Guest sdr@sdrodrian.com Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 On Jan 23, 3:34 pm, Uncle Al <Uncle...@hate.spam.net> wrote: > s...@sdrodrian.com wrote: >> ... you will NOT find a definite explanation >> of what gravity actually "is" ANYWHERE in >> the annals of conventional science because > Annalen der Physik 4 XLIX 769-822 (1916) > Was that so hard? Idiot. Dear Idiot, I wrote... "the annals of conventional science" not those of "science fiction." [by the way, had you read my article, you'd seen that I discuss many of the fallacies in early 20th Century physics.] You know, if instead of merely throwing rocks you'd actually address whatever it is you object to (other than people's pretty donkeys), you wouldn't come off as so reprehensibly puerile. Never the less, here's a hint which may cover your generalized "objection" = If your "science" can explain how/why Superman flies, what you have there is NOT "science" ... it's "science-fiction." Why, when there is a perfectly reasonable and straightforward solution, anyone would still insist on adhering to explanations which are not only needlessly complex (hopelessly convoluted) but also dependant on mathematical "reality" rather than on actual Reality is beyond all reason/logic. Here's a further hint: "If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and there is a chinaman chasing it with a cleaver ... there is no need to explain that bird in terms of it being the product of "complimentary pairs of virtual particles" & such --It's a duck." Live with it. Go & suck one. S D Rodrian http://poems.sdrodrian.com http://physics.sdrodrian.com http://mp3s.sdrodrian.com All religions are local. Only science is universal. RE: rolfguthm...@uol.com.br (Rolf Guthmann) wrote: > New law of gravitation? > Power LawGravity? > What is gravity? > What is its cause or source? > Many minds have attempted to solve this ancient puzzle, > but no one has yet been fully successful. Yes, you will NOT find a definite explanation of what gravity actually "is" ANYWHERE in the annals of conventional science because up until Mr. S D Rodrian pointed out how it is that the universe really works NO ONE could have possibly even imagined how gravity works, nor what the devil gravity really "is." [Newton merely wrote out a formal set of rules covering how gravity appears to be working --up/down-- "why inertia (mass)" was a complete & utter mystery to Newton. And Einstein merely expanded this same exercise of "drawing up the rules on how gravity appears to act" into a more useful, and therefore more accurate, formal geometrical language... neither one of which explain anything whatever about gravity.] All this "dancing around the answer people were really after" was because since the beginning of time observers had believed that "masses" were "somehow" attracting each other (and therefore that "eventually" some sort of "graviton"would be discovered [today's infamous quest for mythic "gravity waves" and a "magical particle" which imparts "inertia/mass" to all the other particles]... futile quests, of course, because gravity is NOT the result of "masses" attracting each other but is in fact merely/solely/only "the way in which the universe is moving." As fully explained in the following text from http://physics.sdrodrian.com All anyone needs is a grasp of Newton's original laws of motion to understand, once and for all, why mass/why inertia exists at all. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with any "magical" particle: Gravity As Thermodynamics: The Explanation For The Universe. / S D Rodrian There is a fear among thinkers too clever for their own good that perhaps none of them may prove to be sufficiently smart to understand the universe. Yet, unsuspected by them, it is not that they are not smart enough to understand the universe but that they are too smart... and instead of seeking to understand they instead apply their nervous creativity to dreaming up overly-clever (and ultimately purely imaginative) illusions--an accomplishment which may be the glory of literary fiction, but is forever the bane of science. The purpose of science is to explain the inevitability of the process--nothing more, nothing less, nothing else: And not merely/only to seek/to find that inevitability but to explain it (in effect, to usefully demonstrate it). And any endeavor which does not do this is only pastime, merely an entertainment, a private diversion... but certainly not science. Now: It is no great novelty to suggest a relationship between gravity and thermodynamics nowadays [as with the thermodynamics analogy of a lightning bolt's "path of least resistance" later on in my text]. But, to my knowledge, this is the first ever comprehensive explanation of the universe in terms of the inevitability of thermodynamics--or, why and exactly how it is that "gravity" (the "flow" of energy) is the inevitable (and therefore perfectly natural) phenomenon it is in the universe. Since I am not here going to give merely one more description of the visible universe but am actually going to show the causes behind its observed effects, there will be no resorting here either to supernatural interpretations (uninformed guessing and other leaps of faith) or to the "usual" mathematical obfuscations (the mere reduction of manifest observations to exacting measurements) behind which the absence of actual basic knowledge has habitually been veiled. There are no mysteries in nature, there is only the mystified. The first problem to be solved is the prohibition against the creation/destruction of "energy," as embodied in the question of what could have "been there" before there was a universe of visible matter. And the preferred tool for accomplishing this is the one which allows us to inquire into levels of existence outside our physical reach: Namely, an abiding conviction that the laws of physics apply across ALL levels of existence and not merely at some of them while not at others [including the statistical research of probability & quantum theory]. But, motion without matter...? Our brains evolved to "believe" that only "concretely material" or "solid" objects have existence. Yet our prejudiced sanction of "matter" alone as the only "solid material" that "exists" is in conflict with what the universe keeps telling us "really exists" (or, has real "permanent" existence). For, insist as we may (to the universe) that "matter" is "what exists," the universe always insists to us that "what really exists" (in fact, "the only thing which really exists") is "momentary" matter's truly "permanent" constituent: "energy." ["Matter" can be taken apart, but not so "energy."] Moreover, now we know that the "solidness" of matter is an "illusion" created by interactions between the electro-magnetic, the weak, and the strong "nuclear forces." WE: If it's not "matter" it doesn't exist. THE UNIVERSE: The "reality" of matter is no different than the reality of all those "forms" you "recognize" sketched in the passing clouds by the power of your own imagination alone: Just as those "cloud forms" are in no way fundamental (insoluble & indivisible) and the least breeze tears them to shreds (into some other "forms")... none of which has any relevance to the question of the continuing existence of clouds, so too ALL "the forms of matter" are but "fortuitous forms" (so-called "gravitational systems") which can also be torn to shreds (into other just as "fortuitous forms") without this having any bearing whatsoever on the question of the continuing existence of "energy" (or, the "clouds" from which the "forms of matter" are made). And this holds true even if the forms are imposed on you by the universe rather than your imagination imposing them on the universe. This has been the one hurdle that has kept previous theorists from following the line of inquiry we are taking here: Just as it was only after mankind finally accepted the fact that the earth moved (and was not the fixed center around which orbited the rest of the universe) that mankind was finally able to achieve the greater perspective we've enjoyed since... so too, it is only when we finally give up the human prejudice that "the forms of matter are absolute" (that they are the fundamental, immutable & indivisible objects with whose destruction "existence" itself ceases to be--or that there are even such things), that it then becomes possible for us to achieve the next great perspective. This notion that there exist "immutable and indivisible objects with whose destruction existence itself ceases to be" is an ancient human superstition which should have been dropped once it was clear that the Greek proposal for just such an indivisible particulate (the "atom") was no longer tenable. Yet to this day we're still drowning in quite unforgivable proposals for exactly such indivisible "particulates" (or "strings" now). However, had Einstein (at the moment when he was mulling why it might be that, given the existence of gravity, the universe had not collapsed into a pile of "fundamental matter")... had Einstein been able to consider that such a "collapse" (implosion) would not produce anything other than the "forms of matter" always continuing to adjust to the implosion of the universe in some relativistic natural process [whereby "larger and slower" forms forever continue to evolve (or, "conserve" themselves, their angular momentum) into "smaller/ faster" ones], perhaps modern physics might have been spared the last hundred years' nonsensical excursions into the theatre of the absurd (with its "time-travel" and "alternate dimensions" science fiction scripts). And then the unexpected discovery of Hubble's Constant (that the galaxies are receding from each other at an everywhere uniform rate depending on their distances) could have been understood for what it really is --a clear reflection on the grand scale of that process of "larger/slower forms" evolving "smaller but faster" ones which is necessarily creating distance (or, "space") between themselves. [As well as hinting that there might indeed yet be at least one state "at absolute rest" in the universe... by which (against which) all eternally shifting local effects might be measured.] Energy vs. Matter... or, Something vs. Nothing? Too late for Einstein, we begin here from the specific proposition that there is no fundamental difference between "matter" and the "primordial material" (some may term "scalar mass" or simply "energy") and that they are but merely two levels of the same single process of "matter-organization" (simply many orders of magnitude distant from each other). That ultimately there are only "relative differences" in "densities" (or "energy values"), and certainly not a fundamental shift from "energy" to "matter" as profound as that from "non-existence" to "existence." Existence cannot be created or destroyed (exactly the same as with "energy" since that's exactly what it is). Existence/energy is all there is, all that ever was, and all that there will ever be. And only the laws of thermodynamics convert/conserve/move it from one form/value/concentration to another "equality." Certainly "the primordial state of existence" (the primordial "scalar mass" or "temperature" in the sense of "a given energy value") can never have been an all-or-nothing (absolute) one, but must have instead always been an entirely relativistic "state") because otherwise the outbreak of (to) "existence" requires a "leap" to "something" from "nothing" (in effect: it has to be the result of magic). And this is not only a clear violation of the laws of physics, but consequently not even a proper subject for science. The question of "a mathematical infinity" never comes into what is essentially a choice offered by the laws of physics (whether or not "something" can come out of "nothing")... and not the sort of mathematical game exemplified when, say, a new guest shows up at, "Hilbert's Hotel Infinity" and the clerk claims that all rooms are full--forcing the new guest to explain that if the hotel is "full but infinite" the clerk can simply make the guest in room 1 move into room 2, move the original guest in room 2 into room 3, and the guest in room 3 into room 4, and so on... depriving no guest of a room but vacating room 1 into which any new guest can then move. i.e. The supposed paradox (like all paradoxes) is artificially created when the clerk erroneously claims that "Hilbert's Hotel Infinity" can ever be "full." [There are no paradoxes in nature, only in the mind.] Acknowledging that "the process of existence itself" is one of evolution (or, that "existence has always existed," as it were) eliminates once & for all the strictly human (mental) "paradox" that existence must "originate" with/as some supernatural Big Bang (special creation) miracle. Let us posit instead a "given volume of space" ("the void"), its "absolute" energy value (the absolute density of "its whatever material") being irrelevant because as long as that density is purely/solely "relativistic" there can be no "lowest limit" to how tenuous/sparse it can be and still "exist." And this then is the "spatial volume" or, more properly, the "scalar mass" [traditionally termed "the void"]. From our perspective: about as close to infinitely immense as such a thought is humanly possible; that is... without ever permitting time to bring to an end the process of continuing to imagine its immensity. It quickly becomes clear how unusual (provided such a "volume of space" has ANY "energy value" or "density" at all), how unusual it would be if such an infinitely vast spatial volume could maintain the same identical "density" or "energy value" across the entirety of its unlimited [not to mention: eternally increasing] vastness... regardless how low that energy value or density may be "in absolute terms" which do not apply, remember, because an "absolute" condition of existence demands some absolute lower limit dropping below which "the thing" no longer exists. And, since we exist, it behooves us to assume that the density/energy value of the scalar mass always had to have been "relativistic" and never "all-or-nothing" or "absolute." [Not to mention the fact that to measure anything one must measure it against "something else," and "existence" is all that exists, or obviously "the only thing" that exists.] In an exclusively "relativistic" context then (one in which the "density" of any given "volume of space" is always merely "relatively" higher or lower than those of "other" volumes of space, and NOT "absolutely" EITHER existent OR nonexistent): there will always be "enough" energy (if you will: "a difference" in "pressures" or "temperatures") already present in "even such primordial" a condition to literally "fuel" everything which may "proportionally" evolve from it --because it's in the nature of "energy" as we have come to understand it (and no less in the cosmic relativity of existence we are discussing here), it is in the nature of "energy" to be (to also "hold") purely a thermodynamic "potential" for "work." More aptly: "for motion" ... replacing the term "work" with "motion" since we are certainly not going to speak here of "motion without matter." [Energy being "what matter does." Remember: "existence = energy"] Therefore... "if matter is merely energy, matter is also merely motion" (so that: "there has always been motion" is what we really mean when we say that "existence has always existed"). Again: All "the forms of matter" are merely "larger/slower" forms becoming/evolving/ conserving themselves into "smaller/faster ones." Or, from the diametrically opposite perspective (not an entirely unreasonable one, so we'll be discussing it later)... all the "forms of energy" can be thought of as the (denser) faster/smaller forms of energy conserving themselves into larger/slower (more dispersed) ones. As far as the requirements of "motion" go... the direction of "flow" is irrelevant ("into" will "work" just as well as "out of"). It's a mistake to belive that what's thermodynamically required for "energy" to "perform work" [the term "work" from classical mechanics' "product of force/distance"], that what is thermodynamically required for "energy" to "perform work" is, say, "a boiler-full of heated water" when the sole requirement (for the universe to "work") is that a thermodynamic current "flows" (the sole origin/source of "motion"). Therefore the singular objection to existence is that it not be absolute (or, "all-or-nothing") given that "absolute stillness" has no way of "pushing off" itself, as it were. In the primordial condition of existence, in which one single elementary (homogeneous) principle constitutes the sum total of "everything/the material" from which all subsequent diversity arises (the evolution of more complex forms from simpler ones, or even a single one) existence can only "flow" [note the always inescapable definition of "existence" as "motion"], existence can only "flow" from this clearly singularly relativistic state rather than from being arbitrarily forced by a human superstition to "flow" from some impossible (magical) "boiler" [or "Big Bang" furnace/mixture] of many already complex primordial states (independent settings) clearly violating creation/destruction laws of energy in some impossible all-or-nothing universe. With respect to this principle of evolution: If one considers the present universe just in light of the proposed "string" theories: one can hardly help noticing that the present universe is in many, many ways a very elegantly simple concept compared to the notorious complexity of string theories from which it is supposed to "originate" (from which it "subsequently evolves"). Something which is clearly a logical violation of the principle of evolution. As difficult as it may be to "find" in the primordial "void" a "volume of space" with a density lower than that of the rest of existence, in the first place... that much more difficult is it to even imagine where and how one might possibly (necessarily) "create" a volume with an even higher density, to begin with (or, the infamous Big Bang "boiler" of inflationary models). So the universe (everything that "follows" from "the primordial state") is a lot more likely to begin with the former (or "an evolution" from/of simpler forms) rather than with the latter (some "special creation" Big Bang already complex from its start). And keep in mind that even if one such "Big Bang boiler" could somehow be "produced" (at the "onset of it all")... its destiny surely would be dilution and dissipation, and certainly NOT the concentration and amalgamation which obviously goes into the organization of ever more & more complex forms of matter.] It is irrelevant whether "the void" comes upon a bubble/area ("hollow") of lesser density (the "egg" that incubates our universe of matter) or such a "hollow" comes into being somewhere within "the void" (my own preference because this makes for a balanced/stable universe in which matter and anti-matter regions balance out each other, making it easier to understand why it is that one form predominates in a given "side" of the universe even as the other form may be the most common one in the "opposite" side of the same universe. We will always return to this same point of departure: All that is required for the homogeneous "primordial medium" to (perform) "work" [i.e. for "the void" to produce an already perfect/complete machine] is for "the void" (no matter how unimaginably tenuous and sparse its "density") to come into contact with another volume of space "region" or "hollow" (as we shall term it here) having an even lower density. And, for the purpose of illustrating more easily the "gravitational" evolution of the visible universe, we will "assume" in this text that "our" lesser density "hollow" was more or less completely and entirely (and perhaps even perfectly) encompassed by the greater density "the void." Though common sense rules this out (just as, given their origin, its "discrete bits" could never have been perfectly equidistant from each other). But we will still speak of it this way so we may refer to the universe as having a perfectly spherical shape it can't in fact possibly have. As the primordial medium of the "the void" encounters our "hollow" of lesser density, its greater density "collapses" our lesser density hollow (collapses into it, that is), sending (crucially for the creation of our universe of visible matter at its center), sending a "shockwave" of higher density "material" into our "hollow" from every point around it. [This "shockwave" of inrushing material effectively represents pretty much the sum total of all the "energy" our visible universe is ever destined to have, by the way.] This imploding pressure wave eventually "condensing" into what we call matter somewhere along the way. There still being people who think the earth is "flat" (and many who believe it is the universe that orbits the earth--and perhaps there are always going to be such people): somewhere around here advocates of inflationary models "may be tempted to think" that the cosmic collapse of the void's primordial material (energy) into our lower- density "hollow" may well be describing a rationale for their cherished Big Bang model... as "matter" crashes against a pinpoint quantum center and then erupts/echoes back out like 3-dimensional ripples following the dropping of a pebble into a lake... rescuing the ancient superstition that there can be, after all, some fundamental particle from which everything else is made... never mind the fact that this idea leaves us forever unable to explain how a necessarily mythological fundamental object like "matter" could have possibly come into being (out of non-being) in the first place--and "necessarily mythological" because we can never describe a particulate of matter in our universe we can with any degree of certainly assure ourselves is forever immutable and indivisible (even strings' own theory places them neither altogether in our universe nor altogether outside it). But as antidote to this Big Bang superstition, keep in mind that all the forms of matter will condense for a brief time and then "just as quickly" dematerialize. [it's rather likely that we are at the only point along the shifting phases of matter-organization from beginning to end of our universe where life is