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Rights you are not supposed to know about




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TOP THINGS THE COURTS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW

This came from LEGS (Legal Eagles). The only change in wording is the
italized state name from Oregon to Oklahoma (put in your own state name).

TOP THINGS THE COURTS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW

Did you know that part of the fine you pay goes into the judges' pension
fund?

Did you know that many court documents are "signed" with a rubber-stamp?

Did you know many attorneys have this rubber-stamp so they can fake the
judge's signature?

Did you know the IRS maintains a criminal investigation file on every
Federal judge?

Did you know that the Post Office is not authorized to serve process?

Did you know that they are not bonded for that, they are not paid for it?

Did you know the postman cannot see into the envelope, so he cannot swear to
the contents of what he delivered (and he usually doesn't see who received
it)?

Do you realize that "service by mail" is therefore illegal?

Did you know that "receiving" mail is a voluntary act, and you have the
right to refuse mail?

Did you know that you can report crooked judges to the Court Administrator?

Did you know you can report crooked judges to the Insurance Commissioner?

Did you know that many of the judges haven't signed the correct oath of
office as specified in the Oklahoma Constitution?

Did you know that in many of these judges' oaths, the words "and
impartially" are gone?

Did you know that if you do not have an attorney to represent you during
sentencing, you cannot lawfully be sentenced?

Did you know that you can ALWAYS remain silent because the State judge
cannot grant you immunity from Federal prosecution?

Did you know that the judges do not hold the full judicial power of the
state?

Did you know that they hold the military power?

Are you aware that a mere signature is not defined by law as Evidence of
Authenticity? See Rules of Evidence Rule 902.

Did you know that if you have a complaint about an attorney, you will get
much better results if you file your complaint with the Professional
Liability Fund (the insurance arm of the Bar Association) as well as the Bar
Association?

Did you know that the PLF has a formal complaint procedure, and they
actually pay out money?

Did you know that the Oklahoma Bar Association (run by the Oklahoma Supreme
Court) lets drug-addicted attorneys and judges continue to practice, and
keeps them out of jail with a special program, the Attorney Assistance
Program?

Did you know that the original purpose of the Bar Associations was to weed
out the most incompetent of the incompetent?


TOP THINGS THE POLICE DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW

Did you know that if you sue for false arrest (or false imprisonment), the
arrest is presumed to be false?

Did you know that all you need to prove is that the arrest occurred, and
then the burden is on the officer to prove that it wasn't false?

Did you know that for an imprisonment, all you need is to show that you were
"restrained of your liberty by words and acts which you feared to
disregard"?

Did you know that a car stop counts as an arrest and an imprisonment?

Did you know that if an officer says he has a warrant for your arrest, you
can demand to see the warrant AND the supporting affidavit, and if he
arrests you without producing them, it's a false arrest?

Did you know that the police routinely ignore and violate this law?

Did you know that "sovereign immunity" only covers "discretionary" acts
(where the officer has a choice about what to do) but does not cover
"ministerial" acts such as executing an arrest warrant?

Do you understand that an officer is personally liable for any misdeeds
during a warrant arrest?

Did you know that sovereign immunity does not cover an officer AT ALL if he
breaks the law?

Did you know that many court documents are "signed" with a rubber stamp?

Did you know that many clerks and attorneys have these stamps with a judge's
signature?

How do you know the warrant wasn't stamped by a clerk or attorney?

How can a rubber-stamp signature on a warrant POSSIBLY be legal?

Did you know that you can ask an officer for his business card and ID, and
if he doesn't comply, he's out of uniform?

Did you know you have the right to resist a false arrest with as much force
as necessary?

Did you know that if an officer misbehaves, you can complain to Risk
Management?

Did you know that the Federal Pure Food, Drug and Cosmetics Act (that set up
the FDA) makes it illegal for anyone but a licensed physician to operate a
breathalyzer?

Did you know that if an officer asks you a question, you have the right to
ignore him and keep walking?

TOP QUESTIONS TO ASK AN FBI AGENT

Are you a "Special Agent" ?
Are there any "General Agents" in the FBI?

