Guest William Flax Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 One of the most outrageous aspects of this whole push, largely behind closed doors, is the apparent determination to rush this through without a full debate on all aspects of the immigration question. For a better understanding of the issues that are not being addressed, consider what is involved in any immigration policy determination: http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/migrate.htm. To understand how confused the President is on the issue: http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/bush1.htm. Americans who care about the future need to step up, as never before, and let the politicians know that they want a fuller look at where we are going; that the time for trusting politicians with our heritage is over. William Flax "Cindy C. Kinley" <cindy66@msn.com> wrote in message news:4671fe8d.97080406@news.easynews.com... > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070615/ap_on_go_co/bush_immigration > > Senators vow to revive AMNESTY bill > By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent > WASHINGTON - Senate leaders vowed Thursday night to revive stalled > immigration legislation as soon as next week, capping a furious rescue > attempt led by President Bush. > > The decision, announced by Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, > voting record) of Nevada and his Republican counterpart, Sen. Mitch > McConnell (news, bio, voting record) of Kentucky, envisions a final > vote on the complex bill before lawmakers begin their Fourth of July > vacation. > > The legislation has generated intense controversy, particularly for > provisions that could lead to eventual citizenship for many of the > estimated 12 million immigrants now in the country unlawfully. The > bill also calls for greater border security and a crackdown on the > hiring of illegal employees. > > Critics of the measure succeeded in sidetracking it last week, and > given their continued opposition, the decision to bring it back for > more debate does not necessarily portend passage. > > Reid and McConnell announced their plans in a brief, two sentence > statement that capped days of private negotiations by key senators as > well as Bush's personal involvement. > > "We met this evening with several of the senators involved in the > immigration bill negotiations," they said. Based on that discussion, > the immigration bill will return to the Senate floor after completion > of an unrelated energy measure now undergoing debate. > > At the White House, spokesman Scott Stanzel said, "We are encouraged > by the announcement from Senate leaders that comprehensive immigration > reform will be brought back up for consideration." > > Two days ago, Bush made a rare visit to the Capitol for a meeting with > Republican senators, where he urged them to give the bill a second > chance. Earlier on Thursday, responding to a request from pivotal GOP > senators, he threw his support behind a plan for $4.4 billion in > immediate funding for "securing our borders and enforcing our laws at > the work site." > > Precise details of the rescue plan were not immediately disclosed. > > In general, according to officials familiar with the discussions, > Republicans and Democrats will each have 10-12 opportunities to amend > the measure, with the hope that they would then combine to provide the > 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster by die-hard opponents. > > Officials said the Bush-backed plan for accelerated funding would be > among the changes to be voted on. So, too, a proposal by Sen. Kay > Bailey Hutchison (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas, to toughen a > requirement for illegal immigrants to return to their home country > before gaining legal status. > > But in a gauge of the complexity of the rescue effort, officials said > the Senate's decision last week to terminate a temporary worker > program after five years would likely not be subject to change before > a vote on final passage. Many of the bill's strongest supporters > opposed the five-year provision when it came to a vote last week. > > Also to be protected from immediate change is a requirement to give > enforcement agencies access to information that immigrants provide on > their applications for legal status. > > The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying the negotiations > had been conducted in private. > > "We're going to show the American people that the promises in this > bill will be kept," Bush said, two days after launching a personal > rescue mission. > > Any agreement was ultimately subject to approval by Reid, who has said > repeatedly it was up to Bush and Republicans to line up the votes > needed to advance the measure if it was to be brought back to the > Senate for debate. Reid, who has expressed misgivings about elements > of the bill, sidetracked it last week after supporters gained only 45 > of the 60 votes needed. > > Republicans accounted for only seven of the 45 votes, and Reid said > earlier this week, "We'll move on to immigration when they have their > own act together." > > Bush's decision to personally announce support for the accelerated > funding reflected concerns expressed by Republican senators at a > closed-door meeting on Tuesday. Several told him their constituents > doubted the government was capable of following through on a > commitment to enforce immigration laws. > > In a letter sent to Bush before the meeting, Georgia Republican Sens. > Saxby Chambliss (news, bio, voting record) and Johnny Isakson (news, > bio, voting record) wrote, "This lack of trust is rooted in the > mistakes made in 1986, and the continued chaos surrounding our > immigration laws. Understandably, the lack of credibility the federal > government has on this issue gives merit to the skepticism of many > about future immigration reform." > > Under the legislation as drafted, money for border enforcement would > be collected gradually as illegal immigrants pay the fines and fees > needed to achieve legal status. The letter asked Bush to secure the > border before other elements of the immigration measure go into > effect, and the president agreed in his remarks to the Associated > Builders and Contractors. > > "One common concern is whether the government will provide the > resources to meet the goals in the bill. They