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Luke Nichols
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On Feb 3, 7:46?am, Raymond <Bluerhy...@aol.com> wrote:
> Christians United for Israel: New Christian Zionism Lobby Hopes to
> Rival AIPAC.
> (A Real Con Job)
Alison Crisci and Kara Silverman: "Evangaho's."
All kidding aside, this group is wrong, on so many levels, it isn't funny.
The Apostle Paul said at the end times, there would be a great apostasy
within Christianity. I guess from this video we can see it first hand.
Jesus taught, HIMSELF a post-tribulation rapture. When you believe a
pre-tribulation rapture, you've swallowed a lie. Is it any wonder many
Evangelicals are going to hell? For calling Jesus a liar? Christianity has
more pressing problems to worry about than Israel. They got corrupt greedy
moneygrubbers, fleecing everyone for their last dime on TBN, and INSP. We
got the mark of the beast coming into existence. We don't have TIME to
worry about Israel. Luke
http://www.lukelive.org
>
> Bible Pounding Pastor John Hagee spearheads Christians United for
> Israel
> Why?
>
> We take a look at a new recently established group called Christians
> United for Israel-an evangelical organization that believes supporting
> expansionist policies of the Israeli government is: "a biblical
> imperative." We speak with investigative journalist Max Blumenthal who
> reports they lobbied the Bush administration to adopt a
> confrontational posture toward Iran, refuse aid to the Palestinians
> and give Israel a free hand in its attack on Lebanon. [includes rush
> transcript]
>
> In March of this year, a study on the role of the Israel lobby in US
> foreign policy caused an uproar in the academic community and in the
> media. The paper's authors, Professor Stephen Walt of Harvard
> University and John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago, argued
> the pro-Israel lobby has unduly influenced the United States to set
> aside its own security in order to advance the interests of Israel.
> The study emphasized the activities of the pro-Israel lobby group the
> American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC.
>
> Well, there's another side of the pro-Israel lobby that's drawing
> increasing attention--and some say its far more influential. A new
> group was recently established called Christians United for Israel-
> CUFI. They're an evangelical organization that believes supporting
> expansionist policies of the Israeli government is: "a biblical
> imperative." In a new article for The Nation, journalist Max
> Blumenthal reports group members have held several meetings with White
> House officials to talk about US policy in the Middle East. They've
> apparently lobbied the administration to adopt a confrontational
> posture toward Iran, refuse aid to the Palestinians and give Israel a
> free hand in its attack on Lebanon.
>
> We're going to speak with Max Blumenthal in a moment but first, we
> hear from Christians United for Israel. Their inaugural event was held
> last month in Washington, DC. More than 3,000 people were in
> attendance to hear speeches from Israeli and American dignitaries.
> Among the speakers was Kansas Republican Senator Sam Brownback.
>
> SEN. SAM BROWNBACK: Thank you in your energy. Thank you in your
> prayers. Thank you for standing with Israel in this difficult time. I
> close with noting that the recently elected Prime Minister of Israel
> addressed a joint session of Congress about a month or so ago. And he
> spoke there, and I sat as I listened to him give an eloquent speech,
> uniting speech, thinking to myself, the United States doesn't have a
> closer partner in the world than Israel today. And it is true. And
> it's important for us, when our friend is in difficulty, Israel, that
> we stand by them in this difficult time. Thank you for being here. God
> bless you all. God bless the United States of America. And God bless
> the Israeli people.
>
> The group's founder, Texas television evangelist, John Hagee, also
> spoke.
>
> JOHN HAGEE: We gather in Washington, D.C., tonight for one of the most
> dramatic moments in the history of American Christiandom. We gather
> here from every state in the nation. We gather here with more than
> 3,400 spiritual leaders. We gather for one purpose: to express our
> solidarity with the state of Israel and the Jewish people, because
> this historic event is being telecast across the nation and around the
> world; because this telecast is being seen in Iran, where a new
> Hitler, the President of Iran, threatens to annihilate Israel with a
> nuclear holocaust, saying Israel should be wiped off the map and
> saying, like it or not, the Zionist regime is headed toward total
> annihilation, to be ended with a sudden storm; because the enemies of
> Israel are doubtless watching this telecast and question our resolve
> as Christians to stand with Israel until Islamofascism is totally
> defeated; because this will be seen in Israel by a war-weary people
> who at this very hour are once again fighting Hamas terrorists whose
> covenant calls for the death of Jewish people and total destruction of
> Israel; because God in heaven is watching and has commanded us, keep
> not silent concerning Israel. Well, those of you in this audience who
> stand in solidarity with Israel, until victory comes, stand and send a
> message to the U.S. Congress, to the people of Israel, to the enemies
> of Israel: We are with you. We stand with you. Israel, you are not
> alone.
>
> Max Blumenthal, who writes about Christians United for Israel in a new
> piece for The Nation. He's a Puffin Foundation Writing Fellow at the
> Nation Institute. He's based in Washington, D.C. His pieces have
> appeared in The Nation, and Salon, American Prospect, Washington
> Monthly. His piece is called "Birth Pangs of a New Christian Zionism."
