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On Nov 24, 2:17 pm, "John H. Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 12:51?pm, "Bill Clinton '08" <Gerogiew...@WH.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> > Pope makes new cardinals, calls for end to Iraq war
>
> > One of the new cardinals is Emmanuel III Delly, the Baghdad-based
> > Patriarch
> > of Babylon of the Chaldeans, and the Pope used the solemn occasion,
> > known as
> > a consistory, to express his concern for Iraq.
>
> > The Chaldeans are Iraq's biggest Christian group and the Chaldean rite
> > is
> > one of the most ancient of the Catholic Church.
> > Many Iraqi Chaldeans have emigrated since the war started. The Vatican
> > has
> > expressed concern before that one of the countries with the oldest
> > Christian
> > traditions could be depleted of its faithful as many leave to escape the
> > violence.
>
> > "Let us together reaffirm the solidarity of the whole Church with the
> > Christians of that beloved land and invoke from the merciful God the
> > coming
> > of longed-for reconciliation and peace for all the peoples involved (in
> > the
> > conflict)," he said in his homily.
>
> >http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnL24611814.html
>
> > Looks like no republicans are getting into Heaven.
>
> If he were sincere, he wouldn't have, as he still does, support the
> neo-cons who are responsible for the wars in the Middle East. It's as
> much of a religious conflict as it is one to pirate the resources of
> others. Ethnic cleansing, and the Judaeo/Christian efforts, towards
> that end, must bring great joy to his heart, in spite of his claims.- Hide
> quoted text -
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It's time for another crucade to the land of the infidels. Another
children's crucade would be fitting at this time.
Time for another Christian Children's Crusade????
Where is our modern day Stephen of Cloyes now that we need him?
Since the adult Republican Christian Crusade to the Middle East is
not
going well, is it time to send the Evangelical children to the Holy
Land to
hopefully destroy the infidel Muslims, assure the Zionist Jews that
they will
forever be the rightful owners of any Arab lands that they desire, and
finally
take Jerusalem back for the Western Christians? Remember how the
previous Children's Crusade, in 1212, seemed to put some Christian
belief back into crusading. Can it happen again?
The Children's Crusade is one of the more unusual events in Medieval
England.
The Children's Crusade took place after the Fourth Crusade. By the
end
of the Fourth Crusade (1202 to 1204), it was clear that the Christian
crusaders had gained no long term success. In fact, the Fourth Crusade
had been a disaster for the Christians as many crusaders had not even
got to the Holy Land let alone fight for Jerusalem and many Christians
had used the crusade as a means to plunder valuable goods from
abroad. The Children's Crusade seemed to put some Christian belief
back into crusading.
The Children's Crusade of 1212
Two groups appeared in 1212 which seemed to indicate that the beliefs
of the First Crusade were still alive.
In 1212, two groups - one from France, the other from Germany - set
off
on a crusade to the Holy Land. There was nothing unusual about this as
many 'armies' had gathered before to fight the Muslims. The major
difference about these two groups was that they were composed entirely
of young children. These children became convinced that they would be
protected by God and that because of this protection they would get to
the Holy Land and take Jerusalem for the Christians.
Not a great deal is known about the Children's Crusade other than it
was a disaster. The person who seemed to be in charge was a boy
called
Stephen of Cloyes. We know very little about him. We know that he was
a shepherd and that in 1212 he was 12 years of age. With a peasant's
background, he would not have been able to read or write and at his
age he would have done very basic work around a farm. Old McCloyes
Place, it was known as.
Surely, somewhere in the Bible Belt of the United States there is a
young Evangelical Christian lad that will take up his Bible and his
cross and
be willing to lead another group of faithful young warriors for Christ
to
the Holy Land for a final solution (excuse the expression) for
Christianity.and the Republican Evangelical political cause.
In May 1212, it is said that Stephen turned up at the court of King
Philip of France and told him that he had a LETTER FROM CHRIST
ordering him to organize a crusade. Not surprisingly, King Philip was
not impressed by the 12 year old and told him to go away and come back
when he was older!!
