Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity, Stiffed by the Media

Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity, Stiffed by the Media

By Brent Budowsky

Created Nov 5 2007 - 4:26pm

The Ron Paul phenomenon is worth serious attention because in a campaign

that is vapid and empty of substance, this guy is the real deal.

Please note: Rep. Paul (R-Texas) would cut or end many of the programs that

serve the children, the poor and the seniors and turn those responsibilities

over to the free market. Bad idea.

However: Ron Paul is a true libertarian and devout believer in the freedoms

guaranteed by the Constitution at a time when virtually no major candidate

in either party speaks of these matters with conviction and Congress does

not stand up like a lion in defense of them.

To Ron Paul, the Constitution is sacred. He does not do focus groups to

determine his support for freedom.

It is entertaining and profound to watch Paul, a veteran, speak in these

debates against a disastrous war policy, standing near candidates competing

for who can start the most new unwise wars, being hissed at by angry

audiences ready to send others to die and ready to throw out long-held

constitutional values.

Of course, the national political reporters don't have a clue about him.

They are forced to report about him because he raises more money than Sen.

John McCain (R-Ariz.). The issue they should be reporting is why so many

people give money to a candidate because of what he stands for, and believes

in, even when they disagree with many things he says.

Then again, the media treat Sens. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) and Joseph Biden

(D-Del.) and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D) as though they don't exist

even though all three have earned the right, through experience and

achievement, to be heard. Yet they have not been heard, from day one until

today.

It will be interesting to watch whether Ron Paul ends up running as a

third-party libertarian candidate, in which case he will win enough support

to affect the outcome, forcing the national press to pay attention to him.

Agree with him or not, let's tip our hat to Ron Paul, a great voice of

authenticity, integrity and ideas, which are all, sadly, in short supply in

American politics today.

[brent asks that you crosspost your comments to The Hill, where this blog

entry also appears [1]. --JT]

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About author Brent Budowsky served as Legislative Assistant to U.S. Senator

Lloyd Bentsen, responsible for commerce and intelligence matters, including

one of the core drafters of the CIA Identities Law. Served as Legislative

Director to Congressman Bill Alexander, then Chief Deputy Whip, House of

Representatives. Currently a member of the International Advisory Council of

the Intelligence Summit. Left goverment in 1990 for marketing and public

affairs business including major corporate entertainment and talent

management. He can be reached at brentbbi@webtv.net [2].

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"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote:

>Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity

Bullshit. Ron Paul is just another god damned politician. He's

zero different than the rest of the Totalitarian fascists in our

government.

---

"Every time the Iraqi people stop to reload, the Republicans declare

"Mission Accomplished" -- SK

NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote in

news:13j2eef5rabg1b0@corp.supernews.com:

> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote:

>

>>Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity

>

> Bullshit. Ron Paul is just another god damned politician.

And as a Texas Republican he has ZERO chance of getting

elected to a national office. He can thank Bush for that.

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:57:19 -0600, Mitchell Holman <Noemailplease@comcast.com> wrote:

>NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote in

>news:13j2eef5rabg1b0@corp.supernews.com:

>

>> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity

>>

>> Bullshit. Ron Paul is just another god damned politician.

>

>

> And as a Texas Republican he has ZERO chance of getting

>elected to a national office. He can thank Bush for that.

Ron Paul was never fooled into supporting the illegal invasion of Iraq.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/5278017.html

Friendly Fred wrote:

> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote:

>

>>Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity

>

> Bullshit. Ron Paul is just another god damned politician. He's

> zero different than the rest of the Totalitarian fascists in our

> government.

>

If you will take a minute to look at his congressional voting record,

you will see he's quite a bit different than the rank and file trash

running our government.

On Nov 6, 1:00 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com>

wrote:

> Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity, Stiffed by the Media

Though at first I did not like him, I am now starting

to be impressed by him and Ron Paul could very well become the

breakthrough candidate of 08.

