Purple Heart Rebuttal (was Re: Salazar to offer vet database bill

"Dai Uy" <Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message

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> In article <j5sMi.12$a76.8@newsfe05.lga>,

> "BigBob" <yeahright@noway.com> wrote:

>

>> So I wonder how this database would be accesed. Would

>> names be matched by

>> social security numbers or what?

>

> My guess is that it will be by full name. It will

> make it

> easier for the VA to spot bogus claims, and serve to deter

> fakes and flakes from posting claims like, "I have a

> Purple

> Heart also, and I received mine in a real war,..... BTW,

> bragging about a Purple Heart not received in combat is

> about

> as cowardly as it gets."

Doug Says: BTW, I agree that bragging about receiving a

Purple Heart when someone does not deserve one is about as

cowardly as it gets with the exception of posting false and

fraudulent accusations that someone made such a claim, along

with outright forgeries and fraud that some coward

fraudulently attributes to someone that never said anything

near what the coward forged. Considering I never made any

such claim about a Purple Heart, and I stated and posted the

contrary several times, nor have I posted any forgeries or

fraud about anyone, I guess we all know who the coward is

here.

Also how can someone be medically retired and still boast

about climbing mountains and cutting and pulling brush and

trees? Doesn't sound very "disabled" to me.

Also, it is a good idea to have a national database to check

for fraudulent statements about a veterans service, such as

Dai Uy's fraudulent statement that I never was in Vietnam,

had a bad discharge and never was a SFC E-7 in Vietnam,

among dozens of other fraudulent and forged statements he

created and fraudulently attributed to me.

This database will also help to uncover the fraud and smear

merchants that make such false claims about real veterans

that probably experienced ten times the combat some Adjutant

that is making these false accusations experienced.

This database should also encourage people like me that

never applied for medals I know I deserve to now

apply....perhaps....as pandering for medals was never

something I ever did nor respected. I saw many an officer

receive a Silver Star just for showing up for duty, while

many an enlisted man that fought his ass off not even

receive a 7 day R&R....so much for medals. Or, people

receiving Purple Hearts for mere scratches that we all

received...like John Kerry.

All of the heroes I knew in Vietnam are still there, or were

sent back in steel boxes. Who was it that said :"Show me a

hero and I will show you a tragedy." Was it Scott? I don't

remember the author, but I have seen it ring true many

times. We don't need heroes, we need Soldiers that will

simply do their duty and kill or help kill the enemy while

staying alive and in one piece.

Doug Grant

>

> "Along with making it easier to identify bogus claims,

> Wortman said the proposed database would provide a way to

> honor

> the men and women who serve their country. "We don't want

> these

> things collecting dust in a drawer somewhere," he said.

> "How

> many of these will be forgotten if we don't create a

> database?"

>

>

> X-URL:

> http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070929

> /NEWS/709290311

>

> Bill targets bogus medals

>

> By George Brennan

> STAFF WRITER

> September 29, 2007

>

> A Colorado congressman picked up his pace to file a bill

> that

> would create a national record of military honors because

> of

> increased pressure from newspaper reports about fraudulent

> military claims.

>

> A spokesman for U.S. Rep. John Salazar, D-Colo., said

> Thursday

> the bill would be introduced in the next session of

> Congress.

> Yesterday, on the same day the Times reported major flaws

> in

> the Veterans History Project at the Library of Congress,

> Salazar issued a letter urging colleagues to sign on. "We

> kind

> of felt pressured to pick up our time frame," spokesman

> Eric

> Wortman said. "We got calls from (the Times) and other

> sources

> about this and we thought we had to move forward."

>

> The bill would create the Military Valor Roll of Honor

> Act, a

> database that would "contain the names and citations of

> individuals who have been awarded the Medal of Honor or

> any

> other medal authorized by the United States Congress,"

> Salazar

> stated in a prepared statement released yesterday.

>

> The legislative push follows several reports nationwide

> that

> people are making false claims about military heroics and

> the

> awards that come with them.

>

> Glenn Marshall, 57, former chairman of the Mashpee

> Wampanoag

> Tribal Council, resigned after the Times exposed his bogus

> claims of serving at the Battle of Khe Sanh. Marshall was

> in

> high school at the time of the 77-day siege in Vietnam.

> His

> claims, including the lie that he earned several Purple

> Hearts,

> were part of the $2.5 million per year Veterans History

> Project

> at the Library of Congress. Because there is no national

> database, the Library of Congress has no easy way to check

> on

> the 50,000 veterans profiled in the oral history project.

>

> The database would also provide a way for law enforcement

> to

> prosecute the Stolen Valor Act, also introduced by

> Salazar. The

> law makes it a crime to claim a military medal.

>

> When enough lawmakers have signed on to support the

> military

> honor database bill, it could be filed as early as next

> week,

> Wortman said.

>

> Spokesmen for U.S. Rep. William Delahunt, D-Mass., whose

> district includes the Cape and Islands, and Sen. John

> Kerry,

> D-Mass., said they would consider support for the bill,

> but

> expressed concerns about ensuring the privacy of veterans.

>

> Along with making it easier to identify bogus claims,

> Wortman

> said the proposed database would provide a way to honor

> the men

> and women who serve their country. "We don't want these

> things

> collecting dust in a drawer somewhere," he said. "How many

> of

> these will be forgotten if we don't create a database?"

>

> George Brennan can be reached at

> gbrennan@capecodonline.com.

>

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"Dai Uy" <Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message

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> In article <bJmdnRk4w5hLQZ_anZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com>,

> "DGVREIMAN" <dgvreiman@comcast.net> wrote:

>

>> "Dai Uy" <Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message

>> news:Dai-Uy-394E6F.08403202102007@news-server.hawaii.rr.com...

>

> What does your rant have to do with Rep. John

> Salazar's,

> D-Colo., proposed legislation?

>

>>

>> Doug Says: BTW, I agree that bragging about receiving a

>> Purple Heart when someone does not deserve one is about

>> as

>> cowardly as it gets with the exception of posting false

>> and

>> fraudulent accusations that someone made such a claim,

>> along

>> with outright forgeries and fraud that some coward

>> fraudulently attributes to someone that never said

>> anything

>> near what the coward forged.

>

> See, we can agree!

>

>> Considering I never made any

>> such claim about a Purple Heart, and I stated and posted

>> the

>> contrary several times, nor have I posted any forgeries

>> or

>> fraud about anyone, I guess we all know who the coward is

>> here.

>

> Your right, we all know. See, we can all agree!

> That's

> twice in just your first paragraph. Read this:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/yuwa2m

Doug Says: Please fraud merchant, you know that post was

not posted by me. The heading on that post states From:

Chip C c...@chipcom.net and that clearly is not me. Why

are you continuing to post outright fraud and forgeries and

then attempt to use your own forgeries to claim I wrote

something I clearly did not, and told you I did not at least

a dozen times? Do you want to be known as an unethical

fraud merchant, or is it something you cannot help yourself

from doing? I suspect only a coward would continue to post

fraud and claim it is true. Cannot face the truth is a

coward in my book, don't you agree fraud merchant?

>

>>

>> Also how can someone be medically retired and still boast

>> about climbing mountains and cutting and pulling brush

>> and

>> trees? Doesn't sound very "disabled" to me.

>

> I'm not ashamed of being able to.

Great! So when are you going to give all that disability

money you received from the taxpayers back? If you are not

disabled, then why do you keep cashing the check fraud

merchant?

>

> There are guys with one leg running marathons. There

> are

> guys with one arm rock climbing. It's called intestinal

> fortitude. You are unable to relate. What's your

> lame-assed

> excuse?

Are you claiming that someone that rock climbs with one arm

or someone that runs on one leg is similar to your claims

that you do hard manual labor but still claim to be

"disabled?"

>

>>

>> Also, it is a good hyperbolies (sic) a national database

>> to check

>> for fraudulent statements about a veterans service,

>

> Wha?

>

>> such as

>> Dai Uy's fraudulent statement that I never was in

>> Vietnam,

>> had a bad discharge and never was a SFC E-7 in Vietnam,

>> among dozens of other fraudulent and forged statements he

>> created and fraudulently attributed to me.

>

> Get over it! Your bogus bull shit about being a

> butter

> bar Platoon Leader of a special unnamed counter terrorism

> unit

> with a completely fantastic kill ratio

> <http://tinyurl.com/25b627> as well as hundreds of your

> other

> quips, hyperbole, misstatements of the facts, literary

> exaggerations, lies, and Walter Mitty tales, would lead

> most

> people to believe that you never set foot in country. It

> took

> Nigel's FOIA request to convince me. I remain convinced

> that

> you never stepped outside the wire.

Doug Says: Your URL above completely contradicts your

fraudulent statements about me, and you are sooooo stupid

you are proving you are the fraud merchant I say you are.

That URL simply provides a post in which I said I

participated in a unit that studied counterterrorism, and I

told you about a dozen times so far that unit was an

ADMINISTRATIVE unit and my participation in it was strictly

administrative to study tactics and present our findings in

a meeting in Long Binh involving turning over everything to

the ARVN. You know this, yet you still cannot help yourself

from lying and using outright fraud. If you want to prove

some of your fraudulent claims you made above, I would love

to see it. Simply take your statement which you claim I

said and juxtapose it next to a post containing where and

when I said it...no out of context and forged statements

and false accusations like you usually do fraud merchant.

Try, for once in your life to do something ethical and

honest, like tell the truth.

You are posting outright fraud and forgeries again fraud

merchant. Your claim of me being, what was that again, oh

yeah, "a butter bar Platoon Leader of a special unnamed

counter terrorism unit with a completely fantastic kill

ratio" is a complete and utter fraud and forgery and you and

I both know it.

I will make you a deal you cannot refuse fraud merchant, we

will submit your claim I said what you claimed I did above

to an independent Arbitrator. You provide your proof I said

that nonsense, and I will provide proof that I did not. If

the independent Arbitrator agrees with you, I will pay for

the Arbitration, if he concludes that you are lying (I

believe also a complete unethical pathological fraud

merchant and a liar) then you pay for the independent

Arbitrator. If you refuse this offer I and other rational

people will realize you are precisely what I say you

are....a fraud merchant that uses forgeries and fraud to

defame, cyberstalk and defame, and a sick fuck as well (my

opinion of course).

Pay attention shavetail, you are not going to duck these

offers of proving you the fraud merchant I say you

are....they will keep coming as long as you keep using your

nutty fraudulent accusations and forgeries in respect to

what you claim I have said in the past.

Doug Grant

ims about real veterans

>> that probably experienced ten times the combat some

>> Adjutant

>> that is making these false accusations experienced.

>>

>> This database should also encourage people like me that

>> never applied for medals I know I deserve to now

>> apply....perhaps....as pandering for medals was never

>> something I ever did nor respected. I saw many an

>> officer

>> receive a Silver Star just for showing up for duty, while

>> many an enlisted man that fought his ass off not even

>> receive a 7 day R&R....so much for medals.

>

> But you've never provided a single example. Your

> views on

> Silver Star recipients only appeared after your FOIA

> request of

> my records. Prior to that you argued that Nigel could not

> expose 1LT Abrahams' bogus POW claims -- solely because

> Abrahams was a Silver Star recipient. Quite a change of

> attitude, don't you think? <http://tinyurl.com/2pgffo>

>

> The criticism of Silver Star recipients comes only

> from

> those individuals who avoided the situations in which they

> were

> awarded and who could have no idea what heroism and

> gallantry

> is required. Turd on Okinawa, and you in the NCO club

> bunker

> -- the Alamo.

>

> "(For those that have never heard of the "Alamo

> Conspiracy" . . . in which a committee of senior NCO's

> actually

> determines which commissioned officers they believed were

> qualified to lead, and "other edicts in respect to some

> officers" you really have no idea who actually runs our

> wars.)"

>

>> Or, people

>> receiving Purple Hearts for mere scratches that we all

>> received...like John Kerry.

>>

>> All of the heroes I knew in Vietnam are still there, or

>> were

>> sent back in steel boxes. Who was it that said :"Show me

>> a

>> hero and I will show you a tragedy." Was it Scott? I

>> don't

>> remember the author, but I have seen it ring true many

>> times. We don't need heroes, we need Soldiers that will

>> simply do their duty and kill or help kill the enemy

>> while

>> staying alive and in one piece.

>

> Apparently malingering, staying comfortable, in one

> piece,

> and alive was your only priority -- never mind duty,

> honor,

> country, the mission, never mind those guys out there in

> the

> muck.

>

> Once again Doogie, thanks a bunch for all your help.

>

> With all DUE respect,

>

> -Dai Uy sends

>

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>

>>

>> Doug Grant

>>

>

> cross-posted newsgroups alt.military, alt.politics, and

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> etiquette.

>

>

"Dai Uy" <Dai-Uy@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message

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> In article <QomdnTEa5PPH6JjanZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@comcast.com>,

> "DGVREIMAN" <dgvreiman@comcast.net> proved Formosa's Law:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/39ry9g

>

>> >

>> > Once again Doogie, thanks a bunch for all your

>> > help.

>> >

>> > With all DUE respect,

>> >

>> > -Dai Uy sends

>> >

>> > - - - - - Formosa's Law Invoked - - - - -

>> >

>> >>

>> >> Doug Grant

Doug Says: I am glad you found my revealing your penchant

for unethical fraud, and the forgeries you create and

fraudulently attribute to others, and your wild and

outrageously false accusations, and your utter dishonor

while perpetrating this most egregious acts, have helped

you. You are quite welcome.

Moreover, your application of the Formosa law to yourself

and your posts is quite appropriate, I do agree.

Doug Grant

>> >>

>> >

>> > cross-posted newsgroups alt.military, alt.politics, and

>> > alt.news-media removed to conform with accepted usenet

>> > etiquette.

>> >

>> >