possible.] By definition, an indivisible body or object is hardly likely to be made up of two or more bodies or objects... as this would "by definition" make such a body or object, at least theoretically, really already very divisible indeed. Then again, gravity itself would continue to remain the inexplicable (seemingly magical) "force" we've thought it until now--And the purpose of this very text is to explain how gravity is not some magical unfathomable "force" (of attraction or of anything else) but really only the mistaken description of a perfectly inevitable and natural effect which up to now remained impossible to interpret perfectly. What Is The Universe REALLY Doing? The imploding universe is undertaking two crucial motions at the same time: an absolute motion and a relativistic one. We can actually "see" these two motions in action if we but know from where (from which perspective) to look: Imagine the universe to be an earth-size globe. If we then abstract "ourselves" from it, from now on forever remaining unaffected by its shifting sizes, we can "see" both the absolute and the relativistic motions the universe is undertaking by considering two men standing on opposite sides of this imploding/shrinking globe universe. The globe is shrinking in an absolute sense, so in an absolute sense the two men are always moving towards each other. [This absolute motion is very much apparent to us all because it's the effect we have come to know as gravity.] However, because they and everything else in their globe universe is shrinking everywhere at a constant rate... in the normal course of events neither of the two men standing on opposite sides of the globe universe will ever notice that they are moving towards each other absolutely. Instead they will forever marvel how/why they seem to "stick" to the globe as if by magic and not "float" away into space. [And if they happen to be scientists and understand the Standard Model they might assume that gravity must be mediated by gravitons & then they will waste their lives trying to make up a Unified Field Theory encompassing gravity and particle forces. But you can see why the geometry of Einstein relativity describes gravity better than the forces of Newton.] The shrinking of everything at an universally constant rate (so that everything appears to remain relativistically frozen in place/size) is itself the second motion: It is nearly impossible to notice at very close proximities (least of all by two such beings standing across a common lump of matter)... but it can certainly be "seen" when glancing across astronomical distances (and we call this very visible effect the Hubble Constant, which makes it appear as if the galaxies are receding faster from each other the more distant from each other they are). [Although one can substitute "time" for "distance" and "witness" it in practically every object that orbits another body.] To understand this purely relativistic effect (of course in reality all the galaxies necessarily must be "absolutely" getting closer and closer inside an imploding universe)... one has only to consider the nature of space (in other words, all ones has to do is consider it) as the distance between bodies of matter: Where does it come from? How can there be any "spaces" at all in the single ("solid") body which the universe of matter must be from the very first instants of its "massing" in its cosmic hollow? Well, our universe is very large, and the same laws of thermodynamics which inevitably create the "hollow" into which the higher densities of "the voids" flows now literally tear the "solid" universe into "bits." And it is at the level of these bits that the body of the universe continues to implode... so that from here on out every one of these "bits" begins to implode away from all the other bits about it forever FASTER than the single body of the universe itself can "stuff" those opening spaces: At first there is very little "space" between the numberless bits, but given enough time and whatever form the "bits" of the imploding universe eventually take as they evolve & revolve in ever more complex interactions (galaxies in our epoch of the universe)... you can see how the distances between them can grow to unimaginably astronomical distances (into a "lot" of space indeed). At first, the "absolute" (viewed from outside our "cosmic hollow")... the "absolute" motion of this thermodynamic "penetrating shockwave" (flow/current) is undoubtedly always "moving" only in the direction of our cosmic hollow's logical center [a "center" which can probably only be "pinpointed" by quantum theory, since obviously anything introduced into the "hollow" to measure the position of its "absolute center" would necessarily shift it---thereby finally making it clear that the world of the very big(gest, really) behaves exactly like the world of the very smal(lest) except perhaps in small minds]. But now you understand how without a particle interaction between them two objects can establish an "orbital" relationship about a so-called "center of gravity." To say "the world of the very small" is to say "the world of the very near." In a universe undergoing implosion the human perspective stares out both to a much bigger/distant world and to a much smaller/nearer one from somewhere in the middle: The more distant/bigger world always appears to be growing bigger and more distant relativistically; while the smaller/nearer world always appears to be growing ever smaller and nearer in an absolute sense (gravity). This holds true across the full spectrum of possible perspectives (the view from within the universe is also always relativistic, while seen from outside it the universe would appear to be absolutely "shrinking" in isolation). As the observer is also imploding, when he looks at "the world he's leaving behind" it appears to him to be big (and the farther away he looks at it the bigger it appears to always be growing), while when he looks at "the world into which he is moving" it appears to him to be small (and the closer he looks into it the smaller it appears). Counterintuitively, it appears to us as if the world of the very small is a chaotic one (forever shifting its geometric centers), while in reality it is the one behaving in an absolute way: The world of the very big may appear to be stable as it grows bigger and more distant... but in reality it is growing neither bigger nor more distant at all. Three very specific basic "motions" will describe the nature of the universe from the instant "the void" encounters (one of) these cosmic "hollows" of lesser density which "nurse" entire universes of matter at their core. But I do not include one of these three Basic Motions of Matter (the "pressure shock" of the general void's greater density "falling" into our cosmic "hollow" as it is strictly a 3-dimensional motion towards the "center of "our hollow" up until such material fully saturates it). Essentially, all the "falling" primordial material pressurizing itself "solidly" in place. I leave out this "motion" because I don't see it playing any further role in the processes that keep our universe in its continuing present equilibrium. At its point (of "highest saturation") this singular homogeneous "solid" mass (call it a "cloud" or call it a "body" of energy) destined to become our universe of visible matter, now finds it has no place to go from here other than to be (literally forever) squeezed into an always smaller & smaller volume of space (for the very reason that, exactly like every other "thing" that exists... it too is neither fundamentally solid nor immutable and therefore can not refuse to be so squeezed)... effectively causing it to "implode" in an "absolute" sense: forever to grow "smaller & smaller" as it is forced to occupy an ever diminishing volume of space--the originally homogeneous "solid" mass now very much literally tearing itself to bits--that is... into "discrete bits" (each a self-contained system forever "winding itself up" in a lifelong strategy designed by the laws of physics to "conserve" its eternally increasing angular momentum--which must from now on always increase, as said before, as larger-but- slower systems "conserve themselves" into smaller-but- faster ones)... until they all eventually pay the ultimate price of dissolution. (But that's far off in the future at this point.) Nonetheless: note the origin of "space" as merely the "distance" between these primordial discrete bits: A process (of space-creation) which has not stopped to this day; and which at the topmost level of matter- organization (that of stars and galaxies) is "easily" observable by us as the Hubble Constant. But a process which is forever on-going at ALL levels of matter- organization. "A" given level of matter-organization is one which reflects a stage (or state) at which the "local gatherings of interacting "bits" or "clusters of them" (or "gravitational systems") nevertheless begin to behave (or to be thought of) as if they were one single object (giving the impression of having no individual constituent parts within it). We may begin to trace the history of these matter- organization "levels" from a point where the entire mass of the "visible universe" could be thought of as one single homogeneous mass (or "cloud") which has just completely saturated the "center" of the cosmic hollow into which the primordial material of the higher-density "the void" surrounding it has fallen. (And it's not important for us here whether the "saturation" fills the cosmic hollow completely of merely a given area about its center.) The crucial thing is that it is at this point that this once "one" solid body begins to "tear itself apart" (or, more to the point, to "bits"). More specifically still: necessarily into fully discrete "bits" (and "necessary" because it's the simplest way that the resulting sum of all such "bits" [once one solid body, and before that a "shockwave" of primordial material falling from "the void" surrounding our cosmic hollow]... can "squeeze" into the eternally diminishing area available to it as it continues its journey toward the center of our cosmic hollow--And since there is literally nothing in its way towards that "center" against which to crash (to stop its journey) except itself (its own nonexistent refusal to permit itself to be squeezed any further)... that journey is one which can only end in/with the utter dissolution of the falling body ("cloud" or "sum of discrete bits"). Crucially, all of those "fully discrete bits" are tearing themselves away from all the other discrete bits in the cosmic body (creating "space" between themselves) as they "implode." To begin with, once the entire mass (body, cloud) of our universe consists only (or even mostly) of these (same-sized or same-wherever) discrete bits, by definition they will effectively collectively constitute our universe's first ever "perfected" or finished" level of matter-organization (the first generation of matter-organization). Because of the natural chaos which characterizes any active thermodynamic system (since evolution never stands still, in effect): eventually those "individual" discrete bits will begin to "fall" into local interactions (systems of "orbits" and/or crashes) each made up of perhaps only a few discrete bits (in ever continuing interactions) and perhaps each of them made up of many and many handfuls of the "original" first-generation discrete bits... which will, no doubt chaotically at first (until they "fall" into whatever "level of stability" is most "natural" for their "whatever-numbered" interactions) will, after "the chaos of transition" lifts, will then create across most of the cosmos a "second generation" of "gravitational systems" (or "particles") everywhere of a "similar nature/size/structure or number" (perhaps, but) all or most of them interacting in some similarly (in some related) "stable" way. And note that it is always from this (transitional) "chaos" that everything in the universe is built (by/from the interactions this "chaos" sets into motion... producing "orbits" and/or "crashes"). [There is no "chaos" in nature, there is only our inability to understand its laws.] "Chaos" here is only our convenient description of a nevertheless absolutely determinate process in which there can never be any effect without a cause--otherwise "chaos" would remain eternal, forever precluding our very existence.] Now: This "quest for stability" also tends to be characterized by a "scarcity" of free-roaming "component particles" (of the previous generation) as these are everywhere quickly incorporated (as the current generation's "preferred" building blocks (of the forms of matter "now seeking" their own "gravitational stability." SEE Standard Model). Arbitrarily defined as they may be, it is nevertheless "around" a given "perfected" or "finished" level (or levels) of matter-organization that we define "similar forms" interacting 3-dimensionally according to Newton's laws of motion & universal gravitation. [We tend to describe "systems" such as atoms, stars, and galaxies as "objects."] For example: the five or more of these "perfected" or "finished" levels of matter-organization straddled by our own existence (or... that of quarks & gluons, atoms & electrons, stars & planets, and supermassive black holes & the galaxies from which they seem to be evolving at the present moment). Regardless how brief or long their reign, once these similar "systems" of interacting discrete bits achieve their whatever measure of "stability" as "gravitational systems" across the cosmos... they de facto become the next "perfected" or "finished" level of matter-organization. At this point in this narrative we are at the "second generation" level of matter-organization ---where it's now the turn of this generation of "perfected" or "finished" gravitational "systems" to build their own local interactions... as either a few or a great many of these second generation "systems" begin to combine (no doubt chaotically at first, until they too find their whatever "level of stability is most natural for their interactions" and) combine into super-systems... which, once they too manage to achieve cosmos-wide stability, also de facto become the (third generation) "perfected" or "finished" level of matter-organization. And so on, forever, and so on until the ceaseless evolution of generation after generation self- organization of the forms of matter into stable levels reaches our own "finished" (stable) level(s) of matter-organization (those of our atoms, stars, and galaxies). Which is not to say that there might not be just as stable "finished" levels of matter- organization "higher" than ours, of course--And quite entirely unsuspected by us as well. For now, if only to understand the earliest condition of our universe of matter, the important thing here is a realization that fission/fusion "nuclear processes" only take place at our topmost "finished" level(s) of matter-organization (that of the Standard Model "nuclear" particles). At more fundamental levels of matter-organization (than that of our "particles") the "decay of energy" does not produce what we would recognize as "our" heat, light, or any of "our" other familiar processes of atomic (radio)activity. Note: Because it does not explain the inevitability of its "strings" ... string theory only really has one function: to supplant the Standard Model. And since that is an unnecessary function by definition string theory itself is unnecessary. (Gravity is not a force, therefore there is no need for it to be "unified" with the 3 forces.) To continue: if this "hypothesis of eternity" seems to suggest that the overall density of "the void" is constantly being "thinned out" by its incorporation of lower-density regions (like empty "hollows" in some viscous goo) such as the "hollow" of lesser density which produces our own universe of matter at its core (meaning that the bigger "the void" gets, the lower its overall absolute density value falls)... this is because that is exactly what must be occurring. Remember larger/slower "forms of matter" eternally conserving themselves into smaller/faster ones... Well, in this sense: motion in one direction by one part of a body is balanced by another of its parts moving in the opposite direction. [Newton's Third Law.] Essentially this is the process of the greater density "the void" erasing our lesser density "hollow." While matter itself is concentrating into "rock hard" imploding discrete bits (ever tighter, harder, hotter, and charged up)... "the void" is itself dissipating into a general inertia as it "grows" (ever larger, and more tenuous, stiller, colder). The two "different" parts of the same "one body" (system) are pushing out from/to exactly opposite directions at once--and we can think of these two opposite "motions" as really in the same direction (having the same energy-conservation objective). At the end of the process, matter is but motion. So all the "matter" of the visible universe must eventually "slow down" (unwind again) and dissolve. Moreover, just as our hollow of lesser density is very probably "nothing special" in nature, even our own local "the void" is proportionally almost certainly itself also but some likewise pinprick-size "object" no doubt embedded in the fabric of an even "higher" level "the void." Although likely this must remain as hard for us to distinguish, local from general, as it's hard for us now to distinguish "a" part of eternity from the whole of it. And yet, however this line of inquiry may remain closed to us: the implication remains that vast regions of "our" local "the void" may be\are very probably everywhere pockmarked with similar "hollows of lesser density" (each probably destined to give rise at its core to a universe not unlike ours... as they are one by one "collapsed" by the higher density of "the void" encircling them). A thought which, by the way, ought to bestow some measure of respect upon even our humblest virtual particle. And certainly illustrates the very persistent "absolute relativity" of existence at any level... as higher level "the void(s)" balance out ever-thinner-and-thinner absolute densities with ever-greater-and-greater absolute expanses--canceling out everywhere all possible breaches of the law against energy creation/destruction. "Nature abhors a vacuum." The crucial thing is that the absolute energy value (density) of "the void" always remains an eternally irrelevant (purely absolutely relativistic) number: The strictly human question of where/how this "primordial material" arose "to begin with" is therefore made moot by its always relativistic nature. Or: "If in order to exist Existence would have had to have had a beginning--it could not exist. We exist, therefore it behooves us to assume that there never could have been a state of non-existence" (however one may wish to define such terms as being & non-being). What is important for us (strictly a concern for the sentient beings of this one particular universe, that is) is that the primordial medium ("energy") of "the void" has come across the next relatively less dense "hollow" and has given rise here (at the core of this one particular lesser density "hollow") to the "next" universe of visible matter... ours, namely. I know of no requirement that "a" given universe "has to be" of any specific (purely arbitrary) size: Here, in this one "cosmic hollow" at whose core our visible universe resides, it is only necessary that its volume be "large enough" to produce the observed effects (the requirements of other universes can be entirely different, larger or smaller). So we might as well forget about trying to impose any purely arbitrary limits upon the "size" of our universe on that account. And since now we know that there are no "gravitational limitations," about the only thing we may say for sure is that our visible universe is many orders of magnitude larger than what we can "see" of it (or, that the "size ratio" of our "hollow" to that of its "universe of matter" was already hinted at by Einstein's infamous [E=MC^2] approximation). In any case: Into a "large-enough" lower density volume (our "relatively empty" cosmic hollow) "falls" (in quite a "shockwave") a thermodynamic "current" not all that different in essence from that of a lightning bolt: More slowly at first and then faster and faster (an acceleration destined never to end) as it "falls" in a 3-dimensional direction towards the center of our cosmic hollow like some unimaginably rarefied molasses. It is when we can speak of "matter" as "energy" (or "motion") that we can finally define existence as "not either/or" (matter/energy); since obviously anything "flowing" can only be described in terms of "a" higher or "a" lower flow, and never as "not flowing." Even at this our level of matter-organization (so many & many orders of magnitude removed from that of "energy"), this in a very real sense "reduction" of matter to "motion" (i.e. the acceptance of matter as energy) is what makes it possible to think of "matter" in almost exactly the same way that we've popularly come to think of "electric energy" as a "current" or "flow." Thus it is just as possible to speak of matter as only a "thermodynamic" current/flow... whose seemingly permanent "structures" (shaped by the interactions of the EM/weak and strong "nuclear forces") are, every last one them, from top to bottom, really only temporary "eddies" within what is essentially also only a thermodynamic "current" or "flow" and, consequently, never can be fundamental, indivisible (unqueezeable) objects and/or singularities. We mortals, understandably ever in love with just about any ideal of permanence, will undoubtedly be emotionally anguished to have to acknowledge that every last bit of matter (yes, to the very last one) in our universe is destined to "fade away" without the least hope of there surviving even the most forlorn memory of "our having been." But that's the way it is (and, frankly, I think it rather poetic... this "so very human" tragedy): The process I am explaining in this text does describe the eventual "dissipation" of all the universe's "matter" (if matter is but "motion" it must eventually, as it were, "come to a stop"). If this continuing process (this eternal evolution) of matter-organization can be described