Re: GIANT TRUCK SMASHES INTO PYLON, AND EXPLODES CAUSING FLIMSY HIGHWAY TO COLLAPSE (Droolers clai

Wow, that's amazing. I can't even get an insurance agent to look at my car

for several days; but within minutes of the huge tanker truck crashing into

the a support pylon and exploding violently, unidentified "experts"

<snicker> have given us a definitive structural engineering assessment of

the precise collapse modes (with technical jargon borrowed straight out the

thoroughly discredited NIST report on the WTC demolitions). That's amazing!

<chortle>

When do the real engineers get to have a look at it? Or don't you squealing

children believe in real engineers and real forensics? Naw - that would

mean discussing real facts, and boring stuff like that. It's better to just

parrot what MSM feeds you and then giggle about it like idiot children.

So did it crumble, or did it melt? And how does concrete melt, exactly?

ROFL! Keep on drinkin' the koolaid. We'll do the serious work.

"Attila the Hungry" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:Kd7Zh.429$YW4.304@trndny06...

> In San Francisco yesterday, a Gas truck crashed, burned and caused an

> overpass to bend and collapse. Here is the print story. Links to pictures

> are below. PASS THIS AROUND

>

> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/04/29/BAGVOPHQU46.DTL

>

> SFGate

>

> (04-29) 12:51 PDT -- A huge ball of fire from an exploding gasoline

> tanker melted steel and caused an overpass in the MacArthur Maze near the

> East Bay end of the Bay Bridge to collapse onto the roadway below early

> Sunday, virtually ensuring major traffic problems for weeks to come.

>

> The intense heat crumbled the elevated roadway that carried eastbound

> traffic from the Bay Bridge onto Interstates 580 and 980 and state Highway

> 24. The broken concrete fell like a blanket over the connector roadway

> from southbound I-80 to I-880, where the single-vehicle crash occurred.

>

> The tanker, loaded with 8,600 gallons of unleaded gasoline, was heading

> from a refinery in Benicia to a gas station on Hegenberger Road, in

> Oakland, shortly before 4 a.m. when it crashed.

>

> Engineers not connected to the incident said the steel underbelly of the

> I-580 overpass seems to have heated to a sufficient temperature to bend --

> and that movement pulled the

> roadbed off its supports.

>

> "It was so much engulfed in flames, it was hard to see the freeway

> itself," Rodriguez told KCBS radio. "It was scary because, you know, it's

> metal and cement... You could see the freeway drooping. It looked like

> plastic melted. It was unbelievable. It was bent and finally it just fell

> and we saw it hit the ground."

>

>

> A similar fire happened in 1989. See FIRE CLOSES I-78, FORCES DETOURS at

> this URL; http://www.nycroads.com/roads/I-78_NJ/

>

> FIRE CLOSES I-78, FORCES DETOURS: In the early morning hours

> of August 7, 1989, a multiple-alarm fire at an illegal garbage

> dump underneath I-78 near Newark Airport caused heavy damage to

> the freeway overpass. The source of the fire was a mound of

> trash 25 feet tall and hundreds of yards long consisting of

> scrap wood, plastics and paper. The heat of the fire buckled

> the ten-inch concrete surface and melted steel support beams,

> and the resulting weight shifts from the highway (which had

> sagged nearly a foot)

>

> Here are the pics from SF

>

> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/mn_highway_collapse_wxs101.jpg

>

> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse_155.jpg

>

> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse_180.jpg

>

> Notice distinct sag on beam running from 10 to 4 o'clock

> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse_201.jpg

>

> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse028_la.jpg

>

> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse039_la.jpg

>

> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/mn_highway_collapse_caoak101.jpg

>

> More bent steel in upper RH corner

> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/mn_highway_collapse_cabm101.jpg

>

> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse085la.jpg

>

> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse089la.jpg

>

>

>

>

"What Me Worry?" <__@____.___> wrote in message

news:pNudnSEls42SMajbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@insightbb.com...

