Ron Paul is no solution when he's part of the problem

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jetgraphics

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Candidate / Congressman Ron Paul is no solution when he's part of the
problem

Americans know that there is "a problem". They see their country
crumbling before their eyes. They see their children sent to foreign
lands to fight and die, for no legitimate reason (no injured American
or his property as the basis for the invasion - no Congressional
Declaration of War). They see their standard of living tank (what one
receives in exchange for one's labor). They see their current monies
(Federal Reserve Notes) fall in relation with other currencies. They
see that their dependence upon petroleum holds them hostage to the
whims of less than stable suppliers abroad. They are burdened with
ever mounting taxes, while "public servants" vote themselves a life of
luxury, benefits, prerogatives, and a retirement package that is a
(expletive deleted) slap in the face of every hardworking American who
is destined for poverty.

Of course, no candidate DARES utter the basis for America's dilemma...

It's one word - usury.

(Oh Yeah?)

In case you are unaware, ALL major religions denounce usury. And, no,
usury is not "excessive interest". Usury is the fee denominated in
money for the use of money (or extension of credit). Any interest is
usury.

Mathematically speaking, usury is impossible to pay in a finite money
token system (like America's "lawful money" - gold and silver coin).
The exponential equation for calculating interest GUARANTEES that at
some finite increment of time, the aggregate (whole sum) of
outstanding debt (principle and interest) will exceed the total amount
of money in existence. In short, there will be a proportion of debtors
who will default simply because the money does not exist with which to
pay the usurer. And they suffer loss of pledged property as the usurer
gleefully collects. Yet they will blame themselves for their misery,
not realizing that the game was rigged, and the usurer always wins.

Key facts:
Coinage Act of 1792, et seq, defines a unit dollar as a silver coin
with no less than 3/4 troy ounce of pure silver and other alloys. And
a one ounce GOLD COIN is equivalent to 20 unit (silver) dollars.

LAWFUL MONEY - "The terms 'lawful money' and 'lawful money of the
United States' shall be construed to mean gold or silver coin of the
United States..."
Title 12 United States Code, Sec. 152.

Title 31 of the U.S. code, a silver dollar complies with the original
Coinage Act.

31 USC Sec. 5112. Denominations, specifications, and design of coins
(e)(1) ...weight 31.103 grams;
(e)(4) have inscriptions ... 1 Oz. Fine Silver ... One Dollar

(This complies with the U.S.Constitution, Art 1, Sec 8, & Sec 10)

Fort Knox: The United States Bullion Depository holds about 5,037.5
tons (4,570 metric tonnes) of gold bullion (147.3 million ounces).

That translates into $ 2,946,000,000 U.S. dollars (gold).
(Don't confuse the current market price for gold, since the price is
actually denominated in Federal Reserve Notes - not real dollars.)

TITLE 12,CHAPTER 3,SUBCHAPTER XII,sec. 411. Issuance to reserve banks;
nature of obligation; redemption
" Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of
making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve
agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are
authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States
and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal
reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They
shall be redeemed in LAWFUL MONEY on demand at the Treasury Department
of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia,
or at any Federal Reserve bank."

National Debt:
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 29 Nov 2007 at 11:11:18 PM GMT is: $
9,132,290,557,763.61

U.S. gold holdings (almost 3 billions) are insufficient to "pay off
the debt" over 9.1 trillions.

And, no, you can't pay off the debt with a debt. A Federal Reserve
Note is an obligation of the U.S. to pay dollars (gold) on demand
(Title 12 United States Code Section 411). But in 1933, Congress
repudiated their promise to pay on those notes. They have no par value
(i.e., worthless).

The "law" (Federal Reserve Act of 1913) created this "interest"
contract that holds us hostage. When Congress declared bankruptcy in
1933 (See Bank Holiday of 1933 and House Joint Resolution 192, June
1933), they declared that they would no longer redeem their notes with
lawful money. But the creditor wasn't stupid. Congress became trustees
of their own bankruptcy. (Oh my, the foxes are guarding the chicken
house!).

And in that spirit of fiduciary responsibility they passed the
"Federal Insurance Contribution Act" (aka Social Security Act) of
1935.

Every American who joined up, became a "human resource" pledged as
collateral on that unpayable national debt.
(You did know that there is law compelling participation. It's 100%
voluntary. If it was mandatory, it would be involuntary servitude and
thus unconstitutional.)

Now, the creditor was happy. The worthless notes were "legal tender"
upon all those millions of "contributors" (equally liable to pay the
debt notes), and government could take a skim with which to enrich the
creditor and themselves.

Ask RON PAUL or any other candidate for high office for his
willingness to tell the creditor to take a hike...

From what my sources say, RP said that it would be UNFAIR TO THE
CREDITOR.

(What do you call an impossible contract? FAIR PLAY!?)

An obligation to pay 9.1 trillions in gold dollars computes to roughly
455,000,000,000 ounces.
At current mining rates (and if the gold exists), it would only take
870,000 years to mine enough ore IF the debt was frozen right now.
(No, the world wide above ground stock of gold, if stolen by the U.S.
government, would still be insufficient to pay the debt)

It's obvious that going back to "gold money" is impossible.
Even if the national debt was wiped off the books, the amount of
U.S.gold at Fort Knox divided percapita is only $9.82 constitutional
dollars.

I don't know about you, but that is insufficient to operate a national
economy. Would that percapita share be a year's salary? A work year of
2080 hours would mean that an "honest hourly wage" would be 0.0046
dollars (4.6 mils or less than a half cent).
What would we use for "small change"? Certificates for molecules of
gold?
And you can bet that "billionaires and millionaires" would take the
lion's share of that gold money for themselves.

It would appear that ignorance of law, economics, physics and history
trump even apathy as the greatest challenge to resolving America's
problems.