Do you suspect that George Bush would have dismissed Stephen. Not
hardly. George would have called Jerrry Falwell or Pat Robertson to
inquire if they had heard from God and if HE really had given the
letter to the young man. Then, since GW talks to God himself, he (not
Dan Rather) could have checked on the validity of the document
directly.
Regardless of this rejection, Stephen went around preaching to
children
about his letter from Jesus and his desire to go to the Holy Land to
capture
Jerusalem. He told his followers that crossing the Mediterranean or
any
other waterways was easy as the waters would part and they would walk
across as they were protected by God. By June 1212, Stephen is said to
have gathered 30,000 followers around him - all children. "Leave no
child
behind" was Stephen's wish.
As they marched south through France, they clearly had no idea of
what
to expect. Adults cheered them along the route. "GO Kids GO" It was
as if
their innocence shone through and made their success a certainty.
The Roman Catholic Church was not so sure. Even the gay priests
decided
not to accompany the children despite the temptation. The Children's
Crusade was never officially a crusade as it was never blessed by the
pope. However, this did not deter the children. The Church could not
bless a 'crusade' that was doomed to failure but the Church also did
not stop it. Why ? It is possible that the Church believed that the
actions of the children might shame kings and emperors into getting a
proper crusade going to capture Jerusalem.
The Children's Crusade was doomed to failure. Many of the children
had
never walked such distances before and for many the effort proved too
much. The journey from Vendome to Marseilles caused many children to
drop out. Some even died of exhaustion. The sea did not part as
Stephen had said and they had to cross the Mediterranean Sea by boat.
"Row ,row your boat" they sang as they navigated the Mediterranean.
The children boarded seven boats in Marseilles and that was the last
anything was heard of the boys in the boats - not to be confused with
the man in the boat.
However many years later a priest returned from traveling around
northern Africa and he claimed to have met some of the surviving
children (now adults-damn it). He claimed that two of the seven ships
had sunk
killing all on board and that pirates had captured the other five
ships and the
children were sold into slavery. White skinned children were
considered to be a valuable prize in Algerian and Egyptian slave
markets.
There is no proof that any of this is true as none of the children
who
left Marseilles ever returned. As a priest, it is unlikely that he
would
have knowingly told a lie as Catholic priests never lie and would
have
believed that God is omnipresent (everywhere) and omnipotent (all
powerful). Therefore if he told a lie, God would know and he would
have been condemned to Texas. However, he may have been told incorrect
information and told this story in good faith not knowing if it was
incorrect. As historians, we just do not know.
A German Children's Crusade also took place in 1212. This was lead by
a
boy called Nicholas and he had 20,000 followers. His dream was exactly
the same as Stephen's - take Jerusalem for Christianity. This crusade
also
included religious men and unmarried women so it was not fully a
Children's
Crusade. Their journey south from Germany to Italy included a very
dangerous crossing of the Alps and many died of the cold here. Those
that survived pushed onto to Rome in Italy.
Here, they met the pope. "Yeah, they yelled, where can we get one of
those pope hats?." He praised their bravery but told them that they
were too young to take on such a venture. With this, they returned to
Germany but a great many of them did not survive the journey back. A
few stopped off at the Italian port of Pisa, bought some pizza and
boarded a ship for the Holy Land. No-one knows what happened to them.
Therefore both crusades can be seen as a disaster but they are also
an
indication of how important Jerusalem was to Christians.
SEE:
The Children - The Children's Crusade of 1212. ... events in
Medieval
England.
The Children's Crusade took place after the Fourth Crusade.
....