> Wow, that's amazing. I can't even get an insurance agent to look at my

> car for several days; but within minutes of the huge tanker truck crashing

> into the a support pylon and exploding violently, unidentified "experts"

> <snicker> have given us a definitive structural engineering assessment of

> the precise collapse modes (with technical jargon borrowed straight out

> the thoroughly discredited NIST report on the WTC demolitions). That's

> amazing! <chortle>

>

> When do the real engineers get to have a look at it? Or don't you

> squealing children believe in real engineers and real forensics? Naw -

> that would mean discussing real facts, and boring stuff like that. It's

> better to just parrot what MSM feeds you and then giggle about it like

> idiot children.

>

> So did it crumble, or did it melt? And how does concrete melt, exactly?

>

> ROFL! Keep on drinkin' the koolaid. We'll do the serious work.

You wouldn't know serious engineering if it bit you in the ass.

Same thing happened near me. Good old boy from up in NE TN left a local

tank farm hauling a 5,000 gallon tank full of gasoline. To get onto the

interstate, he has to take a long, curving entrance ramp that makes a

270-degree turn under another ramp. He was going too fast, truck turned

over, burst into flame. Nothing was left of the truck except the axles.

Roadway above him was destroyed by the fire -- the intense heat caused the

concrete to "pop" and steel rebar to flex, droop, and lose all its strength.

>

> "Attila the Hungry" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message

> news:Kd7Zh.429$YW4.304@trndny06...

>> In San Francisco yesterday, a Gas truck crashed, burned and caused an

>> overpass to bend and collapse. Here is the print story. Links to

>> pictures are below. PASS THIS AROUND

>>

>> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/04/29/BAGVOPHQU46.DTL

>>

>> SFGate

>>

>> (04-29) 12:51 PDT -- A huge ball of fire from an exploding gasoline

>> tanker melted steel and caused an overpass in the MacArthur Maze near the

>> East Bay end of the Bay Bridge to collapse onto the roadway below early

>> Sunday, virtually ensuring major traffic problems for weeks to come.

>>

>> The intense heat crumbled the elevated roadway that carried eastbound

>> traffic from the Bay Bridge onto Interstates 580 and 980 and state

>> Highway 24. The broken concrete fell like a blanket over the connector

>> roadway from southbound I-80 to I-880, where the single-vehicle crash

>> occurred.

>>

>> The tanker, loaded with 8,600 gallons of unleaded gasoline, was heading

>> from a refinery in Benicia to a gas station on Hegenberger Road, in

>> Oakland, shortly before 4 a.m. when it crashed.

>>

>> Engineers not connected to the incident said the steel underbelly of the

>> I-580 overpass seems to have heated to a sufficient temperature to

>> bend -- and that movement pulled the

>> roadbed off its supports.

>>

>> "It was so much engulfed in flames, it was hard to see the freeway

>> itself," Rodriguez told KCBS radio. "It was scary because, you know, it's

>> metal and cement... You could see the freeway drooping. It looked like

>> plastic melted. It was unbelievable. It was bent and finally it just fell

>> and we saw it hit the ground."

>>

>>

>> A similar fire happened in 1989. See FIRE CLOSES I-78, FORCES DETOURS at

>> this URL; http://www.nycroads.com/roads/I-78_NJ/

>>

>> FIRE CLOSES I-78, FORCES DETOURS: In the early morning hours

>> of August 7, 1989, a multiple-alarm fire at an illegal garbage

>> dump underneath I-78 near Newark Airport caused heavy damage to

>> the freeway overpass. The source of the fire was a mound of

>> trash 25 feet tall and hundreds of yards long consisting of

>> scrap wood, plastics and paper. The heat of the fire buckled

>> the ten-inch concrete surface and melted steel support beams,

>> and the resulting weight shifts from the highway (which had

>> sagged nearly a foot)

>>

>> Here are the pics from SF

>>

>> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/mn_highway_collapse_wxs101.jpg

>>

>> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse_155.jpg

>>

>> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse_180.jpg

>>

>> Notice distinct sag on beam running from 10 to 4 o'clock

>> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse_201.jpg

>>

>> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse028_la.jpg

>>

>> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse039_la.jpg

>>

>> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/mn_highway_collapse_caoak101.jpg

>>

>> More bent steel in upper RH corner

>> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/mn_highway_collapse_cabm101.jpg

>>

>> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse085la.jpg

>>

>> http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse089la.jpg

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

On Apr 30, 5:53 am, "Joe S." <non...@nosuch.net> wrote:

> "What Me Worry?" <__@____.___> wrote in messagenews:pNudnSEls42SMajbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@insightbb.com...