When you tell me you are a "Special Agent," are you telling me that you have
only specific, limited authority, and that I am responsible for finding out
what the limits to your authority are?
Am I responsible for making sure you stay within the limits of your
authority, even if you are unaware of what those limits are? Please show me
documentation of your authority.

Is it true that the authority of an FBI agent is the same as the authority
of a Park Ranger?

Did you swear an "Oath of Office" ?
Please show me a copy of it. If you violate your Oath of Office, what are
the consequences to you? How are those consequences enforced? Do I have to
complain to your superiors, or sue you, or what?

What is the name of your superior? What is your badge number? Are you
authorized to use an alias? How can I serve process on you if I don't know
your real name?
When you took office, did you file a bond? Is there any liability insurance
to cover damage that you cause while on duty?

Please show me a copy of the insurance policy.
Are you here on campus as an "invitee" or as a "licensee"? How does that
affect the liability of the Trustees if you are injured while here? How does
that affect the liability of the Trustees if you cause damage? Which program
are you here under: Applicant, Civil Rights, Counterterrorism, Financial
Crime, Foreign Counterintelligence, Organized Crime/Drug, or Violent Crimes
and Major Offenders?

Is it true that if you arrest me, and I sue you for false arrest (also false
imprisonment, assault, battery, and kidnapping), the only thing I need to
prove is that an arrest occurred, and then the burden is on you to show that
it wasn't false? Would I sue you in State or Federal court? Why?

Is it true that "imprisonment" includes "restraining me of my liberty by
words and acts which I fear to disregard" ?

Is it true that you can conduct a warrantless arrest only if you witness a
felony or a breach of the peace, the same as any citizen? Please show me
documentation of any other powers of arrest.

What is the Constitutional authority for the FBI to exist?

Is it true that the "police power" means the power to protect the health,
safety, morals, and welfare of the public? Is it true that the police powers
are reserved to the States under the 10th Amendment? How can you call
yourself "law enforcement" if you're not exercising the police power? Is it
true that the only Federal crimes (under Article I of the Constitution) are
counterfeiting, piracy and treason? If you're not exercising police powers,
and you're not a standing army, then what are you?

Is it true that Congress technically ceased to exist during the Civil War,
by adjourning "sine die" ("without day")? Is this the reason that Congress
has not used the Constitutionally mandated procedure for admitting any
States to the Union since 1859?

Is this the reason Senators and Representatives are not actually sworn in
during "swearing-in" ceremonies?

Is this the reason the President calls the Congress into session every two
years? Why two years? Is it because the salaries of Congress fall under the
two-year limit on military appropriations?

Are there geographical limits to your authority? Please show me
documentation of those limits. Are you authorized to operate in one of the
10 Federal "Regions" ? What is the Constitutional authority for the
Nixon-era creation of those "Regions" ? How can the Federal government
create "Regions" if it is forbidden to create States? Was it done through
emergency or martial-law powers? Isn't "Region" a military word?

Do you have any reason to believe that any of us are engaging in interstate
commerce?

Do you know Lon Horiuchi, who shot Vicki Weaver while she was holding a baby
in her arms (in the infamous Ruby Ridge incident), all over a shotgun that
was a quarter of an inch too short? Do you know the agent who shot
14-year-old Sammy Weaver in the back as he tried to run home?

Did you have any part in the Waco massacre (in which the FBI used CS gas and
its flammable propellant, in a surprise attack with no element of surprise)?
Isn't CS gas illegal to use in war?

Did you help destroy evidence from Waco? Is it true that the U.S. Marshals
Service falsely claimed a possible drug problem with the Weavers at Ruby
Ridge in order to get military reconnaissance flights over the cabin? (and
the "hot spot" from the alleged drug lab turned out to be a doghouse?)

And that the bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms invented a phony drug
nexus at Waco in order to obtain massive assistance from the U.S. Army, the
Texas National Guard, and the Alabama National Guard?

Is it true that civilian agencies routinely obtain free military support by
lying about drugs, and because there is no sanction for lying, obvious
falsehoods are accepted by the military as a pretext for intervention?

Is it true that the infamous FBI Hostage Rescue Team has spent considerable
time in recent years holding hostages and has not even attempted to rescue a
hostage for several years? Why are there 56 FBI SWAT teams and what's that
got to do with investigation?