More importantly, he could become the rallying point for the greatest

political revolution in this country since the civil war,

a revolution in which the depredations of the lobbyists and special

interests and contractors are put to rest ONCE AND FOR ALL.

I am starting to follow his campaign with great interest.

EVERY Citizen should.

Citizen Jimserac

>>>Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity

>>

>> Bullshit. Ron Paul is just another god damned politician. He's

>> zero different than the rest of the Totalitarian fascists in our

>> government.

> If you will take a minute to look at his congressional voting record,

> you will see he's quite a bit different than the rank and file trash

> running our government.

Yeah. He actually wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, instead of leaving it alive

for a political football like everyone else...

--

Phlip

Phlip wrote:

>

>> If you will take a minute to look at his congressional voting

>> record, you will see he's quite a bit different than the rank and

>> file trash running our government.

>

> Yeah. He actually wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, instead of leaving

> it alive for a political football like everyone else...

>

Cite please.

> Ron Paul was never fooled into supporting the illegal invasion of Iraq.

>

> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/5278017.html

RP was fooled into attacking Afganistan.

--

Phlip

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:14:30 -0800, "Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Ron Paul was never fooled into supporting the illegal invasion of Iraq.

>>

>> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/5278017.html

>

>RP was fooled into attacking Afganistan.

"The terrorist enemy is no more an entity than the "mob"or some international criminal

gang. It certainly is not a country, nor is it the Afghan people. The Taliban is obviously

a strong sympathizer with bin Laden and his henchmen, but how much more so than the

government of Saudi Arabia or even Pakistan? Probably not much."

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr112901.htm

"Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:jeydnY1d9qL4WazanZ2dnUVZ_tyknZ2d@adelphia.com...

>>>>Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity

>>>

>>> Bullshit. Ron Paul is just another god damned politician. He's

>>> zero different than the rest of the Totalitarian fascists in our

>>> government.

>

>> If you will take a minute to look at his congressional voting record,

>> you will see he's quite a bit different than the rank and file trash

>> running our government.

>

> Yeah. He actually wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, instead of leaving it

> alive for a political football like everyone else...

>

> --

> Phlip

Maybe that's because he is an MD and knows when life really does begin.

--

Dissent is a luxury afforded those who are

protected by much better men and women.

http://www.reason.com/

JC

US wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:57:19 -0600, Mitchell Holman <Noemailplease@comcast.com> wrote:

>>NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote in

>>news:13j2eef5rabg1b0@corp.supernews.com:

>>> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote:

>>>>Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity

>>> Bullshit. Ron Paul is just another god damned politician.

>>And as a Texas Republican he has ZERO chance of getting

>>elected to a national office. He can thank Bush for that.

>Ron Paul was never fooled into supporting the illegal invasion of Iraq.

He just worked for Richard Nixon and assisted in those Republican

crimes and treason against us.

---

"Every time the Iraqi people stop to reload, the Republicans declare

"Mission Accomplished" -- SK

On Nov 6, 11:07 pm, NoneOfYourFuckingBusiness...@aol.COM (Friendly

Fred) wrote:

> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> wrote:

> >Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity

>

> Bullshit. Ron Paul is just another god damned politician. He's

> zero different than the rest of the Totalitarian fascists in our

> government.

There is a difference between not going along with something and

putting one's foot on the accelerator towards a totalitarian state.

At least with Paul, you aren't seeing a candidate who wants to rush to

a totalitarian state. Paul needs to be in the debate as long as

possible, so people hear the message and can finally decide whether or

not they want to live in a totalitarian state, that makes fake

promises to people that it can care for them from cradle to grave.

- Rich

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:16:54 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred)

wrote:

> US wrote:

>>On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:57:19 -0600, Mitchell Holman <Noemailplease@comcast.com> wrote:

>

>>>NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote in

>>>news:13j2eef5rabg1b0@corp.supernews.com:

>>>> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity

>>>> Bullshit. Ron Paul is just another god damned politician.

