Re: Bush, your worst nightmare.

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:08:11 -0700 (PDT)
Naked Gonad <bodron57@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mar 24, 8:33 pm, snuhw...@netscape.net (???hw??f) wrote:
> > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> clouded the waters of pure thought with:
> >
> > > On Mar 24, 4:27 pm, =A7=F1=FChw=A4=A3f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT)

> >
> > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > Unfortunately, GW Bush has made your beautiful country, pariahs
> > > > > of the world. We (Britain) got sucked into it because, (as friends),
> > > > > we
> > > > > felt obliged to help (which is what mates do). I'm not exonerating
> > > > > us, we must share the blame because we were involved.
> > > > > Bush is too gung ho, although I know he obviously meant well - but
> > > > > his hasty maverick approach, alienated much of this planet.
> > > > > Too many of yours and our boys are paying the ultimate price, as
> > > > > well as contributing to the demise in your economy.
> > > > > Put someone in who thinks a bit more before pulling that trigger!

> >
> > > > > Gonad

> >
> > > > Tony B-aLIAR didnt resist much though did he?

> >
> > > >www.afterdowningstreet.org

> >
> > > Can't argue with that but be fair, he based his judgement on info
> > > sent from Washington, claiming that Saddam could have Nukes
> > > up and ready to fire within 45minutes.This(as you know) was
> > > totally untrue.He assumed and trusted that the American info was
> > > reliable. What would you have done in Blairs shoes?

> >
> > > Gonad

> >
> > Why did he ignore the info from Hans Blix? There were MANY voices
> > warning caution and patience to let the inspectors get their job done.
> > Blair thought it would be a cakewalk and he overestimated the ability
> > of coalition forces. But the point to take away from all this is that if
> > one LIES about the reason for going to war, its not possible to justify
> > going into conflict. Blood for Oil, nothing less.
> >
> > --
> > ___ ___ ___ ___
> > /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \
> > /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \
> > /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\
> > \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/
> > \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/
> > \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
> > /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\
> > \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/
> >
> > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+
> > |S|a|y| |D|u|h| |t|o| |A|y|n| |R|a|n|d|
> > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+

>
> Blair tried to tell Bush to hold back, you seem to dismiss that
> Bush forced the issue with false information about nukes in 45
> minutes?
> I ask you again, "what would you have done if a trusted friend
> told you that Saddam has got nukes and can be ready to fire
> in 45mins"?
> That was the catalyst that made Blair agree.


Just because you're "friends" with somwon dosent mean you trust them implicitly :)


> If the 45 min claim was true and if Saddam destroyed half of
> the worlds oil producing capability, then America and the UK
> would practically grind to a halt. Think about it! Yes oil was and
> is the lifeblood of our industry. We cannot operate without it!
>


So you're saying that x-amount of dead iraqi civilians is "worth it" to keep an economy humming along?
:(

--
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/
 
On Mar 27, 4:39 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:08:11 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>
> Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Mar 24, 8:33 pm, snuhw...@netscape.net (???hw??f) wrote:
> > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> clouded the waters of pure thought with:

>
> > > > On Mar 24, 4:27 pm, =A7=F1=FChw=A4=A3f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT)

>
> > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > Unfortunately, GW Bush has made your beautiful country, pariahs
> > > > > > of the world. We (Britain) got sucked into it because, (as friends),
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > felt obliged to help (which is what mates do). I'm not exonerating
> > > > > > us, we must share the blame because we were involved.
> > > > > > Bush is too gung ho, although I know he obviously meant well - but
> > > > > > his hasty maverick approach, alienated much of this planet.
> > > > > > Too many of yours and our boys are paying the ultimate price, as
> > > > > > well as contributing to the demise in your economy.
> > > > > > Put someone in who thinks a bit more before pulling that trigger!

>
> > > > > > Gonad

>
> > > > > Tony B-aLIAR didnt resist much though did he?

>
> > > > >www.afterdowningstreet.org

>
> > > > Can't argue with that but be fair, he based his judgement on info
> > > > sent from Washington, claiming that Saddam could have Nukes
> > > > up and ready to fire within 45minutes.This(as you know) was
> > > > totally untrue.He assumed and trusted that the American info was
> > > > reliable. What would you have done in Blairs shoes?

>
> > > > Gonad

>
> > > Why did he ignore the info from Hans Blix? There were MANY voices
> > > warning caution and patience to let the inspectors get their job done.
> > > Blair thought it would be a cakewalk and he overestimated the ability
> > > of coalition forces. But the point to take away from all this is that if
> > > one LIES about the reason for going to war, its not possible to justify
> > > going into conflict. Blood for Oil, nothing less.

>
> > > --
> > > ___ ___ ___ ___
> > > /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \
> > > /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \
> > > /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\
> > > \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/
> > > \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/
> > > \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
> > > /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\
> > > \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/

>
> > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+
> > > |S|a|y| |D|u|h| |t|o| |A|y|n| |R|a|n|d|
> > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+

>
> > Blair tried to tell Bush to hold back, you seem to dismiss that
> > Bush forced the issue with false information about nukes in 45
> > minutes?
> > I ask you again, "what would you have done if a trusted friend
> > told you that Saddam has got nukes and can be ready to fire
> > in 45mins"?
> > That was the catalyst that made Blair agree.