>
> MAX BLUMENTHAL: Christian Zionism has been a force within the
> Christian right for over 20 years, and they've made--the Christian
> Zionist movement, they've made themselves an asset to Israel by
> sending millions in aid money to Israel. They're a major source of
> Israeli tourism, especially during the Second Intifada. They were
> perhaps the only source of tourism revenue for Israel, which is a key
> source of revenue for the Israeli government. And on an individual
> basis, leaders of the Christian Zionist movement have lobbied the
> government, especially the Bush administration, which has had an open
> door policy to them. But never before has there been an official
> Washington lobbying organization for the Christian Zionist movement.
>
> So now you have Christians United for Israel, which was founded in
> February by John Hagee, who commands a mega-church in San Antonio with
> 18,000 members. He's a huge force in Texas politics, a close, personal
> friend of Tom DeLay. And what this organization has done is they've
> convened all of the major Christian Zionist mega-churches in the
> country under one umbrella group, and they've hired a lobbyist. Hagee
> has a lot of money through his congregation. And their lobbyist is a
> guy named David Brog, who's the former chief of staff to Arlen
> Specter, and he's Jewish, so this makes him a huge asset to this
> organization, because he can beat back criticism from other Jewish
> leaders that Christian Zionists harbor ulterior motives for supporting
> Israel, that they have an Armageddon-based agenda for supporting
> Israel.
>
> And if you look at what John Hagee has written in his books, like
> Jerusalem Countdown, his most recent book, which cites 17 unnamed
> Israeli intelligence sources to claim that Iran is producing nuclear
> suitcase bombs and that Israel must engage in a "nuclear showdown"
> with Iran or risk committing national suicide, if you look at what
> he's written, he does have an Armageddon-based agenda. And so I think
> what this lobby does, it plays an instrumental PR role on behalf of
> the Christian Zionist movement in preventing legitimate criticism of
> their motives for supporting Israel, and they are bolstering what
> AIPAC is doing and possibly even radicalizing what AIPAC is doing, by
> providing them a grassroots base in the heartland.
>
> The majority of America's 60 million evangelicals are premillenial
> dispensationalists. They believe that the end times could come at any
> moment, and they're looking for signs of that, so they're sympathetic
> to supporting Israel for these reasons. And so they provide a strong
> grassroots base. This is the Republican base. This is the only
> component of the Republican base that still supports Bush's policies
> in Iraq without question, unconditionally, and supports Israel's
> expansionism. While the American Jewish community is willing to, you
> know, stand for Israel and show solidarity for Israel, they also
> support a peace process, and they support a sovereign Palestinian
> state. But this group doesn't.
>
> You know, for instance, Pat Robertson went on the 700 Club and said
> that Ariel Sharon's descent into a comatose state was punishment for
> dividing the land for the Gaza withdrawal, for pulling 9,000 extremist
> settlers out of a huge swath of land. And, you know, then last week,
> Pat Robertson was flown to Israel to pray with Ehud Olmert and go on
> the 700 Club and tell his viewership that the Lebanese civilians, the
> Lebanese society was harboring terrorists, and therefore, civilian
> casualties were justified. So they play a PR role on behalf of the
> extremist wing of Israeli political culture. They're very connected to
> people like Benjamin Netanyahu, who's positioning himself to succeed
> Ehud Olmert in the wake of Olmert's possibly imminent resignation. So
> I think there's a real danger here...... Well, we know in the past
> that Karl Rove and people in Karl Rove's shop, like Tim Goeglein and
> Elliott Abrams, who's in the State Department, who's traveling, you
> know, to Israel with Condoleezza Rice, have met with Christian Zionist
> groups, so this is not an anomaly. But this group has a much larger
> voice than any of the other groups that have met with the Bush
> administration, and they claim--David Brog claimed to me that their
> principal achievement has been keeping a ceasefire off the table for
> the past month. So, their principal achievement has been essentially
> giving Israel a free hand and the IDF a free hand to kind of, you
> know, ramp up the war, and I think this has had catastrophic
> consequences for the Middle East and the peace process.
>
> I'm not discounting the influence of AIPAC. I'm not saying that
> Christians United has anywhere near the influence of AIPAC, but in a
> Republican-dominated Washington, Christians United represents where
> the Republican base is at, and that's why you have Sam Brownback going
> to their banquet. That's why Ken Mehlman, the head of the RNC, spoke
> at their banquet.
>
> SEE COMPLETE PROPAGANA ARTICLE FOR EVANGELICAL FINANCIAL AND US
> MILITARY
> SUPPORT FOR ZIONISM ANDWAR FOR ISRAEL
> IN THE MIDDLE EAST
>
> http://www.democracynow.org/2006/8/15/christians_united_for_israel_ne...
>
> Why all of this Christian support for Israel when Christians believe
> that the Jews killed their Messiah-Jesus Christ?
>
> Could it be because without the Jews and their Old Testament promise
> of a second coming of a Messaih,
> Jesus Christ would have been just another Jew causing
> problems for the Roman invaders and the collaberating Jewish
> leaders.?
>
> Without that promise there could be no
> Christianity.