>>>And as a Texas Republican he has ZERO chance of getting

>>>elected to a national office. He can thank Bush for that.

>>Ron Paul was never fooled into supporting the illegal invasion of Iraq.

>

>He just worked for Richard Nixon ...

"When Ron Paul entered politics, it was to protest

Richard Nixon's price and wage controls"

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/014565.html

In article <1194561024.626662.300900@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,

Rich Hutnik <getrich@1upandup.com> wrote:

> On Nov 6, 11:07 pm, NoneOfYourFuckingBusiness...@aol.COM (Friendly

> Fred) wrote:

> > "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com> wrote:

> > >Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity

> >

> > Bullshit. Ron Paul is just another god damned politician. He's

> > zero different than the rest of the Totalitarian fascists in our

> > government.

>

> There is a difference between not going along with something and

> putting one's foot on the accelerator towards a totalitarian state.

> At least with Paul, you aren't seeing a candidate who wants to rush to

> a totalitarian state. Paul needs to be in the debate as long as

> possible, so people hear the message and can finally decide whether or

> not they want to live in a totalitarian state, that makes fake

> promises to people that it can care for them from cradle to grave.

>

> - Rich

He's still a fascist. He's just smart enough to see how stupid the

unnecessary war is. Other than that, he's worse than Regan and if

you're not rich, he will throw your stupid out on the street when you

get older.

--

the dang

Rightwing truism. "If it fears right, it must be true." --rg

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On Nov 6, 1:00?pm, "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com>

wrote:

> Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity, Stiffed by the Media

>

> By Brent Budowsky

> Created Nov 5 2007 - 4:26pm

>

> The Ron Paul phenomenon is worth serious attention because in a campaign

> that is vapid and empty of substance, this guy is the real deal.

>

The press, government and those in charge suppressing and

hiding...what's new

Yes, Ron Paul sounds good. Heard him today on TV.

But Ron Paul can't fix us...we are screwed unless we come up with new

energy sources that replace our rapidly declining fossil fuel

sources.

And the new sources must replace the old very closely in order to keep

the status quo AKA retirement fund from tanking - which is what fuels

much of the governments agenda.

That is why the government hides so much...it would raise hell with

the Dow.

Now, if Ron Paul wants to take our hand and restructure the US and

downsize us to live within our means, he may be the right man for the

job.

But again, that job is almost an impossibility no matter who the Pres

is.

What about going public to American and laying it all on the table?

Can we cut back on GNP by 25%?

Cut back on utility use at home by 25%

Cut back on driving by 25%?

Cut back on consumption whether it be food or hard goods by 25%?

Cut back on interstate trucking by 25%?

And cut back in all related areas that use energy by 25%?

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Will these cuts fix out problem anyway?

No..it would just slow down the inevitable.

The 'public' gets their underpants in a bind when the GNP drops at

all...even when it is still in the positive numbers.

They start a panic in the stock market when the GNP is +1%, so how can

it survive a -25% GNP drop?.

And as for cutting back on our demands...well it goes against the

American dream.

Are you starting to see the folly of thinking mankind fix this dilemma

when our country is built on such a ludicrous foundation?

There is no 'simple or easy answer' to this issue nor is there even a

'not so simple and hard answer' to our dilemma.

I wrote to 15 of the largest newspapers in the US and a half dozen

news magazines about this subject and not one publication was

interested. I also wrote to Al Gore...no response.

A copy of that letter for your perusal:

It seems everyone wishes to hide their heads in the sand when it comes

to this subject of peak oil. We can't depend on the President to come

clean with the public. All his energies are spent just trying to keep

the oil flowing. He can't admit that the oil will stop in the not so

distant future, no matter what we do. It is a problem beyond his as

well as all of our control.

As they say in 12 Step programs - admitting you have a problem is step

1. And our country cannot admit it, after all, admitting this problem

would raise hell with our retirement funds. And until we can admit it,

we cannot begin on our long road to a 'semblance' of recovery.