>
> Just because you're "friends" with somwon dosent mean you trust them implicitly :)
>
> > If the 45 min claim was true and if Saddam destroyed half of
> > the worlds oil producing capability, then America and the UK
> > would practically grind to a halt. Think about it! Yes oil was and
> > is the lifeblood of our industry. We cannot operate without it!

>
> So you're saying that x-amount of dead iraqi civilians is "worth it" to keep an economy humming along?
> :(
>
> --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/


What I'm saying, is that Bush forced the issue when he ignored the UN,
Blair wanted to get the whole of the UN to condemn Saddam and apply
more sanctions and wait to see if they would work but Bush wouldn't
wait.

Gonad
 
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT)
Naked Gonad <bodron57@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mar 27, 4:39 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:08:11 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> >
> > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On Mar 24, 8:33 pm, snuhw...@netscape.net (???hw??f) wrote:
> > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> clouded the waters of pure thought with:

> >
> > > > > On Mar 24, 4:27 pm, =A7=F1=FChw=A4=A3f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT)

> >
> > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > Unfortunately, GW Bush has made your beautiful country, pariahs
> > > > > > > of the world. We (Britain) got sucked into it because, (as friends),
> > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > felt obliged to help (which is what mates do). I'm not exonerating
> > > > > > > us, we must share the blame because we were involved.
> > > > > > > Bush is too gung ho, although I know he obviously meant well - but
> > > > > > > his hasty maverick approach, alienated much of this planet.
> > > > > > > Too many of yours and our boys are paying the ultimate price, as
> > > > > > > well as contributing to the demise in your economy.
> > > > > > > Put someone in who thinks a bit more before pulling that trigger!

> >
> > > > > > > Gonad

> >
> > > > > > Tony B-aLIAR didnt resist much though did he?

> >
> > > > > >www.afterdowningstreet.org

> >
> > > > > Can't argue with that but be fair, he based his judgement on info
> > > > > sent from Washington, claiming that Saddam could have Nukes
> > > > > up and ready to fire within 45minutes.This(as you know) was
> > > > > totally untrue.He assumed and trusted that the American info was
> > > > > reliable. What would you have done in Blairs shoes?

> >
> > > > > Gonad

> >
> > > > Why did he ignore the info from Hans Blix? There were MANY voices
> > > > warning caution and patience to let the inspectors get their job done.
> > > > Blair thought it would be a cakewalk and he overestimated the ability
> > > > of coalition forces. But the point to take away from all this is that if
> > > > one LIES about the reason for going to war, its not possible to justify
> > > > going into conflict. Blood for Oil, nothing less.

> >
> > > > --
> > > > ___ ___ ___ ___
> > > > /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \
> > > > /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \
> > > > /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\
> > > > \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/
> > > > \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/
> > > > \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
> > > > /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\
> > > > \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/

> >
> > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+
> > > > |S|a|y| |D|u|h| |t|o| |A|y|n| |R|a|n|d|
> > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+

> >
> > > Blair tried to tell Bush to hold back, you seem to dismiss that
> > > Bush forced the issue with false information about nukes in 45
> > > minutes?
> > > I ask you again, "what would you have done if a trusted friend
> > > told you that Saddam has got nukes and can be ready to fire
> > > in 45mins"?
> > > That was the catalyst that made Blair agree.

> >
> > Just because you're "friends" with somwon dosent mean you trust them implicitly :)
> >
> > > If the 45 min claim was true and if Saddam destroyed half of
> > > the worlds oil producing capability, then America and the UK
> > > would practically grind to a halt. Think about it! Yes oil was and
> > > is the lifeblood of our industry. We cannot operate without it!

> >
> > So you're saying that x-amount of dead iraqi civilians is "worth it" to keep an economy humming along?
> > :(
> >
> > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/

>
> What I'm saying, is that Bush forced the issue when he ignored the UN,
> Blair wanted to get the whole of the UN to condemn Saddam and apply
> more sanctions and wait to see if they would work but Bush wouldn't
> wait.
>
>

Soooooooooooo...in what way did that FORCE Tony B-aLiar to send troops?
:)

--
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/27/recession-the-movie/
 
On Mar 28, 4:37 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>
> Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 4:39 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:08:11 -0700 (PDT)

>
> > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 24, 8:33 pm, snuhw...@netscape.net (???hw??f) wrote:
> > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> clouded the waters of pure thought with:

>
> > > > > > On Mar 24, 4:27 pm, =A7=F1=FChw=A4=A3f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT)

>
> > > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, GW Bush has made your beautiful country, pariahs
> > > > > > > > of the world. We (Britain) got sucked into it because, (as friends),
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > felt obliged to help (which is what mates do). I'm not exonerating
> > > > > > > > us, we must share the blame because we were involved.
> > > > > > > > Bush is too gung ho, although I know he obviously meant well - but
> > > > > > > > his hasty maverick approach, alienated much of this planet.
> > > > > > > > Too many of yours and our boys are paying the ultimate price, as
> > > > > > > > well as contributing to the demise in your economy.
> > > > > > > > Put someone in who thinks a bit more before pulling that trigger!

>
> > > > > > > > Gonad

>
> > > > > > > Tony B-aLIAR didnt resist much though did he?

