Guest nu n Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 did you unplug the computer when it was formatting? bb20 wrote: "error loading operating system" 08-Jan-09 Trying to refurbish an old pc:- install Win xp and I get the following message when I hit the enter key to 'boot from CD". During the POST, the bios were able to detect the PRI Master and the SEC Slave and it was set to boot from cd ron/hdd/floppy. I get the same message even when I change into another cd rom drive or the data cable. Thinking that CPU at 550mHz,(the RAM is 384 MB) may not be enough to install Win xp, I tried to install Win 2000 but there is no change in the situation. Is there any reason why I cant install the OS? Thanks Previous Posts In This Thread: On Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:20 AM bb20 wrote: "error loading operating system" Trying to refurbish an old pc:- install Win xp and I get the following message when I hit the enter key to 'boot from CD". During the POST, the bios were able to detect the PRI Master and the SEC Slave and it was set to boot from cd ron/hdd/floppy. I get the same message even when I change into another cd rom drive or the data cable. Thinking that CPU at 550mHz,(the RAM is 384 MB) may not be enough to install Win xp, I tried to install Win 2000 but there is no change in the situation. Is there any reason why I cant install the OS? Thanks On Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:14 AM Anna wrote: Re: "error loading operating system" "bb202" <bb202@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:41FECBA2-CB63-485E-BDF4-0B9F88934565@microsoft.com... bb202: There may be other problems affecting your system but first... First of all, we're assuming that whatever HDDs have been installed in the system have been properly configured (jumpered) & connected. Ditto for the optical drive(s). So do be sure to re:check these. The fact that the BIOS detects both HDDs during bootup is a good initial sign, but not an absolute indication that the drives have been properly connected/configured. Uninstall your secondary HDD from the system before fresh-installing the OS onto the primary HDD. Again, ensure that HDD is properly connected/configured. No other storage devices should be connected in the system when fresh-installing the OS. Assuming the XP install is successful, then connect your secondary HDD. Should the system fail to boot with both HDDs connected or you run into any other problems, check out both HDDs with the HDD diagnostic freely available from the disk's manufacturer. Anna On Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:53 PM bb20 wrote: There is only 1 hdd which is corrected jumped and connected to IDE1 (Pri There is only 1 hdd which is corrected jumped and connected to IDE1 (Pri Master) while the optical drive is also correctly jumped as Sec slave and connected tro IDE2. Siize of hdd is 20 gb. All connections check and seems ok "smlunatick" wrote: On Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:43 PM bb20 wrote: Re: "error loading operating system" It appears to be a bios problem in which I downloaded from http://www.findmysoft.com/drivers/download-Aopen-AX6B-1-20-bios-driver.html and save into A. When I set the pc to boot from A:, it just wont boot? Any idea what are the steps to update bios? Thanks "bb202" wrote: On Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:44 PM sgopu wrote: Have you installed a bootable sys on the floppy? Have you installed a bootable sys on the floppy? Usually you need to format and install some kind of operating system on the floppy before it will boot to it, a bios update is not an operating system. try downloading NTDOS from download.com and follow the instructions to create a bootable floppy. "bb202" wrote: On Friday, January 09, 2009 9:59 AM bb20 wrote: When I try to flash, it say my current version is AX6BCPro dd 10-22-1999 and When I try to flash, it say my current version is AX6BCPro dd 10-22-1999 and thus I have the wrong bios update. However on the mobo, its stated AX6BC Pro which I just cannot locate the bios. fyi, I downloaded the bios from here http://members.driverguide.com/index.php?action=dosearch&qa5=1&qa6=90&qa7=Windows+XP&dp=3&sm=b&fzz=d specifically AX6BC Pro II Any idea where can I get this bios update? Thanks "sgopus" wrote: On Friday, January 09, 2009 12:47 PM Paul wrote: Re: "error loading operating system" bb202 wrote: Why not go to the manufacturer's site ? Click your product, and then use the download link. You have to select the model again from the pulldown menu. http://global.aopen.com/search_prod.aspx?modl=ax6bc Example of a BIOS download. http://global.aopen.com/userdownload_List.aspx?RecNo=4402&Model=192 R1.19 1/6/2003 202.0 KB # checksum 6277H # Supports DieHard BIOS Lite. The download is a zip, consisting of a .bin file (256KB) and a flasher utility. I presume the flasher runs from a MSDOS boot floppy. With some manufacturers, they change the BIOS ID, and sometimes, when you attempt to change from a really old release, to a new one, the flasher may deny that the identity of the motherboard is correct. This happens occasionally on Asus motherboards, when they change BIOS release tools in mid-stream. Flashing a motherboard BIOS is not without its risks. If you "brick" the board, such that it won't boot, you'd want the BIOS chip to be socketed, so it can be removed. Some boards solder the BIOS chip right to the board. If the motherboard is socketed, you can go to a site like badflash.com and order another pre-programmed chip. As long as you can figure out what BIOS version to get programmed in the chip, it offers another way to repair a bricked system. Paul On Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:03 AM bb20 wrote: Many thanks for your info. Many thanks for your info. I click the 1st link and download from here http://global.aopen.com/userdownload_List.aspx?RecNo=4402&Model=192 the model AX6BC Pro