And in the big picture, we can't fix the problem, we can only postpone

the inevitable. But buying a little more time would make things much

more livable in the not so distant future than the current path we are

headed in.

The world is in a death spiral and politicians as well as industry are

pretending this problem does not exist. We can only blame ourselves,

for it is just how we have built our world over the years....too many

people, living outside of natures intended balance and not an infinite

supply of energy to fuel all our demands.

It would be one thing if we all reverted back to rural living, burning

trees for fuel and housing and living within our comfortable means

allotted to us by nature, as our ancestors did back in the day. But

ten billion people can't burn the trees! (Ten billion people is a

conservative estimate of world population in the not so distant

future. We are at 7 people billion now.)

The World Coal Institute estimates world energy reserves as follows:

"At current production levels coal will be available for at least the

next 155 years compared to 41 years for oil and 65 years for gas."

http://www.worldcoal.org/pages/content/index.asp?PageID=21

Even though this was written a few years ago and it is based on

'current production and consumption' it gives the same haunting

message to the generations to come.

We may not exactly see the end of our free flowing energy as we know

it - but some of our descendants will in the not so distant future.

This is the legacy they will inherit from us. But before the energy

dries up completely massive changes in our world will have taken

place.

Our population has grown to levels where it has passed the point of no

return for supporting a sustainable human population as we know it

today when it comes to their energy demands.

And leading the pack of over consumers is the USA.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption

Consumption is ingrained in us and we know no other way. And even if

we wished to amend our ways, how could all our retirement funds take

the hit? America is built on borrowed money, spending and consumerism.

And what does all that consumerism lead to?

It leads to the mess we are in now and the bigger mess the world will

be in once India and China pick up momentum to copycat the envious

lifestyle that they have held in high esteem as the 'American Dream'

You see, the problem is not with the earth having enough land for all

its people - the problem is with earth providing ad infinitum for all

the needs the people crave.

The more people born, the more heat is produced from their life and

all their cravings, As such, the warmer and more polluted the earth

gets and the more energy they all use and the earths resources are

depleted.

Fueling the problem of consumption is the games the Federal and World

banks play with interest rates. They manage the economies in ways to

fuel consumption and mask the real trend. Witness the recent cries for

Federal bankers to lower interest rates...so the stock market can go

up...fueled by spending of the consumer.

It is drug habit that Greenspan got us hooked on and we just can't get

away from.

Our economy is not based on sustainable health - it is based low

interest credit to encourage compulsive spending, debt and living a

life of constant consumption with a 'disposable mentality' when it

comes to durable goods.

All this consumption to artificially fuel our economy to make our

retirement funds only go up contributes to more and more global

warming and the depletion of our natural resources. Then the

governments juggle the numbers to make the inflation figures seem

artificially low, so everyone's retirement portfolio will make them

happy so they will continue to buy and consume more...and on it

goes....IT IS ALL WE KNOW

You see, no other animal destroys its environment except mankind. We

are the only ones that do not accept and live within our comfortable

means. We not only debt with our finances we debt with our

environment. What we are borrowing in terms of petroleum, coal and

natural gas takes millions of years for nature to make. Yet we are

using it all up in just a few hundred years...we can never pay it

back.

I think our countries future will be....'America...a Democratic,

Communist Nation Under God.'

And maybe I am using the wrong word with communism? Maybe it should be

Nationalism? Socialism? I don't know since I have little interest in

politics.

As far for what I means, it could be compared somewhat to Plato's

Republic. Where the republic came first and people came second. But

with the US, the injection of Democratic values as well as a spiritual

foundation that supports our country would 'hopefully' separate us

from the atheist based communists that have been run as

dictatorships.

Without energy our country is open for takeover ... no jets...no

tanks...no transport on the ground or in the air. Luckily we will

still have nuclear powered submarines and aircraft carriers as long as

the uranium holds out. But the jets on the flattop all use jet fuel.

