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Onideus Mad Hatter
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:22:44 +0000 (UTC), ThePsyko
<thepsyko@itookmyprozac.com> wrote:
>On 29 Oct 2008 I stormed the castle called alt.hackers.malicious and
>heard Rev Turd Fredericks cry out in
>news
OaOk.252789$5p1.237609@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com...
>
>> ThePsyko wrote:
>>> On 29 Oct 2008 I stormed the castle called alt.2600 and heard The
>>> Daring Dufas cry out in news:gea81q$otn$1@aioe.org...
>>>
>>>> ThePsyko wrote:
>>>>> http://volokh.com/files/USA_v._Crist,_order-1.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that getting hash files from a drive is protected under the
>>>>> Fourth Amendment, the only way around it is for non-LE personal to
>>>>> do a "private search" and THEN turn the contents over to LE (this
>>>>> bypasses the fourth amendment issue and removes the legal
>>>>> roadblock).
>>>>> But.. you have to hash the ENTIRE drive since the courts have
>>>>> ruled
>>>>> that each platter in the drive is a "seperate container" and if you
>>>>> miss just one it retains it's protection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't let those child abusing scumbags hide behind the very legal
>>>>> system they scoff at - hack a molester today!
>>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you would agree that anyone who harms
>>>> a child with more than a well deserved spanking
>>>> or other tactile reinforcement like a tazer,
>>>> thumbscrews, strangulation or defenestration
>>>> should be welded in a cage and poked with a sharp
>>>> stick at least once a day. This business of
>>>> putting someone in prison for having a picture
>>>> strikes me as a bit asinine. I could understand
>>>> if the picture or video was of him/her/it in the
>>>> act of abusing a child or him/her/it was behind
>>>> the camera and a willing participant in the abuse
>>>> but to imprison someone for just having a picture
>>>> makes about as much sense as putting someone in
>>>> jail for having a plant that grows wild everywhere.
>>>> I have pictures and videos of The Holocaust showing
>>>> what the Nazis did to both adults and children,
>>>> should I be imprisoned for possession of those?
>>>> If I have a picture or video of someone robbing a
>>>> bank, should I be jailed? The last two non-working
>>>> laptops I bought from pawn shops have had gay child
>>>> porn on them, I simply erased it instead of running
>>>> to the police like my hair was on fire. I remembered
>>>> a story about a poor fellow who found a bag of pot
>>>> and walked into a police station to turn it in. Guess
>>>> what happened to that hapless soul. There are some
>>>> strange folks who get off on looking at pictures of
>>>> what's called child porn but they have never harmed
>>>> a child. Putting someone like that in prison makes no
>>>> sense to me. The argument that they're going to run
>>>> out and molest children after seeing a picture is bogus.
>>>> If that's the case then why didn't I run out and murder
>>>> a pack of teenagers after seeing "Freddie vs Jason"?
>>>> I once saw the woman and the donkey film, I had my hands
>>>> in front of my face while I peeped through my fingers
>>>> all the while exclaiming "SHEESH!". I have yet to run
>>>> out and molest any farm animals. The gay child porn I
>>>> found on the laptops has not caused me to go molest
>>>> children so I'm inclined to believe that weirdos who
>>>> just look a kiddie porn are harmless. If someone sexually
>>>> abuses children, you can drop them in a big shredder
>>>> as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>
>>>> TDD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Tis why I worded my post very carefully
>>>
>>> "In a study analyzing men arrested for child pornography possession
>>> in the United States over a one year period from 2000 to 2001, most
>>> had pornographic images of prepubescent children (83%) and images
>>> graphically depicting sexual penetration (80%). Approximately 1 in 5
>>> (21%) had images depicting violence such as bondage, rape, or torture
>>> and most of those involved images of children who were gagged, bound,
>>> blindfolded, or otherwise enduring sadistic sex. More than 1 in 3
>>> (39%) had child- pornography videos with motion and sound. 79% also
>>> had what might be termed softcore images of nude or semi-nude
>>> children, but only 1% possessed such images alone. Law enforcement
>>> found about half (48%) had more than 100 graphic still images, and
>>> 14% had 1,000 or more graphic images. Forty percent (40%) were "dual
>>> offenders," who sexually victimized children and possessed child
>>> pornography. [25]"
>>>
>>> Other studies have found similar results with a majority of those
>>> arrested for possession of child pornography admitting to have
>>> sexually molested at least one child.
