Pullout complete - Now what?

NETZARIM, Gaza (CNN) -- Jewish settlers sang, danced and prayed with Israeli soldiers Monday before residents emptied Netzarim, the last settlement in Gaza to be evacuated.

CNN's Paula Hancocks, Shira Medding and John Vause contributed to this report.

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Well... Here it is... The long awaited pullout of Gaza is complete! But the question looms... What is the next move?

After such an extensive gesture by the Jews toward peace, I would say that the next move is clearly saddled on the Palestinians. But does anyone here really think that they can reciprocate?

I think you all know what my position is... I believe that the terror attacks will start up again after only a few short weeks of relative peace. After all, The UN funded memorabilia that instigated that Gaza was only the beginning and their destiny was to topple Jerusalem.

"Jewish groups reacted with fury to banners, mugs, bumper stickers and T-shirts bearing the slogan "Today Gaza, Tomorrow the West Bank and Jerusalem," which bore the U.N. Development Program (UNDP) logo."

I invite all of you to be a time portal for a few... Tell the rest of us what you think will happen in the coming year! Whether it is good or bad.. brave or cowardice... Where is this shit leading all of us?

I invite all of you to be a time portal for a few... Tell the rest of us what you think will happen in the coming year! Whether it is good or bad.. brave or cowardice... Where is this shit leading all of us?

Ok heres my take on the situation

I think it will actually quiet down as mahmoud abbass has gotten this pull out...I think he will genuinely crack down on Islamic jihad/hamas/al aqsa m/brigade.I don't think he wants to give the israeli's any reason to come back..I've noticed that also these groups have become strangely quiet...(I take this as tacit approval from them)...probably some of them a heading to iraq to kill marines..as this has become a great leaverage tool on the west and Israel.

I think it's cowadice on the part of ariel sharon....he should tell bush to "shove it"....this is only appeasing these groups...and when you appease..they press for more.

Israel should have not given up the sinai as well

If they were real jews/Israelis they would have put their faith in God and drive the palestinians in to the sea....but they seem to be afraid of men.You have to read the old testament to understand this.

I'm sure if the israeli's asked the xtian folk(not govt) in the west to fight for them...you will get an overwhelming response.Since muslims volunteer as mujahideen in jihads...xtians should volunteer for israel(a bit like the french foreign legion)...hmmmm.

what do you make of this?

hahahahahahahahaha

Out of the hundreds of possible news corporations you chose CNN.

Do you enjoy reading censored bullshit?

Out of the hundreds of possible news corporations you chose CNN.

 

Do you enjoy reading censored bullshit?

HAHAHAHA I generally take western reporting with a grain of salt.

I don't watch CNN...I don't have sky tv.

"Pullout complete - Now what?"

Blast it in her face while saying "Yeah Bitch!", zip up your pants, toss the $20 on the bed, grab your smokes, and leave.

NazzNegg would agree with me.

In all seriousness now, the current events in Israel are merely the prelude to eventual all out war.

Politically, Israel has never been moderate but rather has swung violently from far right to far left and back and forth again. As one political viewpoint falls out of favor, the exact opposite political viewpoint becomes the new message of the day. Couple this with the coalition type government the Knesset really is and it is a recipe for eventual disaster.

The Palestinians on the other hand, (I loath that term because it is an outright lie of which the world seems hell-bent to swallow but that is another topic altogether), are lying murderous cowards. They want everything and contribute nothing. Yesterday they were terrorists and today somehow magically, they are statesmen? Please, where do I barf?

The real crux of the matter is that Gaza is just the beginning of the organized destruction of Israel. The camel jockeys will not stop until they have the West Bank, Jerusalem, and whatever rest of the country they can steal.

Israel will back down and back down and then as sure as the wind changes, politics will shift abruptly and the Israeli tanks and soldiers will roll in again. The problem will be that the Palestinians will have had time to fortify their military presence and therefore Israel will fight a campaign of destruction rather than re-securing arab capitulation. Don't believe me; reread your history of the Six Days War. The capitals of each of the three countries (Egypt, Syria, and Jordan) were threatened (Israeli troops were less than 100 km from Cairo and less than 50 km from Damascus and Amman. The next time, I'm quite convinced that they will not stop short.

"Pullout complete - Now what?"

 

Blast it in her face while saying "Yeah Bitch!", zip up your pants, toss the $20 on the bed, grab your smokes, and leave.

 

NazzNegg would agree with me.

CES that basically sums up Israel playing the harlot..... :o

CES that basically sums up Israel playing the harlot..... :o

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you know what you are talking about here...