As long as we consent to the abomination of usury, we are doomed.

(Warning - the following solution does not require any action on the
part of the government)
You can:
1. Cancel all contracts for usury (close all interest bearing bank
accounts, sell off all stocks)
2. Cancel participation in national socialism (aka Social Security)
3. Sit back and watch the U.S. Congress squirm, impotent to "command"
us; watch the Federal Reserve note sink into oblivion; but whatever
you do - watch out!

And to REALLY hack off the "system"
4. Acquire a domicile (legal and permanent home)
5. Revert back to American national status. (Cease being a "U.S.
citizen / resident residing at a residence")

(As an American national, free inhabitant, domiciled upon private
property within the boundaries of the U.S.A., one ceases to be a
person liable... for just about everything. An inhabitant is a non-
resident, thus all laws obligating "residents" no longer apply. SS-5
form for a SocSec account is limited to U.S. citizens and U.S.
residents. American nationals and inhabitants cannot apply nor
participate. )

Now you see why no candidate is a solution when they're part of the
underlying problem.


-- - - -- - - -- - - -- - -
Footnotes:
Ezekiel 18:13 KJV defines usury as a capital offense.
"Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then
live? he shall not live: he hath done all these
abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him."
He (the usurer) shall surely die - his blood be upon his own hands...
thus no blame to his killer.
Is this why the U.S. government "trusts in God" when it kills American
usurers with impunity?

Aristotle (384-322 BC) formulated the classical view against usury.

Aristotle understood that money is sterile; it doesn't beget more
money the way cows beget more cows. He knew that "Money exists not by
nature but by law":

"The most hated sort (of wealth getting) and with the greatest reason,
is usury, which makes a gain out of money itself and not from the
natural object of it. For money was intended to be used in exchange
but not to increase at interest. And this term interest (tokos), which
means the birth of money from money is applied to the breeding of
money because the offspring resembles the parent.

Wherefore of all modes of getting wealth, this is the most
unnatural." (1258b POLITICS)

And he especially disliked usurers:

"...those who ply sordid trades, pimps and all such people, and those
who lend small sums at high rates. For all these take more than they
ought, and from the wrong sources. What is common to them is a sordid
love of gain..." (1122a, ETHICS)

In plain English - money is an abstraction, a medium of exchange and
an accounting symbol for REAL goods and services. Money, itself,
cannot have intrinsic value, lest mathematical chaos will erupt. Nor
can usury be tolerated in a finite money token system.

- - -

"INHABITANT -One who resides actually and permanently in a given
place, and has his domicile there."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.782

"DOMICILE - A person's legal home. That place where a man has his
true, fixed, and permanent home and principal establishment, and to
which whenever he is absent he has the intention of returning."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.484

"RESIDENCE - Place where one actually lives ... Residence implies
something more than physical presence and something less than
domicile. The terms 'resident' and 'residence' have no precise legal
meaning... [One can have many residences but only one domicile]
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.1308, 1309

A resident with a (legal) residence is an assertion that one has NO
DOMICILE (no legal home). In contrast, an inhabitant has a legal and
permanent home. Coincidentally, no state requires non-resident
inhabitants to get permission (license) to drive, own a car, a dog,
build a house, enter occupations or any other rights of free men. In
fact, if you carefully examine their law, the inhabitant is rarely
mentioned since he is not subject to nor object of their authority.

The bottom line - no government that prospers at our ignorance will
admit that they have misled us for generations.
But you can prove it to yourself - go to any county courthouse law
library and look up the definitions and decisions related to the
following terms:

You will not find many references in statutes, if any, dealing with
the following terms:
[] American national (nationality is a characteristic of BIRTH and
PARENTAGE)
[] Free inhabitant
[] Domicile
[] Natural and personal liberty
[] Common law, rules of (see 7th amendment)
[] Private property (owned absolutely by an individual)

Instead, you will find numerous references to those persons liable,
subject to or object of their power:
>< U.S. citizens
>< U.S. residents
>< Legal residences
>< Estate (real and personal property held with qualified ownership)
>< Civil rights (Civil liberties)
>< Political liberties (Voting and holding office)
>< Civil law, based on strict rules and regulations
 
In
news:e41d1ebf-a379-40ff-bc82-2f9200749186@t47g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
jetgraphics <jetgraphics@gmail.com> wrote:

> Of course, no candidate DARES utter the basis for America's dilemma...
>
> It's one word - usury.


So, you expect to use someone else's money (in the form of a loan) at no
cost to you?

> In case you are unaware, ALL major religions denounce usury.


Which is a pretty good clue that it's really a good idea.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
 
jetgraphics wrote:

>
> In case you are unaware, ALL major religions denounce usury.


In fact, Islam forbids the charging of ANY interest on a loan. That's
one reason why capitalism never got much of a foothold in the Muslim world.


--
Steven L.
Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
 
On Nov 29, 7:21 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Innews:e41d1ebf-a379-40ff-bc82-2f9200749186@t47g2000hsc.googlegroups.com
>
> jetgraphics <jetgraph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Of course, no candidate DARES utter the basis for America's dilemma...

>
> > It's one word - usury.

>
> So, you expect to use someone else's money (in the form of a loan) at no
> cost to you?
>
> > In case you are unaware, ALL major religions denounce usury.

>
> Which is a pretty good clue that it's really a good idea.
>
> --
> Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN b...@iphouse.com


See how usurers deceive us?
They encourage us to think that lending money at interest is "good",
despite all evidence to the contrary.

It's simple mathematics.
The exponential equation for calculating interest, no matter what that
interest rate is, has a finite time increment when the total aggregate
debt will EXCEED the total amount of money in existence. In America's
case, it only took 20 years (1913-1933) to bankrupt the United States
government.

If you think that tricking people into impossible contracts is "good",
then it makes sense why you'd poke fun at religions that denounce
usury.
 