as "winding up" (larger/slower forms forever "imploding" into smaller/faster ones)... what else can its ultimate consequence be--if not its winding down at last (T.S. Eliot's "whimper"). And what would the end of a universe in which its forms of matter had completely "wound up" to the full extent of their "energy potential" (to do so) be like? Well, we might consider the one factor which is evidently "increasing" even as the other two are "decreasing" in the process described above: The "matter-making machine" (larger/slower forms of matter evolving or "winding up" into smaller/faster ones) "is" of course THE mechanism by which the finite amount of energy (of the original shockwave) which has "fallen" into our cosmic hollow conserves its density (or "energy value") literally into the forms of matter (and their whatever discrete bits). So, conversely, this same process by which "the universe of matter" travels toward the center of the cosmic hollow (its "singular body" imploding like a shrinking baseball in front of our eyes) can also be described as one in which at every step of that journey "a" volume of space is also growing (out of it) from a smaller/denser energy/pressure into a larger/sparser one (or, volume of space) as if the imploding universe of matter were a pressure wave after the passage of which the lower density of "our" hollow of lesser density will be left with a pressure --an energy value-- equal to the rest of "the void" surrounding it... thereby also making our cosmic hollow indistinguishable from/in it: It will be as if our lower density "hollow" had never existed at all: So in a very real sense there is a (thermodynamic) "purpose" to (in) the reason for all that "space" which is continuously being "created" inside matter itself: to finally defeat the instability created by there being such a "lower density" hollow "out there" to being with: It remains axiomatic that all motion takes (uses up) energy. So it is inevitable that "the forms of matter" should literally consume themselves right up (even unto nothingness): It obviously takes energy for the forms of matter to "wind up" into "being" in the first place--and energy/motion is what matter is "made of." Although it may appear that (in its journey towards the center of the cosmic hollow) the higher density "shockwave" that has fallen into our hollow of lesser density (to become the universe of visible matter)... though it may appear that the higher density "shockwave" is racing against distances, the fact is that in reality its "forms of matter" are really racing against time (racing toward their own dissolution) as they "implode" (or "wind themselves up")... literally "shrinking" themselves "right out of existence" with all the irony of the runner in the so-called paradox who, although running a finite length, nevertheless can never finish his run because he keeps switching to running half as fast every time he gets half way to the finish line: Our universe is also "speeding up" even as it "shrinks" (so that, like the runner above, it too finds himself eternally just as far away from its "finish line" as it ever is). Even though very few of us until now have ever even suspected that "we" were either "shrinking" or "speeding up." But this is why only when observed from outside itself (from outside the universe itself) does the universe implode in a "brief" and "finite" length of time right down to "nothingness" (as "timed" by clocks which being outside the universe never vary during the implosion from its "slower" beginning to its "faster" ending). Observed from inside the universe itself (that is: "timed" by clocks which "in here" are forever adjusting as "time" itself is changing, i.e. "speeding up")... the implosion of the universe (like the "run" of the "eternally running" runner) is about as close as something can come to seeming to be eternal without actually being so. As our clocks here inside the universe "speed up" it makes the universe appear to us to be "lasting longer" ("longer lasting"). So that, almost nearly as perversely as is the case with the "eternal runner" of the story above, although the universe may also always be running faster & faster, it is also always growing smaller and smaller... in a quite fiendishly proportional agreement that forever cancels out what would otherwise be an all too obvious ever increasing requirement for more & more energy, for example, just to feed its same unchanging appearance (speed). Absent which "missing energy," the universe would very unambiguously be seen to be "slowing down" ("imploding" more and more slowly with time --or, since for years we've misinterpreted the universe as "expanding," we would have interpreted that misinterpreted "expansion" as slowing down with time). Instead the universe (its misinterpreted expansion only as of very recently now correctly interpreted as "speeding up") will forever be perceived to always be "speeding up" (from our more recently well-informed perspective, as over astronomical distances, the farther away we look the farther back in time we're seeing)... The universe, in reality imploding faster and faster with time (as measured also by the Hubble Constant), will "forever" continue to do so... until the moment of dissolution when matter runs out of matter, and "its forms" can no longer "hold their forms." Note that this is not the same phenomenon of relativistic time-dilation described by Einstein in the "twins paradox" where (clocks inside the universe not being synchronized) the faster any given bit of matter (the twin riding his rocket) "moves" the slower his clock (its inner motions) "runs" and therefore the faster the clocks of the "slower moving" universe (of the twin left behind) will run. This being caused by the disruption which velocity imparts to matter's "inner motions." Until matter's moment of dissolution, as with the "eternal" runner (above) who will seem to keep running almost forever: the universe also will be able to continue its own "run" seemingly long, long after the "discernible" limits of its "fuel tank" (almost as if by magic)... as our unsuspectingly accelerating clocks continue to unsuspectingly lengthen the "same" stretch of time they measure. That is to say: from our perspective, here within it, the universe's continuing "implosion" will "seem" to defy definition itself, appearing "never" to reach that theoretical "smallest-possible size" beyond which anything must "vanish" completely out of existence--because, trapped here inside it as we are, we can not so easily detect either the quickening of "absolute time" (kept only by clocks outside the universe itself), or our own dwindling "size" alongside the ceaseless lessening of everything about us... the eternal speeding up of the clocks here within it making it appear to us as if it is the time that the universe has left that is lengthening, as we "time" the brief instant left to the universe with our unimaginably accelerated and eternally accelerating clocks: And so "forever" is really only relative to the clock against which it is being timed, and not an absolute term: Our "forever" is someone else's brief instant in time, just as our own "brief instant in time" can be someone else's "forever." [And so no one need put himself in place of someone outside the universe and, from that position, think that all we amount to in here is but a brief few seconds. Rather, it's far closer to our reality to think that "clocks" outside our universe run so slowly that they but measure a few brief seconds during our billions of years.] Our sole real triumph perhaps being that power of the intellect to hurdle even the dissolution of all being itself: here, taking in the entirely of the universe's lifespan (and knowing how it is only when we set it against the brief span of our own mortality that the universe seems "almost eternal")... we can marvel at last how even the span of the universe is something not all that different from the so abrupt lifespan of even the least "virtual particle" in it. If nothing else: still one more vindication of the proposition that existence does consistently work by "one single simple principle" evolving all the subsequent complexity... after which all such boundlessly evolved complexities eventually must decay back to the same "one single simple principle" from which all came. That is to say: This is yet one more hint that the laws of physics work everywhere exactly as they do anywhere. What is obvious is that to understand the structure of their cosmos human beings have to divorce themselves from their however cherished (so exclusively human) prejudices. And that science really begins with the quest to identify all such prejudices... because the human perspective obviously is NOT the most universal but one produced strictly by the requirements of/for our existence (required solely for us to survive here where we happen to live... within the bosom of the "artificial nature" which is the human condition we've conspired with the universe to construct for ourselves). Something which is true for all scientific considerations (human endeavors), as we continue to "make" our entire planet into a larger and that much more fatal a version of what we made of Easter Island. What all this means is that, for example, the "speed of light" is NOT "fast" (an absolute term, from our perspective)... and is only/merely "faster" (or "slower") in absolutely relativistic terms: In relation to the size of a man, the speed of light may indeed be quite "fast." But in relation to the size of the universe, that same speed is so monstrously slow as to almost escape the very description of motion! While considered from here inside it our "virtual particle" universe may give all the appearance of being something almost approaching the eternal (and thereby making it so difficult for some of us to "understand" how an "object" can shrink "forever" unless they first understand that it is their "sense of time" that is quickening with the ever quickening universe about them--giving them the mistaken "feeling" that the measured span of time that is in reality forever growing shorter & shorter nevertheless always remains exactly as "long" as it has ever been), considered from without: the lifespan of our visible universe may "pop" in/out of existence before even perception itself may be able to take note of it (were there "someone" outside the visible universe to "see" it, of course--and capable of noticing it). Yet it is only once we grasp such things as how truly slow "our" speed of light is in "astronomical" terms, that we might permit ourselves to imagine timing the orbits even of electrons in terms of our hours, years, and centuries. And then might we countenance the idea of all those "material" structures about us (which have all of our lives convinced us of their unchanging solidity across untold ages) possibly really being as "fluid" as is the "flow" of electrons coursing within the "bolt of lightning." Then might we grasp how, in the same way that a brief sweep of sixteenth notes might seem, to some level of consciousness outside the human, to outlast even the lengthiest passage of "their" whatever centuries... even those motions which seem to us to be "the fastest possible" may to some other level of consciousness outside the human also seem to outlast the lengthiest passage of "their" whatever centuries: The quick wave of one of our hands may "really" seem so "slow" to them that to their quicker consciousness all of its "motion" ceases to be motion at all... and turns into the same "notion" of solidness a bar of iron suggests to us. Then might we divine "the frozen monsters" that are all living things in our human perception (including us, yes)... and recognize at last exactly how truly solid even our greatest notion of fluidity really is & fluid even our most unyielding solidness. In this thermodynamic analogy, then, there is no real distinction between the thermodynamic current that is a bolt of lightning and the thermodynamic current that is our visible universe's "matter." [Matter is energy and energy is motion, reducing matter to pure motion.] Keep this in mind (in light of our human notions and prejudices about the nature of time). By "our human clocks" the bolt of lightning happens "very quickly," while the universe seems to be almost eternal. But this is strictly a "real" distinction only in our own minds--stemming from our historically mistaken idea that "fast" and "slow" are absolute values. They are not. And in the universe there is no such thing as "fast" or "slow" or "big" or "small" (only "faster than..." or "slower than..." or "bigger than..." or "smaller than..."). Living as we are inside the universe, a given rock's whatever odd shape may seem to us to be almost immutable to change... even if in reality that rock's shape (as well as the shape of every other "form" in which matter happens to exist "at the moment" here inside our universe) is merely describing the passing (momentary) state in which "its flow of matter" finds itself... the ongoing, never-ceasing change through which it is passing, one shape/form to the next one --something indeed very much analogous to a current's eddies as the sum total of the universe of matter "flows" (not 3-dimensionally, but) in the direction of implosion. This is the reason all 3-dimensional acceleration results in an increase in mass... as matter is "forced" to move "against" its own singularly natural direction of motion: the direction of motion in which it is already moving (or, "implosion"). Note that it's possible for an object to accelerate while moving at a constant speed... since "speed" refers only to the magnitude of the velocity, and not to the direction in which it's moving. So that an object can also accelerate solely by changing its direction (even as it maintains a constant speed). So: Matter's "singularly natural direction of motion" is "the direction of motion in which all matter in the universe is already moving." And in which it has been moving ever since the instant at which "our cosmic hollow of lesser density" became fully saturated with the higher density material that had fallen into it from "the void" ... at which instant the "energy" of that "shockwave" began to "conserve" itself (its "energy") into/by its implosion ("larger but slower forms forever evolving into smaller but faster ones"). "Mass" being a description of the "unwillingness" of any discrete bit of matter to be "unnaturally" moved in any 3-dimensional direction (against a direction of motion in which it already finds itself moving even absent all 3-dimensional motion ... since all the matter in the universe is already and always will be "moving in the direction of implosion"). Which is the explanation for inertia. Also: all subsequently even greater (proportional to its 3-dimensional velocity... since it's now compounded: 3-dimensional + implosive motion) "unwillingness" of any object/body moving 3-dimensionally to be moved "against" its "additional to implosion" direction of motion being the explanation for all additional force (proportional to how fast the object/body is moving 3-dimensionally, of course) required to "move" an object which is "already" moving 3-dimensionally. And note that Newton's laws of motion do not explain the cause of inertia (now explained here) and only use inertia as a point of departure--That is: Newton confines his famous laws of motion to 3-dimensional motion alone... since he could not have known that everything in the universe is "already" (eternally) moving in the direction of implosion (leaving inertia an unexplained mystery). The One Particle That Reveals It All. At our topmost level of matter-organization (that of atoms, stars, and galaxies) the photon is a rather peculiar discrete bit ("unit of mass") whose most salient characteristic is precisely that its "mass" is so minuscule that it has even inspired a heated debate over whether it actually has any mass at all. It has: "Mass" as a measure of "the inertia of a given unit of matter" means that there is no practical distinction between a unit of matter and "an equivalent" unit of mass--since the force needed to accelerate an equivalent unit of either is one and the same [historically "matter" really only being a dim reflection of how "the structure of its mass" is "packaged" in a greater/lesser volume]. Therein the above explanation for inertia (since by definition: all motion NOT in "the direction of implosion" is 3-dimensional): All 3-dimensional motion is therefore "against" the direction in which all matter is already moving--explaining the "reluctance" of any unit of matter to be moved 3-dimensionally in direct proportion to its "mass." No matter what the "mass" of the photon is finally determined to be... its "acceleration" is prodigious. Therefore its "mass," or "inertia," is correspondingly prodigiously tiny--although never non-existent, or (to put it in the conventional lingo)... or photons would be absolutely immune to "supermassive gravitational fields" (to which they are obviously not immune). The structure (or "package") of the photon is very obviously substantially oversized and, compared to the other particles, relatively "unstable." That is: it is "visible" out of all proportion to its mass, and its "material" is closer to the edge of annihilation than even that of the far more massive/stable electron's, for example--though neither electrons nor photons have the legacy of a long enough evolution--long enough to have brought to them, as it has to other particles of matter, enough mass in a "stable enough" structure (neutrinos too are unstable, changing their "flavor"). The crucial thing at this point is that because of its infinitesimal mass the photon is able to free itself almost entirely from one of the two Basic Motions of Matter. Matter's "two basic motions" as the universe moves in the direction of implosion... one being an "absolute" motion (which we interpret as gravity), the other a strictly "relativistic" motion (which we interpret as the Hubble Constant). Photons (and other likewise extremely low-mass particles) do "move" exactly like every other form of matter that exists here at our topmost level of matter-organization in one way: They also "shrink" (thereby seeming to remain the "same size as ever" relative to the size of all the other objects in the universe which are also "shrinking" at the same rate). However, as the entirety of the universe "implodes" towards the absolute center of its cosmic hollow of lesser density: the photon seems to be able to escape the "absolute motion" of all the matter in the universe (which we interpret as "gravity")... even if it is true that it does not escape all of that motion and only just most of it. Self-evidently: the photon does not fully obey the absolute law of gravity most of the other forms of matter obey. Because all matter is everywhere moving in the direction of implosion but there are no fundamental objects/bodies anywhere in the universe to "implode" toward their own "singular" geometric centers as if they were perfect singularities... all the objects/bodies in the universe (with the possible exception of the discrete bits of the theoretical "first generation" of discrete bits ever to evolve from the primordial cloud that "saturated" our hollow of lesser density)... all the objects/bodies (all the forms of matter) in the universe are imploding NOT towards their own geometrical centers but at/toward every and all the smallest-possible coordinate(s) in/of their matter. Again: the overall effect of "gravity" is that (at every smallest-possible coordinate of the matter of every object/body in the universe)... all matter is forever (imploding) moving in the direction of the center of every smallest-possible coordinate of/in its matter. The result is that what we see at our topmost level of matter-organization is a relativistically "frozen" solid geometry with no easily discernible directionality in which the imploding Planet Earth, for example, does not "implode" ONLY towards its own "singular geometric center" but toward the "geometric center" of every and all possible coordinate(s) of its matter... forever giving us a picture of the eternally always same-sized and same-shaped unchanging sphere we've always known. But make no mistake about this: the entire universe of matter is absolutely imploding at the level of its every smallest-possible coordinate(s). And, for example, this means that the Earth is "falling" into the Sun and that the Moon is "falling" into the Earth in an absolute sense (exactly as described by Galileo). Even though, relativistically, the Earth is also moving away from the Sun, and the Moon is moving away from the Earth (as described by the Hubble Constant). To better understand exactly what the photon is up to, let's imagine what a photon (which is after all just one more "form of matter" among those of our level of matter-organization)... what a photon would "look like" if instead of "shrinking" along with all the other "shrinking" forms of matter, a photon were to somehow manage to always retain its size even as the rest of the universe in which it found itself continued "shrinking" all around it (and, further, let's imagine this theoretical photon of ours as a perfectly spherical hollow ball): From "our" perspective now (unsuspecting as "we" are that it is the universe that is "shrinking") we would undoubtedly interpret this "miraculous spherical photon" as "growing in size" at a quite prodigious speed (really exactly proportional to the speed at which the universe is "shrinking")... so that, for example, in just over eight minutes our spherical photon would be as big around as is the earth's orbit around the Sun; and in a mere 50,000 years or so more it would be the same size as is our entire Milky Way Galaxy (90,000-100,000 light years across). So that if the universe really is [for the purposes of this thought experiment] just under 14 billion light years across, in slightly over 7 billion years our theoretical spherical photon would hold within its "hollow" the entire universe itself). It is its mass that "drags" matter along (making it "move in the direction of implosion"). Any "form of matter" that lacks sufficient mass is able to (proportional to its mass--or, lack thereof), is able to "resist" being dragged along into engaging in the Second Basic Motion of Matter... the one we interpret as the "pull" of gravity here inside the universe, but from outside the universe would interpret as the entire universe imploding like any other conventional single body might implode (and it is this absolute aspect of the photon's motion which makes it look to us as if it's "moving" so oddly). It is the fact that the photon does not move, or moves very little, that permits it to "behave" both as particle "package" (in isolation) and as wave (when it interacts or is "measured"). As I said, the photon still participates in the First Basic Motion of Matter (implosion at the level of every discrete bit or unit of mass) because while the Second Basic Motion of Matter "seems to an observer" to take place only at "a" fully-constituted (or "finished") level of matter-organization (its well-defined "bodies" literally "appearing to be" interacting among themselves... as with atoms, stars, or galaxies)... the First Basic Motion of Matter is taking place at the level of every "least possible" discrete unit of mass [that is: at the level of the theoretical "first generation" of such discrete bits which were the first ever to "tear themselves" from the "single solid homogeneous cloud" that had fully saturated the center of the cosmic hollow into which "fell" the shockwave of "higher density primordial material" from "the void" surrounding it]. So please note that, regardless how one might arbitrarily define such a primordial "unit" ... we say that the universe is "imploding at every possible coordinate of its matter," rather than only at the level of any given "particulate" (or "finished" level of matter- organization). Therefore the photon, being as much one of the forms of matter at our level of matter- organization as atoms, stars, and galaxies... the photon is also "shrinking" exactly as are all the other forms of matter here. But if the photon does not retain its size (appearing to grow ever larger), and has as little mass as it does (therefore not being a form of matter which "moves" along with all the other forms of matter that are moving in the Second Basic Motion of Matter) and thereby appearing to us to always remain "where it is" (appearing forever unmoved amid the flow of "everything moving together"), what exactly determines in which direction it will go (or "appear" to go)...? Well: That "direction" in which a given photon "moves" is determined only by its orientation to its "source" at the moment of its "onset" (creation). And this is a "direction" which can have a completely 3-dimensional orientation with regard to its source because (disengaging as it does from the Second Basic Motion of Matter) the photon's direction of motion instantly becomes 3-dimensional while that of its source forever remains (as it has been) a motion "in the direction of implosion" ... and these are two quite separate and independent from each other directions of motion. In this matter the spherical photon analogy above can serve an important illustrative purpose: Even if, unlike our theoretical spherical photon, the real photon is not growing in size... its position at any given point in time after its "creation" (i.e. after its "separation" from its source) would always still fall exactly where the surface of that growing theoretical spherical photon would fall, given the passage of equal amounts of time... in any direction (which, as I said, is determined solely by the orientation of the photon to its source). Therefore there really is no practical limitation either to which 3-dimensional direction a photon can take... or to its travelling from any point in the universe to any other point within it--or to points outside the universe, for that matter... considering that a photon can move across the universe to (be at) exactly any point in the spherical surface of the theoretical photon which is capable of swallowing the entire universe in our thought experiment. Think now of the geometrical center of our theoretical spherical photon: If there were an "ether" at absolute rest behind the imploding (and therefore "moving") visible universe... and its "geometrical center" were fixed on that "ether," then our ever growing spherical photon would appear to us to "drift" (as the visible universe imploded towards its absolute center, leaving behind all things, photons included, without enough mass to be dragged along)... so that if, say, the geometrical center of our theoretical spherical photon (where its source was at the instant of its creation) were in the Milky Way Galaxy--our entire spherical photon would seem to us to "take off" now, as it grew, drifting away from the Milky Way Galaxy. And some portions of our galaxy could then travel across two opposing surfaces of this growing spherical photon. But as there is no "ether" in the real world to which such a theoretical spherical photon might "fix" its geometric center... that geometric center must remain forever fixed to more or less the place where the photon's source was at the time the photon came into existence--Meaning that if its source was somewhere inside the Milky Way Galaxy, our galaxy would always remain inside the growing soap bubble hollow... and no portion of the Milky Way Galaxy would ever be able to cross two of the spherical photon's opposing surfaces --every point in the galaxy will cross one surface of our "growing" sphere, but never more than one. This is something we must grasp in order to understand why it is that there is no "directionality" to "the speed of light." Our "growing" theoretical spherical photon is in a very real absolute sense "moving" along exactly like (with) the rest of "the entire body" of the universe as it implodes as a whole)... thereby effectively frustrating any attempt we here inside the universe might try to make to establish a directionality for the "speed of light" since no matter in which direction a photon may be travelling it must always "fall" (be) exactly where, in that whatever direction, the surface of our theoretical growing (and "drifting") spherical photon would be. For, remember: the geometric center of our theoretical "expanding" spherical photon is "fixed" not to some background ("ether" or whatever) but to "all the other matter" of the visible universe that is absolutely imploding towards center (fixed to its "point of origin" or "source"). So the "explanation" by G. F. Fitzgerald that matter "contracts in the direction of its motion" [to account for the Michelson-Morley interferometer experiment which first established that there was no directionality to "the speed of light"] is now forever exposed as the misinterpretation it is--As well as is the subsequent arbitrary limitation on anything being able to travel faster than the speed of light "because matter can only contract to zero, obviously, and not beyond." The Michelson-Morley experiment, an attempt to determine the absolute motion of the Earth against an "ether" which was supposed to fill all space and to be at rest was really an attempt to discover in the universe a state at absolute rest (by having it be the result of subtracting all possible motion in every direction). What Michelson and Morley discovered in fact was the universe's absolute motion in the direction of implosion by discovering that the photon always travels in every 3-dimensional direction at the same speed: It was an experiment doomed to failure by the fact that it only encompassed 3-dimensional motion in a universe where 3-dimensional motion is essentially motion in an abberrant direction (the normal direction of all matter in our universe being in the direction of implosion). [if one considers that motion in the direction of implosion is the same everywhere then you realize that there is no objection to defining such a "motion" as the one state in the universe at absolute rest (since all 3-dimensional motion is motion with reference to it). Inspired by Fitzgerald's "uninformed explanation," and knowing that the ratio of an electron's mass to its charge can be determined from its deflection by a magnetic field (as there is no reason to think that as an electron's velocity increases its charge also will increase), H. A. Lorentz suggested that the mass of a particle should increase as the charge of a charged particle is compressed into a smaller volume. And W. Kauffman discovered that, exactly as predicted by the Lorentz-Fitzgerald equations, an electron's mass did indeed increase as its velocity increased (an agreement which improved measurements showed to be just about perfect)... strengthening everyone's confidence in the accuracy of Fitzgerald's gross misinterpretation for why the speed of light lacked directionality--and, by the way, lending confidence to one Albert Einstein, for whom this could only mean that "therefore" there could be no states at absolute rest in the universe (a thought which eventually gave birth to some of his relativity explanations). [Never mind that the "absolute" constancy of the speed of light, no less than its "absolute" lack of directionality, should have told Einstein that there "had" to be some state at absolute rest in "the equation of the universe" against which such constancy was being kept constant! But there it is, of course: the speed itself at which the universe of matter is imploding is absolute across the entire universe (or, I should really say: "is of an equal value where equal conditions (of "pressure") exist")... since one can also state it as everything other than that which is moving as "moving" with respect to it (just as in the description where someone in a passing train is able to imagine it's the train station that's passing by instead). What is this "pressure" in the absence of particle interaction/mediation (gravitons)...? Well, certainly NOT the "push" of one absolute body (billiard ball?) against another physically. Or, from the geometrically opposing viewpoint: The fact that all the bodies/balls are (and have always been) moving in the same direction is enough--Obviously no individual body/ball moving in such an avalanche of them could possibly suddenly come up with the impetuous impatience to speed up (or with any spontaneous sloth, for that matter). Naturally, once the reason for inertia (given above) is made clear, it's obvious that all 3-dimensional acceleration of matter produces pressures ("g-forces" as it were, or a very real "stress") against its own inertia (its motion in the direction of implosion)... these "g-forces stress" increasing with acceleration make it clear just how massive a force would be required to "move" even such a trivial "mass" as that of a photon's across the entire universe in, say, a fraction of a second--and the "stress" that photon would consequently be under. It is this proportional (to 3-dimensional velocity) "stress" which interferes with the regular/normal inner motions of matter (matter itself really being reducible to "motion," which is itself merely another definition of "energy")... causing the very real rise in mass of ALL accelerated matter (not just of charged particles, as Einstein himself showed)... as well as the "slowing of time" for matter traveling at higher 3-dimensional speed, obviously. [Thereby providing the real reason for the also very real "twin" paradox (which like all paradoxes exists only in the human mind, and never in nature)... while separating this very real "relativity of time with respect to 3-dimensional velocity" from any notion that time itself might have accelerated for the twin remaining "at rest" behind in any "real" sense... outside a misinterpretation by the "accelerated" twin, from whose perspective (to whom) the clock in "the passing train station" (the twin remaining behind) will appear to be "moving faster") because the matter of which he (the accelerated twin) himself is made is being "slowed" by the stresses of its acceleration. But "the universe's time" (or, the absolute speed at which the universe is imploding) remains "the time" for the "unmoving" twin left behind--as long as he keeps still (and doesn't try to race across the entire universe in, say, a fraction of a second... because, if he could find the power to do so, it might be a fraction of a second to him, but he may find the rest of the universe aged 14 or more billion years). S D Rodrian Please don't ask me to edit this text into a more cohesive or chronological/logical presentation! Thank God I still have the mental energy to type it out at all. ADDENDUMS ANSWERS from GOOGLE posts by S D Rodrian ... > maybe you could help Bill out with an answer to the > question: What the heck causes gravity? Sure: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GRAVITY. There! ALL the effects we ascribe to the "pull of gravity" are really caused by/because of the fact that the universe is (and has always been) imploding (yes, since its origin ... in fact, THAT is its origin). However, don't try to disprove this by tossing a coin up "against the pull of gravity" because the "speed" at which the coin travels "against the direction of implosion" will be of no consequence whatsoever (you'd have to throw the coin OUT of the universe to counter its implosion)... .... Instead of believing that ours is a universe as described in the inflationary models (a universe of immutable forms of matter forever "expanding" from some primordial magic bean), imagine that we live in a universe where all the forms of matter are just that ("forms" composed of other "forms of matter" which are themselves composed of lesser/smaller "forms" of matter ad infinitum) in a universe that is/has always been in implosion... Yes, use the metaphor of a black hole imploding. But: How long does a black hole take to implode? Well, viewed from outside it, almost no "time" at all. But if the entire universe were imploding, we, of course, would be inside that implosion. If such an implosion lasted only our "seconds" or even "minutes" or "hours" or even "days, months, years, et al" it would cause our "matter" to burst! But, on the other hand, if such an implosion "lasted" (for us here inside it, "timing" the whole thing by our "hours, years, centuries," or even "billions of years"), if such an implosion lasted for as long as the entire lifetime of our universe... then "our forms of matter" would have "enough time" to bend/twist/evolve/adapt to whatever changes were taking place--And it really wouldn't matter "how long" our imploding universe took as "timed" by "somebody" watching its implosion from outside it. The only "time" that mattered to us... would be the one we ourselves "timed" by whatever methods we devised. There is no such thing as an absolute speed (time), and "the laws of physics" which govern the movement of "our speed" (time) depend entirely on what the "mass about us" allows. As the universe implodes, ever accelerating as it does, our "sense" of time (of how "fast" the speed of general motions about us) is also increasing because "there is no absolute time (speed)" and instead the "speed" (and therefore the "timing") of everything (its timing by us) is "absolutely" relative to "the mass" about it (about us). Therefore: No matter how "fast" the universe implodes to "someone" viewing its implosion from outside it, to us, here inside it, the implosion of the universe must necessarily seem to last "for as long as the universe lasts." The hardest obstacle to realizing that ours is a universe in implosion may be that, being INSIDE this implosion, we imagine it's exactly like what happens in a black hole collapse (destroying all forms of matter in it & around it in milliseconds ... the sort of milliseconds measured by our clocks AND the impossible clock of someone INSIDE the black hole we're observing... which clocks we assume to be forever absolutely synchronized). Rather, think of one of those films of street crowds which are sped-up and you see streams of cars & people rushing "through" each other without a single one of them running into anything... Well, that film is "sped-up" from our point of view (by us), where we exist at {what?} speed watching the film--but for anyone "in" that sped-up scene we're watching "existence" was unfolding at "normal" speed, and any idea that they were going so blindingly "fast" that it may be impossible for them to crash into everything would seem almost insulting. [ By {what absolute standard?} do we believe that "our speed" is the "normal speed" of existence itself?!? ] .... Rather, the speed of light is "fast" because we imagine it is (measured against our walking speed). While the speed of one set of atoms decaying into another element is "slow" because, again, we measure it against our walking speed, or the speed it takes us to eat a bowl of cherries, or to live out our whole lives, or even the lives of all the generations of man, for that matter. We find it hard to imagine that all the generations of man, or all the generations of all the organisms that ever lived on this planet, or all the generations of stars, et al, might fly by in the "time" it takes "someone standing outside our universe" to glance to one side and notice that it (our universe, unsuspected by him) has imploded (in milliseconds, as measured by his watch). But that is EXACTLY what has happened, will happen, and is happening: The relativity of time is absolute (and that relativity extends to outside our universe): The relativity of "speed" ABSOLUTELY has everything to do with what the mass around your "watch" is doing (its "speed" ... in effect, its "time"). I have said it before and I will repeat it endlessly: "Everything that is now described as "the pull of gravity" must be reinterpreted as the effect of velocity." It doesn't mean that "rocket scientists" will have to find some other way to "sling-shoot" their space vehicles (than by gravitational orbits) --rather, they must eventually come to realize that what they're doing is the same thing that happens to a leaf that's sucked into the eye-wall of a hurricane: The closer to any "point of implosion" anything comes the greater the velocity it must experience (and those "points of implosion" exactly coincide with what we now call "centers of gravity") ... which is identical to saying now "the greater pull of gravity they must experience." WHERE are these "points of implosion" located inside the universe? Well, self-evidently they cannot be located in the middle of space (space with more space around them) because space can neither implode or explode. Therefore, they ONLY exist where the matter of the universe is imploding (its material substance) and that boils down to mass, mass, and more mass: This makes "a" point of implosion absolutely relative to the mass around it. So that any mass which is added or subtracted from any "imploding system" (which is any congregation of matter sufficiently separated from the rest of the universe to exhibit independent motion towards its own unique point of implosion, whether it be the earth-moon system, or the Solar System, or the Milky Way system, or even the earth-Newton's Apple system)... any mass which is added to or subtracted from any "imploding system" has an immediate effect upon the "location" of its "point of implosion (making ALL such "points of implosion" then absolutely relative to the mass about them). [And I certainly don't want to get any "the speed of gravity" nonsense here--suffice it to say that if the Sun were to vanish by some magical miracle, what's to prevent a magical miracle from being instantaneous across the entire universe?] However: Since all the mass (matter) of the universe is moving towards such "points of implosion" (BECAUSE such "points of implosion" exist in isolation --from the rest of the universe--NOTICE the "space" between them) they are all entirely relativistic: That is, while the moon and earth are "trying" to "roll down their own mutual/common point of implosion" they are also, as ONE system/mass vying with the Sun to "roll down their own mutual/common point of implosion" and so on: so that NONE of this invalidates Galileo's marvelous description of "gravitational" trajectories (loss of momentum) nor Newton's laws of gravitation, or Einstein's geometrical perfecting of them: If two bodies approach each other with just the right amount of momentum away from their "common point of implosion" they will go into a mutual orbit; and if they are both aimed straight at their "common point of "implosion" they must surely collide. And if two immense bags of those styrofoam packing beans pass close enough to one another, surely a lot of those styrofoam beans will not have/or will not be able to maintain enough momentum away from their "common point of implosion" to prevent a pileup too. The point is that the entirety of the universe is ONE geometric unit. And that the existence (and position) of every last bit of mass in the universe affects its entire configuration--which is the same as saying that the "effect of gravity" extends "infinitely" across the entirety of the universe. Which is just another way of saying that the entire mass (matter) of the entire universe also has its own definite/absolute "point of implosion" towards which everything in the universe is "moving" [not because of the mythical "pull of gravity" but because that is the geometric center towards which its "body" was "pushed" from its origin]. And because the mass of the universe does not "ride" upon some inflexible/rigid aether, naturally the closer two "bits" of mass are to each other the greater the acceleration they must experience toward their common "point of implosion" (the effect is indistinguishable in practice from the effect described up to now as gravity, except that for many hundreds of years scientists used a cosmological system in which the universe revolved around the earth to predict with great accuracy the motions of the heavens... until a simpler, more straightforward solution was found--a solution which also embodied the explanation everyone was searching for). And so it is at this writing, when the inflationary/gravitational point of view can be used to predict the motions of the heavens with great accuracy BUT it is only the implosion model that at last offers the simpler, more straightforward solution (and also embodies the answer) everyone is searching for. Now you know how all that is possible WITHOUT there being some magical mediating particle (the mythical graviton) to cross the full length of the universe: The mass of Newton's apple and the mass of the earth are "seeking" their common center/point of implosion (since they do not ride any mythical rigid matrix/aether)... and they are both "moving" towards the "center of the universe" both as a system while being such an infinitesimal portion of that system that I seriously doubt we will ever definitely ascertain its orientation. [so you observe Newton's apple moving towards the earth with a greater acceleration than the moon is moving towards the earth, or the earth-moon system are moving toward the Sun, and the Solar System is moving toward the "center" of the Milky Way, etc.] Simply assume that our universe IS imploding... and begin to re-examine all the observations which have for the last 100 years (and longer) "argued" for so many counter-intuitive, and self-contradictory, and just plain illogical/crazy explanations for/of why/how the photon "knows" at what speed it should travel and in which direction? How is it possible for the effect of gravity to extend infinitely (and WITHOUT any mediating particle WHATSOEVER--because the proposition of the graviton's existence is just a guess exactly like the proposition of "dark matter")? How spiral galaxies can do what they're doing with only the mass of their stars! And, indeed, why/how the so-called "expansion" of the universe can itself be forever accelerating with no visible expenditure of the tremendous amounts of energies such an acceleration obviously requires or we are all mad! And everything else, to boot: Imagine what some being riding upon one of these independent systems (say, a planet), what such a being must think when he looks out into space and observes all the other systems "draining" down into their whatever "points of implosion" ... without suspecting the true nature of what he is looking at: Let's call such a being Edwin Hubble, and he notices that there is a "constant" relationship between the distance from us of "an object" and the speed at which it looks like it's receding away from us: Not suspecting that the universe is in implosion, and therefore that all its "independent systems" (galaxies, say) are (as it were) "shrinking into themselves" wherever they happen to be--that is, not knowing that it's really his ruler that's "shrinking" Hubble assumed that it is the distance between all the systems that's "growing" [and necessarily, the farther a galaxy is from ours the "faster" Hubble assumed it was receding away from us). REMEMBER: The closer something is to something else the "faster" it is imploding. Therefore the universe is imploding fastest at the quantum level --if for no other reason than that is the smallest" (and therefore "closest") level of which we know. The inflationary models cannot even explain the most basic phenomena we observe in our universe, such as WHY/HOW radiation propagates except by gibberish/ nonsense. While in an imploding model the "disconnect" between massive and nearly-massless matter perfectly explains why one "moves" and the other does not: If you are riding the "moving" part of it and you do no suspect that you are the one moving, you tend to imagine that the part you are passing by is the thing doing the moving-- And now you also know why no matter how much the photon is slowed it must "regain" its full velocity once it is freed from whatever was slowing it down: The velocity at which the "more massive" matter of the universe is imploding must certainly hold very steadily across a very large swath of the universe --since it is all governed by the mass (matter) about it. But, thereby the reason why the speed of light is fixed.] But I imagine that at some point most thinking persons will eventually realize that while the Big Bang (inflationary) models of the universe are forever drowning in self-contradictions and utter and hilariously zany science fiction... there is not one serious challenge to the implosion model that has ever gone adequately unanswered (even as you can read in this very text). Again: ONCE you consider the universe from that point of view, then ALL the puzzles and conundrums which plague and baffle us now (causing us to propose near-or-just-plain-ole magical solutions) to mysteries such as "spooky action at a distance" (entanglement), how a single photon can interact with itself, and the impossibility of making sense of relativity and QM existing in the same world ... all of them and more will finally begin to "argue" their own solutions, as "you" say, despite all our most cherished prejudices. = Everything that is now described as "the pull of gravity" must be reinterpreted as the effect of velocity. This includes so-called lesser/greater massive gravitational fields as described by\in relativity theory. OR: If you are "a mile" from a neutron star you are obviously a LOT closer to the "point of implosion" of a greater amount of mass than if you were even an inch from, say, the moon. The implosion model in no way invalidates relativity; but, on the contrary it is clear just how remarkable an achievement Einstein managed while never even suspecting that the universe is imploding--that he should be able to describe it with such purely geometrical perfection... at last putting an end to the ancient myth of the aether. And without realizing exactly why it should be that the universe acts rather more like a geometrical structure than a purely gravitational one (as previously described by Newton). If gravity were ANY KIND OF "force" then it would, by the laws of physics (QM) blow up the universe to smithereens. It would ALSO create stars and watery planets with hollowed-out centers BECAUSE there would be little or no "gravity" at their centers: Yet, the theories we have about how our Sun works calls for most of its nuclear reactions to be taking place precisely AT ITS CENTER, under the greatest "pressures" therein! And no one that I know of has EVER proposed hollow planets (except some laughable comic book I read as a child, as I recall). Oy! But people don't think. What then are orbits, galaxies? Use the simplest of all analogies: In an imploding universe EVERYTHING is (perhaps not so figuratively) going down the drain: Look at the whirlpool that forms as water tries to go down your kitchen drain pipe (the same thing is taking place in tornadoes and hurricanes, where pressure in the eye-wall forces air to "drain" up, sucking in air from the area surrounding the "funnel"). Why does a whirlpool form at the mouth of your drainpipe? Because some water drops, unfortunately for them, have just enough momentum toward one side to avoid going directly down the drain. And the more water, the more likelihood there is of a whirlpool forming... And whether it's the earth/moon system, or the Solar System, or galaxies we're talking about... what we're looking at is "bodies" (the water drops here) which, unfortunately for them, have just enough momentum away from the exact/absolute point of implosion (what we now call their common center of gravity). [And, such "absolute points of implosion" are completely relativistic (i.e. created by the very presence of the mass around them that creates them).] And just as not every time you open the faucet does a whirlpool form at the mouth of the drain (it usually has to do with the volume of water), not every galaxy develops into a spiral one like the supermassive Milky Way (something which also seems to have a correlation with whether it's a massive or smaller galaxy, surprise, surprise). And NONE of it has anything whatever to do with any "dark matter" or other nonsense like it, I assure you. > But why things are imploding and where they came > from remains unanswered. No they do not: It is all an inevitable consequence of the laws of thermodynamics... Think (!) of "the void" as so immense/vast that at some point or other its "body" hiccups a wave and presto: thermodynamic currents/waves back & forth. Is it so impossible from there to think that somewhere a bubble of "lesser pressure" arose which then burst, as higher pressures poured into it--the "concentration" at "its center" being our "visible" universe...? And there you have our imploding universe, and without having to have a single graviton in it for it to work EXACTLY as we can observe it working all around us. GO backwards from our universe, and it is a prick-point in some vaster/more diffuse universe, which is itself but another prickpoint in some vaster/more diffuse universe, ad infinitum, and you can see where it all comes from: All you really need is "something so very close to nothingness" as to make the difference negligible indeed. But then, eventually here we are. Think! That describes the raison d'etre for the implosion model of the universe, except that any notion of "time" is moot: ALL time is relative, just as Einstein began to understand, and while the implosion of our universe, as viewed (timed) from outside it, may look like (and take about as long as) the collapse of a massive star into a black hole seems to us... we here inside it (because our SENSE of time is so humongously "fast" ... AND FOREVER SPEEDING UP) we here inside the universe will "experience" it like some "unending" amount of time (or, equal to the entire length of the part of the lifetime of our universe in which we exist). It may be a fact that as we go on there is "less and less time" of the universe left--because, inevitably, as the universe continues its implosion (or, concentration into less and less volume) it must undergo a general acceleration... but because "our sense of time" is literally accelerating ahead of the universe... what is left of the universe will always be, at least for us, quite a lot (and perhaps even growing as "we" go on--if I may be so bold as to include us with the rocks & hydrogen atoms out there). What will our universe end up as? I certainly don't have enough information to theorize about it with any real authority. Although I'd like to think it will all dissolve into plain ole nothingness. It's still possible it will also be some massive pile-up of black holes... or a single one, which may well be another universe-of-sorts ad infinitum. Who knows. Who cares! The whole human race will certainly be dead long, long before then. And all that will certainly be a long, long, long time in our future, of course. S D Rodrian Other Bits & Pieces, Here & There ... "Immortalist" wrote: "sdr" wrote: >> Another SD Rodrian Prediction True: >> Cosmological Constant (i.e. "Dark Energy") is BOGUS >If the available evidence argues that most of the >matter in the universe is dark and cannot be detected >from the light which it emits or fails to emit, the >question arises about how this stuff which cannot be >seen directly exists at all unless its presence is >inferred indirectly from the motions of astronomical >objects, specifically stellar, galactic, and galaxy >cluster/supercluster observations "Available evidence" (observations) do not "argue" anything: It is men, such as you and I, who look at "something" and "see" in it our prejudices: The "evidence" of a plane flying overhead "argues" one set of conclusions from a guy in Philadelphia and quite another from a stone age hunter (as it did for New Guinea tribesmen, who in the 40s, thought the American airmen who were landing there to prepare for battle against the Japanese HAD TO BE gods and worshipped them as such). For many years now MANY different forms of matter (since all matter MUST needs come in some form) have been proposed and searched for as candidates for "dark matter." Either none has been found or contradictory evidence have suggested that the forms proposed could not exist where they have been proposed (as required) or in such forms at all. We have a specific observation (namely, that some galaxies behave in a way they should not, given the mass of their visible stars). It is a puzzle. And it demands theories/guesses. But until we find the specific reason/cause for this observation ALL our best theories are mere guesses: There is NO argument FOR or requirement of any such stuff as "dark matter." It is simply ONE guess. Further, it is a guess which has FOR MANY MANY years been thoroughly explored and which remains unproved. Perhaps if we had extended but 1/100th the effort in some other line of inquiry... we'd know the answer now. As a matter of principle, I am against killing ANY line of inquiry until such time as the solution has been found. But I myself am of the strong opinion that the search for some/any/all form(s) of dark matter are a dead end. Why? SEE: http://physics.sdrodrian.com >... or in order to >enable gravity to amplify the small fluctuations in >the Cosmic Microwave Background enough to form the >large-scale structures that we see in the universe >today, The answer to this mirrors the large-scale structures of the material universe itself, and the solution is to be found in the same identical causes which have given rise to the universe's other large-scale structures. Namely, the sheer vagaries of matter- distribution over large scales of time: It is not a true "random" process, simply one whose dynamics we have not yet computed (and perhaps never will). The "proposal" for dark energy is not as a result of any particular requirement in the Big Bang model; rather, the real world (the universe) was unexpectedly discovered to be working in the exact opposite manner that model says it ought to be working... but rather than acknowledge the observed facts have invalidated the model, BB theorists merely now said they thought some "dark energy" MUST exist which is making the model work in the exact opposite way the BB model should work. The original requirement for a "Big Bang" were effectively nullified by the discovery that the universe is "expanding" NOT from some primordial "explosion" (Big Bang) but due to some "other" reason NOT YET UNDERSTOOD. (The proposal that it MUST BE some "dark force" is somewhat like people who do not understand how/why planes fly suggesting that it MUST BE because of some "dark force" invisibly holding planes up in the air: It is nonsense which not everyone has yet realized what utter nonsense it is. And it is utter nonsense because it violates any number of physical laws, not least of which is that its WORKING needs LOADS of energy consumption/conversion which no one has either observed or proposed how it is taking place. The proposal of a pushing force acting in the same place and at the same time as the "pull" of gravity simply insults logic.) Where did the Big Bang model come from? Einstein asked: "If there is gravity, why hasn't the universe collapsed?" He thought "there MUST be" some force keeping the universe from collapsing (i.e. counter-balancing the "pull" of gravity). He called his "MUST-BE pushing force" the Cosmological Constant. But then Hubble discovered that the galaxies "appeared" to be moving away from each other, and Einstein immediately realized the folly of his Cosmological Constant proposal. Instead another down- to-earth bit of nonsense was proposed: Wasn't it the case here on earth that whenever things expanded from a common point there had been an explosion at that point? Ergo, since the universe' galaxies were seen to be moving away from each other... they MUST be moving away from some super-ancient explosion (some really Big Bang). Never mind that all "explosions" require energy. Never mind that the creation of matter/energy from nothingness revives the ancient paradox of a First Cause Uncaused (God). Never mind thinking/reasoning at all. The Big Bang model satisfied men's thirst for a quick, slick answer. And since people are lazy at everything, but especially about exercising their brains... the nonsense's stuck (it's easier to shout down objections than to think them through seriously). >Yesterday, [January 12, 2006] Louisiana State >University astronomer Bradley >E. Schaefer tossed a grenade >into this debate, ["dark energy" >or, Cosmological Constant] presenting >new research to suggest that >the force dark energy exerts >may have varied over time. >That casts new doubt on the >validity of Albert Einstein's >"cosmological constant" only >a few years after astronomers >rescued the concept from >scientific oblivion. >"I'm not pushing this as a proof," >Schaefer said in an >interview at this week's >meeting of the American >Astronomical Society in >the District, where he presented >his research. "It's pointing >against the cosmological >constant, but it's a first result >describing how dark energy >changes with time. We need >more people to test the >results and get more information." Well, I for one am glad that it's so darn hard for so many to let go of their most cherished prejudices (they were taught to us all by the fools we love so much, after all), and to actually see what's right in front of their eyes ... because that way the joy of being able to keep telling people that I told them so is multiplied by the number of dense brains there are out there. >Mr. Schaefer based his findings >on analysis of ultra-bright >cosmic explosions called >gamma-ray bursts, detected as >far as 12.8 billion light-years >away. He found that the >most distant explosions >appeared brighter than they >should have been if the universe >were accelerating at >a constant rate. >"As you go back in time, the >universe is pushing [outward] >less and less," he said. "At >some point, the pressure of dark >energy is zero and is exerting >no force on the universe. >There is no explanation for it." NOT in the Big Bang model, certainly. But consider what the case would be in an imploding universe: The further back in time you go, the larger the universe is (i.e. the slower it is imploding). Now the observation makes sense. And we can remove all the nonsense about "dark matter." What "pushing [outward] less and less," in the paragraph above means is that the acceleration of the universe's expansion is "less and less" as we go "more and more" back in time. At "zero point" there is no "dark force" at all, and ONLY the pull of gravity is acting on the universe (so we are effectively back at the point where Hubble discovered the galaxies appear to be moving away from each other AGAINST the pull of gravity ... devoid of any reason why/how). However, now any quick/slick "Big Bang" suggestion becomes more problematic because most explosions tend to make things move faster at first and then slower with time... NOT the other way around, certainly! >Schaefer's findings, the first >attempt to use gamma-ray >bursts to study dark energy, >produced a result that >disagreed with accumulating >evidence gleaned from >observing a different kind of >blast -- the exploding stars >called supernovae. That work >suggested that the expansion >of the universe is accelerating >in accordance with Einstein's >cosmological constant. >"The idea of using a gamma-ray >burst as a distance >indicator is a very exciting one," >said California Institute >of Technology astronomer >Richard Ellis, a supernova >cosmologist. "The trouble is >there are no ways to check >the techniques. I'm not saying >it's no good, but I can't >believe it's as precise as supernovae." >The concept of dark energy >emerged in 1999 as a way to >explain the fact that the >expansion of the universe, once >thought to be slowing ever >since the big bang about 13.7 >billion years ago, was accelerating. >That resurrected the >idea of a cosmological constant, >introduced by Einstein >more than 80 years ago as a >"fudge factor" to explain why >the universe then appeared to >be in equilibrium, rather >than being pulled together >by gravity. >A few years later, however, >astronomer Edwin Hubble >discovered that the universe >was not in stasis, after all, >but was expanding. There >was no "constant." Einstein >condemned his own idea >as "my greatest blunder." Actually, what Hubble discovered was that the galaxies "appeared" to be moving away from each other. The idea that this discovery suggested that the universe is expanding is both reasonable and idiotic, since while in a very simple way it resembles the way an explosion here on earth works... it also presents impossible hurdles to explaining where all that energy came from. [Recently someone who must have gotten the idea from watching bedsheets hung out for drying in a yard fluttering in the wind... suggested the nonsense of "branes" flapping in the Mind of God or something, which when they touch create a rupture through which pour all the energy in the Big Bang--I must say I had to laugh like a mule when I read it. But that's me, other people actually take this non- sense quite seriously, I swear to God. Naturally, people who suggest a God as The Origin "forget" to tell us about the origin of God, and it's no different here, where they are happy to explain the origin of our "dimensions" from some other "dimensions" but they never ever quite get around to explaining the origins of those other dimensions --which I assume did not originate from ours.] >That led to the 1999 discovery >that the expansion of the >universe was accelerating >rather than slowing. There had >to be some "repulsive force" THERE JUST HAD TO BE, right? It just couldn't be something OTHER THAN what they were imagining/proposing! >overcoming the gravity that >should have been causing >the universe to come together. >Astronomers called the force >dark energy, and "it mimics >the cosmological constant," >said Michigan Technological >University astronomer Robert >J. Nemiroff. Einstein may >have been right after all. Wonder how many times in all people will repeat the same error before they finally acknowledge it as an error and move on to something else...! >Astronomers estimate that >dark energy makes up 70 percent >of the universe, but they do not >know what it is. Is it some "invisible hand" holding the plane up in the air? >Solving the >mystery is as all-consuming >as any passion in physics. "It's >so spooky," said Astronomical >Society President Robert B. >Kirshner, a cosmology expert >at the Harvard-Smithsonian >Center for Astrophysics. >"Everybody is looking for ways to >get at it." If all the seekers are searching down the wrong path the chances of any one of them discovering the truth are nil, and no matter how many seekers. One lone seeker searching down the true path is worth all the seekers in infinity searching down the wrong one. > Janika Rifley wrote: > I see gravity as a point of balance between magnetic > fields, not as a force. Explain to me what purpose/point there would be for gravity AT ALL in an imploding universe ... if the implosion were the result of a "push" given it at its very beginning by the "greater pressures' surrounding the hollow into which those "pressures" cascaded? (Literally, "by their very weight.") Read thou: http://physics.sdrodrian.com Being a hollow, bubble-like, the outside pressures which "fell" into it must be "speeding up" as they concentrate nearer & nearer its geographic center. We don't notice this acceleration in the normal course of events, except back around 1998 when two different groups of astronomers noticed an "inexplicable" acceleration in a universe which they do not yet understand is imploding ... and, of course, by one S D Rodrian, who when years earlier realized that the universe was indeed imploding deduced that that implosion therefore had to be accelerating. And, presto, so it was found to be. Nice. But I don't drink Champagne (as Dracula once said). "Dr Nanduri" - wrote: > This new modelling of reality brings physics very > much into accord with the general concepts of > Process Philosophy. That must have been what was missing in physics: Less study of physical phenomena & junk like that, and more tightening up on abstract thinking about all sorts of crazy things! Sir, the nature of science is to make as unbiased a set of observations of physical phenomena as possible ... in the hope they one day lead to some sort of unprejudiced interpretation of reality. Don't be misled by the fact that people like to guess where the solution will be found before the solution is actually found ... don't be misled by this into believing that science and philosophy mix very well at all: The history of physics the last century is the sorry proof they do not (being the result of guessers, so-called theorists, who will blurt out just about any guess that pops into their flirty heads, proclaiming it "the only possible solution in the universe"). A good theorist does not merely propose any ole elephant as the only possible solution, but FIRST goes through at least the trouble to see whether there is room in the room into which he wants to fit his/her theoretical elephant for it to actually fit in there: In other words, somebody tells you there is an elephant in the matchbox he carried around in his pocket ... don't waste time arguing the physics of his claim (how/why there is an elephants in...), just don't. I tell thee this: There are an awful low of people nowadays looking at the universe while convinced that they are looking at something else entirely, and growing puzzled/confused/baffled (not by the observations, but by the nonsense theorist are constantly proposing): Ya can't look at a mule and believe you're looking at a tornado & not remain puzzled/confused and baffled by what you "see." S D Rodrian POST: What is Gravity? Why/How Does It Work? On Sep 4, 3:08 pm, "Timothy Golden BandTechnology.com" <tttppp...