So, just exactly how has Israel played the harlot here?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you know what you are talking about here...

 

So, just exactly how has Israel played the harlot here?

hmmm I'll find it easier if I answer your question with a question

What is happening with Israels inheritance?

hmmm I'll find it easier if I answer your question with a question

 

 

What is happening with Israels inheritance?

I don't understand your question. Please clarify it.

I don't understand your question. Please clarify it.

The land is been traded for the notions of peace....under the threat of war/terrorism.In the old testament..there are stories where Israels has been in this situation(s) before..being outnumbered 10 to 1 and they have overcome there enemies with victory(provided they listened to God via his prophets or lack of).

The knesset is being run by a majority of liberal Jewish secularists who are pushing for comprises...and those at the top want to satisfy them to keep their jobs and also there is external pressure with western foreign policy(I won't name names) that have strings attached to the relationships...strings which can be traced indirectly to Saudi Arabia.This really is a recipie for disaster....short term gains(illusions) with long term consequences(reality).

Call me old fashioned...but transport these secularist jews through the old testament...how do think Jehovah would have viewed them and the leaders of Israel as a whole?

Ok maybe the analogy comparison was a little overboard....hmmm what do think CES?

Well, I said it earlier but here it is again...

In all seriousness now, the current events in Israel are merely the prelude to eventual all out war.

 

Politically, Israel has never been moderate but rather has swung violently from far right to far left and back and forth again. As one political viewpoint falls out of favor, the exact opposite political viewpoint becomes the new message of the day. Couple this with the coalition type government the Knesset really is and it is a recipe for eventual disaster.

 

The Palestinians on the other hand, (I loath that term because it is an outright lie of which the world seems hell-bent to swallow but that is another topic altogether), are lying murderous cowards. They want everything and contribute nothing. Yesterday they were terrorists and today somehow magically, they are statesmen? Please, where do I barf?

 

The real crux of the matter is that Gaza is just the beginning of the organized destruction of Israel. The camel jockeys will not stop until they have the West Bank, Jerusalem, and whatever rest of the country they can steal.

 

Israel will back down and back down and then as sure as the wind changes, politics will shift abruptly and the Israeli tanks and soldiers will roll in again. The problem will be that the Palestinians will have had time to fortify their military presence and therefore Israel will fight a campaign of destruction rather than re-securing arab capitulation. Don't believe me; reread your history of the Six Days War. The capitals of each of the three countries (Egypt, Syria, and Jordan) were threatened (Israeli troops were less than 100 km from Cairo and less than 50 km from Damascus and Amman. The next time, I'm quite convinced that they will not stop short.

I think that the political pendulum will begin swinging yet again, but this time, I feel a war comming out of it. A very large war.

Well, I said it earlier but here it is again...

 

 

 

I think that the political pendulum will begin swinging yet again, but this time, I feel a war comming out of it. A very large war.

Quite possibly, a war without end. Or, the war that will end it all.

Quite possibly, a war without end. Or, the war that will end it all.

It is illogical to think that Israel will simply roll over again and again when faced with hostilities from Arabs. This is definitely not supported by their military history of the modern state of Israel.

For the moment, the current political climate is one of "land for peace" but this has been proven again and again throughout history to be to be a false promise of hope; I believe that in this case, it will again be proven as such.

Even the most reserved individual will eventually explode at you and most likely beat the living shit out of you if you insist on continuing a constant and never-ending nose tweaking and rib jabbing.

The Palestinians on the other hand, (I loath that term because it is an outright lie of which the world seems hell-bent to swallow but that is another topic altogether), are lying murderous cowards.

Is that right?

Learn something new everyday.

Israel, presumably, is the epitome of philanthropy and moderation, trying to develop a sustainable peace in the middle east by diplomacy and peaceful negotiations?

They're showing their altruistic nature by withdrawing their settlements on land they should never have been built upon. Good guys all round.

They're even building a big wall for Palestinian children to play ball against. Its not like the Berlin Wall, though. No. This one is for...er...national security.

Is that right?

 

Learn something new everyday.

 

Israel, presumably, is the epitome of philanthropy and moderation, trying to develop a sustainable peace in the middle east by diplomacy and peaceful negotiations?

 

They're showing their altruistic nature by withdrawing their settlements on land they should never have been built upon. Good guys all round.

 

They're even building a big wall for Palestinian children to play ball against. Its not like the Berlin Wall, though. No. This one is for...er...national security.

Although your attempt at sarcasm is interesting, it hardly adds weight to your position.

Although you claim...

Oh, just so's ya know, winkydink, I dont answer anyone's questions.

Regardless, I shall give you the courtesy of addressing yours.

As a matter of fact Israel has tried since it's inception to engage in peaceful relations with its Arab neighbors. It has never sought out territorial conquests as a means of simply enlarging its holdings.

The so called "occupied lands" were won as a result of the Six Days War, which was Israel

Although your attempt at sarcasm is interesting, it hardly adds weight to your position.

 

As a matter of fact Israel has tried since it's inception to engage in peaceful relations with its Arab neighbors. It has never sought out territorial conquests as a means of simply enlarging its holdings.

 

The so called "occupied lands" were won as a result of the Six Days War, which was Israel

..hmmm interesting read..when the Israeli's took the sinai from egypt..it was a mistake to hand it back, being conquered land for egypts aggression..now the philistines/and egyptian buddies use the sinai to smuggle weapons underneath extensive tunnels from the egyptian side to the Gaza strip...probably the same on the Jordanian side(referring to the west bank).

When Israel had the sinai...they could have resettled these fuckers there..sinai maybe desert, but these are arabs..they're resourceful..and with a lil help from uncle fard and co(and they have jubal musa as a tourist attraction..hahaha it also has a strategic importance of sea(s) access. Well that oppotunity is gone, now what?

Ok heres my take on the situation

 

I think it will actually quiet down as mahmoud abbass has gotten this pull out...I think he will genuinely crack down on Islamic jihad/hamas/al aqsa m/brigade.I don't think he wants to give the israeli's any reason to come back..I've noticed that also these groups have become strangely quiet...(I take this as tacit approval from them)...probably some of them a heading to iraq to kill marines..as this has become a great leaverage tool on the west and Israel.

 

Umm just an update...when you hear any suicide bombers in Israel doing their thang now...it's just an exercise in keeping Israel in the headlines...the whole Iraq thing is hijacking the headlines.

These Islamic groups have no show against Israels military in reality, so it's all for political consumption.

OK. That all makes sense, I guess. Although I seem to recall the Soviet Union claiming the Wall was to protect East Germany from western subversion. I guess its a matter of perspective.

NOBODY was trying to get into East Berlin regardless of what the Soviets claimed. There is a very distinct difference and you know it. Nice try.

Oh, and are we saying that because the land was "full of Jews" the nation of Israel was created through fair and just means?

I think so. About as fair and just as any other nation...Don

But then again, there have been some other recent Presidential Foreign Policy triumphs too, right?

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Cogito...once again you dont debate, you defend.

Please go here http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

It is a non-prejudiced historical synopsis of how Israel came into being. It makes a few points, including the clear fact that Israel is no more valid than Palestine as a nation. The formation of Israel was as a result of a Zionist movement that developed disproportionate influence over the British Government (gee, THAT sounds familiar) and exploited various circumstances arising from WW2 and its aftermath to coerce the British with both political pressure AND terrorism into vacating the area known as Palestine.

The Jews then moved into the vacuum and formed a nation. The first country to recognise the nation of Israel was the US (I wonder why? Jewish influence perhaps?). As the most dominant nation at that time, this effectively placed Israel under US protection, and gave it a semblance of legitimacy.

Up until that time, there had NEVER been a nation called Israel, nor had the Jews EVER lived under national sovereignty.

The inarguable reality is that the Jews were more capable of exercising influence, and more resourceful than the Palestinians, thus allowing them to take control of that particular area of land.

Now, I do not take the position that Israel has no right to exist. Likewise, a nation called Palestine has every right to exist for precisely the same rationale. However, if the US had NOT supported the creation of Israel, it probably would not exist.

Hence Arab contempt for America, right or wrong.

Once again, you look a fool with your clear bias and lack of knowledge.

As to "historical" validations to occupying captured lands, why then has the US been so stoic and robust in denying that doctrine in Kuwait, Germany, the former Soviet Bloc, South Africa, Cambodia and East Timor.

To call Australia a nation under occupation is to brand your own country with the same banner. In fact moreso, as the Australian Aborigines were not as developed socially as the American Native Indians.

All you need is a big red nose to comlete your appearance as a clown.

Rotwang, one thing I don't understand, and this is mainly because I am not really into Mid-East politics and there dealings with the world, is WHY you say the Jews influenced the U.S.

I have seen an interesting debate so far, but a little more insight would be helpful.. do you have a link perhaps to reference ??

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