say, `It's fine to talk > about it, are you actually going to do something?'" he said. > > "To answer these concerns I support an amendment that will provide > $4.4 billion in immediate additional funding for securing our borders > and enforcing our laws at the work site," he said. > > "By matching our benchmarks with these critical funds, we're going to > show the American people that the promises in this bill will be kept." > > > Two Republican supporters of the legislation, Sens. Lindsey Graham > (news, bio, voting record) of South Carolina and Jon Kyl (news, bio, > voting record) of Arizona, had previously proposed advanced funding. > > "The moment the presidential signing pen meets the paper these funds > will be available," Graham said in a statement welcoming Bush's > remarks. > > But Sen. Jim DeMint (news, bio, voting record), R-S.C., who opposes > the legislation, took a different view. "I appreciate the effort to > fund border security, but there's simply no reason why we should be > forced to tie amnesty to it." > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blazing Laser Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:05:57 -0400, "William Flax" <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote: >One of the most outrageous aspects of this whole push, largely behind closed >doors, is the apparent determination to rush this through without a full >debate on all aspects of the immigration question. Debate no longer serves a purpose in our legislature. I imagine most congresscritters don't even come to work for discussion any more, only to vote. Whichever side of the bread is buttered, that's how they vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AnAmericanCitizen Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:27:54 -0700, Blazing Laser wrote: >On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:05:57 -0400, "William Flax" ><krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote: > >>One of the most outrageous aspects of this whole push, largely behind closed >>doors, is the apparent determination to rush this through without a full >>debate on all aspects of the immigration question. > >Debate no longer serves a purpose in our legislature. I imagine most >congresscritters don't even come to work for discussion any more, only >to vote. Whichever side of the bread is buttered, that's how they >vote. > The latest poll shows 80% of the American public against the bill. Doesn't seem to mean a thing to these people who are saying, "damn the people, full steam ahead." If we all stick together, we can give them a big shock in November 2008.....AAC In what other country would citizens be treated to the spectacle of the president and the Senate focusing on the desires of 12 million to 20 million people who had crossed the nation's borders illegally, committed document fraud, and in many cases identity theft, overstayed their visas and demanded, not asked, full forgiveness for their trespasses?....Lou Dobbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darn CWs Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 In article <vmnci.4039$bP5.103@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>, "William Flax" <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote: > One of the most outrageous aspects of this whole push, largely behind closed > doors, is the apparent determination to rush this through without a full > debate on all aspects of the immigration question. For a better > understanding of the issues that are not being addressed, consider what is > involved in any immigration policy determination: > > http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/migrate.htm. Ok, why dont you summarize this for us > > To understand how confused the President is on the issue: > > http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/bush1.htm. Again, give us a quote > Americans who care about the future need to step up, as never before, and > let the politicians know that they want a fuller look at where we are going; > that the time for trusting politicians with our heritage is over. -- RECALL SCIENTOLOGIST CULTIST SHERIFF LEE "Caca" BACA for ParisGate!! Ever Notice How Paris Hilton and Ronald Mcdonald ARE NEVER IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER?? <GASP!!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Trucker Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:40:37 -0700, Darn CWs wrote: > In article <vmnci.4039$bP5.103@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>, "William Flax" > <krtq73aa@prodigy.net> wrote: > >> One of the most outrageous aspects of this whole push, largely behind closed >> doors, is the apparent determination to rush this through without a full >> debate on all aspects of the immigration question. For a better >> understanding of the issues that are not being addressed, consider what is >> involved in any immigration policy determination: >> >> http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/migrate.htm. > > > > Ok, why dont you summarize this for us Allow me: It is conservative chest beating at its finest. Some truths spattered among a lot of self serving righteous proclamations. >> >> To understand how confused the President is on the issue: >> >> http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/bush1.htm. > > > Again, give us a quote This one is the same thing. > >> Americans who care about the future need to step up, as never before, and >> let the politicians know that they want a fuller look at where we are going; >> that the time for trusting politicians with our heritage is over. Here is the real question: Are the vast majority of Americans harmed or helped by the immigration bill as a whole. That is, to me, the actual question. Whether the flag waves more patriotically or the church of rightarded Jasus worship is threatened or blessed is, to me, totally irrelevant. IMHO the current bill is a total assault on all productive Americans. The "amnesty" part of the bill is not the problem. It is the "Guest Worker" part that is the problem. But the rightards are always very adept at causing everyone a lot of pain and anguish in the interest of their version of "righteousness". -- "I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education." - Thomas Jefferson http://GreaterVoice.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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