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Well, as I listen to Mr.Rodrian's piano sonata http://www.archive.org/details/COMPLETE_MOZART_PIANO_SONATAS >> Ha! Those are by Mozart. >> Last time "I" wrote a piano >> sonata it caused such hysterics >> (of laughter) that I >> was briefly held on a charge >> of attempted homicide >> (of my listeners). > > Sorry... interpretation... > >>> I wish we could discuss the relation of >>> thermodynamics and gravity. VISIT THOU: http://physics.sdrodrian.com/ It's all there. Could it be simpler? I doubt it: Look ... There is a slight misconception abroad in the land that a thermodynamic current can only arise when there is suddenly "more of something" to flow away towards where there is "less of it." [suggesting that because "something" cannot arise from "nothingness" only an act of "magic" could have given rise to the universe.] However, the fact is that regardless of how tenuous the broad/infinite expanse of Nothingness was, all that was really required was that "somewhere" the "Nothingness" should become even more tenuous still than generally, and then a thermodynamic current would have inevitably flowed towards that blessed spot. And because of Newton's laws of motion, that "spot" would have eventually become our universe (the concentration of so many, many somethings). SEE: http://physics.sdrodrian.com/ Think of the "visible" universe as a sort of eternally "shrinking" black hole "singularity" (of course, this is only a poetic exaggeration, since obviously, "singularities" are physically impossible in our reality--all you need do is look around you). Fortunately, because there is nothing to which to compare "the size" of the universe... it will "always" remain the biggest thing in existence, no matter how "smaller" it may go on to become. Where can you find more on all this? Hello: http://physics.sdrodrian.com/ Note, however, that "gravity" is not the simple effect of this "shrinking" (no matter what the speed of this shrinking may actually be). Consider: In an elevator in perfect "free-fall" there is no "effect of gravity." If you are inside it and drop Newton's apple it will simply "float" in place. You need to add 1) an acceleration to the "speed" at which something falls, vs/and 2) a "floor" not moving away from Newton's apple with a matching speed: Think of the earth's ground (in the latter case, or #2 above): The relatively uncollapsing "framework" of the earth's matter keeps it from going into any sort of "free-fall" (observable by us)... unlike what happens to an actual black hole star's "ground." Therefore the falling Newton's apple can only accelerate until it hits the earth's surface. Why should it/does it accelerate at all? The reason for this acceleration is that the "shrinking" universe is "an energy-conservation engine." [in "shrinking" the universe is forever hopelessly forced to observe the conservation of angular momentum law--Yes, the same effect one sees when a spinning skater pulls in his arms.] The "body" of the "shrinking" universe is forever growing "tighter" (or, going from being larger/slower to smaller/faster). An "acceleration" by any name: The entire universe is experiencing an acceleration in merely "existing." Or, the "smaller" it grows the "faster" it grows smaller... forever. This is the reason why for a dozen or more years before astronomers finally discovered that the universe's "expansion" was accelerating I despaired of ever discovering the footprint of that acceleration I knew HAD to be taking place in ANY imploding universe. If our "Newton's apple" were falling into an actual black hole star, its acceleration would almost certainly continue until it very nearly matched that of the shrinking universe itself--even if but "always" only just "nearly." This acceleration ("towards shrinking" of/at every point in the universe) means that EVEN if our elevator (above) were itself in complete "free-fall," when you dropped Newton's apple it would NOT just float "in place" but would actually begin to gradually "fall." And THAT effect is what we normally "observe"/describe as the observable "effect of gravity." Very subtle on earth's surface, very pronounced on a black hole star's. Why? Because this effect/interaction is one which is strictly between quantities of mass/matter/energy: In our experience, the effect of this acceleration is identical to the conventional description of "gravity" in any way you would care to measure it: Since the "universal singularity" ["the universe"] is shrinking unto itself, it will "appear" to interested observers as if nearby bodies are "pulling" at each other [and not just the elevator floor, obviously]... in other words, if you suppose a "pulling" to be the case, Newton's apple appears to be pulling at the elevator's floor and vice versa. And because, to all practical ends, every "point" is the center of the universe ["down" is strictly only a "relative" term], it is "the sum centers of mass" that are the "points" toward which the surrounding mass is/are "shrinking" (i.e. obviously, "space" plays no part whatsoever in "shrinking" ... and therefore the "illusion" of weaker/stronger "gravitational fields"). The "distance" between two nearby bodies will diminish more than/long before the "distance" between them and bodies farther afield" (because all groups/conglomerations are "moving" ["down"] towards the sum of all their mass' centers) and therefore away from everything else "outside" them. There is nothing "personal" about this, it's merely that the universe is "so big in comparison to the bit under consideration" that, to all practical effects... every such bit of the universe can be described as its "center." [The universe is everywhere "shrinking" towards its everyplace ... not "slurping" wholesale towards its whatever singular sum center.] Individual stars, planets ... and related/very close but "untouching" conglomerations will be "shrinking" into a point "in space" which is the center of the sum of their added mass: the earth/moon system, as well as solar systems, galaxies, galaxy groups, et al ... and so forth outwards with every surrounding and correspondingly independent conglomeration of mass/energy from the smallest subparticle to the entire universe itself (which you may choose to call "gravitational systems" if you still believe in gravitons). As one continues to pull back one will always observe all whatever groupings of such conglomerations to be behaving as if they were independently "associated super-conglomerations" BECAUSE they will always be "shrinking" towards the center of the sum of their total mass. And so it will continue (as you "pull back") until the entire universe itself will be "seen" as behaving as if it were one single "associated conglomeration," [not a "singularity" of course]. The effect can be "observed to be" extremely subtle or extremely pronounced (depending on the amount of mass, and its organization, whether more compact or more spread out/insubstantial. The crucial factor being the amount of mass in a given volume observed, and not necessarily how it is distributed across that volume... again, because what matters always is "how much mass/matter is falling towards the sum of its mass' center, or [see above] the closer a sum of mass/energy is to itself, the more it will be moving away from everything else afield. As the independent conglomerations "shrink into themselves" the distance between them will naturally increase ... subtly with proximity and increasing with distance so that very distant galaxies will seem to be speeding away from each other at nearly the speed of light (there is no natural law against something moving faster than the speed of light, but "catching sight of something moving away faster than the speed of light" is always problematical, even if only philosophically). Einstein's restriction comes from his assumption that the "Fitzgerald contraction" (that all matter contracts in the direction of its motion) was true [as truly a whoppingly moronic explanation of why the speed of light is constant as is "dark energy" to explain why the universe's "apparent expansion" is accelerating]. But having assumed that, Einstein was left with the fact that this moronic assumption demanded that matter could only contract "so much" and then could not possibly contract any "mucher" (a reflection of his state of mind, I imagine). ergo: The "numbers" told him that at 7/8th the speed of light a 12-inch ruler would contract to 6 inches, and so forth, until at the speed of light his ruler would have contracted to zero--And, as a ruler can then contract no further, Einstein left himself no wiggle-room to imagine any speed greater than that of light. Neat, eh! Unfortunately for Einstein, smart as he was, the "facts" upon which he built his Grand Temple were rotten and, eventually, it shall all tumble down, I'm afraid. (You will be able to tell when this is happening by the number of rats leaving the edifice ... and whether they will be sauntering out, or scrambling like ... rats). "But," you might say, a neutron star can still be seen just as the Sun/Earth can still be seen." This is because, just like the Earth, a neutron star has reached a point in its collapse where its "matter" has achieved a stable framework (exactly like the "matter" of the earth has achieved a stable framework) and will collapse no more: The greater speed of its collapse (of a neutron star's collapse, versus, say, that of a Sun-sized star, or of an earth-sized planet, for that matter) could be observed only when its combustion fuel ran out and it -then- collapsed into a stable neutron star (when the Sun exhausts its fuel it will collapse into a stable white dwarf quite gently in comparison). While, on the other hand, a black hole star's collapse after burning up all its fuel will be monstrously spectacular. [Astrophysicists are not yet sure how to describe whatever "stable" thing a black hole star eventually collapses to, if any-thing, except to use the quite "unreal" term of "a singularity."] Of course, the actual distance between galaxies, as measured by a yardstick outside the universe, will actually be "shrinking." But, since we can only measure such distances with our own "shrinking" galactic yardsticks... such distances must therefore forever appear to us to be increasing! An effect which is clearly discernible to us as the "illusion" that the galaxies are everywhere moving away from each other at rates of speed "surprisingly" related to how "distant" they are from each other. Needless to say, any silly goose first coming upon this peculiar motion of the galaxies away from each other ... with a brain empty of the knowledge I have just outlined above must inevitably conclude that THE UNIVERSE MUST OBVIOUSLY BE EXPANDING (as if it were ... oh, I don't know, the result of an ancient explosion, a really "big bang"). And so, imagine the surprise of all such "empty brains" when astronomers suddenly discovered (in 1997 or so) that their UNIVERSAL EXPANSION IS ACTUALLY ACCELERATING! (Obviously, a physical impossibility for the remnants of an explosion.) Oh, I don't know, I suppose they might be made loopy enough to even grow to imagine that this inexplicable/completely unpredictable (in a big bang universe) acceleration HAD TO BE due to some invisible and undetectable mystical/magical kind of "dark" energy or something. No, really, don't laugh: Billions of dollars being dropped down this particular black hole is more something to cry about. But that is how man's knowledge advances across the stumbling nature of his history... from blind guess to blind guess, I guess. There, now I've written it so that even a fly can understand it. But, have I not said all this before? >> If you wish to plunge into the lighter side of >> humanity visit: http://poems.sdrodrian.com/470.htm > Unfortunately your poem is as long as your treatise > on gravity and thermodynamics. And people have forgotten how to read. I know. > By the time I get a bit of the way through I am > tired and wish that you could compress the rhetoric > down to a simplistic construction. A kind of Dick and Jane Reader for physicists... yes. > Then there could be a real discussion. O yeah--yeah--O yeah--yeah--O yeah. Been there. > I do not wish to be light. You would like to goof > around a bit and it is your right to do so. What else can one do around goofballs? > You say you are old. My bones concur. As well as the last two brain cells still alive and echoing back & forth to each other in the otherwise Brain Cells Mausoleum of my mind. > Will your idea of unifying gravity and > thermodynamics die with you? The instant I die the universe shall be swallowed by eternal oblivion. I should be better off worrying about keeping a smile on until that instant, don't you think. Well, perhaps you don't. But that's no skin off my nose either. > Is there even anything substantial there? For whom? > Why then would you attempt to force your reader > through such a long roundabout path? Thank me for my least effort. And then move on! I shall be thankful for your thanks (I do not intend to take anything with me to oblivion.) > The direct approach is much more efficient. When > you have someone offering to be a student why > would you throw them away? So that, hopefully, a real teacher might catch them. I am not a teacher but an observer. This is an interesting planet. > I suppose you are a man of great variations with > little basis. Ah! You have been to: http://www.archive.org/details/BACH_ART_OF_THE_VARIATION > I challenge you to present your theory of > gravitation and thermodynamics in as compact > a form as possible. I have news or you, my boy: It will never be compact enough for someone or other. Otherwise they would have surely stopped running the 100-yard dash long ago. Those who truly wish to understand ... will. > I have a brief theory that predicts that large solid > objects cannot achieve low temperature. I think my fridge disproves it already... > By a natural tendency of matter to cohere as it > oscillates such a tendency can be intuited. Now, think about why matter "coheres" and one day you may yet come to understand that the universe is imploding! > I admit that my own theory is infantile > and it needs work. I > encourage you to present even just such > a starting point as a kernel > of development. Can't: My ancient digestive system can no longer take corn. > Operating by declaration is necessary but the > quality of the declarations are an open problem. Isn't that a declaration! > All human knowledge is > constructed and as such is suspect > and therefor open to development. Another declaration? Will it never end? > Unfortunately your declarations are > either nonexistent or lay buried. Declaration or mere opinion, or both? > Perhaps you should bury your hard drive > with you. Or will you be incinerated? Incinerated: I'm already burnt up. > Either way your state is presently grim. Don't be too sure: I seem to suffer from incurable happiness. I think it's genetic. From my father's side. The curious thing is that I grew up with my mother's family, grim apes the lot of them... and here was this jolly kid always having a grand ole time living among them). It must have infuriated them no end (something always rather hilarious to me). > It seems you need this reflected. I own several mirrors. Albeit I have them all covered up now so that I can still live the illusion that I am seven years old! I'll uncover one of them ... last time I uncovered them was last time I had visitors (on account of some time ago other visitors accused me of being Dracula, and I had AN AWFUL time proving to everybody that I wasn't): Monkeys, can't live with'em- > -Tim (with more retort below) > >> There are no atheists in the human species. Anyone >> sez he's an atheist who then prays/prays and prays >> that he gets the job is a mere hypocrite (at best). > > I am an atheist. Hello: You are a hypocrite. Again you weren't reading! > This merely means that I do not believe in God. NOTE that you did not say "there is no God." Trust me: "hypocrite." > Prayer is closer to thought and intention When you propose something only God can affect, you are proposing God. USE YOUR BRAIN, sometime. > and may not be far from meditation. When you meditate on things God does, how could you possibly think you are NOT medicating [sic] on God?!? > These concepts are not directly tied to the > three letter word. When you use a metaphor that can only be alluding to God, it is to God you're alluding. How much more so when you directly allude to God's very name! > If you wish to define an abstract God we may > come to some resolution Perhaps when you learn to be honest with yourself --first. > but I will prefer the word reality to such a misuse > of the old egotistical construction. >>> The Abrahamic religions are false belief systems. >> Do these religious principles really require that >> they >> be correct? I mean, after all: Didn't the Maya keep >> the world from coming to an end for a thousand >> years >> by ripping the still beating hearts out of the >> breasts >> of their countless sacrificial victims? These >> things work. > > But do they work well? Hello! Kept the entire WORLD from coming to an end: ALL religions are saving Mankind, saving the universe, preserving existence itself... what more do you want?! > The current situation may be dismissed as > purely political, You mean this post? > but are the greivances of the Islamic > fundamentalists valid? You mean that non-Muslims are stubbornly refusing to join the blood-thirsty cult? Sure. Their religion says that people who refuse to join should be killed, man, woman, or child. It's the Maya all over again. Oh no, wait, the Maya only sacrificed enemy warriors: Islam is a much more primitive sort of barbarism. > Their unified mixture of tribal culture, > religion, and government is old and strong. > The American attention > deficit disorder does not allow for such > consideration. You should know: You can't even read a collection of old jokes.... http://poems.sdrodrian.com/470.htm > The maturity > of American politics is suspect, especially when > the leader preaches > that God is on his side. That's true. I think the President's poll numbers might improve if he started preaching that he's a Satan-worshipper instead... >>> Perhaps the situation for the individual is of >>> multiple identities. >> Don't woik: >> Multiple identifies = multiple taxation. > Yes. We already have multiple taxation: town, state, > nation ... But obviously you don't have a good tax consultant. You must be one of "the little people." >>> So I cannot rule out the media completely. >> Yeah! Nasty bastards all, who are always bending >> backwards to try to be unbiased and report only the >> facts when they should properly be the instruments >> of >> OUR propaganda/the voices of our biases/the petards >> of our prejudices! But, nooooooo! > > How often is it mentioned in the media that the US > is facing a long term foreign policy crisis? Like: EVERY TIME. You gotta stop commenting on things you never see/hear/read about/watch/know the least of! > Are we ever reminded that we helped to build