>
> The Evangelical Christians need the Jews to establish their claims
> about Jesus being the Son-of-G-d. Without the Jewish prediction of a
> "Second Coming", Jesus
> would have been just another Jewish street magician.
>
> Why Evangelicals, like snake oil salesman, Pat "Chazer" Robertson,
> support Israel.
>
> Allegedly:
> Christians support Israel out of a sense of spiritual debt to the
> Jews, noting that the majority of the Bible was written in Hebrew and
> ordained by God to the Jews. It is through this original covenant
> between God and His "chosen people," that gentiles are able to come to
> God. Paul speaks of this spiritual debt and instructs us to assist the
> Jews (Romans 15: 27).
>
> "They were pleased to do this, and indeed they owe it to them; for if
> the Gentiles have come to share in their spiritual
> blessings, they ought also to be of service to them in
> material things."
>
> The REAL reason:
>
> Because the Christians really don't have a choice. We must
> not forget that there would be no Christian religion if it were
> not for the Jews. Remember the Jewish promise of a second
> coming of a messiah? The Christian conservatives believe that Jesus is
> that dude.
>
> Christians MUST quote the Old Testament since that is where the whole
> idea of a Jesus came from in the first place. Remember the promise of
> a messiah?
>
> I have often wondered why the Christians are so willing to approve and
> defend the Zionist colonization of Palestine when, at the same time,
> they complain that the Jews killed their leader? Could it be that, for
> Christianity the Jewish prophesy of the second coming of a messiah is
> necessary for the Christ of the New Testament to be real?
>
> It doesn't matter that the Jews do not accept Jesus as their
> messiah; the Christians are stuck with the second coming tale and the
> rest of the Old Testament with its violence, gardens, sea-splitting
> and the rest of the deal - warts and all.
>
> Christians have been trying for years to eliminate the OT and the
> insane and viscious deeds committed in the Jewish book, but they
> can't. Without the "Promise" of a second coming and their argument
> that Jesus Christ is the promised product itself, they are stuck with
> it.
>
> Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." Christiands confirmed it at
> the Council of Nicea.
>
> The First Council of Nicaea, convoked by the Roman Emperor Constantine
> I in 325, was the first ecumenical conference of bishops of the
> Christian Church.
>
> The purpose of the council (also called a synod) was to resolve
> disagreements in the Church of Alexandria over the nature of Jesus in
> relationship to the Father; in particular, whether Jesus was of the
> same or of similar substance as God the Father. This is where Jesus
> became divine. Until then he was just another unemployed Jew with a
> political message. Just another man.
>
> "Jesus Christ - Just a man just as a painter must needs paint him as a
> man ?We shall tell what we have believed about Jesus of Nazareth, but
> him we shall treat as being what he appeared to be, a man...
>
> "Almost our only resources of information about the personality of
> Jesus are derived from the ?four Gospels, all of which were certainly
> in existence a few decades after his death, and from allusions to his
> life in the letters (epistles) of the early Christian propagandists.
> The first three Gospels, the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, many
> suppose to be derived from some earlier documents; the Gospel of
> St.John has more idiosyncracy and is couloured by theology of a
> strongly Hellenic type. Critics are disposed to regard the Gospel of
> St. Mark as being the most trustworthy account of the personality and
> actual words of Jesus. but all four agree in giving us a picture of a
> very definite personality; they carry the same conviction of reality
> that the early accounts of Buddha do. In spite of miraculous and
> incredible additions, one must be obliged to say, "Here Is a Man. This
> part of the tale could not have been invented."
>
> --- H.G.Wells
> Outline of History
>
> It's all money and politics friends. The Jews need the political
> support of the Evangelical community and its financial support to
> continue their warmongering tactics in
> Palestine and continued American mercenary troops dying in Iraq for
> the defense of Israel in the Arab world and the badly needed oil from
> Iraq.
>
> It's that simple. Jews don't like Christians and Christians
> don't trust the Jews. ( Read the Torah) However, at this time in
> history,the two will pretend to love one another until there is nomore
> Palestine and the US military controls all of the oil fields in the
> Forbidden Zone.of the Planet of the Apes
>
> www.torah.comserves the world-wide Jewish Community with guidance
> and support for learning and living the Jewish Tradition with a
> particular emphasis on being Jewish in a Gentile world
> .
> SEE: Kirkuk to Haifa Pipeline: Reason for the War?
>
> In 2003, Bush invaded Iraq, partly to topple Saddam Hussein, partly to
> revive the pipeline to Haifa
>
> http://zionofascism.wordpress.com/category/netanyahu-watch/
>
> US discusses plan to pump fuel to its regional ally and solve energy
> headache at a stroke Ed Vuillamy in Washington Sunday April 20, 2003
>
> The Observer
> By Steven Scheer
>
> LONDON (Reuters) - Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he
> expected an oil pipeline from Iraq to Israel to be reopened in the
> near future after being closed when Israel became a state in 1948.
>
> "It won't be long when you will see Iraqi oil flowing to Haifa," the
> port city in northern Israel, Netanyahu told a group of British
> investors, declining to give a timetable.
>
> "It is just a matter of time until the pipeline is reconstituted and
> Iraqi oil will flow to the Mediterranean."