All the supplies for those subs and carriers petroleum dependent. So

long before the crude dries up the government must 'secure a supply'

of crude for it own needs.

Other countries such as Russia that have a good supply of crude may

not be so kind to keep on selling it to us and we need a 'local and

continual' source somewhat within our borders. You see, jet fuel as

well as gasoline deteriorates and cannot be stored indefinitely. So we

must always be producing some of it to replace the stale stuff to

supply the military. But, that's why we elect politicians to deal with

these troubles

As our world changes and our drug supply dries up, things will only

get worse. And the bigger the city - the bigger the hellhole it will

become. And this time RIGHT NOW is the defining moment as to whether

most of our population will die off or not in the crisis that awaits

us in the not so distant future.

When it comes to the future, I see people living in miniature houses

(the lucky ones that survive that is, after all most of the population

died off long ago from starvation, freezing to death or from the

riots) with roofs shingled completely with solar material.

They drive up to their house on an electric scooter that is recharged

from their solar roof. If they are higher up the totem pole they may

have a solar golf cart. But in either case, luck must still be on

their side for without the sun shinning to charge it, their

transportation sits idle. (Not much lead left to build big

batteries...China gobbled it all up, so we have to make due with very

small storage cells.)

They work for the government and in exchange the government feeds and

clothes them from their warehouses. You see, we have become a sort of

'Communist Democracy' for without that bold leap and a desire 'to put

our country first' Russia or China would have stepped in to acquire

some new real estate.

The warehouses are fed from government owned coal fired steam

locomotives. Diesel dried up long ago, so it was either wood or coal

to fuel the trains. It did not take our government long to realize

this. the electric plants only had to shut down sporadically for 8

months so until they could build the first of a large fleet of steam

locomotives.

This was a 'slight' government oversight. They never figured that the

coal fired power plants were fed with 'diesel powered' locomotives.

They kept concentrated on the prediction that we had a hundred of

years of coal left, but were oblivious as to how that coal is

delivered to the power plant. But all these changes have some bright

spots in them. As the coal producers were able to hire many more

workers to manually mine coal, as the diesel powered mining equipment

sit idle from lack of diesel fuel.

Now some of the states or bigger cities had the foresight to build one

or two electric rail trolleys for public transport. Your only problem

is getting to the main road to catch the trolley and then it is a

straight ride to the government warehouse.

What happened to Private industry & Money?

Money is nothing more than stored energy. But since the crude dried

up, the 'real energy' behind the money has vanished...and so did

private industry. What about the coal mines...all government owned. If

you want to eat you work..it is that simple.

So, what is money good for nowadays...to wipe your ass?

Not really, the government supplied toilet paper works better than

that.

Martha Stewart syndrome died out long ago, now people are happy to eat

rice and beans and get a clean glass of water to drink.

After all, the government can't afford to fool around decorating

everyone's house, they can hardly produce enough food to keep a

fraction of the population alive. Yes, tractors, reapers and farming

is very crude intensive...but no one bothered to think about that as

they continued to squander the worlds petroleum resources.

On a positive note, since most of the population died off from

'natural causes', the government does not have to worry about passing

'population control' any longer. They tried to get that universally

opposed program passed for many years, but the public just would not

go for it...too UN-American...goes against our religious

upbringings...too controversial and all of the rest. We can still hear

the cries now...Communist!...Atheist!...Baby

Killer....Hitler....Impeach the President!!!!

Such objections are only subjective and prejudicial states of mind.

As such, all problems related to 'controversial subjects' such as this

are problems created in the mind...the mind of ego based, prejudicial

man. If you find yourself being distracted with such thoughts as 'too

controversial' just ask yourself if the proposed controversy is true,

false or I don't know?

This introspective method may help you become truth based and not ego

based. You will have made a 'choice divorced of need'...you wont 'need

your ego' to support the truth...the truth will be able to stand on

its own.