the >Taliban? Every Democrat and independent commentator I ever saw on every news show repeats it. It's like, "You do know that bread is made with flour, don't you" Yeah-- > That the US and GB armed Saddam Hussein? I have not heard "we've got ants" mentioned more! (Green Bay armed Saddam Hussein--? Holy--! That I didn't know...) >> A financial crisis looms and dithering from >>> external >>> forces along with >>> another terrorist attack are a plausible end. Are you even on planet earth? Prove it: Explain to me what cows are. >>> It's >>> not going to be >>> pretty, but it is perhaps the right thing in terms >>> of global justice. Global justice is what justifies local injustices. Old as time. >> Yes. Well, it's a good thing Russia, China and Iran >> are there to pick up the slack if the United States >> falters in this world, no? Ho! Ho! Ho! > > The USA has played a large part in how these > countries that you > mention have come to be what they are. Then they are right to hate us. They're shit. > Your own sense of hostility is > exactly the tension of which I have spoken > elsewhere. Elsewhere I have spoken of ducks, and of chickens, and of ping pong playing wombats... >>> Of course, the US could stand down, join the ICC, >>> stop twisting the >>> rest of humanity around its interests... >> And implode into the most monumental economic crash >> ever seen on this earth since The Flood (which I'm >> sure won't even blow away a single leaf in the rest >> of the planet)... Ha! Ha! Ha! > > We'll see won't we? At some level we just watch > and see what unfolds. We do that at every level, the world is a colossal Colosseum, ain't it. >>> Morality has been a puzzle for philosophers yet it >>> is clear to me that >>> symmetry plays a fundamental role in the supply >>> of moral values. >> The more criminals that arise/the more cops we >> gotta hire: Yes, I'm beginning to see the symmetry >> of human behavior. > > No. I do accept that there are asymmetries in our > behavior. Where do you get asymmetries from symmetries? Are you a mathematician? > But in a > search for moral principles which we accept as > ideal symmetry would be > observed. Because if something makes us feel good, it is "obviously" good. We are bastards all, yes. > It is also a grave mistake to presume that others > operate exactly as ones self. I don't know. Medicine is based on that assumption. >>> We must exist in a >>> culture of false assumptions >> Who did you say made this unchallengeable judgment? > > Me. I thought as much, since it is a false assumption! > You are of course free to challenge it. Okay: "Coke is better than Pepsi." There! I win. > It is tiring to preface > everything with > 'I think/believe/...' .. From now on use: "Fuck you/Bite me/..." They'll pay more attention to you. They might even throw you in jail (which is like the highest amount of attention society can pay you). > So before everything I write you can just insert > this preface universally. You can insert my preface (above) before everything you write too: I even think it sounds funnier. And I like that. >> Yes. And I know which parts too, but, because by >> almost universal agreement, we term those parts >> "dirty," as a gentleman of the old school (in fact, >> I believe it's been torn down & carted away): I >> refuse to mention such terms. > > This is cryptic Some people just aren't equipt to discern the funny parts. Sometimes that can be rather funny too. > but I suppose there is a lack of tabboo in current > culture that you find distasteful. The only thing I find universally distasteful any more is cheese: I've eaten too much of it. > Still the open paradigm is strong > especially here on this medium which you choose > to use. She is a good medium. I have already spoken to everybody I know who's dead (brain dead). Good luck, S D Rodrian RE: On Aug 3, 11:16 am, Rob <robwil...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > And, of course, to 'prove' that no > magic is required you need to > explain (or eliminate) the beginning, > i.e. how something evolved from > nothing. -- Rob As I've said many times, and as (surely) you yourself must realize: "If Existence had to have had "a" beginning it could not exist." In a very real sense: There was always "something." AND/OR what now exists is another version/variation of Nothingness --Something which some scientists and theoreticians (including myself) like to swear is the case: SEE http://physics.sdrodrian.com/ In fact this is what makes it possible for the universe to continue "conserving" the energy of which it is made from larger/slower to smaller/faster ... for all eternity. We do not notice this eternal conservation of energy, of course. Except for the "force" we call "gravity." S D Rodrian On Aug 5, 3:31 pm, Chris L Peterson <c...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote: > You try to force the Universe to conform > with the limitations of your > imagination, rather than trying to > expand your ideas to encompass the > reality of the Universe. Pardon me for thinking. > I suspect the Universe is far different, > and far more interesting, than > the form you attempt to define > with your philosophy. EVOLUTION Horatio, believe Einstein (a very smart fellow) when he assures you that it is unlikely the universe began from complexity and more likely it began BECAUSE of ONE very simple principle... from which it evolved to the present level of complexity. > What came "before", > or whether any such concept as "before" > even has meaning, is currently > beyond our ability to know. When > that question is answered, however, it > will be by science (not philosophy)- > and it's perfectly possible that > the answer will be that there truly was nothing- > in any sense- before the BB. Chris L Peterson Dear Horatio, the very essence of analytical thinking is directly involved with understanding "what came before" FROM the study of "what exists now." (Ask your local police detectives & such.) .... Just as, hopefully, studying present conditions will tell us what's coming next: Which is, in sum, why the brain evolved --aside its body maintenance duties-- in the first place: that is, to predict the future. "If I jump in the creek the gator will eat me!" Even BigBangers understand that "something can not come out of nothing" and have thought up all sorts of sci-fy scenarios in which, for the most part, the Big Bang erupts (is, in fact, a puncture) from some other dimension/universe when hanging bedsheets (banes) "blowin' in the wind" touch the prick point (Big Bang!) through which it all then came to fill up our universe! Complexity creates the universe--Einstein sez, "Nix!" Unfortunately for them, this marvelous scenario better than anything I could possibly come up with (with all my wit), exemplifies the ancient circular argument against those who claim that God created the world: That, if God created the world, then the business of "origins" is no longer about the world's origin but about God's. The Big Bangers have themselves made the Big Bang as irrelevant as the God proponents have made the world. Please hand out the straitjackets so we can start arguing which God created God and which dimension created which dimension worlds without end. "Simplicity is the essence of elegance." Look. Let's be reasonable about this. And let's try to reduce it to its simplest and most logical (sanity): The nature of matter speaks about it being (speaking too poetically perhaps) "a mere swirl of energy." Everywhere we look into the subatomic world we "see" horrific/enormous amounts of energy "bound" in tiny swirls. And when we look out to the greater universe we see the unmistakable evolution of "the universe of stars" into "tighter swirls" called "black holes." SEE? ... One can look at "matter" as EITHER Something OR Nothing. Nothing could be simpler: After there are no more stars (atoms) there will be no more us. But there will be a universe (of black holes). In such a universe there may yet arise intelligent life--since we do not know the ultimate limitations of life... and it may be very difficult for those beings, perhaps, to imagine life (their forms of life, of course) possible in the universe of atoms/stars which existed before them. And they will know about our universe BECAUSE They will create monstrously powerful machines which will crash black holes (or tear them apart) until showers of galaxies pour out. In human lifetimes, these out-pouring galaxies will live for billions and billions of our years. But for the black hole physicists they will wink out perhaps after only a flash of one of their moments. Meanwhile, some fellow in our own universe is reading http://physics.sdrodrian.com and thinking: "How can our universe be a mere swirl of energy "shrinking" at the speed of light?! I'd notice it!" And then after all is said & done, perhaps only Dr. Seuss's philosophy (from amongst all that have peopled this noble race of ours) will have any truth/meaning left at all. Albeit, I doubt seriously there will be even one "black hole physicist" named Horton among the lot of'em. Look for beauty where it exists, Horatio. Close not your eyes to it and but curse the blackness. S D Rodrian RE: On Jul 22, 4:00 pm, bdbry...@wherever.ur (Bobby > In article <1184873139.211531.245...@d55g2000hsg. googlegroups.comBryant) wrote: >sdr <sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com> writes: > > > Existence is absolutely deterministic. > > Physicists have determined otherwise. > -- > Bobby Bryant > Reno, Nevada Don't bet on it, Bobby. Or, before you place that bet, at least consider THE SORT of "physicists" who have made the "claim" that there is a portion of existence where the laws of physics (i.e. determinism) do not apply. In essence, Quanta Theory is statistical analysis (it is BOUND to produce the most informed guess, but it is NEVER looking directly and absolutely at its subject in its totality). This explains its many (and continuing) successes; and why it ought to have no say --whatsoever-- in any discussion trying to settle the question of the nature of existence in its sum total. [You cannot have someone who is but guessing about exactly what it is he/she is looking at being the final arbiter of that thing's description--and no matter how well such a guess works in the meantime.] START QUOTE mccarthy@ writes: Mr. S D Rodrian, I have been reading scientific articles (i.e. space.com, nature.com, etc) and following the mainstream thinking (BB, string theory, QM, QP, extra dimensions, etc.) for the last 8-10 years and not understanding what all the fudge factors (dark energy, dark matter, etc.) are all about and why they were so illogical. With great difficulty, I managed to wrap my head around most of it except that in spite of all I read, I could never ever comprehend where a single photon emitted from a candle gets its insane energy and acceleration to travel that "fast" ( in all 3 dimensions ) and always regain its speed after being slowed down by some medium. It never occurred to me that a photon is created, suspended in 'place' while everything else is collapsing (imploding) towards, from, away or past this photon - depending on one's reference point. Your explanation clicked something I can understand and comprehend now in laymen's terms; and as you said, it should be simple enough for me to see everything from hereon out on my own. much appreciated, -eric eric, Thank you for your note. I was just now thinking about the implosion vs expansion (Big Bang, et al) dichotomy. And contemplating the endless number of nonsense required for the expansion model to "work" (not to mention all the things which actually put it into question)... while at the same time realizing that I have yet to find a single objection to my own implosion "viewpoint." I am more than willing to admit that if ever there is ANY objection (even the slightest), my entire theory would collapse--and I would be more than glad to admit it: If but a paperclip were to cast a doubt on it, that would be enough for me. And I would let others fight it out from here on out. But I have not yet run across even a paperclip objecting to it. And so I will continue to believe that the implosion model describes the universe --And that THAT is why everything appears to agree with it. Reality agrees with itself. I believe the world (of men) will slowly but eventually come around--One can only ignore the Sun in the sky so long. Good luck, S D Rodrian mccarthy@ wrote: To S D Rodrian: ....and I appreciate your reply. I am sure you get enough email to make it impossible to answer all of them. I am not a mathematician, physicist etc., just a plain M.Sc. from a canadian university. I have been trying to find some model that would explain the world around me for years now. Since "everybody" was so excited and united wrt the BBang, strings, "branes" concept, it appeared they just "must" be correct even though my logic couldn't get around all the complexities and hiccups involved in the BB model. This may sound silly, however, since I couldn't possibly get my head around the BB concept with crashing branes, multi-dimensions, etc. in its entirety, I had started compensating for the lack of logical flow in the BB th. by thinking about our universe as a computer generated, recursive, virtual reality simulation. The BBang being "somebody" throwing the switch and all the inconsistencies and contradictions in the model being programming mistakes. I thought of it all as a universe within universe(s) with time as such being relative and irrelevant. Right or wrong, your theory/explanation via imploding universe using laws of thermo-dynamics clicked with me and the logic of universe finally flows for me. It just makes plain sense. The fact I can now understand why photon behaves the way it behaves was well worth the 5- 6 hours it took me to read your material and absorb it. Great stuff. You certainly gave me a lot to think about...in a different light. thanks again, -eric mccarthy@ wrote: Hi, S D Rodrian: can this double-slit experiment: http://www.space.com/searchforlife/quantum_astronomy_041111.html be explained by the imploding universe model? How can a photon pass through two holes at the same time? thanks, -eric eric, I have sometimes thought it very well may. It might, were the photon to not only not "move" but also not "shrink" (however, this is self-evidently not the case, or light could never be "aimed"). But I have also had to admit that the double-slit experiment is too subject to interpretation for a slick answer (it's not just a matter of: ask a child what he/she is seeing and of course you'll never get the QM answer .... but that it also depends on a large number of assumptions about the nature of the photon, et al, going back to Thomas Young's 1803 version of the double-slit experiment and Newton's even older interpretations on the nature of light, all of which have to be absolutely correct): The QM interpretation is just that, one interpretation of the light refraction. And none of the QM interpretations HAVE TO BE correct: If they are ALL correct, however, then the answer is either indeed the imploding universe OR we are all insane. Hard to come up with a third alternative: Take the following quote from the article as the perfect hint of what quantum fundamentalists (extremists) are carried away with: "and ... nothing existing until it is observed, these are a few of the interpretations of quantum reality that are consistent with the experiments and observations." Every child understand that the answer to the ancient question of whether a falling tree really makes a noise if there is no one there to hear it fall is that YES IT DOES. But QM fundamentalists have not yet grown up even to the level of children (apparently). That's saying a lot. It is merely/purely/only/simply a display of the heights of human arrogance to claim that if WE cannot "measure" something "it cannot be measured." And yet we have made such a claim, as you can see! The point that "one cannot measure something so frail/delicate without the very act of measuring it changing its character/nature/displacement" is absolutely reasonable. But when one jumps from such reasonableness to the idea that "something does not have a definite position at a definite time--and ONLY the measurement/observation GIVES it that." Then one are talking logical insanity. One needs a doctor, not a science journal editor. Dr. Heisenberg wrote, "Some physicist would prefer to come back to the idea of an objective real world whose smallest parts exist objectively in the same sense as stones or trees exist independently of whether we observe them. This however is impossible." Quanta theory is one of the greatest mathematical tools ever devised to "peer" into the realms of things which will never be observed directly. But it is merely a form of statistical analysis. Period. The problem is that when QM theoreticians start "looking" into the world that can NEVER be seen, they start "seeing" everything in their heads there. And people's heads are teeming with squirming eecky nightmares. "Reality is absolutely deterministic." If ever you hear that "an experiment" has proven this wrong, you can be just as certain that it is the experiment that is wrong as if you had heard that the real Santa Claus was recently interviewed by Katie Curic. And no matter how much you trust the integrity of Katie Curic. "There are many ways we could go now in examining quantum results. If conscious observation is needed for the creation of an electron (this is one aspect of the Copenhagen Interpretation, the most popular version of quantum physics interpretations), then ideas about the origin of consciousness must be revised. If electrons in the brain create consciousness, but electrons require consciousness to exist, one is apparently caught in circular reasoning at best." The paragraph above is obviously a man struggling with his sanity. This is not science, this is psychology. Trust Einstein in this at least: The world is sane, period. When the "wise-ass kids" who came up with the "uncertainly principle" and other insanities by taking Quanta theory to its logical extremes were being lionized for saying things nobody even bothered to analyze in the light of day, all Einstein could say was that "God didn't play dice." In his quaint way, what he was saying was that "reality is deterministic." The alternative is "magic" (as described in extremist QM) and "utter insanity" (again, as described in extremist QM). Quantum mechanics, as statistical analysis, will always produce predictions which will bear out--It's what statistical analysis does: wear down the numbers to the most probable results. NOTE, above all (or, if nothing else) this crucial passage: "The answer is that each individual photon must - in order to have produced an interference pattern -- have gone through both slits! This, the simplest of quantum weirdness experiments, has been the basis of many of the unintuitive interpretations of quantum physics." And there you have one of the greatest examples of how just one very probably wrongly-interpreted experiment can lead an entire mob of zebu-people utterly crazy. The answer is NOT that the universe is magical and utterly insane. The answer is more likely that there is a simpler (and sane) explanation, after all. As I said above, it's very possible that what we are seeing is the photon acting very normally in an imploding universe, but I just don't have the time now to diagram all the steps. If you would like to, more power to you! It's (probably) very simple--and people shall laugh at why people should have thought it so difficult (as people have done since the dawn of time). S D Rodrian mccarthy@ wrote: Hi, S D Rodrian: you wrote: >> imploding universe, but I just don't >> have the time now >> to diagram all the steps. >> If you would like to, more >> that's fine; I just wondered if >> there is some simple >> explanation using a model we know >> - perhaps your analogy with cork, helium >> balloons, drag and so forth... Also, perhaps the experiment itself is flawed in some way i.e. how and when the photon is created, how it (photon) reacts with the medium through which it travels, what forces (el.magn.) iterfere with it when the size of the slits and the material itself is considered, etc. Anyway, I'd hate to speculate about something that I cant competently defend. thanks anyway; perhaps we'll know the answer in our lifetime... -eric eric, I actually saw the experiment carried out when I was very young. (It's actually something of a requirement.) Einstein was familiar with it too, and I don't wonder it might have been the reason he never came out more forcefully against the crazier QM claims. (Apparently, Einstein's confidence in Reality was only "relative," whereas my confidence in Reality is ... absolute.) I was rather impressed by it myself. And had (have) no explanation for it (not that I have even given it any serious time): However, not much later I watched a lady being sawed in half and was equally baffled. (And much more impressed... there were screams, and a gush of blood... and if I'd had a gun with me I don't know whether I might not have taken a shot at the bastard doing the sawing.) Was it all magic? The ONLY difference between the two "tricks" is that the magician sawing the lady in half only claimed his "magic" was real in jest. But, I assume, those who "perform" the double-slit experiment actually always believe in its "magic." Ah! Some time later some TV magician explained how the lady was sawed in half (and was later glued back up with no apparent ill effects to her health). And the whole thing was, rather quite embarrassingly, very childishly simple. I always regretted Einstein didn't attend that lady- sawing performance--What might his mind have made of it! Will the explanation for the double-slit trick (I mean "experiment") turn out to be as childishly simple? Who knows? (I don't.) But, this is certain: I think I'll wait (until they perform the experiment inside a Bose-Einstein condensate with the photon travelling at a few inches per hour or so ... so we can "see" it go through the two different slits at the same time and then bounce! against itself) before I make any real attempt to "explain" an "experiment" which (like the sawing-the-lady-in-half experiment) just doesn't seem