On Nov 29, 7:28 pm, "Steven L." <sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> jetgraphics wrote:
>
> > In case you are unaware, ALL major religions denounce usury.

>
> In fact, Islam forbids the charging of ANY interest on a loan. That's
> one reason why capitalism never got much of a foothold in the Muslim world.
>
> --
> Steven L.
> Email: sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
> Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.


Interesting footnote, of all Christian sects, the longest hold out
against usury was the Roman Catholic Church. They ended their ban on
usury in 1918. All the other Protestant sects capitulated far sooner -
some as early as the 15th century.
 
In news:543592aa-eee2-4ba6-affa-1134b7028c95@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com
jetgraphics <jetgraphics@gmail.com> wrote:

> See how usurers deceive us?
> They encourage us to think that lending money at interest is "good",
> despite all evidence to the contrary.


Simple fix for you:

Don't borrow money.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
 
jetgraphics wrote:

> Candidate / Congressman Ron Paul is no solution when he's part of
> the problem
>




Long post and addresses many, many issues. Before you go identifying
Ron Paul as part of the problem, check his Congressional voting
record. He has consistently voted against the cancerous monstrosity
we call government. He is one of the very few that think the
Constitution is not a quaint document.

The problem is the massively corrupt mono-party political apparatus
that parades as a two-party system. The problem is the national
security state created with the stroke of a pen in 1947 (National
Security Act of 1947). The problem is a mainstream media that has
utterly failed to perform their watchdog function. The problem is
the fact the system has been bought and paid for by corporate money
and foreign PAC's. Ron Paul is NOT part of those problems.
 
On Nov 29, 7:36 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Innews:543592aa-eee2-4ba6-affa-1134b7028c95@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com
>
> jetgraphics <jetgraph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > See how usurers deceive us?
> > They encourage us to think that lending money at interest is "good",
> > despite all evidence to the contrary.

>
> Simple fix for you:
>
> Don't borrow money.
>
> --
> Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN b...@iphouse.com


But how do you deal with the "national debt" ?
Your per capita share of this debt is $30,073.20.
(in "real money" - not FRNs)

Technically, a "contributor" is equally liable for the WHOLE
obligation, so under FICA, you're in hock for 9.1 trillions.

Of course, if you are not a participant you are not a "person liable".
:)
 
On Nov 29, 8:39 pm, nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> jetgraphics wrote:
> > Candidate / Congressman Ron Paul is no solution when he's part of
> > the problem

>
> Long post and addresses many, many issues. Before you go identifying
> Ron Paul as part of the problem, check his Congressional voting
> record. He has consistently voted against the cancerous monstrosity
> we call government. He is one of the very few that think the
> Constitution is not a quaint document.


JG: Really? Show one case where he voted against socialism (social
security) or any other of the ten planks of the communist manifesto.
Has he ever offered a bill to repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913?
Or FICA? Has he (or any other congresscritter) challenged the utter
insanity of a 9 trillion national debt (denominated in REAL MONEY -
gold coin)? Has any Congress challenged the perpetual "temporary"
State of Emergency, first declared in 1933, and renewed by each
sitting president?
In a word - NO.


> The problem is the massively corrupt mono-party political apparatus
> that parades as a two-party system. The problem is the national
> security state created with the stroke of a pen in 1947 (National
> Security Act of 1947). The problem is a mainstream media that has
> utterly failed to perform their watchdog function. The problem is
> the fact the system has been bought and paid for by corporate money
> and foreign PAC's. Ron Paul is NOT part of those problems.


JG: It is often portrayed thusly in the mass media.
But by patient research into law, one can find that Enemy #1 is
looking back at us in the mirror.
Usurers could not prosper without our cooperation.
Congress could not wield the monstrous power of its funny munny budget
without the millions of voluntary socialists. (Now you know why they
act so impotent about "illegal immigrants" and their push to grant
amnesty. They want more "human resources" to bolster their bank
accounts.)

Remember, the Congress has the delegated power to COIN money (buy
bullion, stamp coin) or BORROW on the credit of the U.S.
Every Federal Reserve note is a debt.
And it was repudiated in 1933.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_certificate
" According to the U.S. treasury, 'The notes have no value for
themselves, but for what they will buy. In another sense, because they
are legal tender, Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods
and services in the economy.' "

Curiously, few understand how their worthless notes became backed by
YOU and YOUR property.

Congress has been writing I.O.U.s pledging YOU and YOUR property as
collateral.
Congressman Ron Paul and his cohorts have been silent on how that
grand theft has been legally accomplished.

You can imagine the dismay when the creditor calls his debt "due on
demand" and forecloses upon "all the goods and services" in the
economy. How far off is that day? Some think it has already come and
passed, as evidenced by the proliferation of police, rent-a-cops, and
private armies for individual security. We're being conditioned for
the Police State that will fully implement the "Emergency Orders"
already on the books.

The biggest organized crime syndicate is Congress, and it doesn't
tolerate competition.
:)
(Naw, that's not accurate. Congress never, ever passed a law that
impaired the private property rights of the American nationals,
domiciled as free inhabitants, within the boundaries of the U.S.A. In
fact, they expressly passed laws to protect American sovereigns.)

FOREIGN SOVEREIGN IMMUNITIES ACT OF 1976
 
jetgraphics wrote:

>
> JG: Really? Show one case where he voted against socialism (social
> security) or any other of the ten planks of the communist manifesto.
> Has he ever offered a bill to repeal the Federal Reserve Act of
> 1913? Or FICA? Has he (or any other congresscritter) challenged the
> utter insanity of a 9 trillion national debt (denominated in REAL
> MONEY - gold coin)? Has any Congress challenged the perpetual
> "temporary" State of Emergency, first declared in 1933, and renewed
> by each sitting president?
> In a word - NO.
>
>




He's not perfect. But if we intend to address our system breakdown
without revolution, we have to peel back the minor cancers before we
can address the major cancers.