Is it true that almost the entire Waco operation, not only 2/28 but the
siege, had been improperly financed from money that law enforcement was
supposed to use only in the war on drugs?
Have you had any military training? Are you connected in any way to military
intelligence? How come you're not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act of
1878, which was passed to outlaw the use of federal troops for civilian law
enforcement and which made it a felony to willfully use "any part of the
Army . . . to execute the laws" ?

Is it true that during the 1930s J. Edgar Hoover, director of the Federal
Bureau of Investigation, falsely told the American people that an
unprecedented wave of child kidnappings was in progress, and the FBI was
rewarded with substantial attention and funding, and in the 1980s a very
different FBI earned itself more funding by putting out phony claims about a
wave of serial killers of children?

Is it really a federal crime to transport artificial teeth into a state
without the approval of a local licensed dentist, with penalty of up to one
year in prison? Is this the sort of thing we pay the FBI to investigate?

Is it true that the federal courts have virtually taken over such vital
state functions as the operation of prisons and mental hospitals? And that
by 1993, the federal courts operated 80 percent of all state prison systems
in America? Is it true that federal judges determine virtually every detail
of these prisons, including standards for food and clothing, grievance
procedures, and cell space per convict? Is it true that these prisons are
run by private corporations for profit?

TOP THINGS THE BANKS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW

Did you know that the FDIC doesn't really insure bank accounts?

Did you know that when a bank goes under and is taken over by the FDIC,
instead of paying the $100,000, the FDIC just pays its own people to come
into the bank and divvy up what's left of the bank's assets? (This comes
from a woman who once worked as a temp for the FDIC. Her job was to talk on
the phone to the angry depositors and explain this to them.)

Did you know that a bank cannot legally require a fingerprint as a condition
of cashing a check?

According to UCC 3-501((2), they can only require you to:
Exhibit the instrument (i.e. you show them the check)
Give reasonable identification, and evidence of your authority if you are
cashing the check on behalf of someone else
Sign the check, and make a written receipt for partial payment, or the
surrender of the check upon full payment (i.e. you let them keep the check)

They write the brochures to say that they "ask" for a fingerprint (not
"demand" as a condition of payment). Their excuse for the fingerprint is
"reasonable identification." So if you can get them to agree that your
picture ID is reasonable identification, they have NO LAWFUL EXCUSE for
refusing to pay the check just because you don't give them a fingerprint! In
this case they have "dishonored" the check and you can proceed exactly as
you would if they blatantly, and for no reason, refused to pay. Contact us
for ideas on how to use the fingerprint issue.

Did you know that banks do not loan their own assets, nor the assets of
their depositors?

Do you realize this means they do NOT loan money, but instead, there is an
exchange of credit for credit, in which interest is charged on one side, but
not the other?
If the borrower walks away with cash (which has value in the form of
"purchasing power"), but the bank didn't loan any of its assets, isn't it
obvious that the "purchasing power" must have come from SOMEWHERE?

Did you know that when a bank makes a "loan," the money supply (M1)
expands -- in other words, the volume of currency in circulation increases?

Did you know that the value of the Federal Reserve Note "dollar" depends on
the size of the money supply via the law of "supply and demand" -- in other
words, the more FRNs there are, the less they are worth?

Do you understand that when the bank makes a loan, the value of the FRN
"dollar bills" in everybody's pocket declines -- in other words, the bank is
creating FRN dollars in competition with the FRN "dollars" in your pocket,
and this reduces the value of the FRN "dollars" in your pocket? Do you
realize this is the cause of inflation?

Do you realize that this means the "value," or "purchasing power," loaned by
the bank is essentially STOLEN from the public via the mechanism of
inflation?

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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: Withholding is NOT Mandatory

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The IRS has found it "necessary" to unlawfully harass, intimidate, threaten,
[TERRORIZE] incarcerate and ruin the livelihoods of tax professionals
(attorneys and CPA's) who expose the truth about the following:

1. Private entities, states and political subdivisions are NOT REQUIRED to
enter into federal payroll deduction agreements,
http://www.irs.gov/irm/part5/ch14s10.html
5.14.10.2 (09-30-2004)

Payroll Deduction Agreements

The use of Form 2159, Payroll Deduction Agreement, must be strongly
encouraged when the taxpayer is a wage earner, particularly if the taxpayer
defaulted on a previous installment agreement.