>>>
>>> According to the Mayo Clinic, studies and case reports indicate that
>>> 30% to 80% of individuals who viewed child pornography and 76% of
>>> individuals who were arrested for Internet child pornography had
>>> molested a child, however they note that it is difficult to know how
>>> many people progress from computerized child pornography to physical
>>> acts against children and how many would have progressed to physical
>>> acts without the computer being involved.
>>>
>>> When you consider the liklihood that the child depicted in the
>>> pictures/videos most likely does not want his/her picture in the
>>> hands of perverted old men masturbating to their image, does that not
>>> make a difference?
>>>
>>> According to the New York Times, "At least some men convicted of
>>> sexual abuse say that child pornography from the Internet fueled
>>> their urges. In a recent interview, one convicted pedophile serving a
>>> 14-year sentence in a Canadian federal prison said that looking at
>>> images online certainly gave him no release from his desires -
>>> exactly the opposite: 'Because there is no way I can look at a
>>> picture of a child on a video screen and not get turned on by that
>>> and want to do something about it.' he said."[34] According to the
>>> National District Attorneys Association, "In light of the documented
>>> link between individuals who view child pornography and individuals
>>> who actually molest children, each child pornography case should be
>>> viewed as a red flag to the possibility of actual child
>>> molestation."[37] The NCH has noted that many offending pedophiles
>>> "acknowledge that exposure to child abuse images fuels their sexual
>>> fantasies and plays an important part in leading them to commit
>>> hands-on sexual offenses against children."
>>>
>>>
>>> (quotes all taken from wikipedia)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The thing that makes me critical of those studies is that it's a
>> chicken before the egg thing. Are child molesters drawn to child
>> porn?, or does child porn make them do what they do?
>
>I'm sure it's the former. I don't think that looking at child porn is
>going to make 99% of the people that view it run out and molest some
>child.
Personally I like to use this comparison...I've got the hawts for Drew
Barrymore...seriously, I could fap off to that woman every day for the
rest of my life. I am absolutely without a doubt totally in love with
everything about her and would marry her in an instant and devote my
whole body, soul and life to her...but it's a fantasy. I know the
difference between fantasy and reality, I know that there's pretty
much zero chance in hell of my ultimate sexual desire ever coming true
and, you know what? I'm okay with that. It's sex, ya'know? It's not
like air or water where if you don't have them you're going to ****in
die. You don't NEED sex and certainly not ~PERFECT~ sex in order to
live. And since I'm not completely insane I would never stalk,
kidnap, or otherwise try and force the woman against her will to be
mine...because that's ****ing crazy!
Now then, swap me for a pedophile in that paragraph and swap Drew for
some random child.
See?
Sane people, pedophiles or not, just don't do crazy **** like that,
because it's completely ****in nuts! Now, granted, there are
psychotics out there who do kidnap, rape, murder, etc...not just
children, but adults as well. And I am absolutely convinced that if
you were to look at the comparative ratios between psychotic
pedophiles and psychotic adult rapists, you would find a nearly
identical match going by their individual populations. Being a
pedophile doesn't mean you go out raping children just as being a
heterosexual attracted to adult women doesn't make you a rapist. It's
the psychotics that are the problem, not the sexual interest. Same
as with most things really, like drugs for example. Drugs don't cause
addictions, people have addictions, those addictions will take
anything they can get, in whatever form to escape from their
problems/reality. The problem is with the PERSON not the substance.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ? x ?
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
saying, so much as what they're saying it for."
"Don't ever **** with someone who has more creativity than you do."
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."
"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."
"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."
"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"
"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."
"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."
"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"
"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."
"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."
"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."
"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. snicker ...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."
"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."
"Those who record history are those who control history."
"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."
"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."
"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"
"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."