Ron Paul is that one viable hope of working within the system.
 
On Nov 29, 9:59 pm, nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> He's not perfect. But if we intend to address our system breakdown
> without revolution, we have to peel back the minor cancers before we
> can address the major cancers.
>
> Ron Paul is that one viable hope of working within the system.


JG: That sounds reasonable on the surface. Perhaps it would be better
to use the analogy of a sinking ship.
Those who run the ship are telling us that if we "participate", the
ship won't sink. The crew are told, that if more get aboard, the ship
won't sink.
However, the wise man would leave the ship and head for dry land.

The "Ship of State" is the Socialist state, sinking under the twin
weights of usury and socialism.
The "dry land" is the law of the land, based upon justice, reason and
common sense.

Remember, the Declaration of Independence asserts that governments are
created to (a) secure rights to life, liberty and private property,
and (b) govern those who consent.

As one pundit remarked, If voting changed anything, voting would be
outlawed.

What makes the political process inert?

SOCIALISM - A political and economic theory advocating collective
ownership of the means of production and control of distribution. It
is based upon the belief that all, while contributing to the good of
the community, are equally entitled to the care and protection which
the community can provide.

COMMUNISM - the ownership of property, or means of production,
distribution and supply, by the whole of a classless society, with
wealth shared on the principle of 'to each according to his need',
each yielding fully 'according to his ability'.

Neither Socialism, nor Communism tolerate individual ownership of
private property.

From the Communist manifesto:
"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the
single sentence: Abolition of private property."

Since 1935, Americans have not owned private property.

That claim is supported by the following definition:

PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is
such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he
has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed
and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to
another, such as houses, lands, and chattels.
- - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217

CAPITALISM - An economic system in which the means of production,
distribution and exchange are privately owned and operated for private
profit.

Combining the two, we get Capitalism is an economic system in which
the means of production, distribution and exchange are absolutely
owned by individuals who enjoy the fruits thereof.

As the fifth amendment promises, private property shall not be taken
for public use without just compensation.

Now, in case you are unaware, real estate and private property are
mutually exclusive because of ownership type.
Consider that if the State takes real estate for non payment of taxes,
it does not offer just compensation. The recent Supreme Court case
dealing with condemnation of real estate that was transferred to
another private party was upheld as constitutional because it wasn't a
taking of private property.

In all the State constitutions I've read, they only delegate the power
to tax real estate. They never mention taxing private property.

If you were misled to believe that "all land" is real estate, consider
the following.

LAND. ... The land is one thing, and the estate in land is another
thing, for an estate in land is a time in land or land for a time.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.877

OWNERSHIP - "... Ownership of property is either absolute or
qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person
has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when
it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is
deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted."
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106

ESTATE - The degree, quantity, nature and extent of interest which a
person has in real and personal property. An estate in lands,
tenements, and hereditaments signifies such interest as the tenant has
therein."
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.547

INTEREST - ...More particularly it means a right to have the advantage
of accruing from anything ; any right in the nature of property, but
LESS THAN TITLE.
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.812

TITLE - "The formal right of ownership of property..."
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1485

Real estate / Real property refers to "lands, tenements,
heriditaments" a person or tenant has NO formal right of ownership of
property - only the advantages from it.

PROPERTY TAX - "An ad valorem tax, usually levied by a city or county,
on the value of real or personal property that the taxpayer owns on a
specified date."
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1218

Now you can see why Americans no longer own private property. If they
are paying a "property tax" on real property / real estate, it's not
private property.
Yet the governments repeatedly promise to respect "private property
rights" while misleading folks to assume that their land, houses and
chattels are estate.

Can any politician correct the problem when ignorant Americans
mindlessly register their property as "estate"?
Or is it that as duly enrolled socialists, they are barred from
absolutely owning anything, including themselves?
 
On Nov 29, 4:16 pm, jetgraphics <jetgraph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Candidate / Congressman Ron Paul is no solution when he's part of the
> problem
>
> Americans know that there is "a problem". They see their country
> crumbling before their eyes. They see their children sent to foreign
> lands to fight and die, for no legitimate reason (no injured American
> or his property as the basis for the invasion - no Congressional
> Declaration of War). They see their standard of living tank (what one
> receives in exchange for one's labor). They see their current monies
> (Federal Reserve Notes) fall in relation with other currencies. They
> see that their dependence upon petroleum holds them hostage to the
> whims of less than stable suppliers abroad. They are burdened with
> ever mounting taxes, while "public servants" vote themselves a life of
> luxury, benefits, prerogatives, and a retirement package that is a
> (expletive deleted) slap in the face of every hardworking American who
> is destined for poverty.
>
> Of course, no candidate DARES utter the basis for America's dilemma...
>
> It's one word - usury.


You are clueless and ignorant.
If any candidate espouses the notion of a sound currency - minus the
plutocratic machinations of the fed reserve it IS Ron Paul.

Get yer facts straight before you yap again.
 
On Nov 29, 11:33 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:
> On Nov 29, 4:16 pm, jetgraphics <jetgraph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Candidate / Congressman Ron Paul is no solution when he's part of the
> > problem

>
> > Americans know that there is "a problem". They see their country
> > crumbling before their eyes. They see their children sent to foreign
> > lands to fight and die, for no legitimate reason (no injured American
> > or his property as the basis for the invasion - no Congressional
> > Declaration of War). They see their standard of living tank (what one
> > receives in exchange for one's labor). They see their current monies
> > (Federal Reserve Notes) fall in relation with other currencies. They
> > see that their dependence upon petroleum holds them hostage to the
> > whims of less than stable suppliers abroad. They are burdened with
> > ever mounting taxes, while "public servants" vote themselves a life of
> > luxury, benefits, prerogatives, and a retirement package that is a
> > (expletive deleted) slap in the face of every hardworking American who
> > is destined for poverty.