Private employers, states, and political subdivisions are not required to
enter into payroll deduction agreements. Taxpayers should determine whether
their employers will accept and process executed agreements before
agreements are submitted for approval or finalized. (See the rest of this
section at the link in item 1 above.)

2. The filing of a withholding agreement (W-4 or W-9) or its equivalent is
voluntary [26 CFR 31.3402(p)-1(].

3. The voluntary withholding agreement may be terminated at any time by the
worker or the hiring entity [26 CFR 31.3402(p)-1((2)].

4. Payroll deduction agreements for taxes apply to CONSENTING employees of
government agencies, federal employees and retirees, military personnel and
Department of Defense employees who participate in the VOLUNTARY deduction
program, IRM Part 5, Chapter 1, Section 7 (IRM 5.1.7.)
http://www.irs.gov/irm/part5/ch01s07.html , see 26 USC 3402(p)(3)(A), 31CFR
215.2(n)(1).

5. The IRS "Questionable W-4 Program" and their "Lock-In Letter" apply to
those employees of government agencies, federal employees and retirees,
active military personnel and Department of Defense employees who CONSENTED
to participate with the voluntary withholding agreement, not the private
sector.

6. The term "employee" 31 CFR 215.2(h)(1)(i) does not include retired
personnel, pensioners, annuitants, or similar beneficiaries of the Federal
Government, who are NOT performing active civilian service or persons
receiving remuneration for services on a contract-fee basis. They are not
subject to withholding and have no duty to file any form W-4 or W-9, unless
they desire to VOLUNTARILY enter into agreements.

7. In most states, the withholding and deducting from pay for any federal
taxes; fees and other charges (levy, lien, penalties or interest); or
benefits and privileges (social security, Medicare, disability, etc.) must
be knowingly and VOLUNTARILY agreed to in writing by BOTH parties (worker
and company). It's state jurisdiction, not federal.

8. No law requires you to disclose a social security number EEOC
v.Information Systems Consulting CA3-92-0169-T IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT
COURT NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS DALLAS DIVISION.

9. Accordingly, the federal government can only act on the States; and only
in the strictly limited, exclusive jurisdiction of Article 1:8:17. There are
no federal income taxes imposed upon an American working and living within
the 50 states party to the more perfect Union, see 26 CFR 301.6361-4.

10. According to the United States Government Accounting Office, see (USGAO)
report dated 09/15/03, it states in part, "Under current law, the IRS does
not have statutory authority to impose a penalty to enforce employer
compliance with the reporting requirement. The reporting requirement was
promulgated in Treasury regulations."

11. The IRS clearly violates the law when it instructs the private sector
entity to disregard the worker's W-4 (or its equivalent). "The Company is
not authorized to alter the form [W-4 or its equivalent] or to dishonor the
worker's claim. The certificate goes into effect automatically" U.S.
District Court Judge Huyett, United States v. Malinowski, 347 F. Supp. 352
in 1992.

12. "... the withholding party is not responsible for misstatements made on
form (W-4 or equivalent) by an owner of income and hence would not be liable
for tax which should have been withheld. Defendants manifest courtesy as to
whether the plaintiff would pay tax ... but this is none of their concern."
Holmstrom v. PPG Industries, 512 F.Supp 552, 554 DC WD Pa. 1981.

Also see: Murray v. City of Charleston 96 U.S. 432 (1877).

13. The private sector entity is not a duly authorized or delegated 'tax
collector" under IRC 6301, and no implementing regulation exists under 26
CFR.

14. The private sector entity is not a duly authorized or delegated
"assessment officer" under IRC 6201, and no implementing regulation exists
under 26 CFR.

15. The private sector entity is not a duly authorized Withholding Agent
(defined in IRC 7701(a)16, 26CFR 301.7701-16) to withhold from one's pay or
remuneration (IRC 1441, 1442, 1443, and specifically in 26 CFR 1.1441-7).