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/children's_crusade.htm
The Children's Crusades (1212) - Steven Runciman's excellent
description of the Children's Crusade of the early 13th Century. ...
http://www.historyguide.org/ancient/children.html
I knew of this history before but thanks for reminding us that George Bush
is living in the Dark Ages.
news:9762afbe-331e-4d40-96cb-7427d3369ccc@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 24, 2:17 pm, "John H. Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 12:51?pm, "Bill Clinton '08" <Gerogiew...@WH.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Pope makes new cardinals, calls for end to Iraq war
>
> > One of the new cardinals is Emmanuel III Delly, the Baghdad-based
> > Patriarch
> > of Babylon of the Chaldeans, and the Pope used the solemn occasion,
> > known as
> > a consistory, to express his concern for Iraq.
>
> > The Chaldeans are Iraq's biggest Christian group and the Chaldean rite
> > is
> > one of the most ancient of the Catholic Church.
> > Many Iraqi Chaldeans have emigrated since the war started. The Vatican
> > has
> > expressed concern before that one of the countries with the oldest
> > Christian
> > traditions could be depleted of its faithful as many leave to escape the
> > violence.
>
> > "Let us together reaffirm the solidarity of the whole Church with the
> > Christians of that beloved land and invoke from the merciful God the
> > coming
> > of longed-for reconciliation and peace for all the peoples involved (in
> > the
> > conflict)," he said in his homily.
>
> >http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnL24611814.html
>
> > Looks like no republicans are getting into Heaven.
>
> If he were sincere, he wouldn't have, as he still does, support the
> neo-cons who are responsible for the wars in the Middle East. It's as
> much of a religious conflict as it is one to pirate the resources of
> others. Ethnic cleansing, and the Judaeo/Christian efforts, towards
> that end, must bring great joy to his heart, in spite of his claims.- Hide
> quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
It's time for another crucade to the land of the infidels. Another
children's crucade would be fitting at this time.
Time for another Christian Children's Crusade????
Where is our modern day Stephen of Cloyes now that we need him?
Since the adult Republican Christian Crusade to the Middle East is
not
going well, is it time to send the Evangelical children to the Holy
Land to
hopefully destroy the infidel Muslims, assure the Zionist Jews that
they will
forever be the rightful owners of any Arab lands that they desire, and
finally
take Jerusalem back for the Western Christians? Remember how the
previous Children's Crusade, in 1212, seemed to put some Christian
belief back into crusading. Can it happen again?
The Children's Crusade is one of the more unusual events in Medieval
England.
The Children's Crusade took place after the Fourth Crusade. By the
end
of the Fourth Crusade (1202 to 1204), it was clear that the Christian
crusaders had gained no long term success. In fact, the Fourth Crusade
had been a disaster for the Christians as many crusaders had not even
got to the Holy Land let alone fight for Jerusalem and many Christians
had used the crusade as a means to plunder valuable goods from
abroad. The Children's Crusade seemed to put some Christian belief
back into crusading.
The Children's Crusade of 1212
Two groups appeared in 1212 which seemed to indicate that the beliefs
of the First Crusade were still alive.
In 1212, two groups - one from France, the other from Germany - set
off
on a crusade to the Holy Land. There was nothing unusual about this as
many 'armies' had gathered before to fight the Muslims. The major
difference about these two groups was that they were composed entirely
of young children. These children became convinced that they would be
protected by God and that because of this protection they would get to
the Holy Land and take Jerusalem for the Christians.
Not a great deal is known about the Children's Crusade other than it
was a disaster. The person who seemed to be in charge was a boy
called
Stephen of Cloyes. We know very little about him. We know that he was
a shepherd and that in 1212 he was 12 years of age. With a peasant's
background, he would not have been able to read or write and at his
age he would have done very basic work around a farm. Old McCloyes
Place, it was known as.
Surely, somewhere in the Bible Belt of the United States there is a
young Evangelical Christian lad that will take up his Bible and his
cross and
be willing to lead another group of faithful young warriors for Christ
to
the Holy Land for a final solution (excuse the expression) for
Christianity.and the Republican Evangelical political cause.
In May 1212, it is said that Stephen turned up at the court of King
Philip of France and told him that he had a LETTER FROM CHRIST
ordering him to organize a crusade. Not surprisingly, King Philip was
not impressed by the 12 year old and told him to go away and come back
when he was older!!