>

>

>

>

>

> > Wow, that's amazing. I can't even get an insurance agent to look at my

> > car for several days; but within minutes of the huge tanker truck crashing

> > into the a support pylon and exploding violently, unidentified "experts"

> > <snicker> have given us a definitive structural engineering assessment of

> > the precise collapse modes (with technical jargon borrowed straight out

> > the thoroughly discredited NIST report on the WTC demolitions). That's

> > amazing! <chortle>

>

> > When do the real engineers get to have a look at it? Or don't you

> > squealing children believe in real engineers and real forensics? Naw -

> > that would mean discussing real facts, and boring stuff like that. It's

> > better to just parrot what MSM feeds you and then giggle about it like

> > idiot children.

>

> > So did it crumble, or did it melt? And how does concrete melt, exactly?

>

> > ROFL! Keep on drinkin' the koolaid. We'll do the serious work.

>

> You wouldn't know serious engineering if it bit you in the ass.

>

> Same thing happened near me. Good old boy from up in NE TN left a local

> tank farm hauling a 5,000 gallon tank full of gasoline. To get onto the

> interstate, he has to take a long, curving entrance ramp that makes a

> 270-degree turn under another ramp. He was going too fast, truck turned

> over, burst into flame. Nothing was left of the truck except the axles.

> Roadway above him was destroyed by the fire -- the intense heat caused the

> concrete to "pop" and steel rebar to flex, droop, and lose all its strength.

>

>

>

>

>

> > "Attila the Hungry" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message

> >news:Kd7Zh.429$YW4.304@trndny06...

> >> In San Francisco yesterday, a Gas truck crashed, burned and caused an

> >> overpass to bend and collapse. Here is the print story. Links to

> >> pictures are below. PASS THIS AROUND

>

> >>http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/04/29...

>

> >> SFGate

>

> >> (04-29) 12:51 PDT -- A huge ball of fire from an exploding gasoline

> >> tanker melted steel and caused an overpass in the MacArthur Maze near the

> >> East Bay end of the Bay Bridge to collapse onto the roadway below early

> >> Sunday, virtually ensuring major traffic problems for weeks to come.

>

> >> The intense heat crumbled the elevated roadway that carried eastbound

> >> traffic from the Bay Bridge onto Interstates 580 and 980 and state

> >> Highway 24. The broken concrete fell like a blanket over the connector

> >> roadway from southbound I-80 to I-880, where the single-vehicle crash

> >> occurred.

>

> >> The tanker, loaded with 8,600 gallons of unleaded gasoline, was heading

> >> from a refinery in Benicia to a gas station on Hegenberger Road, in

> >> Oakland, shortly before 4 a.m. when it crashed.

>

> >> Engineers not connected to the incident said the steel underbelly of the

> >> I-580 overpass seems to have heated to a sufficient temperature to

> >> bend -- and that movement pulled the

> >> roadbed off its supports.

>

> >> "It was so much engulfed in flames, it was hard to see the freeway

> >> itself," Rodriguez told KCBS radio. "It was scary because, you know, it's

> >> metal and cement... You could see the freeway drooping. It looked like

> >> plastic melted. It was unbelievable. It was bent and finally it just fell

> >> and we saw it hit the ground."