>
> > > > > > >www.afterdowningstreet.org

>
> > > > > > Can't argue with that but be fair, he based his judgement on info
> > > > > > sent from Washington, claiming that Saddam could have Nukes
> > > > > > up and ready to fire within 45minutes.This(as you know) was
> > > > > > totally untrue.He assumed and trusted that the American info was
> > > > > > reliable. What would you have done in Blairs shoes?

>
> > > > > > Gonad

>
> > > > > Why did he ignore the info from Hans Blix? There were MANY voices
> > > > > warning caution and patience to let the inspectors get their job done.
> > > > > Blair thought it would be a cakewalk and he overestimated the ability
> > > > > of coalition forces. But the point to take away from all this is that if
> > > > > one LIES about the reason for going to war, its not possible to justify
> > > > > going into conflict. Blood for Oil, nothing less.

>
> > > > > --
> > > > > ___ ___ ___ ___
> > > > > /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \
> > > > > /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \
> > > > > /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\
> > > > > \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/
> > > > > \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/
> > > > > \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
> > > > > /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\
> > > > > \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/

>
> > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+
> > > > > |S|a|y| |D|u|h| |t|o| |A|y|n| |R|a|n|d|
> > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+

>
> > > > Blair tried to tell Bush to hold back, you seem to dismiss that
> > > > Bush forced the issue with false information about nukes in 45
> > > > minutes?
> > > > I ask you again, "what would you have done if a trusted friend
> > > > told you that Saddam has got nukes and can be ready to fire
> > > > in 45mins"?
> > > > That was the catalyst that made Blair agree.

>
> > > Just because you're "friends" with somwon dosent mean you trust them implicitly :)

>
> > > > If the 45 min claim was true and if Saddam destroyed half of
> > > > the worlds oil producing capability, then America and the UK
> > > > would practically grind to a halt. Think about it! Yes oil was and
> > > > is the lifeblood of our industry. We cannot operate without it!

>
> > > So you're saying that x-amount of dead iraqi civilians is "worth it" to keep an economy humming along?
> > > :(

>
> > > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/

>
> > What I'm saying, is that Bush forced the issue when he ignored the UN,
> > Blair wanted to get the whole of the UN to condemn Saddam and apply
> > more sanctions and wait to see if they would work but Bush wouldn't
> > wait.

>
> Soooooooooooo...in what way did that FORCE Tony B-aLiar to send troops?
> :)
>
> --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/27/recession-the-movie/


Blair, being his strongest ally, he had to show solidarity, bearing in
mind
the USA helped us out on a few occasions.If he hadn't sent our troops
in
it would have put us in an awkward situation in the future if ever we
needed
Americas' assistance.It is essential that we stay strong as a force
against
evil terrorists and despots.

Gonad
 
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:05:44 -0700 (PDT)
Naked Gonad <bodron57@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mar 28, 4:37 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> >
> > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On Mar 27, 4:39 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:08:11 -0700 (PDT)

> >
> > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 24, 8:33 pm, snuhw...@netscape.net (???hw??f) wrote:
> > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> clouded the waters of pure thought with:

> >
> > > > > > > On Mar 24, 4:27 pm, =A7=F1=FChw=A4=A3f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT)

> >
> > > > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, GW Bush has made your beautiful country, pariahs
> > > > > > > > > of the world. We (Britain) got sucked into it because, (as friends),
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > felt obliged to help (which is what mates do). I'm not exonerating
> > > > > > > > > us, we must share the blame because we were involved.
> > > > > > > > > Bush is too gung ho, although I know he obviously meant well - but
> > > > > > > > > his hasty maverick approach, alienated much of this planet.
> > > > > > > > > Too many of yours and our boys are paying the ultimate price, as
> > > > > > > > > well as contributing to the demise in your economy.
> > > > > > > > > Put someone in who thinks a bit more before pulling that trigger!

> >
> > > > > > > > > Gonad

> >
> > > > > > > > Tony B-aLIAR didnt resist much though did he?

> >
> > > > > > > >www.afterdowningstreet.org

> >
> > > > > > > Can't argue with that but be fair, he based his judgement on info
> > > > > > > sent from Washington, claiming that Saddam could have Nukes
> > > > > > > up and ready to fire within 45minutes.This(as you know) was
> > > > > > > totally untrue.He assumed and trusted that the American info was
> > > > > > > reliable. What would you have done in Blairs shoes?

> >
> > > > > > > Gonad

> >
> > > > > > Why did he ignore the info from Hans Blix? There were MANY voices
> > > > > > warning caution and patience to let the inspectors get their job done.
> > > > > > Blair thought it would be a cakewalk and he overestimated the ability
> > > > > > of coalition forces. But the point to take away from all this is that if
> > > > > > one LIES about the reason for going to war, its not possible to justify
> > > > > > going into conflict. Blood for Oil, nothing less.

> >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > ___ ___ ___ ___
> > > > > > /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \
> > > > > > /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > > /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > > /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \
> > > > > > /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\
> > > > > > \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/
> > > > > > \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/
> > > > > > \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
> > > > > > /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\
> > > > > > \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/

> >
> > > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+
> > > > > > |S|a|y| |D|u|h| |t|o| |A|y|n| |R|a|n|d|
> > > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+

> >
> > > > > Blair tried to tell Bush to hold back, you seem to dismiss that
> > > > > Bush forced the issue with false information about nukes in 45
> > > > > minutes?
> > > > > I ask you again, "what would you have done if a trusted friend
> > > > > told you that Saddam has got nukes and can be ready to fire
> > > > > in 45mins"?
> > > > > That was the catalyst that made Blair agree.