Do you suspect that George Bush would have dismissed Stephen. Not
hardly. George would have called Jerrry Falwell or Pat Robertson to
inquire if they had heard from God and if HE really had given the
letter to the young man. Then, since GW talks to God himself, he (not
Dan Rather) could have checked on the validity of the document
directly.
Regardless of this rejection, Stephen went around preaching to
children
about his letter from Jesus and his desire to go to the Holy Land to
capture
Jerusalem. He told his followers that crossing the Mediterranean or
any
other waterways was easy as the waters would part and they would walk
across as they were protected by God. By June 1212, Stephen is said to
have gathered 30,000 followers around him - all children. "Leave no
child
behind" was Stephen's wish.
As they marched south through France, they clearly had no idea of
what
to expect. Adults cheered them along the route. "GO Kids GO" It was
as if
their innocence shone through and made their success a certainty.
The Roman Catholic Church was not so sure. Even the gay priests
decided
not to accompany the children despite the temptation. The Children's
Crusade was never officially a crusade as it was never blessed by the
pope. However, this did not deter the children. The Church could not
bless a 'crusade' that was doomed to failure but the Church also did
not stop it. Why ? It is possible that the Church believed that the
actions of the children might shame kings and emperors into getting a
proper crusade going to capture Jerusalem.
The Children's Crusade was doomed to failure. Many of the children
had
never walked such distances before and for many the effort proved too
much. The journey from Vendome to Marseilles caused many children to
drop out. Some even died of exhaustion. The sea did not part as
Stephen had said and they had to cross the Mediterranean Sea by boat.
"Row ,row your boat" they sang as they navigated the Mediterranean.
The children boarded seven boats in Marseilles and that was the last
anything was heard of the boys in the boats - not to be confused with
the man in the boat.
However many years later a priest returned from traveling around
northern Africa and he claimed to have met some of the surviving
children (now adults-damn it). He claimed that two of the seven ships
had sunk
killing all on board and that pirates had captured the other five
ships and the
children were sold into slavery. White skinned children were
considered to be a valuable prize in Algerian and Egyptian slave
markets.
There is no proof that any of this is true as none of the children
who
left Marseilles ever returned. As a priest, it is unlikely that he
would
have knowingly told a lie as Catholic priests never lie and would
have
believed that God is omnipresent (everywhere) and omnipotent (all
powerful). Therefore if he told a lie, God would know and he would
have been condemned to Texas. However, he may have been told incorrect
information and told this story in good faith not knowing if it was
incorrect. As historians, we just do not know.
A German Children's Crusade also took place in 1212. This was lead by
a
boy called Nicholas and he had 20,000 followers. His dream was exactly
the same as Stephen's - take Jerusalem for Christianity. This crusade
also
included religious men and unmarried women so it was not fully a
Children's
Crusade. Their journey south from Germany to Italy included a very
dangerous crossing of the Alps and many died of the cold here. Those
that survived pushed onto to Rome in Italy.
Here, they met the pope. "Yeah, they yelled, where can we get one of
those pope hats?." He praised their bravery but told them that they
were too young to take on such a venture. With this, they returned to
Germany but a great many of them did not survive the journey back. A
few stopped off at the Italian port of Pisa, bought some pizza and
boarded a ship for the Holy Land. No-one knows what happened to them.
Therefore both crusades can be seen as a disaster but they are also
an
indication of how important Jerusalem was to Christians.
SEE:
The Children - The Children's Crusade of 1212. ... events in
Medieval
England.
The Children's Crusade took place after the Fourth Crusade.
....
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/children's_crusade.htm
The Children's Crusades (1212) - Steven Runciman's excellent
description of the Children's Crusade of the early 13th Century. ...
http://www.historyguide.org/ancient/children.html
I knew of this history before but thanks for reminding us that George Bush
is living in the Dark Ages.