>

> >> A similar fire happened in 1989. See FIRE CLOSES I-78, FORCES DETOURS at

> >> this URL; http://www.nycroads.com/roads/I-78_NJ/

>

> >> FIRE CLOSES I-78, FORCES DETOURS: In the early morning hours

> >> of August 7, 1989, a multiple-alarm fire at an illegal garbage

> >> dump underneath I-78 near Newark Airport caused heavy damage to

> >> the freeway overpass. The source of the fire was a mound of

> >> trash 25 feet tall and hundreds of yards long consisting of

> >> scrap wood, plastics and paper. The heat of the fire buckled

> >> the ten-inch concrete surface and melted steel support beams,

> >> and the resulting weight shifts from the highway (which had

> >> sagged nearly a foot)

>

> >> Here are the pics from SF

>

> >>http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/mn_highway_collapse_wxs101.jpg

>

> >>http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse_155.jpg

>

> >>http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse_180.jpg

>

> >> Notice distinct sag on beam running from 10 to 4 o'clock

> >>http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse_201.jpg

>

> >>http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse028_la.jpg

>

> >>http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse039_la.jpg

>

> >>http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/mn_highway_collapse_caoak101.jpg

>

> >> More bent steel in upper RH corner

> >>http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/mn_highway_collapse_cabm101.jpg

>

> >>http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse085la.jpg

>

> >>http://sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/04/30/ba_freewaycollapse089la.jpg- Hide quoted text -

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i don't think it causes the re bar to melt but it does weaken the

concrete for sure .

"What Me Worry?" <__@____.___> wrote in message

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> Wow, that's amazing. I can't even get an insurance agent to look at my

> car for several days; but within minutes of the huge tanker truck crashing

> into the a support pylon and exploding violently, unidentified "experts"

> <snicker> have given us a definitive structural engineering assessment of

> the precise collapse modes (with technical jargon borrowed straight out

> the thoroughly discredited NIST report on the WTC demolitions). That's

> amazing! <chortle>

>

> When do the real engineers get to have a look at it? Or don't you

> squealing children believe in real engineers and real forensics? Naw -

> that would mean discussing real facts, and boring stuff like that. It's

> better to just parrot what MSM feeds you and then giggle about it like

> idiot children.

>

> So did it crumble, or did it melt? And how does concrete melt, exactly?

>

Look, here's what really happened: Wile E Coyote planted some dynamite on

the bridge and blew it up with an Acme detonator just as the Roadrunner was

crossing. Roadrunner got across safely, but the gas truck got blown up.

Happens all the time....Wile just can't get his explosions timed right....

"Joe S." <noname@nosuch.net> wrote in message

news:f14ecu02ot@news2.newsguy.com...

>

>>

> You wouldn't know serious engineering if it bit you in the ass.

>

> Same thing happened near me. Good old boy from up in NE TN left a local

> tank farm hauling a 5,000 gallon tank full of gasoline. To get onto the

> interstate, he has to take a long, curving entrance ramp that makes a

> 270-degree turn under another ramp. He was going too fast, truck turned

> over, burst into flame. Nothing was left of the truck except the axles.

> Roadway above him was destroyed by the fire -- the intense heat caused the

> concrete to "pop" and steel rebar to flex, droop, and lose all its

> strength.

>

Same thing happened here in the Tampa Bay area. TWICE! Once in Tampa a

couple of years ago. And a few months ago in St. Pete. Each time, a tanker

overturned and burned the overpass above it. Each time the steel softened

and collapsed the overpass. These WTC conspiracy nuts don't get it do they?

"What Me Worry?" <__@____.___> wrote in message

news:pNudnSEls42SMajbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@insightbb.com...

> Wow, that's amazing. I can't even get an insurance agent to look at my

> car for several days; but within minutes of the huge tanker truck crashing

> into the a support pylon and exploding violently, unidentified "experts"

> <snicker> have given us a definitive structural engineering assessment of

> the precise collapse modes (with technical jargon borrowed straight out

> the thoroughly discredited NIST report on the WTC demolitions). That's

> amazing! <chortle>

>

> When do the real engineers get to have a look at it? Or don't you

> squealing children believe in real engineers and real forensics? Naw -

> that would mean discussing real facts, and boring stuff like that. It's

> better to just parrot what MSM feeds you and then giggle about it like

> idiot children.

>

> So did it crumble, or did it melt? And how does concrete melt, exactly?

==========================

The Steel beams that hold the Concrete road surface failed, you fucking

pile of Cunt cheese.

"mike532" <mike532@alltel.net> wrote in message

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>

> i don't think it causes the re bar to melt but it does weaken the

> concrete for sure .