"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )
<thepsyko@itookmyprozac.com> wrote:
>On 29 Oct 2008 I stormed the castle called alt.hackers.malicious and
>heard Rev Turd Fredericks cry out in
>news
OaOk.252789$5p1.237609@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com... >
>> ThePsyko wrote:
>>> On 29 Oct 2008 I stormed the castle called alt.2600 and heard The
>>> Daring Dufas cry out in news:gea81q$otn$1@aioe.org...
>>>
>>>> ThePsyko wrote:
>>>>> http://volokh.com/files/USA_v._Crist,_order-1.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that getting hash files from a drive is protected under the
>>>>> Fourth Amendment, the only way around it is for non-LE personal to
>>>>> do a "private search" and THEN turn the contents over to LE (this
>>>>> bypasses the fourth amendment issue and removes the legal
>>>>> roadblock).
>>>>> But.. you have to hash the ENTIRE drive since the courts have
>>>>> ruled
>>>>> that each platter in the drive is a "seperate container" and if you
>>>>> miss just one it retains it's protection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't let those child abusing scumbags hide behind the very legal
>>>>> system they scoff at - hack a molester today!
>>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you would agree that anyone who harms
>>>> a child with more than a well deserved spanking
>>>> or other tactile reinforcement like a tazer,
>>>> thumbscrews, strangulation or defenestration
>>>> should be welded in a cage and poked with a sharp
>>>> stick at least once a day. This business of
>>>> putting someone in prison for having a picture
>>>> strikes me as a bit asinine. I could understand
>>>> if the picture or video was of him/her/it in the
>>>> act of abusing a child or him/her/it was behind
>>>> the camera and a willing participant in the abuse
>>>> but to imprison someone for just having a picture
>>>> makes about as much sense as putting someone in
>>>> jail for having a plant that grows wild everywhere.
>>>> I have pictures and videos of The Holocaust showing
>>>> what the Nazis did to both adults and children,
>>>> should I be imprisoned for possession of those?
>>>> If I have a picture or video of someone robbing a
>>>> bank, should I be jailed? The last two non-working
>>>> laptops I bought from pawn shops have had gay child
>>>> porn on them, I simply erased it instead of running
>>>> to the police like my hair was on fire. I remembered
>>>> a story about a poor fellow who found a bag of pot
>>>> and walked into a police station to turn it in. Guess
>>>> what happened to that hapless soul. There are some
>>>> strange folks who get off on looking at pictures of
>>>> what's called child porn but they have never harmed
>>>> a child. Putting someone like that in prison makes no
>>>> sense to me. The argument that they're going to run
>>>> out and molest children after seeing a picture is bogus.
>>>> If that's the case then why didn't I run out and murder
>>>> a pack of teenagers after seeing "Freddie vs Jason"?
>>>> I once saw the woman and the donkey film, I had my hands
>>>> in front of my face while I peeped through my fingers
>>>> all the while exclaiming "SHEESH!". I have yet to run
>>>> out and molest any farm animals. The gay child porn I
>>>> found on the laptops has not caused me to go molest
>>>> children so I'm inclined to believe that weirdos who
>>>> just look a kiddie porn are harmless. If someone sexually
>>>> abuses children, you can drop them in a big shredder
>>>> as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>
>>>> TDD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Tis why I worded my post very carefully
>>>
>>> "In a study analyzing men arrested for child pornography possession
>>> in the United States over a one year period from 2000 to 2001, most
>>> had pornographic images of prepubescent children (83%) and images
>>> graphically depicting sexual penetration (80%). Approximately 1 in 5
>>> (21%) had images depicting violence such as bondage, rape, or torture
>>> and most of those involved images of children who were gagged, bound,
>>> blindfolded, or otherwise enduring sadistic sex. More than 1 in 3
>>> (39%) had child- pornography videos with motion and sound. 79% also
>>> had what might be termed softcore images of nude or semi-nude
>>> children, but only 1% possessed such images alone. Law enforcement
>>> found about half (48%) had more than 100 graphic still images, and
>>> 14% had 1,000 or more graphic images. Forty percent (40%) were "dual
>>> offenders," who sexually victimized children and possessed child
>>> pornography. [25]"
>>>
>>> Other studies have found similar results with a majority of those
>>> arrested for possession of child pornography admitting to have
>>> sexually molested at least one child.