16. The private sector entity lacks requisite Form 2678 filed with the IRS,
or a Form 8655 Reporting Agent Authorizing Certificate from the Treasury
Financial Management Service, specific to each worker.

17. No state-federal agreements for administration of qualified state income
taxes are authorized by Part 215 of 31 CFR specific to each private sector
worker. The authority applies exclusively to federal government agencies and
personnel; it does not extend to general population in States of the Union.

18. No Standard Agreement with the Secretary of the Treasury and Fiscal
Assistant Secretary (or his delegates) pursuant to 31 CFR Subpart B-Standard
Agreement 215.6 specific to each private sector worker exists.

19. No Section 218 Voluntary Agreement exists for coverage of social
security specific to each private sector worker, pursuant to 42 USC 418.

20. "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no
rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda v. Arizona,
384 U.S. 436, 491. Consent for federal or state withholding and deductions
from pay must be explicit, voluntary and in writing.

21. Employees of government agencies; federal employees, agents,
representatives must act ONLY within the bounds of lawful authority pursuant
to the Supreme Court case of Federal Crop Insurance vs. Merrill, 33 US 380
at 384 (1947) that states: "Anyone entering into an arrangement with the
government takes the risk of having accurately ascertained that he who
purports to act for the government stays within the bounds of his
authority."

22. IRC section 7608 states whom the Secretary has authorized to see one's
books and records. According to 7608(a) Revenue Officers are NOT authorized
to see one's books and records.

23. According to 7608( Revenue Officers are NOT authorized to enforce under
subtitle E (liquor, tobacco and firearms).

24. Every section of the private law, IRC and 26 USC- Internal Revenue Code
had its origin in the legislature as a statute. Then to put the statue into
law, an agency had to write a regulation which puts it into force and
effect. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF) is the
only agency that wrote the regulation; the Internal Revenue is not a federal
agency. BATF is the only agency that can contract with the IRS to apply and
enforce BATF regulations, see 26 USC 301.7513(1) and (2).

25. Employees of government agencies; federal employees, agents,
representatives know or should know that when they violate the 14th
Amendment Section 3, they shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion,
for which they may loose their pay and retirement.

26. Employees of government agencies; federal employees, agents,
representatives know or should know that under IRC 7433, they can be sued
civilly for up to $1,000,000 for their unauthorized collection actions.

27. Employees of government agencies; federal employees, agents,
representatives know or should know that under IRC 7214(a)(2), they can be
sued criminally up to $10,000 or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both
for their unlawful acts of demanding other or greater sums than are
authorized by law.

We are unable to refer you to any knowledgeable licensed tax professional
who cares to be attacked by a rogue agency, that is not a duly authorized
agency of the United States Government, see DIVERSIFIED METAL PRODUCTS, INC.
v. T-BOW COMPANY TRUST, INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, AND STEVE MORGAN Civil
Case 93-405-E-EJL, USDC Idaho.

However, the IRS typically lacks lawful capacity, authority, and
jurisdiction against private sector workers and businesses, under which a
claim against the IRS employee under Title 18 Section 1918 may be an option.
Additionally, a Writ of Quo warranto may be exercised against the IRS
employee under 63 Am. Jur. 2d 441.

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No law compels a work eligible man or woman to submit a form W-4 or W-9(or
their equivalent) nor disclose an SSN as a condition of being hired or
keeping one's job. With the exception of an order from a court of competent
jurisdiction issued by a duly qualified judge, no amounts can be lawfully
taken from one's pay (for taxes, fees or other charges) without the worker's
explicit, knowing, voluntary, written consent.

This confirms IRC 6031(a) which IRS officials deceitfully removed from the
back of lien documents which states that only federal employees may have
their wages taxed.

Janet's Note: In addition IRS officials have been deceiving we the people
for decades by leaving IRC 6331(a) off the back of IRS liens and levies
because it exposes that only "officers, employees, or elected officials of
the U.S., the D.C. or any agency or instrumentality of the U.S. or D. C."!
Instead, they start with (!

ec. 6331. Levy and distraint
(a) Authority of Secretary
If any person liable to pay any tax neglects or refuses to pay the same
within 10 days after notice and demand, it shall be lawful for the Secretary
to collect such tax (and such further sum as shall be sufficient to cover
the expenses of the levy) by levy upon all property and rights to property
(except such property as is exempt under section 6334) belonging to such
person or on which there is a lien provided in this chapter for the payment
of such tax. Levy may be made upon the accrued salary or wages of any
officer, employee, or elected official, of the United States, the District
of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the United States or the
District of Columbia, by serving a notice of levy on the employer (as
defined in section 3401(d)) of such officer, employee, or elected official.
If the Secretary makes a finding that the collection of such tax is in
jeopardy, notice and demand for immediate payment of such tax may be made by
the Secretary and, upon failure or refusal to pay such tax, collection
thereof by levy shall be lawful without regard to the 10-day period provided
in this section.
 
"sandman" <sandman@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1fcips.hhb.17.1@news.alt.net:

>
> http://www.svpvril.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=13
>
>
> Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:30 am Post subject:
>
> Rights you are not supposed to know about


Sigh... Well, at least he isn't claiming that millions of people in New
York City hallucinated airplaness on 9.11.

--
President Bush was so buoyed by the warm reception he was given in Albania
that he immediately gave all 3 million Albanians American citizenship,
provided they learn Spanish. - Ann Coulter
 
On Dec 8, 11:09 pm, "sandman" <sand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.svpvril.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=13
>
> Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:30 am Post subject:
>
> Rights you are not supposed to know about
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----
>
> TOP THINGS THE COURTS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW
>
> This came from LEGS (Legal Eagles). The only change in wording is the
> italized state name from Oregon to Oklahoma (put in your own state name).
>
> TOP THINGS THE COURTS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW



Although I love stuff like this, the people posting it always end up
wanting you to move all your money into gold bullion, bottled water
and shotguns in order to protect yourself when the Jews, The
Trilateral Commission or the Bilderburgers decide to enslave the
world. Sometimes it's the UN or the Illuminati but there's always
somebody out to get us when this much paranoia goes public.
 
On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:45:20 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com>
wrote:

> Sigh... Well, at least he isn't claiming that millions of people in New
>York City hallucinated airplaness on 9.11.


HEY! That's MY theory!

Swill
--
Money isn't always dollars, but dollars are always money.
Picture of the day
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
 
In News haapl3p23mkoprnck39knbu9qbsrqt0goh@4ax.com,, Governor Swill at
governor.swill@gmail.com, typed this:

> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:45:20 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sigh... Well, at least he isn't claiming that millions of people
>> in New York City hallucinated airplaness on 9.11.

>
> HEY! That's MY theory!
>
> Swill


Hypnotic gas released from the subways. Gets them every time.


--
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong
enough to take away everything you have."

Thomas Jefferson
 
Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
news:haapl3p23mkoprnck39knbu9qbsrqt0goh@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:45:20 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sigh... Well, at least he isn't claiming that millions of people in New
>>York City hallucinated airplaness on 9.11.

>
> HEY! That's MY theory!


Sandman's theory too. Apparently everyone in NYC was watching the second
plane crash into the second tower on TV, and the 'powers that be' already had
the graphic special effects ready to show them! Lucky break no one looked out
the window to see there was no plane, huh?

--
President Bush was so buoyed by the warm reception he was given in Albania
that he immediately gave all 3 million Albanians American citizenship,
provided they learn Spanish. - Ann Coulter
 
Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com> wrote in
news:Xns9A0262DFE5D91jimaldersssnetcom@216.196.97.142:

> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:haapl3p23mkoprnck39knbu9qbsrqt0goh@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:45:20 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder@ssnet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sigh... Well, at least he isn't claiming that millions of people in
>>> New
>>>York City hallucinated airplaness on 9.11.

>>
>> HEY! That's MY theory!

>
> Sandman's theory too. Apparently everyone in NYC was watching the
> second
> plane crash into the second tower on TV, and the 'powers that be'
> already had the graphic special effects ready to show them! Lucky break
> no one looked out the window to see there was no plane, huh?






"I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all,
when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into
the first building. There was a TV set on..."
George Bush, Jan 5, 2002. In fact there was no coverage of the
first plane hitting the WTC because no one expected it.
 
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