>======================================

The concrete flat surface is held up with multiple Steel I beams . They

are visible twisted and distorted in these pictures.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070430/D8OQN9G00.html

"Billary/2008" <F#%K_Liberals@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in message

news:zSpZh.2602$zE.2368@trnddc03...

>

> "Joe S." <noname@nosuch.net> wrote in message

> news:f14ecu02ot@news2.newsguy.com...

>>

>>>

>> You wouldn't know serious engineering if it bit you in the ass.

>>

>> Same thing happened near me. Good old boy from up in NE TN left a local

>> tank farm hauling a 5,000 gallon tank full of gasoline. To get onto the

>> interstate, he has to take a long, curving entrance ramp that makes a

>> 270-degree turn under another ramp. He was going too fast, truck turned

>> over, burst into flame. Nothing was left of the truck except the axles.

>> Roadway above him was destroyed by the fire -- the intense heat caused

>> the concrete to "pop" and steel rebar to flex, droop, and lose all its

>> strength.

>>

>

> Same thing happened here in the Tampa Bay area. TWICE! Once in Tampa a

> couple of years ago. And a few months ago in St. Pete. Each time, a

> tanker overturned and burned the overpass above it. Each time the steel

> softened and collapsed the overpass. These WTC conspiracy nuts don't get

> it do they?

=================

They cant help it. Their VD infesteations has sprea to what used to be theri

brains.

> The concrete flat surface is held up with multiple Steel I beams . They

> are visible twisted and distorted in these pictures.http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070430/D8OQN9G00.html

1) The fuel in those trucks was not Jet-A. Jet-A is designed to not

burn when exposed to the atmosphere.

2) Buildings are not made of asphault materials

3) For the bridge: Only a small section fell, and even then it is only

bent. It is not completely collapsed, like WTC.

To compare the bridge to WTC is ignorance beyond belief. If what you

say is true, the entire span of the bridge should've collapsed

completely from a much lesser fire.

The logic of shills is no logic at all..

http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/3/

And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all

records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and

became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls

the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the

past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever

was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite

simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over

your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak,

'doublethink'.

<o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message

news:1177957079.285531.87290@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>> The concrete flat surface is held up with multiple Steel I beams . They

>> are visible twisted and distorted in these

>> pictures.http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070430/D8OQN9G00.html

>

>

> 1) The fuel in those trucks was not Jet-A. Jet-A is designed to not

> burn when exposed to the atmosphere.

>

> 2) Buildings are not made of asphault materials

>

> 3) For the bridge: Only a small section fell, and even then it is only

> bent. It is not completely collapsed, like WTC.

>

> To compare the bridge to WTC is ignorance beyond belief. If what you

> say is true, the entire span of the bridge should've collapsed

> completely from a much lesser fire.

>

> The logic of shills is no logic at all..

>

>

>

> http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/3/

>

> And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all

> records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and

> became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls

> the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the

> past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever

> was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite

> simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over

> your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak,

> 'doublethink'.

>

You really are a fucking moron. I knew it as soon as you said that jet-A

dosent burn in Air.

See ya you fucking idiot.

> You really are a fucking moron. I knew it as soon as you said that jet-A

> dosent burn in Air.

>

> See ya you fucking idiot.

[chuckle]

It never changes. Ignorant shills have no facts; so they resort to

name-calling.

People wonder how Hitler did it. Well.. wonder no longer. Some just

would rather believe lies than face the truth.

> You really are a fucking moron. I knew it as soon as you said that jet-A

> dosent burn in Air.

I know facts don't matter to you.. But for someone who might be

impressionable with your factiods..

Jet-A: "Maximum burning temperature:, 980

<o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message

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"Jet-A is designed to not

burn when exposed to the atmosphere."

You fucking twit. You said that Jet-A was designed to NOT burn in Air.

That's a bold faced LIE. And factually INCORRECT. You and the other WTC

conspiracy nuts are nothing but a bunch of fucking loons. You'll go to your

grave mumbling and foaming at the mouth, something about how "Bush did it".

Billary/2008 wrote:

> <o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message

> news:1177959188.686040.169130@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>

> "Jet-A is designed to not

> burn when exposed to the atmosphere."