>>>
>>> According to the Mayo Clinic, studies and case reports indicate that
>>> 30% to 80% of individuals who viewed child pornography and 76% of
>>> individuals who were arrested for Internet child pornography had
>>> molested a child, however they note that it is difficult to know how
>>> many people progress from computerized child pornography to physical
>>> acts against children and how many would have progressed to physical
>>> acts without the computer being involved.
>>>
>>> When you consider the liklihood that the child depicted in the
>>> pictures/videos most likely does not want his/her picture in the
>>> hands of perverted old men masturbating to their image, does that not
>>> make a difference?
>>>
>>> According to the New York Times, "At least some men convicted of
>>> sexual abuse say that child pornography from the Internet fueled
>>> their urges. In a recent interview, one convicted pedophile serving a
>>> 14-year sentence in a Canadian federal prison said that looking at
>>> images online certainly gave him no release from his desires -
>>> exactly the opposite: 'Because there is no way I can look at a
>>> picture of a child on a video screen and not get turned on by that
>>> and want to do something about it.' he said."[34] According to the
>>> National District Attorneys Association, "In light of the documented
>>> link between individuals who view child pornography and individuals
>>> who actually molest children, each child pornography case should be
>>> viewed as a red flag to the possibility of actual child
>>> molestation."[37] The NCH has noted that many offending pedophiles
>>> "acknowledge that exposure to child abuse images fuels their sexual
>>> fantasies and plays an important part in leading them to commit
>>> hands-on sexual offenses against children."
>>>
>>>
>>> (quotes all taken from wikipedia)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The thing that makes me critical of those studies is that it's a
>> chicken before the egg thing. Are child molesters drawn to child
>> porn?, or does child porn make them do what they do?
>
>I'm sure it's the former. I don't think that looking at child porn is
>going to make 99% of the people that view it run out and molest some
>child.
Personally I like to use this comparison...I've got the hawts for Drew
Barrymore...seriously, I could fap off to that woman every day for the
rest of my life. I am absolutely without a doubt totally in love with
everything about her and would marry her in an instant and devote my
whole body, soul and life to her...but it's a fantasy. I know the
difference between fantasy and reality, I know that there's pretty
much zero chance in hell of my ultimate sexual desire ever coming true
and, you know what? I'm okay with that. It's sex, ya'know? It's not
like air or water where if you don't have them you're going to ****in
die. You don't NEED sex and certainly not ~PERFECT~ sex in order to
live. And since I'm not completely insane I would never stalk,
kidnap, or otherwise try and force the woman against her will to be
mine...because that's ****ing crazy!
Now then, swap me for a pedophile in that paragraph and swap Drew for
some random child.
See?
Sane people, pedophiles or not, just don't do crazy **** like that,
because it's completely ****in nuts! Now, granted, there are
psychotics out there who do kidnap, rape, murder, etc...not just
children, but adults as well. And I am absolutely convinced that if
you were to look at the comparative ratios between psychotic
pedophiles and psychotic adult rapists, you would find a nearly
identical match going by their individual populations. Being a
pedophile doesn't mean you go out raping children just as being a
heterosexual attracted to adult women doesn't make you a rapist. It's
the psychotics that are the problem, not the sexual interest. Same
as with most things really, like drugs for example. Drugs don't cause
addictions, people have addictions, those addictions will take
anything they can get, in whatever form to escape from their
problems/reality. The problem is with the PERSON not the substance.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ? x ?
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
Hatter Quotes
-------------
"When I listen to people I don't really listen to what it is they're
saying, so much as what they're saying it for."
"Don't ever **** with someone who has more creativity than you do."
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."
"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."
"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."
"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the **** up!"
"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."
"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."
"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"
"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."
"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."
"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."
"People are pretty ****ing high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. snicker ...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."
"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."
"Those who record history are those who control history."
"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."
"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."
"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"
"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."
"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )