambassador Nabi
Sensoy became the first Turkish official to claim publicly that the Iraqi
Kurds have claims on Turkish territory. On July 20 (two days before his
successful re-election), Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan
threatened a trans-border military incursion into Iraq against the Kurds. On
July 25, Murat Karayilan, head of the PKK Political Council, predicted "the
Turkish army will attack southern Kurdistan."

Turkey has a well-trained, well-equipped army of 250,000 near the border,
facing some 4,000 PKK fighters hiding in the mountains of northern Iraq. But
significant cross-border operations surely would bring to the PKK's side the
military forces of the Kurdistan Regional Government, the best U.S. ally in
Iraq. What is Washington to do in the dilemma of two friends battling each
other on an unwanted new front in Iraq?

The surprising answer was given in secret briefings on Capitol Hill last
week by Eric S. Edelman, a former aide to Vice President Dick Cheney and now
undersecretary of defense for policy. A Foreign Service officer who once was
U.S. ambassador to Turkey, he revealed to lawmakers plans for a covert
operation of U.S. Special Forces helping the Turks neutralize the PKK. They
would behead the guerrilla organization by helping Turkey get rid of PKK
leaders that they have targeted for years.

Edelman's listeners were stunned. Wasn't this risky? He responded he was
sure of success, adding that the U.S. role could be concealed and always
would be denied. Even if all this is true, some of the briefed lawmakers
left wondering whether this was a wise policy for handling the beleaguered
Kurds who had been betrayed so often by U.S. governments in years past.

Hard experience has not dissuaded President Bush from difficult ventures
employing the use of force. On the contrary, two of the most intrepid
supporters of the Iraq intervention -- John McCain and Lindsey Graham --
were surprised by Bush during a recent meeting with him. In sharing their
impressions with colleagues, they commented on how unconcerned the president
seemed. That may explain his willingness to embark on such a questionable
venture against the Kurds.
 