>

>

> You fucking twit. You said that Jet-A was designed to NOT burn in

> Air. That's a bold faced LIE. And factually INCORRECT. You and the

> other WTC conspiracy nuts are nothing but a bunch of fucking loons. You'll

> go to your grave mumbling and foaming at the mouth, something

> about how "Bush did it".

If bush,jr was involved it would have been much worse!

> "Jet-A is designed to not

> burn when exposed to the atmosphere."

>

> You fucking twit. You said that Jet-A was designed to NOT burn in Air.

> That's a bold faced LIE. And factually INCORRECT. You and the other WTC

> conspiracy nuts are nothing but a bunch of fucking loons. You'll go to your

> grave mumbling and foaming at the mouth, something about how "Bush did it".

[laughter]

Once again, your "facts" are non-facts (factoids).

[http://www.google.com/search?q=jet-a+burn+additive]

[http://www.google.com/search?q=jet-a+fire+safety]

<o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message

news:1177958377.441516.16270@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>> You really are a fucking moron. I knew it as soon as you said that jet-A

>> dosent burn in Air.

>>

>> See ya you fucking idiot.

>

>

> [chuckle]

>

> It never changes. Ignorant shills have no facts; so they resort to

> name-calling.

>

> People wonder how Hitler did it. Well.. wonder no longer. Some just

> would rather believe lies than face the truth.

Exactly correct. Social engineering via propaganda is established science.

The response of populations to propaganda is well understood, and has been

honed to a fine degree of precision. There's nothing mystical or magical

about it. A certain percentage of people will always believe what the

authorities tell them, no matter how insane (especially if it is couched in

fear and hatred). All you have to do is marginalize and discredit the

dissenters, call them "traitors" and question their patriotism, and

everything goes your way.

Hermann Goering said it best:

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in

England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all,

IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a

simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a

fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or

no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.

That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and

denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to

danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

<o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message

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>> The concrete flat surface is held up with multiple Steel I beams . They

>> are visible twisted and distorted in these

>> pictures.http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070430/D8OQN9G00.html

>

>

> 1) The fuel in those trucks was not Jet-A. Jet-A is designed to not

> burn when exposed to the atmosphere.

> ================

ROFLMAO ! Tell that to the 500 Dead 747 crash victims at Tenerife in 1977

..What cracker jack Box did you get your Petrolium Engineering degree from?

http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-tenerife-lg-2-numpage-6.html

A tank truck carrying 13,000 gallons of jet fuel rolled over and ignited on

the Richardson Highway in August 2001

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dec.state.ak.us/spar/images/fire_response.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dec.state.ak.us/spar/preparedness.htm&h=695&w=1024&sz=147&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=K1fYswCEr1lfOM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djet%2Bfuel%2Bfire%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DSUNA,SUNA:2005-50,SUNA:en%26sa%3DG

<o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message

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>> You really are a fucking moron. I knew it as soon as you said that jet-A

>> dosent burn in Air.

>>

>> See ya you fucking idiot.

>

>

> [chuckle]

>

> It never changes. Ignorant shills have no facts; so they resort to

> name-calling.

>=================

Please Cite for us where it says that Jet A does not burn in the

Atmospehre. The 500 Dead 747 Crash victims in Tenerife have proof you are a

fucking moron.

http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-tenerife-lg-2-numpage-6.html

A tank truck carrying 13,000 gallons of jet fuel rolled over and ignited on

the Richardson Highway in August 2001

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dec.state.ak.us/spar/images/fire_response.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dec.state.ak.us/spar/preparedness.htm&h=695&w=1024&sz=147&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=K1fYswCEr1lfOM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djet%2Bfuel%2Bfire%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DSUNA,SUNA:2005-50,SUNA:en%26sa%3DG

<o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message

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> You really are a fucking moron. I knew it as soon as you said that jet-A

> dosent burn in Air.

I know facts don't matter to you.. But for someone who might be

impressionable with your factiods..

Jet-A: "Maximum burning temperature:, 980

<o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message

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>> "Jet-A is designed to not

>> burn when exposed to the atmosphere."