> >
> > > > Just because you're "friends" with somwon dosent mean you trust them implicitly :)

> >
> > > > > If the 45 min claim was true and if Saddam destroyed half of
> > > > > the worlds oil producing capability, then America and the UK
> > > > > would practically grind to a halt. Think about it! Yes oil was and
> > > > > is the lifeblood of our industry. We cannot operate without it!

> >
> > > > So you're saying that x-amount of dead iraqi civilians is "worth it" to keep an economy humming along?
> > > > :(

> >
> > > > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/

> >
> > > What I'm saying, is that Bush forced the issue when he ignored the UN,
> > > Blair wanted to get the whole of the UN to condemn Saddam and apply
> > > more sanctions and wait to see if they would work but Bush wouldn't
> > > wait.

> >
> > Soooooooooooo...in what way did that FORCE Tony B-aLiar to send troops?
> > :)
> >
> > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/27/recession-the-movie/

>
> Blair, being his strongest ally, he had to show solidarity, bearing in
> mind
> the USA helped us out on a few occasions.


So loyalty trumps common sense?
:(

>If he hadn't sent our troops
> in
> it would have put us in an awkward situation in the future


No, you'd have seemed sane given how things have turned out.


> if ever we
> needed
> Americas' assistance.It is essential that we stay strong as a force
> against
> evil terrorists and despots.
>

Uh, yeah. Saddam had what exactly to do with 9-11?
:)

--
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=96940/
 
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:05:44 -0700 (PDT)
Naked Gonad <bodron57@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mar 28, 4:37 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> >
> > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On Mar 27, 4:39 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:08:11 -0700 (PDT)

> >
> > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 24, 8:33 pm, snuhw...@netscape.net (???hw??f) wrote:
> > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> clouded the waters of pure thought with:

> >
> > > > > > > On Mar 24, 4:27 pm, =A7=F1=FChw=A4=A3f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT)

> >
> > > > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, GW Bush has made your beautiful country, pariahs
> > > > > > > > > of the world. We (Britain) got sucked into it because, (as friends),
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > felt obliged to help (which is what mates do). I'm not exonerating
> > > > > > > > > us, we must share the blame because we were involved.
> > > > > > > > > Bush is too gung ho, although I know he obviously meant well - but
> > > > > > > > > his hasty maverick approach, alienated much of this planet.
> > > > > > > > > Too many of yours and our boys are paying the ultimate price, as
> > > > > > > > > well as contributing to the demise in your economy.
> > > > > > > > > Put someone in who thinks a bit more before pulling that trigger!

> >
> > > > > > > > > Gonad

> >
> > > > > > > > Tony B-aLIAR didnt resist much though did he?

> >
> > > > > > > >www.afterdowningstreet.org

> >
> > > > > > > Can't argue with that but be fair, he based his judgement on info
> > > > > > > sent from Washington, claiming that Saddam could have Nukes
> > > > > > > up and ready to fire within 45minutes.This(as you know) was
> > > > > > > totally untrue.He assumed and trusted that the American info was
> > > > > > > reliable. What would you have done in Blairs shoes?

> >
> > > > > > > Gonad

> >
> > > > > > Why did he ignore the info from Hans Blix? There were MANY voices
> > > > > > warning caution and patience to let the inspectors get their job done.
> > > > > > Blair thought it would be a cakewalk and he overestimated the ability
> > > > > > of coalition forces. But the point to take away from all this is that if
> > > > > > one LIES about the reason for going to war, its not possible to justify
> > > > > > going into conflict. Blood for Oil, nothing less.

> >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > ___ ___ ___ ___
> > > > > > /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \
> > > > > > /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > > /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > > /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \
> > > > > > /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\
> > > > > > \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/
> > > > > > \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/
> > > > > > \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
> > > > > > /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\
> > > > > > \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/

> >
> > > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+
> > > > > > |S|a|y| |D|u|h| |t|o| |A|y|n| |R|a|n|d|
> > > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+

> >
> > > > > Blair tried to tell Bush to hold back, you seem to dismiss that
> > > > > Bush forced the issue with false information about nukes in 45
> > > > > minutes?
> > > > > I ask you again, "what would you have done if a trusted friend
> > > > > told you that Saddam has got nukes and can be ready to fire
> > > > > in 45mins"?
> > > > > That was the catalyst that made Blair agree.

> >
> > > > Just because you're "friends" with somwon dosent mean you trust them implicitly :)

> >
> > > > > If the 45 min claim was true and if Saddam destroyed half of
> > > > > the worlds oil producing capability, then America and the UK
> > > > > would practically grind to a halt. Think about it! Yes oil was and
> > > > > is the lifeblood of our industry. We cannot operate without it!

> >
> > > > So you're saying that x-amount of dead iraqi civilians is "worth it" to keep an economy humming along?
> > > > :(

> >
> > > > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/

> >
> > > What I'm saying, is that Bush forced the issue when he ignored the UN,
> > > Blair wanted to get the whole of the UN to condemn Saddam and apply
> > > more sanctions and wait to see if they would work but Bush wouldn't
> > > wait.

> >
> > Soooooooooooo...in what way did that FORCE Tony B-aLiar to send troops?
> > :)
> >
> > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/27/recession-the-movie/

>
> Blair, being his strongest ally, he had to show solidarity, bearing in
> mind
> the USA helped us out on a few occasions.