>
> > Of course, no candidate DARES utter the basis for America's dilemma...

>
> > It's one word - usury.

>
> You are clueless and ignorant.
> If any candidate espouses the notion of a sound currency - minus the
> plutocratic machinations of the fed reserve it IS Ron Paul.
>
> Get yer facts straight before you yap again.


JG: Can you produce any facts that support your conclusions?
Are you disputing the law, as enacted?
Did you bother to read Title 12 USC Sec 411?
In it, it plainly states that Federal Reserve notes are obligations of
the U.S. government to pay lawful money on demand.
Lawful money is defined as silver and gold coin.
Since 1933, the government has repudiated that obligation to pay
lawful money.
Ergo, the Federal Reserve notes are worthless, no par value.
There is no such thing as a "sound currency" when it is borrowed into
existence, at usury.
In fact, paper money is either a certificate (of deposit of real
money) or a note (a promise to pay real money in the future).
Neither is "backed".
If you believe that paper currency is backed, you are mistaken.
Abolishing the Federal Reserve without first abolishing the debt is
nugatory.
Abolishing the debt and the usury behind it will accomplish half the
job.
But Ron Paul has never, ever espoused abolishing the national debt,
nor injuring the interests of the creditor.
If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it.
Furthermore, Ron Paul has never, ever expressed abolishing the Social
Security Act of 1935. Without that act, Congress would lose 95% of its
power.
If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it.

From RP's website:
"(He) introduced the Social Security Preservation Act (H.R. 219) to
ensure that money paid into the system is only used for Social
Security."

Ron Paul hasn't read the law.
According to the Congressional Research Service, entitlements are not
a property right, but a "gift" from Congress. Congress is under no
contractual obligation to pay benefits. And all contributions are
merely more revenue. And not one dollar has ever been paid into Social
Security by the millions of contributors. Because a dollar, by law, is
either a gold or silver coin. A worthless note denominated as a dollar
is not a dollar, no more than a picture of an elephant IS an elephant.

From RP's website:
"... the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by
increasing the money supply -- making each dollar in your pocket worth
less."

Obviously, he doesn't read the law, either. The runaway debt is
necessary for new money to exist. No new Federal Reserve note can be
printed unless CONGRESS (Ron Paul, et al) increases the debt. In fact,
without RED INK, the paper money supply would lag behind the economy.
Not that I support debt-credit paper instruments. But unless you KNOW
something about America's constitutional money system, your objections
are groundless.

As stated earlier, based on the amount of gold in the depository at
Fort Knox, there's not enough to run a national economy.

In short, we can't continue with debt money borrowed at usury, we
can't go back to "hard money" (gold and silver coin), and there's no
solution within the definition of the Art.1, Sec. 8 or Sec. 10 of the
U.S. Constitution. Nor can there be any solution when usury dominates
the monetary systems of the world.
 
On Nov 29, 11:33 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:
> On Nov 29, 4:16 pm, jetgraphics <jetgraph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Candidate / Congressman Ron Paul is no solution when he's part of the
> > problem

>
> > Americans know that there is "a problem". They see their country
> > crumbling before their eyes. They see their children sent to foreign
> > lands to fight and die, for no legitimate reason (no injured American
> > or his property as the basis for the invasion - no Congressional
> > Declaration of War). They see their standard of living tank (what one
> > receives in exchange for one's labor). They see their current monies
> > (Federal Reserve Notes) fall in relation with other currencies. They
> > see that their dependence upon petroleum holds them hostage to the
> > whims of less than stable suppliers abroad. They are burdened with
> > ever mounting taxes, while "public servants" vote themselves a life of
> > luxury, benefits, prerogatives, and a retirement package that is a
> > (expletive deleted) slap in the face of every hardworking American who
> > is destined for poverty.

>
> > Of course, no candidate DARES utter the basis for America's dilemma...

>
> > It's one word - usury.

>
> You are clueless and ignorant.
> If any candidate espouses the notion of a sound currency - minus the
> plutocratic machinations of the fed reserve it IS Ron Paul.
>
> Get yer facts straight before you yap again.


JG: Can you produce any facts that support your conclusions?
Are you disputing the law, as enacted?
Did you bother to read Title 12 USC Sec 411?
In it, it plainly states that Federal Reserve notes are obligations of
the U.S. government to pay lawful money on demand.
Lawful money is defined as silver and gold coin.
Since 1933, the government has repudiated that obligation to pay
lawful money.
Ergo, the Federal Reserve notes are worthless, no par value.
There is no such thing as a "sound currency" when it is borrowed into
existence, at usury.
In fact, paper money is either a certificate (of deposit of real
money) or a note (a promise to pay real money in the future).
Neither is "backed".
If you believe that paper currency is backed, you are mistaken.
Abolishing the Federal Reserve without first abolishing the debt is
nugatory.
Abolishing the debt and the usury behind it will accomplish half the
job.
But Ron Paul has never, ever espoused abolishing the national debt,
nor injuring the interests of the creditor.
If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it.
Furthermore, Ron Paul has never, ever expressed abolishing the Social
Security Act of 1935. Without that act, Congress would lose 95% of its
power.
If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it.

From RP's website:
"(He) introduced the Social Security Preservation Act (H.R. 219) to
ensure that money paid into the system is only used for Social
Security."

Ron Paul hasn't read the law.
According to the Congressional Research Service, entitlements are not
a property right, but a "gift" from Congress. Congress is under no
contractual obligation to pay benefits. And all contributions are
merely more revenue. And not one dollar has ever been paid into Social
Security by the millions of contributors. Because a dollar, by law, is
either a gold or silver coin. A worthless note denominated as a dollar
is not a dollar, no more than a picture of an elephant IS an elephant.