>>

>> You fucking twit. You said that Jet-A was designed to NOT burn in Air.

>> That's a bold faced LIE. And factually INCORRECT. You and the other WTC

>> conspiracy nuts are nothing but a bunch of fucking loons. You'll go to

>> your

>> grave mumbling and foaming at the mouth, something about how "Bush did

>> it".

>

> [laughter]

>

> Once again, i made an ass of myself.

> http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-tenerife-lg-2-numpage-6.html

A tank truck carrying 13,000 gallons of jet fuel rolled over and ignited on

the Richardson Highway in August 2001

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dec.state.ak.us/spar/images/fire_response.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dec.state.ak.us/spar/preparedness.htm&h=695&w=1024&sz=147&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=K1fYswCEr1lfOM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djet%2Bfuel%2Bfire%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DSUNA,SUNA:2005-50,SUNA:en%26sa%3DG

"Billary/2008" <F#%K_Liberals@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in message

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>

> <o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message

> news:1177959188.686040.169130@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

>

> "Jet-A is designed to not

> burn when exposed to the atmosphere."

>

>

> You fucking twit. You said that Jet-A was designed to NOT burn in Air.

> That's a bold faced LIE. And factually INCORRECT. You and the other WTC

> conspiracy nuts are nothing but a bunch of fucking loons. You'll go to

> your grave mumbling and foaming at the mouth, something about how "Bush

> did it".

>

>

>==============================

These INbred Liberals have had tehri VD infestations finall attack what few

brain cells they had left.

Notince teh imbecile cant exlain why the 500 passengers died at Tenerife

in 1977 when those 2 747's collided on the runway and exploded in a ball of

fire , if Jet fuel was not burnable in the air.Or this Highway tanker

crash in Alaska either

http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-tenerife-lg-2-numpage-6.html

A tank truck carrying 13,000 gallons of jet fuel rolled over and ignited on

the Richardson Highway in August 2001

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dec.state.ak.us/spar/images/fire_response.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dec.state.ak.us/spar/preparedness.htm&h=695&w=1024&sz=147&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=K1fYswCEr1lfOM:&tbnh=102&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djet%2Bfuel%2Bfire%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DSUNA,SUNA:2005-50,SUNA:en%26sa%3DG

> ROFLMAO ! Tell that to the 500 Dead 747 crash victims at Tenerife in 1977

> .What cracker jack Box did you get your Petrolium Engineering degree from?http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-tenerife-lg-2-numpage-6.html

Once again, apples and oranges.. I mean, really... 1977.. are you

kidding? Is this a joke?

Are you really comparing the 1977 jet fuel standards to today's Jet-A

standards? It's really hard to tell when you guys are being sarcastic

and not.

> A tank truck carrying 13,000 gallons of jet fuel rolled over and ignited on

> the Richardson Highway in August 2001

> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dec.state.ak.us/spa...

Yeah great light show.. so what? I don't see any steel melting. And

for 13k gallons, it's not much of a show!

<o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message

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>> ROFLMAO ! Tell that to the 500 Dead 747 crash victims at Tenerife in 1977

>> .What cracker jack Box did you get your Petrolium Engineering degree

>> from?http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-tenerife-lg-2-numpage-6.html

>

> Once again, apples and oranges.. I mean, really... 1977.. are you

> kidding? Is this a joke?

>

> Are you really comparing the 1977 jet fuel standards to today's Jet-A

> standards?

========================

What Jet a standards of Today . Cite for us where it wont burn in teh Air.

Heres a picture of the Concorde fire before the crash and after.

You are the most stupile pile of maggot brained INbred to ever drag your

knuckles on the earth.

http://www.concordesst.com/accident/pictures/a1.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40629000/jpg/_40629715_ap_concordefire203.jpg

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2000/07/27/concorde5x256.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.guardian.co.uk/galleryguide/0,,347655,00.html&h=197&w=256&sz=29&hl=en&start=15&um=1&tbnid=i7w1S65gbZ9-CM:&tbnh=85&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dconcorde%2Bcrash%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DSUNA,SUNA:2005-50,SUNA:en%26sa%3DN