>
> Netanyahu later told Reuters the government was in the early stages of
> looking into the possibility of reopening the pipeline, which during
> the British Mandate sent oil from Mosul to Haifa via Jordan.
>
> Shalom:
> "It's not a pipe-dream," Netanyahu said.
>
> Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to
> Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential
> future government figures in Baghdad.The plan envisages the
> reconstruction of an old pipeline, inactive since the end of the
> British mandate in Palestine in 1948, when the flow from Iraq's
> northern oilfields to Palestine was re-directed to Syria.
>
> Sunday, November 4, 2007
> Iraqi invasion: oil perspective
>
> The British built the Kirkuk-to-Haifa pipeline in 1927. In 1934, they
> completed a 12-inch pipeline from the Kirkuk fields to Al-Haditha on
> the Euphrates River. At that point the pipeline forked. One branch
> went through Syria to Tripoli (Lebanon). The other went across Jordan
> to Haifa. The British built refineries at both Tripoli and Haifa to
> handle this Iraq oil. (In World War II, Germany wanted to get control
> of this oil.)
>
> In 1945 the British added a parallel 16-inch pipeline in Syria.
>
> When Jews started to invade Palestine in 1945, Syria shut down its
> branch to Tripoli. Iraq shut down all oil from from Kirkuk to Haifa.
> At that point, most of northern Iraq's oil went to the Turkish port
> city of Gihan, which was OK with the US, since Turkey was a US ally
> against the USSR. Turkey collect transit fees for this oil.
>
> In 1947 the British oil refinery at Haifa still handled trickle of oil
> from miscellaneous areas, and still employed some 1,700 Arab workers,
> plus 360 Jewish employees. The Arab and Jewish workers formed a union
> to oppose British tyranny. Then Israel was created. Immediately Irgun
> (commanded by Menachem Begin), the Hagana and other terrorist groups
> moved in. Irgun had bombed the King David Hotel the year before, and
> they started massacring Arabs in Haifa and elsewhere.
>
> In 1952, western oil companies built two new lines through Syria to
> Tripoli. The pipeline to Haifa was allowed to decay. Pieces of it were
> dismantled. Various interests used the pieces to build water
> pipelines.
>
> In 2003, Bush invaded Iraq, partly to topple Saddam Hussein, partly to
> revive the pipeline to Haifa (Kirkuk oil fields were said to contain
> perhaps 40% of Iraq's oil), and partly to bring oil deals to his
> personal friends, such as Ray L. Hunt. Small American oil companies
> like Hunt Oil will extract Kurdish oil as soon as and if Mosul and
> Kirkuk are broken off from Iraq (17 November 2007). Mosul is the first
> stop for Kirkuk oil.
>
> When the Haifa pipeline opens back up, only Jordan (not Israel) will
> collect hefty transit fees. Kurdish oil will go to Europe via Israel,
> not Turkey. This might be a reason why Turkey is threatening to
> invade. The minute Bush invaded Iraq, the Turkish realized that the
> pipeline to Haifa would be opened back up. Therefore Turkey tried to
> make deals with Central Asian states (such as Azerbaijan) to get new
> pipelines to Turkey, but now Iran and Russia have foiled Turkish plans
> by forming the new alliance of Caspian Sea states. Turkey feels
> squeezed. This is yet another reason why they are threatening to
> invade northern Iraq.
>
> Shortly after the 2003 invasion, Benyamin Netanyahu (the then Israeli
> finance minister) boasted, "Soon you will see Iraqi oil flowing to
> Haifa. It is just a matter of time until the pipeline is
> reconstituted, and Iraqi oil will flow to the Mediterranean. It's not
> a pipe dream."
>
> Under a 1975 Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) the US guaranteed all
> Israel's oil needs in the event of a crisis. This MoU is quietly
> renewed every five years. It commits US taxpayers to maintain a
> strategic US reserve for Israel, equivalent to $3 billion in 2002
> dollars. Special legislation was enacted to exempt Israel from
> restrictions on oil exports from the US. Moreover, the US government
> agreed to divert oil from the US, even in case of oil shortages in the
> US. The US government also guaranteed delivery of oil in US tankers if
> commercial shippers become unable or unwilling to carry oil from the
> US to Israel.
>
> SEE
> Israel-United States Memorandum of Understanding
> (September 1, 1975)
>
> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/mou1975.html
>
> Israel can wrench lot of oil from the region if the pipeline were used
> again and Kurds were willing to sell the oil. It would also make Kurds
> dependent on Israelis for oil revenues and thus give a greater
> leverage to Israelis over Kurds of the region...
>
> We are All Jews Now
> Aidel gepotchket - Delicately brought up
>
> Consider the present crisis in America and the rise of anti-
> Americanism worldwide. "The US has become a Jewish state in more ways
> than one. It has the same security checks, the same holocaust museums,
> the same poverty for many and riches for a few as Israel
>
> http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles4/Jones_Palestine.htm
>
> Azoy gait es! - That's how it goes!
Page II
Rapture Ready: The Christians United for Israel Tour
This is some seriously scary ****. People are insane, religion is
consuming this world in ignorance and hatred.