From RP's website:
"... the Federal Reserve, our central bank, fosters runaway debt by
increasing the money supply -- making each dollar in your pocket worth
less."

Obviously, he doesn't read the law, either. The runaway debt is
necessary for new money to exist. No new Federal Reserve note can be
printed unless CONGRESS (Ron Paul, et al) increases the debt. In fact,
without RED INK, the paper money supply would lag behind the economy.
Not that I support debt-credit paper instruments. But unless you KNOW
something about America's constitutional money system, your objections
are groundless.

As stated earlier, based on the amount of gold in the depository at
Fort Knox, there's not enough to run a national economy.

In short, we can't continue with debt money borrowed at usury, we
can't go back to "hard money" (gold and silver coin), and there's no
solution within the definition of the Art.1, Sec. 8 or Sec. 10 of the
U.S. Constitution. Nor can there be any solution when usury dominates
the monetary systems of the world.
 
On Nov 29, 11:33 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:
> You are clueless and ignorant.
> If any candidate espouses the notion of a sound currency - minus the
> plutocratic machinations of the fed reserve it IS Ron Paul.
>
> Get yer facts straight before you yap again.


TITLE 12,CHAPTER 3,SUBCHAPTER XII,sec. 411. Issuance to reserve banks;
nature of obligation; redemption
" Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board
of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making
advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents
as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The
said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be
receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks
and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be
redeemed in LAWFUL MONEY on demand at the Treasury Department of the
United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at
any Federal Reserve bank."

LAWFUL MONEY - "The terms 'lawful money' and 'lawful money of the
United States' shall be construed to mean gold or silver coin of the
United States..."
Title 12 United States Code, Sec. 152.

"Dollars, or units; each to be of the value of a Spanish milled as the
same is now current, and to contain three hundred and seventy-one
grains and four-sixteenths parts of a grain of pure, or four hundred
and sixteen grains of standard, silver."
--- Sec. 9, Coinage Act of 1792, January 1792

According to Title 31 of the U.S. code, a silver dollar complies with
the original Coinage Act.

31 USC Sec. 5112. Denominations, specifications, and design of coins
(e)(1) ...weight 31.103 grams;
(e)(4) have inscriptions ... 1 Oz. Fine Silver ... One Dollar

"Federal reserve notes are legal tender in absence of objection
thereto."
MacLeod v. Hoover (1925) 159 La 244, 105 So. 305

Article 1, Section 8. U.S. Constitution.
The Congress shall have Power
....To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
....To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and
fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Article 1, Section 10. U.S. Constitution No State shall
.... coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and
silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any ... Law impairing
the Obligation of Contracts, ...

[Note: Congress has no power to create money. It can 'coin' money -
stamp bullion into coin. If it had the power to create money, it
wouldn't need the power to borrow it. If you have not paid nor been
paid with lawful money, you have participated in a fraud if you
treated Federal Reserve Notes as 'dollars'.]


Bank holiday of 1933. Presidential Proclamation No.2039, issued March
6, 1933, and No. 2040, issued March 9, 1933, temporarily suspended
banking transactions by member banks of the Federal Reserve System.
Normal banking functions were resumed on March 13, subject to certain
restrictions. The first proclamation, it was held, had no authority in
law until the passage on March 9, 1933, of the ratifying act (12
U.S.C.A. Sec. 95b). The present law forbids member banks of the
Federal Reserve System to transact banking business, except under
regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury, during an emergency
proclaimed by the President.
12 U.S.C.A. Sec. 95.
Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 146

According to page 494 of the U.S. Government Manual, 1993/1994
edition:
"In addition , the Secretary (of Treasury) has many responsibilities
as chief financial officer of the Government. The Secretary serves as
Chairman pro tempore of the Economic Policy council and as U.S.
Governor of the International Monetary Fund, the International Bank
for Reconstruction and Development, the Inter-American Development
Bank, and the African Development Bank."


Title 22 USC Sec. 286a Appointments
(a) Governors and executive directors; term of office
The President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall
appoint a governor of the (International Monetary) Fund who shall also
serve as a governor of the (World) Bank, and an executive director of
the (International Monetary) Fund and an executive director of the
Bank. ...
(d) Compensation for services
(1) No person shall be entitled to receive any salary or other
compensation from the United States for services as a Governor,
executive director, councilor, alternate, or associate.
(2) The United States executive director of the Fund shall not be
compensated by the Fund at a rate in excess of the rate ...

[Note: The Secretary of Treasury may be an appointee of the President,
but he SHALL NOT BE PAID BY THE U.S. Government. His regulations are
in force and effect during this "State of Emergency" originally
declared in 1933. And which department does the "Secret Service"
belong to?]

Does that satisfy your thirst for facts?
 
On Nov 29, 11:33 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:
> You are clueless and ignorant.
> If any candidate espouses the notion of a sound currency - minus the
> plutocratic machinations of the fed reserve it IS Ron Paul.
>
> Get yer facts straight before you yap again.


TITLE 12,CHAPTER 3,SUBCHAPTER XII,sec. 411. Issuance to reserve banks;
nature of obligation; redemption
" Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board
of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making
advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents
as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The
said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be
receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks
and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be
redeemed in LAWFUL MONEY on demand at the Treasury Department of the
United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at
any Federal Reserve bank."

LAWFUL MONEY - "The terms 'lawful money' and 'lawful money of the
United States' shall be construed to mean gold or silver coin of the
United States..."
Title 12 United States Code, Sec. 152.

"Dollars, or units; each to be of the value of a Spanish milled as the
same is now current, and to contain three hundred and seventy-one
grains and four-sixteenths parts of a grain of pure, or four hundred
and sixteen grains of standard, silver."
--- Sec. 9, Coinage Act of 1792, January 1792

According to Title 31 of the U.S. code, a silver dollar complies with
the original Coinage Act.

31 USC Sec. 5112. Denominations, specifications, and design of coins
(e)(1) ...weight 31.103 grams;
(e)(4) have inscriptions ... 1 Oz. Fine Silver ... One Dollar

"Federal reserve notes are legal tender in absence of objection
thereto."
MacLeod v. Hoover (1925) 159 La 244, 105 So. 305

Article 1, Section 8. U.S. Constitution.
The Congress shall have Power
....To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
....To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and
fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Article 1, Section 10. U.S. Constitution No State shall
.... coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and
silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any ... Law impairing
the Obligation of Contracts, ...

[Note: Congress has no power to create money. It can 'coin' money -
stamp bullion into coin. If it had the power to create money, it
wouldn't need the power to borrow it. If you have not paid nor been
paid with lawful money, you have participated in a fraud if you
treated Federal Reserve Notes as 'dollars'.]


Bank holiday of 1933. Presidential Proclamation No.2039, issued March
6, 1933, and No. 2040, issued March 9, 1933, temporarily suspended
banking transactions by member banks of the Federal Reserve System.
Normal banking functions were resumed on March 13, subject to certain
restrictions. The first proclamation, it was held, had no authority in
law until the passage on March 9, 1933, of the ratifying act (12
U.S.C.A. Sec. 95b). The present law forbids member banks of the
Federal Reserve System to transact banking business, except under
regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury, during an emergency
proclaimed by the President.
12 U.S.C.A. Sec. 95.
Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 146

According to page 494 of the U.S. Government Manual, 1993/1994
edition:
"In addition , the Secretary (of Treasury) has many responsibilities
as chief financial officer of the Government. The Secretary serves as
Chairman pro tempore of the Economic Policy council and as U.S.
Governor of the International Monetary Fund, the International Bank
for Reconstruction and Development, the Inter-American Development
Bank, and the African Development Bank."


Title 22 USC Sec. 286a Appointments
(a) Governors and executive directors; term of office
The President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall
appoint a governor of the (International Monetary) Fund who shall also
serve as a governor of the (World) Bank, and an executive director of
the (International Monetary) Fund and an executive director of the
Bank. ...
(d) Compensation for services
(1) No person shall be entitled to receive any salary or other
compensation from the United States for services as a Governor,
executive director, councilor, alternate, or associate.
(2) The United States executive director of the Fund shall not be
compensated by the Fund at a rate in excess of the rate ...

[Note: The Secretary of Treasury may be an appointee of the President,
but he SHALL NOT BE PAID BY THE U.S. Government. His regulations are
in force and effect during this "State of Emergency" originally
declared in 1933. And which department does the "Secret Service"
belong to?]

Does that satisfy your thirst for facts?
 
On Nov 29, 11:33 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:
> You are clueless and ignorant.
> If any candidate espouses the notion of a sound currency - minus the
> plutocratic machinations of the fed reserve it IS Ron Paul.
>
> Get yer facts straight before you yap again.


TITLE 12,CHAPTER 3,SUBCHAPTER XII,sec. 411. Issuance to reserve banks;
nature of obligation; redemption
" Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board
of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making
advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents
as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The
said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be
receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks
and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be
redeemed in LAWFUL MONEY on demand at the Treasury Department of the
United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at
any Federal Reserve bank."

LAWFUL MONEY - "The terms 'lawful money' and 'lawful money of the
United States' shall be construed to mean gold or silver coin of the
United States..."
Title 12 United States Code, Sec. 152.

"Dollars, or units; each to be of the value of a Spanish milled as the
same is now current, and to contain three hundred and seventy-one
grains and four-sixteenths parts of a grain of pure, or four hundred
and sixteen grains of standard, silver."
--- Sec. 9, Coinage Act of 1792, January 1792

According to Title 31 of the U.S. code, a silver dollar complies with
the original Coinage Act.

31 USC Sec. 5112. Denominations, specifications, and design of coins
(e)(1) ...weight 31.103 grams;
(e)(4) have inscriptions ... 1 Oz. Fine Silver ... One Dollar

"Federal reserve notes are legal tender in absence of objection
thereto."
MacLeod v. Hoover (1925) 159 La 244, 105 So. 305

Article 1, Section 8. U.S. Constitution.
The Congress shall have Power
....To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
....To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and
fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Article 1, Section 10. U.S. Constitution No State shall
.... coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and
silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any ... Law impairing
the Obligation of Contracts, ...

[Note: Congress has no power to create money. It can 'coin' money -
stamp bullion into coin. If it had the power to create money, it
wouldn't need the power to borrow it. If you have not paid nor been
paid with lawful money, you have participated in a fraud if you
treated Federal Reserve Notes as 'dollars'.]


Bank holiday of 1933. Presidential Proclamation No.2039, issued March
6, 1933, and No. 2040, issued March 9, 1933, temporarily suspended
banking transactions by member banks of the Federal Reserve System.
Normal banking functions were resumed on March 13, subject to certain
restrictions. The first proclamation, it was held, had no authority in
law until the passage on March 9, 1933, of the ratifying act (12
U.S.C.A. Sec. 95b). The present law forbids member banks of the
Federal Reserve System to transact banking business, except under
regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury, during an emergency
proclaimed by the President.
12 U.S.C.A. Sec. 95.
Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 146

According to page 494 of the U.S. Government Manual, 1993/1994
edition:
"In addition , the Secretary (of Treasury) has many responsibilities
as chief financial officer of the Government. The Secretary serves as
Chairman pro tempore of the Economic Policy council and as U.S.
Governor of the International Monetary Fund, the International Bank
for Reconstruction and Development, the Inter-American Development
Bank, and the African Development Bank."