to square with reality. And reality is the thing I am more inclined to trust, frankly. THINK: Were the answer, say, that the photon quanta is not inviolate and two photons are produced by the experiment, then a most marvelous violation of the conservation-of-energy laws would occur, and by merely forcing a single photon through infinitely doubling double-slit experiments... we could produce enough energy to blow up the whole universe if necessary! PLEASE always remember: When you insist to someone (who asks you whether a tree falling in the forest without anybody being there to hear it fall makes a noise) that, yes, it does and he/she then inevitably asks you: "How do YOU know?!" Don't be shy about pointing out that "identical conditions produce identical results" (and that millions of trees have fallen while people were present--and ALL of them made a noise of falling). So there! Similarly, when they ask you whether Schrodinger's cat is alive or dead. You ask how long it's been in the box. And if it's been in there a year ... that cat is dead, baby: "You can bury the box now." And without having to look inside, either. Some magic tricks are just easier to figure out than others. Please forgive me for not having given the double-slit experiment more thought. But perhaps now you understand why I never did. Good luck, S D Rodrian END QUOTE "Experiments which produce verifiable results can not be ignored, as they are the foundation and sustenance of science. But this does not mean that our immediate interpretations of those experiments are and will always be the correct ones." --SDR Finally: NOTE that the very fact that the double-slit experiment ALWAYS produces the same results (and does not merely have a propensity to do so) is evidence of the deterministic nature of existence regardless of whatever explanations we may prefer to give for the results: "Identical conditions always produce identical results." Period. Modern science is based on verifiable (reproducible) results. Everything else is lies, lies, and damned statistics. S D Rodrian Here is the text of the articles in question: Quantum Astronomy: The Double Slit Experiment By Laurance R. Doyle SETI Institute posted: 11 November 2004 This is a series of four articles each with a separate explanation of different quantum phenomena. Each of the four articles is a piece of a mosaic and so every one is needed to understand the final explanation of the quantum astronomy experiment we propose, possibly using the Allen Array Telescope and the narrow-band radio-wave detectors being build by the SETI Institute and the University of California, Berkeley. With the success of recent movies such as "What the &$@# Do We Know?" and the ongoing -- and continuously surprising -- revelations of the unexpected nature of underlying reality that have been unfolding in quantum physics for three-quarters of a century now, it may not be particularly surprising that the quantum nature of the universe may actually now be making in-roads into what has previously been considered classical observational astronomy. Quantum physics has been applied for decades to cosmology, and the strange "singularity" physics of black holes. It is also applicable to macroscopic effects such as Einstein-Bose condensates (extremely cold conglomerations of material that behave in non-classical ways) as well as neutron stars and even white dwarfs (which are kept from collapse, not by nuclear fusion explosions but by the Pauli Exclusion Principle - a process whereby no two elementary particles can have the same quantum state and therefore, in a sense, not collapse into each other). Well, congratulations if you have gotten through the first paragraph of this essay. I can't honestly tell you that things will get better, but I can say that to the intrepid reader things should get even more interesting. The famous quantum physicist Richard Feynmann once said essentially that anyone who thought he understood quantum physics did not understand it enough to understand that he did not actually understand it! In other words, no classical interpretation of quantum physics is the correct one. Parallel evolving universes (one being created every time a quantum-level choice is made), faster-than-light interconnectedness underlying everything, nothing existing until it is observed, these are a few of the interpretations of quantum reality that are consistent with the experiments and observations. There are many ways we could go now in examining quantum results. If conscious observation is needed for the creation of an electron (this is one aspect of the Copenhagen Interpretation, the most popular version of quantum physics interpretations), then ideas about the origin of consciousness must be revised. If electrons in the brain create consciousness, but electrons require consciousness to exist, one is apparently caught in circular reasoning at best. But for this essay, we shall not discuss quantum biology. Another path we might go down would be the application of quantum physics to cosmology -- either the Inflationary origin of the universe, or the Hawking evaporation of black holes, as examples. But our essay is not about this vast field either. Today we will discuss the scaling of the simple double-slit laboratory experiment to cosmic distances, what can truly be called, "quantum astronomy." The laboratory double-slit experiment contains a lot of the best aspects of the weirdness of quantum physics. It can involve various kinds of elementary particles, but for today's discussion we will be talking solely about light - the particle nature of which is called the "photon." A light shining through a small hole or slit (like in a pinhole camera) creates a spot of light on the screen (or film, or detector). However, light shown through two slits that are close together creates not two spots on the screen, but rather a series of alternating bright and dark lines with the brightest line in the exact middle of this interference pattern. This shows that light is a wave since such a pattern results from the interference of the waves coming from slit one (which we shall call "A") with the waves coming from slit two (which we shall call "B"). When peaks of waves from light source A meet peaks from light source B, they add and the bright lines are produced. Not far to the left and right of this brightness peak, however, peaks from A meet troughs from B (because the crests of the light waves are no longer aligned) and a dark line is produced. This alternates on either side until the visibility of the lines fades out. This pattern is simply called an "interference pattern" and Thomas Young used this experiment to demonstrate the wave nature of light in the early 19th Century. However, in the year 1900 physicist Max Planck showed that certain other effects in physics could only be explained by light being a particle. Many experiments followed to also show that light was indeed also a particle (a "photon") and Albert Einstein was awarded the Nobel Prize in physics in 1921 for his work showing that the particle nature of light could explain the "photoelectric effect." This was an experiment whereby low energy (red) light, when shining onto a photoelectric material, caused the material to emit low energy (slow moving) electrons, while high energy (blue) light caused the same material to emit high energy (fast moving) electrons. However, lots of red light only ever produced more low energy electrons, never any high-energy electrons. In other words, the energy could not be "saved up" but rather must be absorbed by the electrons in the photoelectric material individually. The conclusion was that light came in packets, little quantities, and behaved thus as a particle as well as a wave. So light is both a particle and a wave. OK, kind of unexpected (like Jell-O) but perhaps not totally weird. But the double slit experiment had another trick up its sleeve. One could send one photon (or "quantum" of energy) through a single slit at a time, with a sufficiently long interval in between, and eventually a spot builds up that looks just like the one produced when a very intense (many photons) light was sent through the slit. But then a strange thing happened. When one sends a single photon at a time (waiting between each laser pulse, for example) toward the screen when both slits are open, rather than two spots eventually building up opposite the two slit openings, what eventually builds up is the interference pattern of alternating bright and dark lines! Hmm... how can this be, if only one photon was sent through the apparatus at a time? The answer is that each individual photon must - in order to have produced an interference pattern -- have gone through both slits! This, the simplest of quantum weirdness experiments, has been the basis of many of the unintuitive interpretations of quantum physics. We can see, perhaps, how physicists might conclude, for example, that a particle of light is not a particle until it is measured at the screen. It turns out that the particle of light is rather a wave before it is measured. But it is not a wave in the ocean-wave sense. It is not a wave of matter but rather, it turns out that it is apparently a wave of probability. That is, the elementary particles making up the trees, people, and planets -- what we see around us -- are apparently just distributions of likelihood until they are measured (that is, measured or observed). So much for the Victorian view of solid matter! The shock of matter being largely empty space may have been extreme enough -- if an atom were the size of a huge cathedral, then the electrons would be dust particles floating around at all distances inside the building, while the nucleus, or center of the atom, would be smaller than a sugar cube. But with quantum physics, even this tenuous result would be superseded by the atom itself not really being anything that exists until it is measured. One might rightly ask, then, what does it mean to measure something? And this brings us to the Uncertainly Principle first discovered by Werner Heisenberg. Dr. Heisenberg wrote, "Some physicist would prefer to come back to the idea of an objective real world whose smallest parts exist objectively in the same sense as stones or trees exist independently of whether we observe them. This however is impossible." Perhaps that is enough to think about for now. So in the next essay we will examine, in some detail, the uncertainty principle as it relates to what is called "the measurement problem" in quantum physics. We shall find that the uncertainty principle will be the key to performing the double-slit experiment over astronomical distances, and demonstrating that quantum effects are not just microscopic phenomena, but can be extended across the cosmos. On Aug 7, 7:36 am, "andy" <th...@thought.com> wrote: > Hello, SDR! > > Slight correction - gravity is as a result > of the energy around us. Slight correction: Sweat is as a result of the energy around us. > We are > all part of the same 'mass' of energy that > was blown apart at the point of > the big bang. That is totally meaningless: You are saying: "Look but do not think!" I hate that. > It's one of the basic laws, energy > can not be created nor > destroyed, it just changes it's state. The universe as a result of an explosion is putting the horse before the cart. If you tell me, the universe and THEN it explodes it might be hard to imagine how, but at least it would not be counter-intuitive. > As for nothingness, impossible. Ah! Yet another man who believes there has always been death and taxes! (Me too!) > To > measure nothingness involves some form of > interaction, observer and event. Ha! You'd be surprised at how many people are even now in government measuring nothingness. > Not possible as event = action and reaction, and > in the event of nothingness > the equation can not be completed as you can > not oberve nothingness. Then what are all those strong-muscles gentlemen who say they're bending space really up to? On Aug 8, 10:31 am, Rob <robwil...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On 5 Aug, 12:14, sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com wrote: >> On Aug 3, 11:16 am, Rob <robwil...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >>> And, of course, to 'prove' that no magic is >>> required you need to >>> explain (or eliminate) the beginning, i.e. how >>> something evolved from nothing. -- Rob START QUOTE Look ... There is a slight misconception abroad in the land that a thermodynamic current can only arise when there is suddenly "more of something" to flow away towards where there is "less of it." [suggesting that because "something" cannot arise from "nothingness" only an act of "magic" could have given rise to the universe.] However, the fact is that regardless of how tenuous the broad/infinite expanse of Nothingness was, all that was really required was that "somewhere" the "Nothingness" should become even more tenuous still than generally, and then a thermodynamic current would have inevitably flowed towards that blessed spot. And because of Newton's laws of motion, that "spot" would have eventually become our universe (the concentration of so many, many somethings). SEE: http://physics.sdrodrian.com/ END QUOTE >> As I've said many times, and as (surely) you >> yourself >> must realize: "If Existence had to have had "a" >> beginning >> it could not exist." > >> In a very real sense: There was always "something." >> AND/OR what now exists is another version/variation >> of Nothingness--Something which some scientists >> and >> theoreticians (including myself) like to swear is >> the case: > >> In fact this is what makes it possible for the >> universe >> to continue "conserving" the energy of which it >> is made >> from larger/slower to smaller/faster ... for all >> eternity. > >> We do not notice this eternal conservation of >> energy, >> of course. Except for the "force" we call >> "gravity." > > That, and the argument on your website, is a > statement of belief. If I chose to believe in the laws of physics... let them take me where they're going to take me. > To > be a valid scientific theory it needs to propose > explanations from > which predictions can be made. Every prediction I have ever drawn from the conclusion that the universe is in implosion has proven true, from why the speed of light should be constant, to what really causes inertia, to the 1997 discovery that the universe is in acceleration, and not (as a big bang universe predicts AND was proven false) in deceleration. Further, an universe as an implosion makes "dark energy" and "dark matter" unnecessary. Use the model to come up with a thousand predictions more, and then watch them all be proven true. GO: http://physics.sdrodrian.com > These predictions then need to be > verified by independent, repeatable experiment. "No matter how you slice it an apple will ALWAYS prove to be an apple." There will be (and have already been) countless facts which will baffle/frustrate people who still believe the universe is the result of a big bang (no matter how many "proofs" they "find" to support it). And there has not been nor can there ever be even one substantial fact ever found which will contradict that the universe is in implosion: This is an absolutely black/white either/or matter. The universe is either the aftermath of a "big bang" (which contradicts the laws of physics and countless discoveries about how the universe works) or it is in implosion, which instantly explains everything about how it works & why it works that way... with not a single contradiction. It is the difference between what is true and what is not true. On Aug 5, 6:15 am, BernardZ <DontBot...@NOSPAM.com> wrote: > In article <1186209867.957163.147...@ r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, > sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com says... > >> Otherwise, what you have there is A THING >> brought into existence out of Nothingness. Or, >> "created" by magic (with no connection whatever >> to the laws of science, of nature, of physics). > > The big bang is magic? Strictly speaking, it is a myth. 1 a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon 2 a: a popular belief or tradition that has grown up around something or someone; especially: one embodying the ideals and institutions of a society or segment of society seduced by the American myth of individualism-- Orde Coombs b: an unfounded or false notion It comes from observing that the galaxies are receding from each other as if they were the gigantic remnants of an ancient explosion. ERGO: "Run the film backwards" and one HAD TO eventually end up at a "point" where the "big bang" took place. And now you know how the Big Bang Myth came about. I kid you not. "running the film backwards" is the experiment which "proved" the "reality" of the Big Bang Theory!!!!!!!!! On Aug 5, 11:04 pm, "'foolsrushin.'" <dolomi...@hotmail.com> wrote: > On 3 Aug, 03:53, SDR <sdrodr...@sdrodrian.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 21, 5:21 am, "'foolsrushin.'" <dolomi...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> All religions are local. >> Only science is universal. > >>> And, so, now, you are going to tell how, quite >>> accidently, of course, >>> you came to have your present opinions, God! >> Sure: I was in the wrong place >> at the wrong time. > > Where should we move you to - to get the > correct result? To the correct location. Thank you, S D Rodrian Jim S wrote: > On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:35:23 -0700, sdr wrote: > > I was going with that until you said > "BECAUSE OF Newton's Laws of Motion" > 'because of'? Jim S Yes. "BECAUSE OF" START QUOTE FROM: http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/history/newton3laws.html Newton's Three Laws of Motion Let us begin our explanation of how Newton changed our understanding of the Universe by enumerating his Three Laws of Motion. Newton's First Law of Motion: I. Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it. This we recognize as essentially Galileo's concept of inertia, and this is often termed simply the "Law of Inertia". Newton's Second Law of Motion: II. The relationship between an object's mass m, its acceleration a, and the applied force F is F = ma. Acceleration and force are vectors (as indicated by their symbols being displayed in slant bold font); in this law the direction of the force vector is the same as the direction of the acceleration vector. This is the most powerful of Newton's three Laws, because it allows quantitative calculations of dynamics: how do velocities change when forces are applied. Notice the fundamental difference between Newton's 2nd Law and the dynamics of Aristotle: according to Newton, a force causes only a change in velocity (an acceleration); it does not maintain the velocity as Aristotle held. This is sometimes summarized by saying that under Newton, F = ma, but under Aristotle F = mv, where v is the velocity. Thus, according to Aristotle there is only a velocity if there is a force, but according to Newton an object with a certain velocity maintains that velocity unless a force acts on it to cause an acceleration (that is, a change in the velocity). As we have noted earlier in conjunction with the discussion of Galileo, Aristotle's view seems to be more in accord with common sense, but that is because of a failure to appreciate the role played by frictional forces. Once account is taken of all forces acting in a given situation it is the dynamics of Galileo and Newton, not of Aristotle, that are found to be in accord with the observations. Newton's Third Law of Motion: III. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This law is exemplified by what happens if we step off a boat onto the bank of a lake: as we move in the direction of the shore, the boat tends to move in the opposite direction (leaving us facedown in the water, if we aren't careful!). END QUOTE >> Look ... There is a slight misconception abroad in the >> land that a thermodynamic current can only arise when >> there is suddenly "more of something" to flow away >> towards where there is "less of it." [suggesting that >> because "something" cannot arise from "nothingness" >> only an act of "magic" could have given rise to the >> universe.] However, the fact is that regardless of how >> tenuous the broad/infinite expanse of Nothingness was, >> all that was really required was that "somewhere" the >> "Nothingness" should become even more tenuous still >> than generally, and then a thermodynamic current would >> have inevitably flowed towards that blessed spot. And >> because of Newton's laws of motion, that "spot" would >> have eventually become our universe (the concentration >> of so many, many somethings). SEE: >> >> http://physics.sdrodrian.com/ The UNIVERSE' breeding area (the "more tenuous spot" above) would have been perfectly surrounded by "denser material" which would have crashed towards its center: Note that, in response to this motion {Law 3} a growing greater volume of that "denser area" would have "become less dense" ... as its "material" moved towards "the more tenuous spot," [the "area" from which "the material" was moving would have spread outwards BECAUSE OF Newton's Laws of Motion]. Additionally, the "thermodynamic flow" would have crashed towards the "center" of the less dense spot. And, necessarily, all the material flowing there from the surrounding areas would have had only itself to crash against (or, "to wind itself up unto itself" might be a more appropriate way of putting it): An effect which continues even unto this very day "there" --or "here," since "there" is the entirety of the/our visible universe (in other words, the universe of "matter" which has coalesced into "us"). S D Rodrian http://poems.sdrodrian.com http://physics.sdrodrian.com http://mp3s.sdrodrian.com All religions are local. Only science is universal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grendel Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 "What is Gravity?" There is not such thing as Gravity. The Earth just sucks. Yol Bolsun, Grendel. "After enough decimal places, no one gives a damn."-Solomon Short Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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