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oy vay! -- woe is me!
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a penny of support. If you lie to them,
you'll get millions." - John the Barber
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On Feb 3, 7:46?am, Raymond <Bluerhy...@aol.com> wrote:
> Christians United for Israel: New Christian Zionism Lobby Hopes to
> Rival AIPAC.
> (A Real Con Job)
Alison Crisci and Kara Silverman: "Evangaho's."
All kidding aside, this group is wrong, on so many levels, it isn't funny.
The Apostle Paul said at the end times, there would be a great apostasy
within Christianity. I guess from this video we can see it first hand.
Jesus taught, HIMSELF a post-tribulation rapture. When you believe a
pre-tribulation rapture, you've swallowed a lie. Is it any wonder many
Evangelicals are going to hell? For calling Jesus a liar? Christianity has
more pressing problems to worry about than Israel. They got corrupt greedy
moneygrubbers, fleecing everyone for their last dime on TBN, and INSP. We
got the mark of the beast coming into existence. We don't have TIME to
worry about Israel. Luke
http://www.lukelive.org
>
> Bible Pounding Pastor John Hagee spearheads Christians United for
> Israel
> Why?
>
> We take a look at a new recently established group called Christians
> United for Israel-an evangelical organization that believes supporting
> expansionist policies of the Israeli government is: "a biblical
> imperative." We speak with investigative journalist Max Blumenthal who
> reports they lobbied the Bush administration to adopt a
> confrontational posture toward Iran, refuse aid to the Palestinians
> and give Israel a free hand in its attack on Lebanon. [includes rush
> transcript]
>
> In March of this year, a study on the role of the Israel lobby in US
> foreign policy caused an uproar in the academic community and in the
> media. The paper's authors, Professor Stephen Walt of Harvard
> University and John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago, argued
> the pro-Israel lobby has unduly influenced the United States to set
> aside its own security in order to advance the interests of Israel.
> The study emphasized the activities of the pro-Israel lobby group the
> American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC.
>
> Well, there's another side of the pro-Israel lobby that's drawing
> increasing attention--and some say its far more influential. A new
> group was recently established called Christians United for Israel-
> CUFI. They're an evangelical organization that believes supporting
> expansionist policies of the Israeli government is: "a biblical
> imperative." In a new article for The Nation, journalist Max
> Blumenthal reports group members have held several meetings with White
> House officials to talk about US policy in the Middle East. They've
> apparently lobbied the administration to adopt a confrontational
> posture toward Iran, refuse aid to the Palestinians and give Israel a
> free hand in its attack on Lebanon.
>
> We're going to speak with Max Blumenthal in a moment but first, we
> hear from Christians United for Israel. Their inaugural event was held
> last month in Washington, DC. More than 3,000 people were in
> attendance to hear speeches from Israeli and American dignitaries.
> Among the speakers was Kansas Republican Senator Sam Brownback.
>
> SEN. SAM BROWNBACK: Thank you in your energy. Thank you in your
> prayers. Thank you for standing with Israel in this difficult time. I
> close with noting that the recently elected Prime Minister of Israel
> addressed a joint session of Congress about a month or so ago. And he
> spoke there, and I sat as I listened to him give an eloquent speech,
> uniting speech, thinking to myself, the United States doesn't have a
> closer partner in the world than Israel today. And it is true. And
> it's important for us, when our friend is in difficulty, Israel, that
> we stand by them in this difficult time. Thank you for being here. God
> bless you all. God bless the United States of America. And God bless
> the Israeli people.
>
> The group's founder, Texas television evangelist, John Hagee, also
> spoke.
>
> JOHN HAGEE: We gather in Washington, D.C., tonight for one of the most
> dramatic moments in the history of American Christiandom. We gather
> here from every state in the nation. We gather here with more than
> 3,400 spiritual leaders. We gather for one purpose: to express our
> solidarity with the state of Israel and the Jewish people, because
> this historic event is being telecast across the nation and around the
> world; because this telecast is being seen in Iran, where a new
> Hitler, the President of Iran, threatens to annihilate Israel with a
> nuclear holocaust, saying Israel should be wiped off the map and
> saying, like it or not, the Zionist regime is headed toward total
> annihilation, to be ended with a sudden storm; because the enemies of
> Israel are doubtless watching this telecast and question our resolve
> as Christians to stand with Israel until Islamofascism is totally
> defeated; because this will be seen in Israel by a war-weary people
> who at this very hour are once again fighting Hamas terrorists whose
> covenant calls for the death of Jewish people and total destruction of
> Israel; because God in heaven is watching and has commanded us, keep
> not silent concerning Israel. Well, those of you in this audience who
> stand in solidarity with Israel, until victory comes, stand and send a
> message to the U.S. Congress, to the people of Israel, to the enemies
> of Israel: We are with you. We stand with you. Israel, you are not
> alone.
>
> Max Blumenthal, who writes about Christians United for Israel in a new
> piece for The Nation. He's a Puffin Foundation Writing Fellow at the
> Nation Institute. He's based in Washington, D.C. His pieces have
> appeared in The Nation, and Salon, American Prospect, Washington
> Monthly. His piece is called "Birth Pangs of a New Christian Zionism."
>
> MAX BLUMENTHAL: Christian Zionism has been a force within the
> Christian right for over 20 years, and they've made--the Christian
> Zionist movement, they've made themselves an asset to Israel by
> sending millions in aid money to Israel. They're a major source of
> Israeli tourism, especially during the Second Intifada. They were
> perhaps the only source of tourism revenue for Israel, which is a key
> source of revenue for the Israeli government. And on an individual
> basis, leaders of the Christian Zionist movement have lobbied the
> government, especially the Bush administration, which has had an open
> door policy to them. But never before has there been an official
> Washington lobbying organization for the Christian Zionist movement.
>
> So now you have Christians United for Israel, which was founded in
> February by John Hagee, who commands a mega-church in San Antonio with
> 18,000 members. He's a huge force in Texas politics, a close, personal
> friend of Tom DeLay. And what this organization has done is they've
> convened all of the major Christian Zionist mega-churches in the
> country under one umbrella group, and they've hired a lobbyist. Hagee
> has a lot of money through his congregation. And their lobbyist is a
> guy named David Brog, who's the former chief of staff to Arlen
> Specter, and he's Jewish, so this makes him a huge asset to this
> organization, because he can beat back criticism from other Jewish
> leaders that Christian Zionists harbor ulterior motives for supporting
> Israel, that they have an Armageddon-based agenda for supporting
> Israel.
>
> And if you look at what John Hagee has written in his books, like
> Jerusalem Countdown, his most recent book, which cites 17 unnamed
> Israeli intelligence sources to claim that Iran is producing nuclear
> suitcase bombs and that Israel must engage in a "nuclear showdown"
> with Iran or risk committing national suicide, if you look at what
> he's written, he does have an Armageddon-based agenda. And so I think
> what this lobby does, it plays an instrumental PR role on behalf of
> the Christian Zionist movement in preventing legitimate criticism of
> their motives for supporting Israel, and they are bolstering what
> AIPAC is doing and possibly even radicalizing what AIPAC is doing, by
> providing them a grassroots base in the heartland.
>
> The majority of America's 60 million evangelicals are premillenial
> dispensationalists. They believe that the end times could come at any
> moment, and they're looking for signs of that, so they're sympathetic
> to supporting Israel for these reasons. And so they provide a strong
> grassroots base. This is the Republican base. This is the only
> component of the Republican base that still supports Bush's policies
> in Iraq without question, unconditionally, and supports Israel's
> expansionism. While the American Jewish community is willing to, you
> know, stand for Israel and show solidarity for Israel, they also
> support a peace process, and they support a sovereign Palestinian
> state. But this group doesn't.
>
> You know, for instance, Pat Robertson went on the 700 Club and said
> that Ariel Sharon's descent into a comatose state was punishment for
> dividing the land for the Gaza withdrawal, for pulling 9,000 extremist
> settlers out of a huge swath of land. And, you know, then last week,
> Pat Robertson was flown to Israel to pray with Ehud Olmert and go on
> the 700 Club and tell his viewership that the Lebanese civilians, the
> Lebanese society was harboring terrorists, and therefore, civilian
> casualties were justified. So they play a PR role on behalf of the
> extremist wing of Israeli political culture. They're very connected to
> people like Benjamin Netanyahu, who's positioning himself to succeed
> Ehud Olmert in the wake of Olmert's possibly imminent resignation. So
> I think there's a real danger here...... Well, we know in the past
> that Karl Rove and people in Karl Rove's shop, like Tim Goeglein and
> Elliott Abrams, who's in the State Department, who's traveling, you
> know, to Israel with Condoleezza Rice, have met with Christian Zionist
> groups, so this is not an anomaly. But this group has a much larger
> voice than any of the other groups that have met with the Bush
> administration, and they claim--David Brog claimed to me that their
> principal achievement has been keeping a ceasefire off the table for
> the past month. So, their principal achievement has been essentially
> giving Israel a free hand and the IDF a free hand to kind of, you
> know, ramp up the war, and I think this has had catastrophic
> consequences for the Middle East and the peace process.
>
> I'm not discounting the influence of AIPAC. I'm not saying that
> Christians United has anywhere near the influence of AIPAC, but in a
> Republican-dominated Washington, Christians United represents where
> the Republican base is at, and that's why you have Sam Brownback going
> to their banquet. That's why Ken Mehlman, the head of the RNC, spoke
> at their banquet.
>
> SEE COMPLETE PROPAGANA ARTICLE FOR EVANGELICAL FINANCIAL AND US
> MILITARY
> SUPPORT FOR ZIONISM ANDWAR FOR ISRAEL
> IN THE MIDDLE EAST
>
> http://www.democracynow.org/2006/8/15/christians_united_for_israel_ne...
>
> Why all of this Christian support for Israel when Christians believe
> that the Jews killed their Messiah-Jesus Christ?
>
> Could it be because without the Jews and their Old Testament promise
> of a second coming of a Messaih,
> Jesus Christ would have been just another Jew causing
> problems for the Roman invaders and the collaberating Jewish
> leaders.?