But nature helped us humans out with that hard decision - for nature

does not discriminate nor find the truth too controversial or

provocative or opinionated to be true. And in the end, nature settled

the dispute of population control with even handed justice of 75% of

our population dying off, ever reminding us all that nature does not

bow to man...it is always man that bows to nature.

But, people hold no grudges against nature and are more in harmony

with nature and enjoy a simpler life nowadays. People pick pine

needles from trees to make their tea, since there is no jet fuel to

import any Darjeeling tea or coffee. Once in a while people are able

to kill a bird, a rat or cat to supplement their diet - so we still

can find a place of gratitude in our life for such gifts.

Of course one problem still haunts the world?

The last remaining buckets of crude will soon be gone and they have

still not found out how to make the tires for the solar powered golf

carts and scooters without that critical ingredient of crude oil?

Add it all together and you have 'America...a Democratic, Communist

Nation Under God.' as the 'best fit ' equation.

And for dessert add 'politics as usual' and we can see nothing

substantive will be done in the US to fix our energy woes until it is

too late. (Really it can't be fixed, we can only slowed down the

inevitable at this point.)

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F

BTW, do I like communism?

No, I like things EXACTLY as they are. But what I like doesn't

matter...neither does what you like matter. That's the point, for the

US to survive, we must put 'what matters to our country' on the front

burner. And as our country survives so do we survive.

Alan Watts used to say, it doesn't matter what you think, it doesn't

matter what you like, it doesn't matter what you hope for...all that

really matters is what IS.

Sure we keep our treasured paper money, our guns, and what have you.

The atheists can still be atheists and the Christians, Muslims and

Jews can still worship as they like...that is why we would be a free

democracy...of sorts.

But the difference is, instead of the ego based decisions that

politicians and the titans of business get sucked into, they will put

the long term viability as top priority over personal profit. We must

all pull together and stop pulling in counterproductive directions.

The gov needs to cut the fat and stop all this foolish sickness that

they are addicted to in Washington. Hire yourself some truth based

philosophers and futurists as Socrates suggested in the Republic as an

oversight committee to keep you guys on track.

One important thing would be to add an addendum to the constitution or

bill of rights or whatever other documents that outlines what we are

'now' all about...something that is clear advice that we can all look

to and not the 1000 page BS that politician use to hide their

sickness.

And yes,...hiding behavior is a signpost of die-ease.

And put it right upfront in the addendum as to why things changed...we

were energy whores and had no other choice.

But realize this, throughout history many great nations that once were

are not around any longer. Hopefully the US will understand this and

start accepting the truth that something has to give and it can't be

business as usual...it doesn't matter what you like...it doesn't

matter what you hope for...all that really matters is what is.

See:

http://www.algore.org/forum/al_gore_news_and_events/gores_work_combat_climate_crisis/why_dont_we_do_anything_about_global_

http://www.amazon.com/Out-Gas-End-Age-Oil/dp/0393058573

http://www.amazon.com/Hubberts-Peak-Impending-World-Shortage/dp/0691116253

http://www.lastoilshock.com/

http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/

http://www.amazon.com/Resource-Wars-Landscape-Conflict-Introduction/dp/0805055762

http://www.amazon.com/Long-Emergency-Converging-Catastrophes-Twenty-First/dp/0871138883

http://dieoff.org/

Take care,

V (Male)

Agnostic Freethinker

Practical Philosopher

Futurist

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:30:58 -0500, US wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:16:54 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred)

>wrote:

>

>> US wrote:

>>>On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:57:19 -0600, Mitchell Holman <Noemailplease@comcast.com> wrote:

>>

>>>>NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote in

>>>>news:13j2eef5rabg1b0@corp.supernews.com:

>>>>> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity

>>>>> Bullshit. Ron Paul is just another god damned politician.

>>>>And as a Texas Republican he has ZERO chance of getting

>>>>elected to a national office. He can thank Bush for that.

>>>Ron Paul was never fooled into supporting the illegal invasion of Iraq.