file 6bcp107.exe Version R1.07 into the floppy and reboot. Upon reboot from floppy and type 6bcp107. The info from the 'old' bios is the same as well as the version except it says New checksum 9559h. In any case it say 'yes' to reflesh and efter that re boot/reload defaut.. Its boot sequence is set to cd rom and it still give me the same error message as when I first try to install the OS, "press any key to boot from cd....error loading operating system I then download R1.16 and repeat the whole process and it give me the same error message "press any key to boot from cd....error loading operating system" So what else could cause the error then. Look forward for your guidance, thanks "smlunatick" wrote: On Saturday, January 10, 2009 1:45 AM Paul wrote: Re: "error loading operating system" bb202 wrote: I suspect we have a terminology problem. You have two IDE connectors on the motherboard. At least on my motherboard, one is referred to as primary and one as secondary. They would correspond to IDE1 and IDE2 respectively. I generally try to use 80 wire cables (because the signal quality is better with them, and that is why the cables can be used for speeds up to Ultra133). The 40 wire cables can also be used, but the driver is supposed to sense you're using one, and prevent higher speeds from being used. A 40 wire cable would still work, but I try not to use them any more if I have spare 80's sitting around. You try to fill the connector on the end of the cable first, if you have only one drive for the cable. Since that first drive is the only drive, it would be jumpered as Master. You should never fill just the middle connector by itself (as that leaves a reflecting stub after the drive). So I can see a couple ways I would cable your system. I'd use this method, if it was inconvenient to use one cable to connect the two drives. I would use a cable per drive. Since the drives are the only thing on the cable, they're Master. (Primary) IDE1 X--------------X----------X | Master (Secondary) IDE2 X--------------X----------X | Master The second method is if the drives are in the same rack, within a few inches of each other. Now one cable can fit both without stress. (Primary) IDE1 X--------------X----------X | | Slave Master Western Digital further complicates matters with their drives, in that in the first diagram above, the Master would be jumpered "Master only", meaning it is the only drive on the cable and is the master. In the second diagram, if a Western Digital drive was on the end of the cable as shown, it would be jumpered as "Master", as in "there is a second drive on the cable". Try either of the above diagrams, and see if your symptoms change. Cable_Select is an alternative jumpering method, but it relies on a feature in the cable and typically is supported by the 80 wire cable. Cable_Select is preferred by large manufacturers, as all the equipment can be jumpered Cable_Select and just plugged in without worrying. Occasionally one flavor of jumpering won't work for some reason, in which case you may have to experiment. If Cable_Select refuses to work for a mix of two drive products on the same cable, then the Master/Slave method is the thing you'd try next (keeping that detail about Western Digital in mind while you work). When parking extra jumpers (i.e. storing them in the jumper area), you have to be careful, because there are an unbelievable number of active combinations possible on some brands of drives. It is better to find a small zip-lock baggy and store extra jumpers in there. Hope that helps, Paul On Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:35 AM smlunatick wrote: Re: "error loading operating system" On Jan 8, 3:20=A0pm, bb202 <bb...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: bios ot he RAM 2000 What is set as PRI master and SEC Slave? I also had this. My solution was to: 1) Main hard drive (to be C:) set as PRI master 2) CD drive (for the install) set as SEC master. On Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:35 AM smlunatick wrote: Re: "error loading operating system" On Jan 8, 9:53=A0pm, bb202 <bb...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: g the bios o boot o z,(the RAM =A0Win 2000 I have personally seen CD drives not "booting" when set up as SEC slave. Some PCs seem to only be able to boot a CD when the CD is set up as Master on any IDE port. IDE settings follow the requirements that a Master should be connected on the IDE port before a Slave is connected. Usually when an IDE drive that is set for Slave, the IDE controls are usually "turned" off in favour to let the Master drive controls. On Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:26 AM bb20 wrote: Thanks for the info. Think found the solution for the 'error loading ... Thanks for the info. Think found the solution for the 'error loading ..." When it ask to 'hit any key ......." and if I do so for the second time, it was able to read the cd and window does the setup. Although I am still unable to use the pc as it has another set of problem as during the installation or window setup, an error message "file setupdd.sys could not be loaded. The error code is 4. Setup cannot continue.Press any key to exit'. Guess back to the drawing board to see which hardware is the culprit. Wish me luck /////// thanks "Paul" wrote: On Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:18 AM Paul wrote: Re: "error loading operating system" bb202 wrote: I have a copy of the i386 folder from the CD, and SETUPDD.SY_ is in that folder. So the install is having trouble copying that file over. I believe the underscore means the file is compressed and the installer will take care of the details. Sounds like maybe you're having trouble either reading the CDROM, or any amount of heavy data traffic on the cable results in corruption or something. So how are the drives cabled and jumpered ? Are the HDD and optical on a single cable ? When I installed WinXP, I did mine using a hard drive install. (I did this purely for fun, because I heard you could do it that way.) What that means, is I created two partitions on my 80GB IDE drive. The first partition is 78GB and the second is 2GB. In the 2GB partition, I copy the contents of the i386 folder of the WinXP CD. The trick then, is to use that folder to complete the install. The procedure requires a second computer, to prep the drive and copy the files from the Windows CD. When creating the partitions, it is important to create the 78GB partition first (so it is the first entry in the partition table), and the 2GB partition second. (I determined that empirically, getting it wrong the first time.) The partitions should be FAT32, for the purposes of being able to access the partitions from DOS. The first partition could be converted to NTFS later if needed (with "convert"), but I didn't bother. The basic concept is outlined here. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307848 It took me a good part of the day, to cook up a MSDOS floppy with the necessary files to do what was required. Including SMARTDRV supports caching when accessing the disk, and that makes some improvement to the process. But considering the time I wasted, I'd be happy to just let it chug along at 1MB/sec if it wanted, because the caching wasn't that smart after all. This is my autoexec.bat on the MSDOS floppy . The numbers are "cranked", because I was experimenting with getting the best disk to disk transfer rate possible. I think I added the MSCDEX stuff later, when I added support for CDROMs to the floppy (to make it a better all-round recovery floppy). The "pause" is so I could read the screen. mscdex /D:MSCD001 /L:R pause a:\smartdrv.exe /V 32768 32768 /E:32768 This is my current config.sys. I've since added CDROM support to my MSDOS boot floppy, and I downloaded XCDROM because oakcdrom wasn't working. The "?" in the first three lines, causes the floppy boot process to pause. Hitting return lets it continue. I was getting stuck at the EMM386 step, and had to manually experiment with the "X" parameter, until I no longer had a resource conflict. On many attempts, the floppy boot process would get stuck with the floppy light on, which means the hardware was being trampled by something being loaded. The last four lines are pretty standard stuff which I didn't bother changing. DEVICE?=HIMEM.SYS /TESTMEM:OFF DEVICE?=EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=A000-CFFF DEVICE?=XCDROM.SYS /D:MSCD001 FILES=20 BUFFERS=20 DOS=HIGH,UMB STACKS=9,256 My boot floppy started from one made from Win98, and I added stuff to taste, like a pot of stew :-) The install ends up being not much faster than doing it straight from the CDROM. But, if your CDROM is having problems, the DOS floppy plus hard disk partition trick, is an alternative installation method. Naturally, you still need to fix your CDROM, but if you're living in the woods, and a new CDROM is a week away, it gives you something to do in the interim. Depending on whether you have a broadband Internet connection, you could also consider experimenting with Knoppix (Linux LiveCD) from knopper.net. That is a 700MB download for the CD version, and all you need in this case, is the latest CD version, as the DVD version is too big to be practical. As a test mechanism, Knoppix gives you 1) No need for a hard drive. It runs straight from the CD. 2) At boot time from the CD, Knoppix gives you boot time options. Memtest is one of them, allowing you to test system memory. In addition, Knoppix has an integrity check boot option, which causes the checksums of the files on the CDROM to be verified. If any of those verifications fail, you know you have a CDROM drive problem (or bad media). So that makes a quick way to verify the CDROM drive is good and the cables are OK. It isn't much of an OS, but as a means of doing hardware testing, it is a great alternative. But only feasible if you have some way to download a 700MB ISO9660 file and burn a bootable CD with Nero or something. HTH, Paul On Saturday, January 10, 2009 8:40 PM bb20 wrote: Thanks very much for the guidance. Thanks very much for the guidance. Thats a lot for me to digest and I will give it a go after I get my other hdd back from the manufacturer. (hdd test shows that the hdd has failed). Thanks for walking me through this. "Paul" wrote: On Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:42 AM bb20 wrote: At long last, I got my other replacement hdd (80gb ide) back. At long last, I got my other replacement hdd (80gb ide) back. Before installing the OS, I cleaned the mobo and found out that the connector on the mobo end is switch around (ie cable pin80 is on pin1 on mobo). I dont know if that is the cause of the error but in any case with the new hdd, I was able to install the Win xp without any problem. However in the Device Manager-under IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers,there is an item; STANDARD IDE/ESDI Hard Disk Controller which have an exclamation mark. The pc seems to work ok. Many thanks for all the help, regards "Paul" wrote: Submitted via EggHeadCafe - Software Developer Portal of Choice C# And The Little Iterator That Could http://www.eggheadcafe.com/tutorials/aspnet/f0cfca12-7398-4b84-a232-0ae26adaa533/c-and-the-little-iterato.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 <snipped> nu n wrote: > did you unplug the computer when it was formatting? Not real quick on the uptake, eh? Notice - the conversation you chose to respond to began and ended in January 2009. Weclome to April 2010. ;-) Here it is - archived with dates and everything - including your chime-in 15 month after it ended. grin http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware/browse_frm/thread/1d5dea4acfaff749/ Better late than never? haha -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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