>
> Without that promise there could be no
> Christianity.
>
> The Evangelical Christians need the Jews to establish their claims
> about Jesus being the Son-of-G-d. Without the Jewish prediction of a
> "Second Coming", Jesus
> would have been just another Jewish street magician.
>
> Why Evangelicals, like snake oil salesman, Pat "Chazer" Robertson,
> support Israel.
>
> Allegedly:
> Christians support Israel out of a sense of spiritual debt to the
> Jews, noting that the majority of the Bible was written in Hebrew and
> ordained by God to the Jews. It is through this original covenant
> between God and His "chosen people," that gentiles are able to come to
> God. Paul speaks of this spiritual debt and instructs us to assist the
> Jews (Romans 15: 27).
>
> "They were pleased to do this, and indeed they owe it to them; for if
> the Gentiles have come to share in their spiritual
> blessings, they ought also to be of service to them in
> material things."
>
> The REAL reason:
>
> Because the Christians really don't have a choice. We must
> not forget that there would be no Christian religion if it were
> not for the Jews. Remember the Jewish promise of a second
> coming of a messiah? The Christian conservatives believe that Jesus is
> that dude.
>
> Christians MUST quote the Old Testament since that is where the whole
> idea of a Jesus came from in the first place. Remember the promise of
> a messiah?
>
> I have often wondered why the Christians are so willing to approve and
> defend the Zionist colonization of Palestine when, at the same time,
> they complain that the Jews killed their leader? Could it be that, for
> Christianity the Jewish prophesy of the second coming of a messiah is
> necessary for the Christ of the New Testament to be real?
>
> It doesn't matter that the Jews do not accept Jesus as their
> messiah; the Christians are stuck with the second coming tale and the
> rest of the Old Testament with its violence, gardens, sea-splitting
> and the rest of the deal - warts and all.
>
> Christians have been trying for years to eliminate the OT and the
> insane and viscious deeds committed in the Jewish book, but they
> can't. Without the "Promise" of a second coming and their argument
> that Jesus Christ is the promised product itself, they are stuck with
> it.
>
> Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." Christiands confirmed it at
> the Council of Nicea.
>
> The First Council of Nicaea, convoked by the Roman Emperor Constantine
> I in 325, was the first ecumenical conference of bishops of the
> Christian Church.
>
> The purpose of the council (also called a synod) was to resolve
> disagreements in the Church of Alexandria over the nature of Jesus in
> relationship to the Father; in particular, whether Jesus was of the
> same or of similar substance as God the Father. This is where Jesus
> became divine. Until then he was just another unemployed Jew with a
> political message. Just another man.
>
> "Jesus Christ - Just a man just as a painter must needs paint him as a
> man ?We shall tell what we have believed about Jesus of Nazareth, but
> him we shall treat as being what he appeared to be, a man...
>
> "Almost our only resources of information about the personality of
> Jesus are derived from the ?four Gospels, all of which were certainly
> in existence a few decades after his death, and from allusions to his
> life in the letters (epistles) of the early Christian propagandists.
> The first three Gospels, the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, many
> suppose to be derived from some earlier documents; the Gospel of
> St.John has more idiosyncracy and is couloured by theology of a
> strongly Hellenic type. Critics are disposed to regard the Gospel of
> St. Mark as being the most trustworthy account of the personality and
> actual words of Jesus. but all four agree in giving us a picture of a
> very definite personality; they carry the same conviction of reality
> that the early accounts of Buddha do. In spite of miraculous and
> incredible additions, one must be obliged to say, "Here Is a Man. This
> part of the tale could not have been invented."
>
> --- H.G.Wells
> Outline of History
>
> It's all money and politics friends. The Jews need the political
> support of the Evangelical community and its financial support to
> continue their warmongering tactics in
> Palestine and continued American mercenary troops dying in Iraq for
> the defense of Israel in the Arab world and the badly needed oil from
> Iraq.
>
> It's that simple. Jews don't like Christians and Christians
> don't trust the Jews. ( Read the Torah) However, at this time in
> history,the two will pretend to love one another until there is nomore
> Palestine and the US military controls all of the oil fields in the
> Forbidden Zone.of the Planet of the Apes
>
> www.torah.comserves the world-wide Jewish Community with guidance
> and support for learning and living the Jewish Tradition with a
> particular emphasis on being Jewish in a Gentile world
> .
> SEE: Kirkuk to Haifa Pipeline: Reason for the War?
>
> In 2003, Bush invaded Iraq, partly to topple Saddam Hussein, partly to
> revive the pipeline to Haifa
>
> http://zionofascism.wordpress.com/category/netanyahu-watch/
>
> US discusses plan to pump fuel to its regional ally and solve energy
> headache at a stroke Ed Vuillamy in Washington Sunday April 20, 2003
>
> The Observer
> By Steven Scheer
>
> LONDON (Reuters) - Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he
> expected an oil pipeline from Iraq to Israel to be reopened in the
> near future after being closed when Israel became a state in 1948.
>
> "It won't be long when you will see Iraqi oil flowing to Haifa," the
> port city in northern Israel, Netanyahu told a group of British
> investors, declining to give a timetable.
