Right Wing shrieking whiners squeal about their "debate"

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From The Los Angeles Times, 11/30/07:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...,1,6572347.story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true

The right views YouTube questioners, cries foul

Democratic partisans were allowed to put Republican hopefuls on the
spot by CNN, Internet talkers say.

By James Rainey, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer


Conservative Internet commentators were buzzing Thursday with
accusations that producers had skewed the CNN-YouTube presidential
debate by allowing Democratic partisans to pose tough questions to the
Republican contenders.

Several bloggers said CNN had betrayed a liberal bias by selecting
questions designed to put the eight presidential candidates on the
defensive.

But executives at the cable-TV network said they were proud of
Wednesday night's debate and had simply chosen 33 questions -- from
nearly 5,000 submitted by videotape -- that would prompt a spirited
and substantive discussion.

A review by the Los Angeles Times of the debate sponsored by CNN and
YouTube four months ago found that the Democratic presidential
candidates also faced queries that seemed to come from the
conservative perspective.

At least two of the citizen-interrogators had clear GOP leanings.

"We were looking for people who were interested enough in the process
to ask a question," Sam Feist, CNN's political director, said
Thursday.

"We didn't inquire about people's ideological beliefs, and that wasn't
relevant. . . . We were looking for questions that would make for an
interesting debate."

Feist said that the high number of viewers who watched the two-hour
session was proof that the network and the video- sharing service
YouTube had achieved that goal.

Nearly 5 million people tuned in, a record audience for cable
television coverage of a primary debate, CNN said.

Controversy over the content of video questions began almost as soon
as the broadcast ended, when Republican former Education Secretary
William J. Bennett said on CNN that one of the questioners had ties to
the presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).

Retired Brig. Gen. Keith Kerr, who is gay, had asked the candidates
why gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to serve openly in the
military.

Kerr is a member of a steering committee for Clinton on gay and
lesbian issues.

Although the retired military man and Clinton's camp said the
Democratic candidate had nothing to do with the question, CNN
apologized.

David Bohrman, executive producer of the debate, said the network
wanted to avoid "gotcha" questions from clear Democratic partisans and
would not have allowed the query if it had known of Kerr's ties to the
Clinton campaign.

But several Internet commentators said the cable-TV network should
have screened out Democratic partisans, who they said "hijacked" the
Republican forum.

In postings that popped up throughout the day Thursday, they said
that:

A Texas woman identified only as "Journey," who asked if women should
be punished for having abortions, had appeared in another YouTube
video wearing a "John Edwards '08" T-shirt; a man asking a question
during the debate about gay rights had also appeared on a social
networking site as a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), and a
Manhattan Beach man -- while tasting an ear of corn and asking a tough
question about farm subsidies -- had once worked as a summer intern
for Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice).

Jay Tea was one of several to complain, writing at the blog Wizbang:

"Those were good, solid questions. But CNN, by playing by completely
contradictory standards for its questioners at debates, betrays its
bias: the Democrats get to stack their questions to make their
candidates look good; the Republicans find themselves having to squirm
and evade, or give concrete answers that won't make some people very
happy."

But, CNN's Feist said, conservative commentators did not complain when
questioners who shared their political ideology had videos aired
during the Democratic forum in July.

During that session, one video questioner asked the candidates to
choose between raising taxes or cutting benefits in order to save
Social Security.

Another demanded to know whether taxes would rise "like usually they
do when a Democrat comes in office."

A third featured a gun-toting Michigan man, who in an interview
Thursday said he had voted twice for President Bush, who wanted to
know if the Democrats would protect his "baby" -- an assault rifle he
cradled in his arms.

Another questioner from that forum who seemed to have clear
conservative credentials was John McAlpin, a sailor who asked Clinton:
"How do you think you would be taken seriously" by Arab and Muslim
nations that treat women as "second-class citizens"?

McAlpin's MySpace page features pictures of Rudolph W. Giuliani, the
former New York mayor and Republican presidential candidate.

It depicts Fox commentator Bill O'Reilly as a friend, while offering a
caricature of a bearded, turban-wearing "Borat Hussein Obama" -- a
derogatory reference to Obama, the Democratic candidate who as a youth
attended a Muslim school.

CNN officials said that in the Democratic debate, as in Wednesday's
Republican encounter, they had not attempted to determine the party or
ideology of the questioners.

______________________________________________

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Harry
 
In article <fh70l3tmloqms2h76146t4b51lhob6k26b@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> From The Los Angeles Times, 11/30/07:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-youtube30nov30,1,6572347.
> story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true
>
> The right views YouTube questioners, cries foul
>
> Democratic partisans were allowed to put Republican hopefuls on the
> spot by CNN, Internet talkers say.
>
> By James Rainey, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
>
>
> Conservative Internet commentators were buzzing Thursday with
> accusations that producers had skewed the CNN-YouTube presidential
> debate by allowing Democratic partisans to pose tough questions to the
> Republican contenders.
>
> Several bloggers said CNN had betrayed a liberal bias by selecting
> questions designed to put the eight presidential candidates on the
> defensive.
>
> But executives at the cable-TV network said they were proud of
> Wednesday night's debate and had simply chosen 33 questions -- from
> nearly 5,000 submitted by videotape -- that would prompt a spirited
> and substantive discussion.
>
> A review by the Los Angeles Times of the debate sponsored by CNN and
> YouTube four months ago found that the Democratic presidential
> candidates also faced queries that seemed to come from the
> conservative perspective.
>
> At least two of the citizen-interrogators had clear GOP leanings.
>
> "We were looking for people who were interested enough in the process
> to ask a question," Sam Feist, CNN's political director, said
> Thursday.
>
> "We didn't inquire about people's ideological beliefs, and that wasn't
> relevant. . . . We were looking for questions that would make for an
> interesting debate."
>
> Feist said that the high number of viewers who watched the two-hour
> session was proof that the network and the video- sharing service
> YouTube had achieved that goal.
>
> Nearly 5 million people tuned in, a record audience for cable
> television coverage of a primary debate, CNN said.
>
> Controversy over the content of video questions began almost as soon
> as the broadcast ended, when Republican former Education Secretary
> William J. Bennett said on CNN that one of the questioners had ties to
> the presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).
>
> Retired Brig. Gen. Keith Kerr, who is gay, had asked the candidates
> why gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to serve openly in the
> military.
>
> Kerr is a member of a steering committee for Clinton on gay and
> lesbian issues.
>
> Although the retired military man and Clinton's camp said the
> Democratic candidate had nothing to do with the question, CNN
> apologized.
>
> David Bohrman, executive producer of the debate, said the network
> wanted to avoid "gotcha" questions from clear Democratic partisans and
> would not have allowed the query if it had known of Kerr's ties to the
> Clinton campaign.
>
> But several Internet commentators said the cable-TV network should
> have screened out Democratic partisans, who they said "hijacked" the
> Republican forum.
>
> In postings that popped up throughout the day Thursday, they said
> that:
>
> A Texas woman identified only as "Journey," who asked if women should
> be punished for having abortions, had appeared in another YouTube
> video wearing a "John Edwards '08" T-shirt; a man asking a question
> during the debate about gay rights had also appeared on a social
> networking site as a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), and a
> Manhattan Beach man -- while tasting an ear of corn and asking a tough
> question about farm subsidies -- had once worked as a summer intern
> for Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice).
>
> Jay Tea was one of several to complain, writing at the blog Wizbang:
>
> "Those were good, solid questions. But CNN, by playing by completely
> contradictory standards for its questioners at debates, betrays its
> bias: the Democrats get to stack their questions to make their
> candidates look good; the Republicans find themselves having to squirm
> and evade, or give concrete answers that won't make some people very
> happy."
>
> But, CNN's Feist said, conservative commentators did not complain when
> questioners who shared their political ideology had videos aired
> during the Democratic forum in July.
>
> During that session, one video questioner asked the candidates to
> choose between raising taxes or cutting benefits in order to save
> Social Security.
>
> Another demanded to know whether taxes would rise "like usually they
> do when a Democrat comes in office."
>
> A third featured a gun-toting Michigan man, who in an interview
> Thursday said he had voted twice for President Bush, who wanted to
> know if the Democrats would protect his "baby" -- an assault rifle he
> cradled in his arms.
>
> Another questioner from that forum who seemed to have clear
> conservative credentials was John McAlpin, a sailor who asked Clinton:
> "How do you think you would be taken seriously" by Arab and Muslim
> nations that treat women as "second-class citizens"?
>
> McAlpin's MySpace page features pictures of Rudolph W. Giuliani, the
> former New York mayor and Republican presidential candidate.
>
> It depicts Fox commentator Bill O'Reilly as a friend, while offering a
> caricature of a bearded, turban-wearing "Borat Hussein Obama" -- a
> derogatory reference to Obama, the Democratic candidate who as a youth
> attended a Muslim school.
>
> CNN officials said that in the Democratic debate, as in Wednesday's
> Republican encounter, they had not attempted to determine the party or
> ideology of the questioners.
>
> ______________________________________________
>
> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>
> Harry



When are the right and FOX News going to learn that planting questions
(CNN), staging a vehicle fire (NBC), and faking documents (CBS), is just
good 'ol fashioned, hard-hitting journalism?

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/30/cnns-dont-ask-dont-tell-policy/
 
Don Tazemebro <cattleprod@aol.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:

> In article <fh70l3tmloqms2h76146t4b51lhob6k26b@4ax.com>,
> Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> From The Los Angeles Times, 11/30/07:
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-youtube30nov30,1,
>> 6572347. story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true
>>
>> The right views YouTube questioners, cries foul
>>
>> Democratic partisans were allowed to put Republican hopefuls on the
>> spot by CNN, Internet talkers say.
>>
>> By James Rainey, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
>>
>>
>> Conservative Internet commentators were buzzing Thursday with
>> accusations that producers had skewed the CNN-YouTube presidential
>> debate by allowing Democratic partisans to pose tough questions to
>> the Republican contenders.
>>
>> Several bloggers said CNN had betrayed a liberal bias by selecting
>> questions designed to put the eight presidential candidates on the
>> defensive.
>>
>> But executives at the cable-TV network said they were proud of
>> Wednesday night's debate and had simply chosen 33 questions -- from
>> nearly 5,000 submitted by videotape -- that would prompt a spirited
>> and substantive discussion.
>>
>> A review by the Los Angeles Times of the debate sponsored by CNN and
>> YouTube four months ago found that the Democratic presidential
>> candidates also faced queries that seemed to come from the
>> conservative perspective.
>>
>> At least two of the citizen-interrogators had clear GOP leanings.
>>
>> "We were looking for people who were interested enough in the process
>> to ask a question," Sam Feist, CNN's political director, said
>> Thursday.
>>
>> "We didn't inquire about people's ideological beliefs, and that
>> wasn't relevant. . . . We were looking for questions that would make
>> for an interesting debate."
>>
>> Feist said that the high number of viewers who watched the two-hour
>> session was proof that the network and the video- sharing service
>> YouTube had achieved that goal.
>>
>> Nearly 5 million people tuned in, a record audience for cable
>> television coverage of a primary debate, CNN said.
>>
>> Controversy over the content of video questions began almost as soon
>> as the broadcast ended, when Republican former Education Secretary
>> William J. Bennett said on CNN that one of the questioners had ties
>> to the presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).
>>
>> Retired Brig. Gen. Keith Kerr, who is gay, had asked the candidates
>> why gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to serve openly in the
>> military.
>>
>> Kerr is a member of a steering committee for Clinton on gay and
>> lesbian issues.
>>
>> Although the retired military man and Clinton's camp said the
>> Democratic candidate had nothing to do with the question, CNN
>> apologized.
>>
>> David Bohrman, executive producer of the debate, said the network
>> wanted to avoid "gotcha" questions from clear Democratic partisans
>> and would not have allowed the query if it had known of Kerr's ties
>> to the Clinton campaign.
>>
>> But several Internet commentators said the cable-TV network should
>> have screened out Democratic partisans, who they said "hijacked" the
>> Republican forum.
>>
>> In postings that popped up throughout the day Thursday, they said
>> that:
>>
>> A Texas woman identified only as "Journey," who asked if women should
>> be punished for having abortions, had appeared in another YouTube
>> video wearing a "John Edwards '08" T-shirt; a man asking a question
>> during the debate about gay rights had also appeared on a social
>> networking site as a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), and a
>> Manhattan Beach man -- while tasting an ear of corn and asking a
>> tough question about farm subsidies -- had once worked as a summer
>> intern for Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice).
>>
>> Jay Tea was one of several to complain, writing at the blog Wizbang:
>>
>> "Those were good, solid questions. But CNN, by playing by completely
>> contradictory standards for its questioners at debates, betrays its
>> bias: the Democrats get to stack their questions to make their
>> candidates look good; the Republicans find themselves having to
>> squirm and evade, or give concrete answers that won't make some
>> people very happy."
>>
>> But, CNN's Feist said, conservative commentators did not complain
>> when questioners who shared their political ideology had videos aired
>> during the Democratic forum in July.
>>
>> During that session, one video questioner asked the candidates to
>> choose between raising taxes or cutting benefits in order to save
>> Social Security.
>>
>> Another demanded to know whether taxes would rise "like usually they
>> do when a Democrat comes in office."
>>
>> A third featured a gun-toting Michigan man, who in an interview
>> Thursday said he had voted twice for President Bush, who wanted to
>> know if the Democrats would protect his "baby" -- an assault rifle he
>> cradled in his arms.
>>
>> Another questioner from that forum who seemed to have clear
>> conservative credentials was John McAlpin, a sailor who asked
>> Clinton: "How do you think you would be taken seriously" by Arab and
>> Muslim nations that treat women as "second-class citizens"?
>>
>> McAlpin's MySpace page features pictures of Rudolph W. Giuliani, the
>> former New York mayor and Republican presidential candidate.
>>
>> It depicts Fox commentator Bill O'Reilly as a friend, while offering
>> a caricature of a bearded, turban-wearing "Borat Hussein Obama" -- a
>> derogatory reference to Obama, the Democratic candidate who as a
>> youth attended a Muslim school.
>>
>> CNN officials said that in the Democratic debate, as in Wednesday's
>> Republican encounter, they had not attempted to determine the party
>> or ideology of the questioners.
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>
>> Harry

>
>
> When are the right and FOX News going to learn that planting questions
> (CNN), staging a vehicle fire (NBC), and faking documents (CBS), is
> just good 'ol fashioned, hard-hitting journalism?


Any candidate like Rudy or Mitt or Fred who whines that a member of the
public asking them a question also happens to be someone who works in a
minor role on a campaign for a candidate of the other party is entirely
unfit to reside in the White House. Or even be a guest of it.

Republicans: trying to manufacture scandals where there are none
 
Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:

> Don Tazemebro <cattleprod@aol.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
>
>
>>In article <fh70l3tmloqms2h76146t4b51lhob6k26b@4ax.com>,
>> Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From The Los Angeles Times, 11/30/07:
>>>http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-youtube30nov30,1,
>>>6572347. story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true
>>>
>>>The right views YouTube questioners, cries foul
>>>
>>>Democratic partisans were allowed to put Republican hopefuls on the
>>>spot by CNN, Internet talkers say.
>>>
>>>By James Rainey, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
>>>
>>>
>>>Conservative Internet commentators were buzzing Thursday with
>>>accusations that producers had skewed the CNN-YouTube presidential
>>>debate by allowing Democratic partisans to pose tough questions to
>>>the Republican contenders.
>>>
>>>Several bloggers said CNN had betrayed a liberal bias by selecting
>>>questions designed to put the eight presidential candidates on the
>>>defensive.
>>>
>>>But executives at the cable-TV network said they were proud of
>>>Wednesday night's debate and had simply chosen 33 questions -- from
>>>nearly 5,000 submitted by videotape -- that would prompt a spirited
>>>and substantive discussion.
>>>
>>>A review by the Los Angeles Times of the debate sponsored by CNN and
>>>YouTube four months ago found that the Democratic presidential
>>>candidates also faced queries that seemed to come from the
>>>conservative perspective.
>>>
>>>At least two of the citizen-interrogators had clear GOP leanings.
>>>
>>>"We were looking for people who were interested enough in the process
>>>to ask a question," Sam Feist, CNN's political director, said
>>>Thursday.
>>>
>>>"We didn't inquire about people's ideological beliefs, and that
>>>wasn't relevant. . . . We were looking for questions that would make
>>>for an interesting debate."
>>>
>>>Feist said that the high number of viewers who watched the two-hour
>>>session was proof that the network and the video- sharing service
>>>YouTube had achieved that goal.
>>>
>>>Nearly 5 million people tuned in, a record audience for cable
>>>television coverage of a primary debate, CNN said.
>>>
>>>Controversy over the content of video questions began almost as soon
>>>as the broadcast ended, when Republican former Education Secretary
>>>William J. Bennett said on CNN that one of the questioners had ties
>>>to the presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).
>>>
>>>Retired Brig. Gen. Keith Kerr, who is gay, had asked the candidates
>>>why gays and lesbians shouldn't be allowed to serve openly in the
>>>military.
>>>
>>>Kerr is a member of a steering committee for Clinton on gay and
>>>lesbian issues.
>>>
>>>Although the retired military man and Clinton's camp said the
>>>Democratic candidate had nothing to do with the question, CNN
>>>apologized.
>>>
>>>David Bohrman, executive producer of the debate, said the network
>>>wanted to avoid "gotcha" questions from clear Democratic partisans
>>>and would not have allowed the query if it had known of Kerr's ties
>>>to the Clinton campaign.
>>>
>>>But several Internet commentators said the cable-TV network should
>>>have screened out Democratic partisans, who they said "hijacked" the
>>>Republican forum.
>>>
>>>In postings that popped up throughout the day Thursday, they said
>>>that:
>>>
>>>A Texas woman identified only as "Journey," who asked if women should
>>>be punished for having abortions, had appeared in another YouTube
>>>video wearing a "John Edwards '08" T-shirt; a man asking a question
>>>during the debate about gay rights had also appeared on a social
>>>networking site as a supporter of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), and a
>>>Manhattan Beach man -- while tasting an ear of corn and asking a
>>>tough question about farm subsidies -- had once worked as a summer
>>>intern for Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice).
>>>
>>>Jay Tea was one of several to complain, writing at the blog Wizbang:
>>>
>>>"Those were good, solid questions. But CNN, by playing by completely
>>>contradictory standards for its questioners at debates, betrays its
>>>bias: the Democrats get to stack their questions to make their
>>>candidates look good; the Republicans find themselves having to
>>>squirm and evade, or give concrete answers that won't make some
>>>people very happy."
>>>
>>>But, CNN's Feist said, conservative commentators did not complain
>>>when questioners who shared their political ideology had videos aired
>>>during the Democratic forum in July.
>>>
>>>During that session, one video questioner asked the candidates to
>>>choose between raising taxes or cutting benefits in order to save
>>>Social Security.
>>>
>>>Another demanded to know whether taxes would rise "like usually they
>>>do when a Democrat comes in office."
>>>
>>>A third featured a gun-toting Michigan man, who in an interview
>>>Thursday said he had voted twice for President Bush, who wanted to
>>>know if the Democrats would protect his "baby" -- an assault rifle he
>>>cradled in his arms.
>>>
>>>Another questioner from that forum who seemed to have clear
>>>conservative credentials was John McAlpin, a sailor who asked
>>>Clinton: "How do you think you would be taken seriously" by Arab and
>>>Muslim nations that treat women as "second-class citizens"?
>>>
>>>McAlpin's MySpace page features pictures of Rudolph W. Giuliani, the
>>>former New York mayor and Republican presidential candidate.
>>>
>>>It depicts Fox commentator Bill O'Reilly as a friend, while offering
>>>a caricature of a bearded, turban-wearing "Borat Hussein Obama" -- a
>>>derogatory reference to Obama, the Democratic candidate who as a
>>>youth attended a Muslim school.
>>>
>>>CNN officials said that in the Democratic debate, as in Wednesday's
>>>Republican encounter, they had not attempted to determine the party
>>>or ideology of the questioners.
>>>
>>>______________________________________________
>>>
>>>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>>
>>>Harry

>>
>>
>>When are the right and FOX News going to learn that planting questions
>>(CNN), staging a vehicle fire (NBC), and faking documents (CBS), is
>>just good 'ol fashioned, hard-hitting journalism?

>
>
> Any candidate like Rudy or Mitt or Fred who whines that a member of the
> public asking them a question also happens to be someone who works in a
> minor role on a campaign for a candidate of the other party is entirely
> unfit to reside in the White House. Or even be a guest of it.
>
> Republicans: trying to manufacture scandals where there are none
>


This is simply a continuation of the Republicans requiring loyalty oaths
to attend/view events. To Republicans, in this world there are
Republicans and no others.
 
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