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:OhFri.5180$ij7.3594@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
> Plan to help Turkey hit Kurds shows Bush hasn't learned
>
> July 30, 2007
>
> ROBERT NOVAK
>
> The morass in Iraq and deepening difficulties in Afghanistan have not
> deterred the Bush administration from taking on a dangerous and
> questionable new secret operation. At a high level, U.S. officials are
> working with their Turkish counterparts on a joint military operation to
> suppress Kurdish guerrillas and capture their leaders. Through covert
> activity, their goal is to forestall Turkey from invading Iraq.
> While detailed operational plans are necessarily concealed, broad outlines
> have been presented to selected members of Congress as required by law.
> U.S. Special Forces are to work with the Turkish army to suppress the
> Kurds' guerrilla campaign. The administration is trying to prevent opening
> another war front in Iraq that would have disastrous consequences. But
> this gamble risks major exposure and failure.
>
> The Turkish initiative reflects the temperament and personality of George
> W. Bush. Even faithful congressional supporters of his Iraq policy have
> been stunned by the president's upbeat mood, oblivious to the loss of his
> political base. Despite the failing effort to impose a military solution
> in Iraq, he is willing to try imposing arms -- though clandestinely -- on
> Turkey's ancient problems with its Kurdish minority, comprising one-fifth
> of the country's population.
>
> The development of an autonomous Kurdish entity inside Iraq, resulting
> from the decline and fall of Saddam Hussein, has alarmed the Turkish
> government. That led to Ankara's refusal to permit entry of U.S. combat
> troops through Turkey into Iraq, an 11th hour complication for the 2003
> invasion. As political power grew for the Kurds inside Iraq, the Turkish
> government became steadily more uneasy about the centuries-old project of
> a Kurdistan spreading across international boundaries -- and chewing up
> big pieces of Turkey.
>
> The dormant PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party) Turkish Kurd guerrilla fighters
> came to life. By June, the Turkish government was demonstrating its
> concern by lobbing artillery shells across the border. Ankara began
> protesting, to both Washington and Baghdad, that the PKK was using
> northern Iraq as a base for guerrilla operations. On July 11 in
> Washington, Turkish Ambassador Nabi Sensoy became the first Turkish
> official to claim publicly that the Iraqi Kurds have claims on Turkish
> territory. On July 20 (two days before his successful re-election),
> Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened a trans-border
> military incursion into Iraq against the Kurds. On July 25, Murat
> Karayilan, head of the PKK Political Council, predicted "the Turkish army
> will attack southern Kurdistan."
>
> Turkey has a well-trained, well-equipped army of 250,000 near the border,
> facing some 4,000 PKK fighters hiding in the mountains of northern Iraq.
> But significant cross-border operations surely would bring to the PKK's
> side the military forces of the Kurdistan Regional Government, the best
> U.S. ally in Iraq. What is Washington to do in the dilemma of two friends
> battling each other on an unwanted new front in Iraq?
>
> The surprising answer was given in secret briefings on Capitol Hill last
> week by Eric S. Edelman, a former aide to Vice President Dick Cheney and
> now undersecretary of defense for policy. A Foreign Service officer who
> once was U.S. ambassador to Turkey, he revealed to lawmakers plans for a
> covert operation of U.S. Special Forces helping the Turks neutralize the
> PKK. They would behead the guerrilla organization by helping Turkey get
> rid of PKK leaders that they have targeted for years.
>
> Edelman's listeners were stunned. Wasn't this risky? He responded he was
> sure of success, adding that the U.S. role could be concealed and always
> would be denied. Even if all this is true, some of the briefed lawmakers
> left wondering whether this was a wise policy for handling the beleaguered
> Kurds who had been betrayed so often by U.S. governments in years past.
>
> Hard experience has not dissuaded President Bush from difficult ventures
> employing the use of force. On the contrary, two of the most intrepid
> supporters of the Iraq intervention -- John McCain and Lindsey Graham --
> were surprised by Bush during a recent meeting with him. In sharing their
> impressions with colleagues, they commented on how unconcerned the
> president seemed. That may explain his willingness to embark on such a
> questionable venture against the Kurds.
>
>


Iranians take American hostage, so an incoming president (Reagan) makes a
deal with them to sell the terrorists arms if they just hold the hostages
for as couple more weeks...

The president of the USA supplies WMD's to the Iraqi leader to offset the
problem that they just created in Iran - Reagan again.

The president of the USA sends his ambassador to Iraq because they are
massing an army on the border of Kuwait and she tells them the "US has no
interest in Iraq's border disputes". So of course when Iraq takes their
border deputes into their own hands- THEN the USA attacks them.

The CIA starts a dialogue and friendship with the Iraqi Kurds and offers
them support if the rebel against Saddam. When the do, the US does not help
and they get gassed by Iraq. This of course is part of the justification
for invading Iraq.

NOW Bush wants to help Turkey kill Kurds - they are the ONLY Ally the US
still has in Iraq!!!!

What's wrong with the republicans anyway - from the above it is obvious the
whole middle east mess is due to their meddling.
 
john wrote:
> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:OhFri.5180$ij7.3594@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>> Plan to help Turkey hit Kurds shows Bush hasn't learned
>>
>> July 30, 2007
>>
>> ROBERT NOVAK
>>
>> The morass in Iraq and deepening difficulties in Afghanistan have not
>> deterred the Bush administration from taking on a dangerous and
>> questionable new secret operation. At a high level, U.S. officials
>> are working with their Turkish counterparts on a joint military
>> operation to suppress Kurdish guerrillas and capture their leaders.
>> Through covert activity, their goal is to forestall Turkey from
>> invading Iraq. While detailed operational plans are necessarily
>> concealed, broad
>> outlines have been presented to selected members of Congress as
>> required by law. U.S. Special Forces are to work with the Turkish
>> army to suppress the Kurds' guerrilla campaign. The administration
>> is trying to prevent opening another war front in Iraq that would
>> have disastrous consequences. But this gamble risks major exposure
>> and failure. The Turkish initiative reflects the temperament and
>> personality of
>> George W. Bush. Even faithful congressional supporters of his Iraq
>> policy have been stunned by the president's upbeat mood, oblivious
>> to the loss of his political base. Despite the failing effort to
>> impose a military solution in Iraq, he is willing to try imposing
>> arms -- though clandestinely -- on Turkey's ancient problems with
>> its Kurdish minority, comprising one-fifth of the country's
>> population. The development of an autonomous Kurdish entity inside Iraq,
>> resulting from the decline and fall of Saddam Hussein, has alarmed
>> the Turkish government. That led to Ankara's refusal to permit entry
>> of U.S. combat troops through Turkey into Iraq, an 11th hour
>> complication for the 2003 invasion. As political power grew for the
>> Kurds inside Iraq, the Turkish government became steadily more
>> uneasy about the centuries-old project of a Kurdistan spreading
>> across international boundaries -- and chewing up big pieces of
>> Turkey. The dormant PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party) Turkish Kurd guerrilla
>> fighters came to life. By June, the Turkish government was
>> demonstrating its concern by lobbing artillery shells across the
>> border. Ankara began protesting, to both Washington and Baghdad,
>> that the PKK was using northern Iraq as a base for guerrilla
>> operations. On July 11 in Washington, Turkish Ambassador Nabi Sensoy
>> became the first Turkish official to claim publicly that the Iraqi
>> Kurds have claims on Turkish territory. On July 20 (two days before
>> his successful re-election), Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip
>> Erdogan threatened a trans-border military incursion into Iraq
>> against the Kurds. On July 25, Murat Karayilan, head of the PKK
>> Political Council, predicted "the Turkish army will attack southern
>> Kurdistan." Turkey has a well-trained, well-equipped army of 250,000 near
>> the
>> border, facing some 4,000 PKK fighters hiding in the mountains of
>> northern Iraq. But significant cross-border operations surely would
>> bring to the PKK's side the military forces of the Kurdistan
>> Regional Government, the best U.S. ally in Iraq. What is Washington
>> to do in the dilemma of two friends battling each other on an
>> unwanted new front in Iraq? The surprising answer was given in secret
>> briefings on Capitol Hill
>> last week by Eric S. Edelman, a former aide to Vice President Dick
>> Cheney and now undersecretary of defense for policy. A Foreign
>> Service officer who once was U.S. ambassador to Turkey, he revealed
>> to lawmakers plans for a covert operation of U.S. Special Forces
>> helping the Turks neutralize the PKK. They would behead the
>> guerrilla organization by helping Turkey get rid of PKK leaders that
>> they have targeted for years. Edelman's listeners were stunned. Wasn't
>> this risky? He responded he
>> was sure of success, adding that the U.S. role could be concealed
>> and always would be denied. Even if all this is true, some of the
>> briefed lawmakers left wondering whether this was a wise policy for
>> handling the beleaguered Kurds who had been betrayed so often by
>> U.S. governments in years past. Hard experience has not dissuaded
>> President Bush from difficult
>> ventures employing the use of force. On the contrary, two of the
>> most intrepid supporters of the Iraq intervention -- John McCain and
>> Lindsey Graham -- were surprised by Bush during a recent meeting
>> with him. In sharing their impressions with colleagues, they
>> commented on how unconcerned the president seemed. That may explain
>> his willingness to embark on such a questionable venture against the
>> Kurds.

>
> Iranians take American hostage, so an incoming president (Reagan)
> makes a deal with them to sell the terrorists arms if they just hold
> the hostages for as couple more weeks...
>
> The president of the USA supplies WMD's to the Iraqi leader to offset
> the problem that they just created in Iran - Reagan again.
>
> The president of the USA sends his ambassador to Iraq because they are
> massing an army on the border of Kuwait and she tells them the "US
> has no interest in Iraq's border disputes". So of course when Iraq
> takes their border deputes into their own hands- THEN the USA attacks
> them.
> The CIA starts a dialogue and friendship with the Iraqi Kurds and
> offers them support if the rebel against Saddam. When the do, the US
> does not help and they get gassed by Iraq. This of course is part of
> the justification for invading Iraq.
>
> NOW Bush wants to help Turkey kill Kurds - they are the ONLY Ally the
> US still has in Iraq!!!!
>
> What's wrong with the republicans anyway - from the above it is
> obvious the whole middle east mess is due to their meddling.



The problem is bush,jr.
He's ignorant of the Middle East.
He's arrogant.
He's incompetent
He learns nothing from experience.

After that you have a an ideologue like Cheney and all the incompetents that
bush,jr hired.
 
In article <OhFri.5180$ij7.3594@bignews9.bellsouth.net>, "Sid9"
<sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Plan to help Turkey hit Kurds shows Bush hasn't learned
>
> July 30, 2007
>
> ROBERT NOVAK
>
> The morass in Iraq and deepening difficulties in Afghanistan have not
> deterred the Bush administration from taking on a dangerous and questionable
> new secret operation. At a high level, U.S. officials are working with their
> Turkish counterparts on a joint military operation to suppress Kurdish
> guerrillas and capture their leaders. Through covert activity, their goal is
> to forestall Turkey from invading Iraq.
> While detailed operational plans are necessarily concealed, broad outlines
> have been presented to selected members of Congress as required by law. U.S.
> Special Forces are to work with the Turkish army to suppress the Kurds'
> guerrilla campaign. The administration is trying to prevent opening another
> war front in Iraq that would have disastrous consequences. But this gamble
> risks major exposure and failure.
>
> The Turkish initiative reflects the temperament and personality of George W.
> Bush. Even faithful congressional supporters of his Iraq policy have been
> stunned by the president's upbeat mood, oblivious to the loss of his
> political base. Despite the failing effort to impose a military solution in
> Iraq, he is willing to try imposing arms -- though clandestinely -- on
> Turkey's ancient problems with its Kurdish minority, comprising one-fifth of
> the country's population.
>
> The development of an autonomous Kurdish entity inside Iraq, resulting from
> the decline and fall of Saddam Hussein, has alarmed the Turkish government.
> That led to Ankara's refusal to permit entry of U.S. combat troops through
> Turkey into Iraq, an 11th hour complication for the 2003 invasion. As
> political power grew for the Kurds inside Iraq, the Turkish government
> became steadily more uneasy about the centuries-old project of a Kurdistan
> spreading across international boundaries -- and chewing up big pieces of
> Turkey.
>
> The dormant PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party) Turkish Kurd guerrilla fighters
> came to life. By June, the Turkish government was demonstrating its concern
> by lobbing artillery shells across the border. Ankara began protesting, to
> both Washington and Baghdad, that the PKK was using northern Iraq as a base
> for guerrilla operations. On July 11 in Washington, Turkish Ambassador Nabi
> Sensoy became the first Turkish official to claim publicly that the Iraqi
> Kurds have claims on Turkish territory. On July 20 (two days before his
> successful re-election), Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan
> threatened a trans-border military incursion into Iraq against the Kurds. On
> July 25, Murat Karayilan, head of the PKK Political Council, predicted "the
> Turkish army will attack southern Kurdistan."
>
> Turkey has a well-trained, well-equipped army of 250,000 near the border,
> facing some 4,000 PKK fighters hiding in the mountains of northern Iraq. But
> significant cross-border operations surely would bring to the PKK's side the
> military forces of the Kurdistan Regional Government, the best U.S. ally in
> Iraq. What is Washington to do in the dilemma of two friends battling each
> other on an unwanted new front in Iraq?
>
> The surprising answer was given in secret briefings on Capitol Hill last
> week by Eric S. Edelman, a former aide to Vice President Dick Cheney and now
> undersecretary of defense for policy. A Foreign Service officer who once was
> U.S. ambassador to Turkey, he revealed to lawmakers plans for a covert
> operation of U.S. Special Forces helping the Turks neutralize the PKK. They
> would behead the guerrilla organization by helping Turkey get rid of PKK
> leaders that they have targeted for years.
>
> Edelman's listeners were stunned. Wasn't this risky? He responded he was
> sure of success, adding that the U.S. role could be concealed and always
> would be denied. Even if all this is true, some of the briefed lawmakers
> left wondering whether this was a wise policy for handling the beleaguered
> Kurds who had been betrayed so often by U.S. governments in years past.
>
> Hard experience has not dissuaded President Bush from difficult ventures
> employing the use of force. On the contrary, two of the most intrepid
> supporters of the Iraq intervention -- John McCain and Lindsey Graham --
> were surprised by Bush during a recent meeting with him. In sharing their
> impressions with colleagues, they commented on how unconcerned the president
> seemed. That may explain his willingness to embark on such a questionable
> venture against the Kurds.