>
> "It is just a matter of time until the pipeline is reconstituted and
> Iraqi oil will flow to the Mediterranean."
>
> Netanyahu later told Reuters the government was in the early stages of
> looking into the possibility of reopening the pipeline, which during
> the British Mandate sent oil from Mosul to Haifa via Jordan.
>
> Shalom:
> "It's not a pipe-dream," Netanyahu said.
>
> Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to
> Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential
> future government figures in Baghdad.The plan envisages the
> reconstruction of an old pipeline, inactive since the end of the
> British mandate in Palestine in 1948, when the flow from Iraq's
> northern oilfields to Palestine was re-directed to Syria.
>
> Sunday, November 4, 2007
> Iraqi invasion: oil perspective
>
> The British built the Kirkuk-to-Haifa pipeline in 1927. In 1934, they
> completed a 12-inch pipeline from the Kirkuk fields to Al-Haditha on
> the Euphrates River. At that point the pipeline forked. One branch
> went through Syria to Tripoli (Lebanon). The other went across Jordan
> to Haifa. The British built refineries at both Tripoli and Haifa to
> handle this Iraq oil. (In World War II, Germany wanted to get control
> of this oil.)
>
> In 1945 the British added a parallel 16-inch pipeline in Syria.
>
> When Jews started to invade Palestine in 1945, Syria shut down its
> branch to Tripoli. Iraq shut down all oil from from Kirkuk to Haifa.
> At that point, most of northern Iraq's oil went to the Turkish port
> city of Gihan, which was OK with the US, since Turkey was a US ally
> against the USSR. Turkey collect transit fees for this oil.
>
> In 1947 the British oil refinery at Haifa still handled trickle of oil
> from miscellaneous areas, and still employed some 1,700 Arab workers,
> plus 360 Jewish employees. The Arab and Jewish workers formed a union
> to oppose British tyranny. Then Israel was created. Immediately Irgun
> (commanded by Menachem Begin), the Hagana and other terrorist groups
> moved in. Irgun had bombed the King David Hotel the year before, and
> they started massacring Arabs in Haifa and elsewhere.
>
> In 1952, western oil companies built two new lines through Syria to
> Tripoli. The pipeline to Haifa was allowed to decay. Pieces of it were
> dismantled. Various interests used the pieces to build water
> pipelines.
>
> In 2003, Bush invaded Iraq, partly to topple Saddam Hussein, partly to
> revive the pipeline to Haifa (Kirkuk oil fields were said to contain
> perhaps 40% of Iraq's oil), and partly to bring oil deals to his
> personal friends, such as Ray L. Hunt. Small American oil companies
> like Hunt Oil will extract Kurdish oil as soon as and if Mosul and
> Kirkuk are broken off from Iraq (17 November 2007). Mosul is the first
> stop for Kirkuk oil.
>
> When the Haifa pipeline opens back up, only Jordan (not Israel) will
> collect hefty transit fees. Kurdish oil will go to Europe via Israel,
> not Turkey. This might be a reason why Turkey is threatening to
> invade. The minute Bush invaded Iraq, the Turkish realized that the
> pipeline to Haifa would be opened back up. Therefore Turkey tried to
> make deals with Central Asian states (such as Azerbaijan) to get new
> pipelines to Turkey, but now Iran and Russia have foiled Turkish plans
> by forming the new alliance of Caspian Sea states. Turkey feels
> squeezed. This is yet another reason why they are threatening to
> invade northern Iraq.
>
> Shortly after the 2003 invasion, Benyamin Netanyahu (the then Israeli
> finance minister) boasted, "Soon you will see Iraqi oil flowing to
> Haifa. It is just a matter of time until the pipeline is
> reconstituted, and Iraqi oil will flow to the Mediterranean. It's not
> a pipe dream."
>
> Under a 1975 Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) the US guaranteed all
> Israel's oil needs in the event of a crisis. This MoU is quietly
> renewed every five years. It commits US taxpayers to maintain a
> strategic US reserve for Israel, equivalent to $3 billion in 2002
> dollars. Special legislation was enacted to exempt Israel from
> restrictions on oil exports from the US. Moreover, the US government
> agreed to divert oil from the US, even in case of oil shortages in the
> US. The US government also guaranteed delivery of oil in US tankers if
> commercial shippers become unable or unwilling to carry oil from the
> US to Israel.
>
> SEE
> Israel-United States Memorandum of Understanding
> (September 1, 1975)
>
> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/mou1975.html
>
> Israel can wrench lot of oil from the region if the pipeline were used
> again and Kurds were willing to sell the oil. It would also make Kurds
> dependent on Israelis for oil revenues and thus give a greater
> leverage to Israelis over Kurds of the region...
>
> We are All Jews Now
> Aidel gepotchket - Delicately brought up
>
> Consider the present crisis in America and the rise of anti-
> Americanism worldwide. "The US has become a Jewish state in more ways
> than one. It has the same security checks, the same holocaust museums,
> the same poverty for many and riches for a few as Israel
>
> http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles4/Jones_Palestine.htm
>
> Azoy gait es! - That's how it goes!
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Rapture Ready: The Christians United for Israel Tour
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