Title 22 USC Sec. 286a Appointments
(a) Governors and executive directors; term of office
The President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall
appoint a governor of the (International Monetary) Fund who shall also
serve as a governor of the (World) Bank, and an executive director of
the (International Monetary) Fund and an executive director of the
Bank. ...
(d) Compensation for services
(1) No person shall be entitled to receive any salary or other
compensation from the United States for services as a Governor,
executive director, councilor, alternate, or associate.
(2) The United States executive director of the Fund shall not be
compensated by the Fund at a rate in excess of the rate ...

[Note: The Secretary of Treasury may be an appointee of the President,
but he SHALL NOT BE PAID BY THE U.S. Government. His regulations are
in force and effect during this "State of Emergency" originally
declared in 1933. And which department does the "Secret Service"
belong to?]

Does that satisfy your thirst for facts?
 
On Nov 29, 11:33 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:
> You are clueless and ignorant.
> If any candidate espouses the notion of a sound currency - minus the
> plutocratic machinations of the fed reserve it IS Ron Paul.
>
> Get yer facts straight before you yap again.


TITLE 12,CHAPTER 3,SUBCHAPTER XII,sec. 411. Issuance to reserve banks;
nature of obligation; redemption
" Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board
of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making
advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents
as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The
said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be
receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks
and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be
redeemed in LAWFUL MONEY on demand at the Treasury Department of the
United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at
any Federal Reserve bank."

LAWFUL MONEY - "The terms 'lawful money' and 'lawful money of the
United States' shall be construed to mean gold or silver coin of the
United States..."
Title 12 United States Code, Sec. 152.

"Dollars, or units; each to be of the value of a Spanish milled as the
same is now current, and to contain three hundred and seventy-one
grains and four-sixteenths parts of a grain of pure, or four hundred
and sixteen grains of standard, silver."
--- Sec. 9, Coinage Act of 1792, January 1792

According to Title 31 of the U.S. code, a silver dollar complies with
the original Coinage Act.

31 USC Sec. 5112. Denominations, specifications, and design of coins
(e)(1) ...weight 31.103 grams;
(e)(4) have inscriptions ... 1 Oz. Fine Silver ... One Dollar

"Federal reserve notes are legal tender in absence of objection
thereto."
MacLeod v. Hoover (1925) 159 La 244, 105 So. 305

Article 1, Section 8. U.S. Constitution.
The Congress shall have Power
....To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
....To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and
fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Article 1, Section 10. U.S. Constitution No State shall
.... coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and
silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any ... Law impairing
the Obligation of Contracts, ...

[Note: Congress has no power to create money. It can 'coin' money -
stamp bullion into coin. If it had the power to create money, it
wouldn't need the power to borrow it. If you have not paid nor been
paid with lawful money, you have participated in a fraud if you
treated Federal Reserve Notes as 'dollars'.]


Bank holiday of 1933. Presidential Proclamation No.2039, issued March
6, 1933, and No. 2040, issued March 9, 1933, temporarily suspended
banking transactions by member banks of the Federal Reserve System.
Normal banking functions were resumed on March 13, subject to certain
restrictions. The first proclamation, it was held, had no authority in
law until the passage on March 9, 1933, of the ratifying act (12
U.S.C.A. Sec. 95b). The present law forbids member banks of the
Federal Reserve System to transact banking business, except under
regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury, during an emergency
proclaimed by the President.
12 U.S.C.A. Sec. 95.
Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 146

According to page 494 of the U.S. Government Manual, 1993/1994
edition:
"In addition , the Secretary (of Treasury) has many responsibilities
as chief financial officer of the Government. The Secretary serves as
Chairman pro tempore of the Economic Policy council and as U.S.
Governor of the International Monetary Fund, the International Bank
for Reconstruction and Development, the Inter-American Development
Bank, and the African Development Bank."


Title 22 USC Sec. 286a Appointments
(a) Governors and executive directors; term of office
The President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall
appoint a governor of the (International Monetary) Fund who shall also
serve as a governor of the (World) Bank, and an executive director of
the (International Monetary) Fund and an executive director of the
Bank. ...
(d) Compensation for services
(1) No person shall be entitled to receive any salary or other
compensation from the United States for services as a Governor,
executive director, councilor, alternate, or associate.
(2) The United States executive director of the Fund shall not be
compensated by the Fund at a rate in excess of the rate ...

[Note: The Secretary of Treasury may be an appointee of the President,
but he SHALL NOT BE PAID BY THE U.S. Government. His regulations are
in force and effect during this "State of Emergency" originally
declared in 1933. And which department does the "Secret Service"
belong to?]

Does that satisfy your thirst for facts?
 
On Nov 30, 12:55 am, jetgraphics <jetgraph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 29, 11:33 pm, lorad...@cs.com wrote:

You are clueless and ignorant.
If any candidate espouses the notion of a sound currency - minus the
plutocratic machinations of the fed reserve it IS Ron Paul.

Get yer facts straight before you yap again.
 
"jetgraphics" <jetgraphics@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e41d1ebf-a379-40ff-bc82-2f9200749186@t47g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Candidate / Congressman Ron Paul is no solution when he's part of the
> problem


He sure seems to have a lot of you folks running scared.


--
If there was supposed to be a separation of church
and state in the US Constitution, why did the founders
put the words "in the year of our Lord" in it?

From the Federalist Papers:

The second method will be exemplified in the federal
republic of the United States. Whilst all authority in it
will be derived from and dependent on the society,
the society itself will be broken into so many parts,
interests and classes of citizens, that the rights of
individuals, or of the minority, will be in little danger
from interested combinations of the majority.
In a free government the security for civil rights must
be the same as that for RELIGIOUS RIGHTS.
It consists in the one case in the multiplicity of interests,
and in the other in the multiplicity of SECTS. The degree
of security in both cases will depend on the number of
interests and SECTS

JC
 
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