So loyalty trumps common sense?
:(

>If he hadn't sent our troops
> in
> it would have put us in an awkward situation in the future


No, you'd have seemed sane given how things have turned out.


> if ever we
> needed
> Americas' assistance.It is essential that we stay strong as a force
> against
> evil terrorists and despots.
>

Uh, yeah. Saddam had what exactly to do with 9-11?
:)

--
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=96940/
 
On Mar 29, 4:41 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:05:44 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>
> Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 4:37 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT)

>
> > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 27, 4:39 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:08:11 -0700 (PDT)

>
> > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > On Mar 24, 8:33 pm, snuhw...@netscape.net (???hw??f) wrote:
> > > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> clouded the waters of pure thought with:

>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 24, 4:27 pm, =A7=F1=FChw=A4=A3f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT)

>
> > > > > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, GW Bush has made your beautiful country, pariahs
> > > > > > > > > > of the world. We (Britain) got sucked into it because, (as friends),
> > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > felt obliged to help (which is what mates do). I'm not exonerating
> > > > > > > > > > us, we must share the blame because we were involved.
> > > > > > > > > > Bush is too gung ho, although I know he obviously meant well - but
> > > > > > > > > > his hasty maverick approach, alienated much of this planet.
> > > > > > > > > > Too many of yours and our boys are paying the ultimate price, as
> > > > > > > > > > well as contributing to the demise in your economy.
> > > > > > > > > > Put someone in who thinks a bit more before pulling that trigger!

>
> > > > > > > > > > Gonad

>
> > > > > > > > > Tony B-aLIAR didnt resist much though did he?

>
> > > > > > > > >www.afterdowningstreet.org

>
> > > > > > > > Can't argue with that but be fair, he based his judgement on info
> > > > > > > > sent from Washington, claiming that Saddam could have Nukes
> > > > > > > > up and ready to fire within 45minutes.This(as you know) was
> > > > > > > > totally untrue.He assumed and trusted that the American info was
> > > > > > > > reliable. What would you have done in Blairs shoes?

>
> > > > > > > > Gonad

>
> > > > > > > Why did he ignore the info from Hans Blix? There were MANY voices
> > > > > > > warning caution and patience to let the inspectors get their job done.
> > > > > > > Blair thought it would be a cakewalk and he overestimated the ability
> > > > > > > of coalition forces. But the point to take away from all this is that if
> > > > > > > one LIES about the reason for going to war, its not possible to justify
> > > > > > > going into conflict. Blood for Oil, nothing less.

>
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > ___ ___ ___ ___
> > > > > > > /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \
> > > > > > > /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > > > /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > > > /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \
> > > > > > > /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\
> > > > > > > \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/
> > > > > > > \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/
> > > > > > > \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
> > > > > > > /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\
> > > > > > > \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/

>
> > > > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+
> > > > > > > |S|a|y| |D|u|h| |t|o| |A|y|n| |R|a|n|d|
> > > > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+

>
> > > > > > Blair tried to tell Bush to hold back, you seem to dismiss that
> > > > > > Bush forced the issue with false information about nukes in 45
> > > > > > minutes?
> > > > > > I ask you again, "what would you have done if a trusted friend
> > > > > > told you that Saddam has got nukes and can be ready to fire
> > > > > > in 45mins"?
> > > > > > That was the catalyst that made Blair agree.

>
> > > > > Just because you're "friends" with somwon dosent mean you trust them implicitly :)

>
> > > > > > If the 45 min claim was true and if Saddam destroyed half of
> > > > > > the worlds oil producing capability, then America and the UK
> > > > > > would practically grind to a halt. Think about it! Yes oil was and
> > > > > > is the lifeblood of our industry. We cannot operate without it!

>
> > > > > So you're saying that x-amount of dead iraqi civilians is "worth it" to keep an economy humming along?
> > > > > :(

>
> > > > > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/

>
> > > > What I'm saying, is that Bush forced the issue when he ignored the UN,
> > > > Blair wanted to get the whole of the UN to condemn Saddam and apply
> > > > more sanctions and wait to see if they would work but Bush wouldn't
> > > > wait.

>
> > > Soooooooooooo...in what way did that FORCE Tony B-aLiar to send troops?
> > > :)

>
> > > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/27/recession-the-movie/

>
> > Blair, being his strongest ally, he had to show solidarity, bearing in
> > mind
> > the USA helped us out on a few occasions.

>
> So loyalty trumps common sense?
> :(
>
> >If he hadn't sent our troops
> > in
> > it would have put us in an awkward situation in the future

>
> No, you'd have seemed sane given how things have turned out.
>
> > if ever we
> > needed
> > Americas' assistance.It is essential that we stay strong as a force
> > against
> > evil terrorists and despots.

>
> Uh, yeah. Saddam had what exactly to do with 9-11?
> :)
>
> --http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=96940/


No but he proved that he could and would invade at will.
Remember Kuwait?.... Remember the cleansing of
the Kurds,who were actually his countrymen.
If people looked at him the wrong way or said the
wrong thing, he would kill them or torture them,or
both.

Gonad
 
On Mar 29, 4:41 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:05:44 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>
> Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Mar 28, 4:37 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT)

>
> > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 27, 4:39 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:08:11 -0700 (PDT)

>
> > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > On Mar 24, 8:33 pm, snuhw...@netscape.net (???hw??f) wrote:
> > > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> clouded the waters of pure thought with:

>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 24, 4:27 pm, =A7=F1=FChw=A4=A3f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT)

>
> > > > > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, GW Bush has made your beautiful country, pariahs
> > > > > > > > > > of the world. We (Britain) got sucked into it because, (as friends),
> > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > felt obliged to help (which is what mates do). I'm not exonerating
> > > > > > > > > > us, we must share the blame because we were involved.
> > > > > > > > > > Bush is too gung ho, although I know he obviously meant well - but
> > > > > > > > > > his hasty maverick approach, alienated much of this planet.
> > > > > > > > > > Too many of yours and our boys are paying the ultimate price, as
> > > > > > > > > > well as contributing to the demise in your economy.
> > > > > > > > > > Put someone in who thinks a bit more before pulling that trigger!

>
> > > > > > > > > > Gonad

>
> > > > > > > > > Tony B-aLIAR didnt resist much though did he?

>
> > > > > > > > >www.afterdowningstreet.org

>
> > > > > > > > Can't argue with that but be fair, he based his judgement on info
> > > > > > > > sent from Washington, claiming that Saddam could have Nukes
> > > > > > > > up and ready to fire within 45minutes.This(as you know) was
> > > > > > > > totally untrue.He assumed and trusted that the American info was
> > > > > > > > reliable. What would you have done in Blairs shoes?

>
> > > > > > > > Gonad

>
> > > > > > > Why did he ignore the info from Hans Blix? There were MANY voices
> > > > > > > warning caution and patience to let the inspectors get their job done.
> > > > > > > Blair thought it would be a cakewalk and he overestimated the ability
> > > > > > > of coalition forces. But the point to take away from all this is that if
> > > > > > > one LIES about the reason for going to war, its not possible to justify
> > > > > > > going into conflict. Blood for Oil, nothing less.

>
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > ___ ___ ___ ___
> > > > > > > /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \
> > > > > > > /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > > > /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > > > /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \
> > > > > > > /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\
> > > > > > > \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/
> > > > > > > \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/
> > > > > > > \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
> > > > > > > /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\
> > > > > > > \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/

>
> > > > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+
> > > > > > > |S|a|y| |D|u|h| |t|o| |A|y|n| |R|a|n|d|
> > > > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+

>
> > > > > > Blair tried to tell Bush to hold back, you seem to dismiss that
> > > > > > Bush forced the issue with false information about nukes in 45
> > > > > > minutes?
> > > > > > I ask you again, "what would you have done if a trusted friend
> > > > > > told you that Saddam has got nukes and can be ready to fire
> > > > > > in 45mins"?
> > > > > > That was the catalyst that made Blair agree.

>
> > > > > Just because you're "friends" with somwon dosent mean you trust them implicitly :)

>
> > > > > > If the 45 min claim was true and if Saddam destroyed half of
> > > > > > the worlds oil producing capability, then America and the UK
> > > > > > would practically grind to a halt. Think about it! Yes oil was and
> > > > > > is the lifeblood of our industry. We cannot operate without it!

>
> > > > > So you're saying that x-amount of dead iraqi civilians is "worth it" to keep an economy humming along?
> > > > > :(

>
> > > > > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/

>
> > > > What I'm saying, is that Bush forced the issue when he ignored the UN,
> > > > Blair wanted to get the whole of the UN to condemn Saddam and apply
> > > > more sanctions and wait to see if they would work but Bush wouldn't
> > > > wait.

>
> > > Soooooooooooo...in what way did that FORCE Tony B-aLiar to send troops?
> > > :)

>
> > > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/27/recession-the-movie/

>
> > Blair, being his strongest ally, he had to show solidarity, bearing in
> > mind
> > the USA helped us out on a few occasions.

>
> So loyalty trumps common sense?
> :(
>
> >If he hadn't sent our troops
> > in
> > it would have put us in an awkward situation in the future

>
> No, you'd have seemed sane given how things have turned out.
>
> > if ever we
> > needed
> > Americas' assistance.It is essential that we stay strong as a force
> > against
> > evil terrorists and despots.

>
> Uh, yeah. Saddam had what exactly to do with 9-11?
> :)
>
> --http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=96940/


No but he proved that he could and would invade at will.
Remember Kuwait?.... Remember the cleansing of
the Kurds,who were actually his countrymen.
If people looked at him the wrong way or said the
wrong thing, he would kill them or torture them,or
both.

Gonad
 
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:44:57 -0700 (PDT)
Naked Gonad <bodron57@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mar 29, 4:41 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:05:44 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> >
> > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On Mar 28, 4:37 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT)

> >
> > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 27, 4:39 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:08:11 -0700 (PDT)

> >
> > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mar 24, 8:33 pm, snuhw...@netscape.net (???hw??f) wrote:
> > > > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> clouded the waters of pure thought with:

> >
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 24, 4:27 pm, =A7=F1=FChw=A4=A3f <snuhw....@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT)

> >
> > > > > > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, GW Bush has made your beautiful country, pariahs
> > > > > > > > > > > of the world. We (Britain) got sucked into it because, (as friends),
> > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > felt obliged to help (which is what mates do). I'm not exonerating
> > > > > > > > > > > us, we must share the blame because we were involved.
> > > > > > > > > > > Bush is too gung ho, although I know he obviously meant well - but
> > > > > > > > > > > his hasty maverick approach, alienated much of this planet.
> > > > > > > > > > > Too many of yours and our boys are paying the ultimate price, as
> > > > > > > > > > > well as contributing to the demise in your economy.
> > > > > > > > > > > Put someone in who thinks a bit more before pulling that trigger!

> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gonad

> >
> > > > > > > > > > Tony B-aLIAR didnt resist much though did he?

> >
> > > > > > > > > >www.afterdowningstreet.org

> >
> > > > > > > > > Can't argue with that but be fair, he based his judgement on info
> > > > > > > > > sent from Washington, claiming that Saddam could have Nukes
> > > > > > > > > up and ready to fire within 45minutes.This(as you know) was
> > > > > > > > > totally untrue.He assumed and trusted that the American info was
> > > > > > > > > reliable. What would you have done in Blairs shoes?

> >
> > > > > > > > > Gonad

> >
> > > > > > > > Why did he ignore the info from Hans Blix? There were MANY voices
> > > > > > > > warning caution and patience to let the inspectors get their job done.
> > > > > > > > Blair thought it would be a cakewalk and he overestimated the ability
> > > > > > > > of coalition forces. But the point to take away from all this is that if
> > > > > > > > one LIES about the reason for going to war, its not possible to justify
> > > > > > > > going into conflict. Blood for Oil, nothing less.

> >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > ___ ___ ___ ___
> > > > > > > > /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \
> > > > > > > > /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > > > > /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > > > > /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \
> > > > > > > > /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\
> > > > > > > > \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/
> > > > > > > > \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/
> > > > > > > > \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
> > > > > > > > /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\
> > > > > > > > \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/

> >
> > > > > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+
> > > > > > > > |S|a|y| |D|u|h| |t|o| |A|y|n| |R|a|n|d|
> > > > > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+

> >
> > > > > > > Blair tried to tell Bush to hold back, you seem to dismiss that
> > > > > > > Bush forced the issue with false information about nukes in 45
> > > > > > > minutes?
> > > > > > > I ask you again, "what would you have done if a trusted friend
> > > > > > > told you that Saddam has got nukes and can be ready to fire
> > > > > > > in 45mins"?
> > > > > > > That was the catalyst that made Blair agree.

> >
> > > > > > Just because you're "friends" with somwon dosent mean you trust them implicitly :)

> >
> > > > > > > If the 45 min claim was true and if Saddam destroyed half of
> > > > > > > the worlds oil producing capability, then America and the UK
> > > > > > > would practically grind to a halt. Think about it! Yes oil was and
> > > > > > > is the lifeblood of our industry. We cannot operate without it!

> >
> > > > > > So you're saying that x-amount of dead iraqi civilians is "worth it" to keep an economy humming along?
> > > > > > :(

> >
> > > > > > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/

> >
> > > > > What I'm saying, is that Bush forced the issue when he ignored the UN,
> > > > > Blair wanted to get the whole of the UN to condemn Saddam and apply
> > > > > more sanctions and wait to see if they would work but Bush wouldn't
> > > > > wait.

> >
> > > > Soooooooooooo...in what way did that FORCE Tony B-aLiar to send troops?
> > > > :)

> >
> > > > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/27/recession-the-movie/

> >
> > > Blair, being his strongest ally, he had to show solidarity, bearing in
> > > mind
> > > the USA helped us out on a few occasions.

> >
> > So loyalty trumps common sense?
> > :(
> >
> > >If he hadn't sent our troops
> > > in
> > > it would have put us in an awkward situation in the future

> >
> > No, you'd have seemed sane given how things have turned out.
> >
> > > if ever we
> > > needed
> > > Americas' assistance.It is essential that we stay strong as a force
> > > against
> > > evil terrorists and despots.

> >
> > Uh, yeah. Saddam had what exactly to do with 9-11?
> > :)
> >
> > --http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=96940/

>
> No but he proved that he could and would invade at will.


Invade america? THe argument for going was that he had WMD's, which he didnt. And that he had ties to Al-quaida, which also proved false.


> Remember Kuwait?.... Remember the cleansing of
> the Kurds,who were actually his countrymen.


Not really countrymen persay, but a distinct culture that was annexed by Iraq more than anything else.
I had a kurdish friend who hated Hussein but when I said, "are you iraqi?" he stated that the Kurdish people are different culturally from the sunnis & shia and kurds consider themselves to be unique.

> If people looked at him the wrong way or said the
> wrong thing, he would kill them or torture them,or
> both.
>

Yeah. But he didnt have WMD's. Kim Jong Il has WMD's and we didnt do jack **** to him. He also DOSENT have oil.
See the pattern here?
:)

--
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/29/bush-hope-now/
 
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:44:57 -0700 (PDT)
Naked Gonad <bodron57@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mar 29, 4:41 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:05:44 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >
> >
> > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On Mar 28, 4:37 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:15:30 -0700 (PDT)

> >
> > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 27, 4:39 pm, ???hw??f <snuhw...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:08:11 -0700 (PDT)

> >
> > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mar 24, 8:33 pm, snuhw...@netscape.net (???hw??f) wrote:
> > > > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> clouded the waters of pure thought with:

> >
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 24, 4:27 pm, =A7=F1=FChw=A4=A3f <snuhw....@netscape.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT)

> >
> > > > > > > > > > Naked Gonad <bodro...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, GW Bush has made your beautiful country, pariahs
> > > > > > > > > > > of the world. We (Britain) got sucked into it because, (as friends),
> > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > > > felt obliged to help (which is what mates do). I'm not exonerating
> > > > > > > > > > > us, we must share the blame because we were involved.
> > > > > > > > > > > Bush is too gung ho, although I know he obviously meant well - but
> > > > > > > > > > > his hasty maverick approach, alienated much of this planet.
> > > > > > > > > > > Too many of yours and our boys are paying the ultimate price, as
> > > > > > > > > > > well as contributing to the demise in your economy.
> > > > > > > > > > > Put someone in who thinks a bit more before pulling that trigger!

> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gonad

> >
> > > > > > > > > > Tony B-aLIAR didnt resist much though did he?

> >
> > > > > > > > > >www.afterdowningstreet.org

> >
> > > > > > > > > Can't argue with that but be fair, he based his judgement on info
> > > > > > > > > sent from Washington, claiming that Saddam could have Nukes
> > > > > > > > > up and ready to fire within 45minutes.This(as you know) was
> > > > > > > > > totally untrue.He assumed and trusted that the American info was
> > > > > > > > > reliable. What would you have done in Blairs shoes?

> >
> > > > > > > > > Gonad

> >
> > > > > > > > Why did he ignore the info from Hans Blix? There were MANY voices
> > > > > > > > warning caution and patience to let the inspectors get their job done.
> > > > > > > > Blair thought it would be a cakewalk and he overestimated the ability
> > > > > > > > of coalition forces. But the point to take away from all this is that if
> > > > > > > > one LIES about the reason for going to war, its not possible to justify
> > > > > > > > going into conflict. Blood for Oil, nothing less.

> >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > ___ ___ ___ ___
> > > > > > > > /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \
> > > > > > > > /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > > > > /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
> > > > > > > > /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \
> > > > > > > > /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\
> > > > > > > > \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/
> > > > > > > > \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/
> > > > > > > > \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
> > > > > > > > /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\
> > > > > > > > \/__/ \/__/ \/__/ \/__/

> >
> > > > > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+
> > > > > > > > |S|a|y| |D|u|h| |t|o| |A|y|n| |R|a|n|d|
> > > > > > > > +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+ +-+-+-+ +-+-+-+-+

> >
> > > > > > > Blair tried to tell Bush to hold back, you seem to dismiss that
> > > > > > > Bush forced the issue with false information about nukes in 45
> > > > > > > minutes?
> > > > > > > I ask you again, "what would you have done if a trusted friend
> > > > > > > told you that Saddam has got nukes and can be ready to fire
> > > > > > > in 45mins"?
> > > > > > > That was the catalyst that made Blair agree.

> >
> > > > > > Just because you're "friends" with somwon dosent mean you trust them implicitly :)

> >
> > > > > > > If the 45 min claim was true and if Saddam destroyed half of
> > > > > > > the worlds oil producing capability, then America and the UK
> > > > > > > would practically grind to a halt. Think about it! Yes oil was and
> > > > > > > is the lifeblood of our industry. We cannot operate without it!

> >
> > > > > > So you're saying that x-amount of dead iraqi civilians is "worth it" to keep an economy humming along?
> > > > > > :(

> >
> > > > > > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/26/mccain-bear/

> >
> > > > > What I'm saying, is that Bush forced the issue when he ignored the UN,
> > > > > Blair wanted to get the whole of the UN to condemn Saddam and apply
> > > > > more sanctions and wait to see if they would work but Bush wouldn't
> > > > > wait.

> >
> > > > Soooooooooooo...in what way did that FORCE Tony B-aLiar to send troops?
> > > > :)

> >
> > > > --http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/27/recession-the-movie/

> >
> > > Blair, being his strongest ally, he had to show solidarity, bearing in
> > > mind
> > > the USA helped us out on a few occasions.

> >
> > So loyalty trumps common sense?
> > :(
> >
> > >If he hadn't sent our troops
> > > in
> > > it would have put us in an awkward situation in the future

> >
> > No, you'd have seemed sane given how things have turned out.
> >
> > > if ever we
> > > needed
> > > Americas' assistance.It is essential that we stay strong as a force
> > > against
> > > evil terrorists and despots.

> >
> > Uh, yeah. Saddam had what exactly to do with 9-11?
> > :)
> >
> > --http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=96940/

>
> No but he proved that he could and would invade at will.


Invade america? THe argument for going was that he had WMD's, which he didnt. And that he had ties to Al-quaida, which also proved false.


> Remember Kuwait?.... Remember the cleansing of
> the Kurds,who were actually his countrymen.


Not really countrymen persay, but a distinct culture that was annexed by Iraq more than anything else.
I had a kurdish friend who hated Hussein but when I said, "are you iraqi?" he stated that the Kurdish people are different culturally from the sunnis & shia and kurds consider themselves to be unique.

> If people looked at him the wrong way or said the
> wrong thing, he would kill them or torture them,or
> both.
>

Yeah. But he didnt have WMD's. Kim Jong Il has WMD's and we didnt do jack **** to him. He also DOSENT have oil.
See the pattern here?
:)

--
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/29/bush-hope-now/
 
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