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ITS NOT A SECRET NOW. TELL THE WORLD --- STOP THIS IDIOT NOW.
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On Jul 31, 5:45 am, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Plan to help Turkey hit Kurds shows Bush hasn't learned
>
> July 30, 2007
>
> ROBERT NOVAK
>


> Edelman's listeners were stunned. Wasn't this risky? He responded he was
> sure of success, adding that the U.S. role could be concealed and always
> would be denied.


Even after he admits it, it will be denied. "Yeah, we had talked about
it, and said we would do it and deny it, but we didn't do it -- we
deny it."

BLP
 
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:LWGri.9726$x72.2847@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> john wrote:
>> "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:OhFri.5180$ij7.3594@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>>> Plan to help Turkey hit Kurds shows Bush hasn't learned
>>>
>>> July 30, 2007
>>>
>>> ROBERT NOVAK
>>>
>>> The morass in Iraq and deepening difficulties in Afghanistan have not
>>> deterred the Bush administration from taking on a dangerous and
>>> questionable new secret operation. At a high level, U.S. officials
>>> are working with their Turkish counterparts on a joint military
>>> operation to suppress Kurdish guerrillas and capture their leaders.
>>> Through covert activity, their goal is to forestall Turkey from
>>> invading Iraq. While detailed operational plans are necessarily
>>> concealed, broad
>>> outlines have been presented to selected members of Congress as
>>> required by law. U.S. Special Forces are to work with the Turkish
>>> army to suppress the Kurds' guerrilla campaign. The administration
>>> is trying to prevent opening another war front in Iraq that would
>>> have disastrous consequences. But this gamble risks major exposure
>>> and failure. The Turkish initiative reflects the temperament and
>>> personality of
>>> George W. Bush. Even faithful congressional supporters of his Iraq
>>> policy have been stunned by the president's upbeat mood, oblivious
>>> to the loss of his political base. Despite the failing effort to
>>> impose a military solution in Iraq, he is willing to try imposing
>>> arms -- though clandestinely -- on Turkey's ancient problems with
>>> its Kurdish minority, comprising one-fifth of the country's
>>> population. The development of an autonomous Kurdish entity inside Iraq,
>>> resulting from the decline and fall of Saddam Hussein, has alarmed
>>> the Turkish government. That led to Ankara's refusal to permit entry
>>> of U.S. combat troops through Turkey into Iraq, an 11th hour
>>> complication for the 2003 invasion. As political power grew for the
>>> Kurds inside Iraq, the Turkish government became steadily more
>>> uneasy about the centuries-old project of a Kurdistan spreading
>>> across international boundaries -- and chewing up big pieces of
>>> Turkey. The dormant PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party) Turkish Kurd guerrilla
>>> fighters came to life. By June, the Turkish government was
>>> demonstrating its concern by lobbing artillery shells across the
>>> border. Ankara began protesting, to both Washington and Baghdad,
>>> that the PKK was using northern Iraq as a base for guerrilla
>>> operations. On July 11 in Washington, Turkish Ambassador Nabi Sensoy
>>> became the first Turkish official to claim publicly that the Iraqi
>>> Kurds have claims on Turkish territory. On July 20 (two days before
>>> his successful re-election), Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip
>>> Erdogan threatened a trans-border military incursion into Iraq
>>> against the Kurds. On July 25, Murat Karayilan, head of the PKK
>>> Political Council, predicted "the Turkish army will attack southern
>>> Kurdistan." Turkey has a well-trained, well-equipped army of 250,000
>>> near the
>>> border, facing some 4,000 PKK fighters hiding in the mountains of
>>> northern Iraq. But significant cross-border operations surely would
>>> bring to the PKK's side the military forces of the Kurdistan
>>> Regional Government, the best U.S. ally in Iraq. What is Washington
>>> to do in the dilemma of two friends battling each other on an
>>> unwanted new front in Iraq? The surprising answer was given in secret
>>> briefings on Capitol Hill
>>> last week by Eric S. Edelman, a former aide to Vice President Dick
>>> Cheney and now undersecretary of defense for policy. A Foreign
>>> Service officer who once was U.S. ambassador to Turkey, he revealed
>>> to lawmakers plans for a covert operation of U.S. Special Forces
>>> helping the Turks neutralize the PKK. They would behead the
>>> guerrilla organization by helping Turkey get rid of PKK leaders that
>>> they have targeted for years. Edelman's listeners were stunned. Wasn't
>>> this risky? He responded he
>>> was sure of success, adding that the U.S. role could be concealed
>>> and always would be denied. Even if all this is true, some of the
>>> briefed lawmakers left wondering whether this was a wise policy for
>>> handling the beleaguered Kurds who had been betrayed so often by
>>> U.S. governments in years past. Hard experience has not dissuaded
>>> President Bush from difficult
>>> ventures employing the use of force. On the contrary, two of the
>>> most intrepid supporters of the Iraq intervention -- John McCain and
>>> Lindsey Graham -- were surprised by Bush during a recent meeting
>>> with him. In sharing their impressions with colleagues, they
>>> commented on how unconcerned the president seemed. That may explain
>>> his willingness to embark on such a questionable venture against the
>>> Kurds.

>>
>> Iranians take American hostage, so an incoming president (Reagan)
>> makes a deal with them to sell the terrorists arms if they just hold
>> the hostages for as couple more weeks...
>>
>> The president of the USA supplies WMD's to the Iraqi leader to offset
>> the problem that they just created in Iran - Reagan again.
>>
>> The president of the USA sends his ambassador to Iraq because they are
>> massing an army on the border of Kuwait and she tells them the "US
>> has no interest in Iraq's border disputes". So of course when Iraq
>> takes their border deputes into their own hands- THEN the USA attacks
>> them.
>> The CIA starts a dialogue and friendship with the Iraqi Kurds and
>> offers them support if the rebel against Saddam. When the do, the US
>> does not help and they get gassed by Iraq. This of course is part of
>> the justification for invading Iraq.
>>
>> NOW Bush wants to help Turkey kill Kurds - they are the ONLY Ally the
>> US still has in Iraq!!!!
>>
>> What's wrong with the republicans anyway - from the above it is
>> obvious the whole middle east mess is due to their meddling.

>
>
> The problem is bush,jr.
> He's ignorant of the Middle East.
> He's arrogant.
> He's incompetent
> He learns nothing from experience.
>
> After that you have a an ideologue like Cheney and all the incompetents
> that bush,jr hired.
>


The shrub never intended on winning this republican war, if he won then he
couldn't stand on stage and go "I'm a war president and that gives me
capital."
 
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