>>

>>He just worked for Richard Nixon ...

>

>"When Ron Paul entered politics, it was to protest

>Richard Nixon's price and wage controls"

When anyone considers Ron Paul as a viable candidate

they're plain nuts.

Loonytarian "principles" nearly ruined us a century

ago.

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:46:49 GMT, dangdangdoodIe

<notea-thanks@islandnet.com> wrote:

>He's still a fascist. He's just smart enough to see how stupid the

>unnecessary war is. Other than that, he's worse than Regan and if

>you're not rich, he will throw your stupid out on the street when you

>get older.

Ron Paul believes in a system where there wouldn't be

any government to keep the wealthy and powerful from

screwing you.

Just like at the turn of the 20th century

No government

No rules

No regulations (in just about anything)

Survival of the fittest

V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in

news:1194573399.774417.96610@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com:

> On Nov 6, 1:00?pm, "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfg...@infectedmail.com>

> wrote:

>> Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity, Stiffed by the Media

>>

>> By Brent Budowsky

>> Created Nov 5 2007 - 4:26pm

>>

>> The Ron Paul phenomenon is worth serious attention because in a

>> campaign that is vapid and empty of substance, this guy is the real

>> deal.

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> The press, government and those in charge suppressing and

> hiding...what's new

>

> Yes, Ron Paul sounds good. Heard him today on TV.

>

> But Ron Paul can't fix us...we are screwed unless we come up with new

> energy sources that replace our rapidly declining fossil fuel

> sources.

>

> And the new sources must replace the old very closely in order to keep

> the status quo AKA retirement fund from tanking - which is what fuels

> much of the governments agenda.

>

> That is why the government hides so much...it would raise hell with

> the Dow.

>

> Now, if Ron Paul wants to take our hand and restructure the US and

> downsize us to live within our means, he may be the right man for the

> job.

>

> But again, that job is almost an impossibility no matter who the Pres

> is.

>

> What about going public to American and laying it all on the table?

>

> Can we cut back on GNP by 25%?

>

> Cut back on utility use at home by 25%

>

> Cut back on driving by 25%?

>

> Cut back on consumption whether it be food or hard goods by 25%?

>

> Cut back on interstate trucking by 25%?

>

> And cut back in all related areas that use energy by 25%?

>

> ABSOLUTELY NOT!

>

> Will these cuts fix out problem anyway?

>

> No..it would just slow down the inevitable.

>

> The 'public' gets their underpants in a bind when the GNP drops at

> all...even when it is still in the positive numbers.

>

> They start a panic in the stock market when the GNP is +1%, so how can

> it survive a -25% GNP drop?.

>

> And as for cutting back on our demands...well it goes against the

> American dream.

>

> Are you starting to see the folly of thinking mankind fix this dilemma

> when our country is built on such a ludicrous foundation?

>

> There is no 'simple or easy answer' to this issue nor is there even a

> 'not so simple and hard answer' to our dilemma.

>

> I wrote to 15 of the largest newspapers in the US and a half dozen

> news magazines about this subject and not one publication was

> interested. I also wrote to Al Gore...no response.

>

> A copy of that letter for your perusal:

>

> It seems everyone wishes to hide their heads in the sand when it comes

> to this subject of peak oil. We can't depend on the President to come

> clean with the public. All his energies are spent just trying to keep

> the oil flowing. He can't admit that the oil will stop in the not so

> distant future, no matter what we do. It is a problem beyond his as

> well as all of our control.

>

> As they say in 12 Step programs - admitting you have a problem is step

> 1. And our country cannot admit it, after all, admitting this problem

> would raise hell with our retirement funds. And until we can admit it,

> we cannot begin on our long road to a 'semblance' of recovery.

>

> And in the big picture, we can't fix the problem, we can only postpone

> the inevitable. But buying a little more time would make things much

> more livable in the not so distant future than the current path we are

> headed in.

>

> The world is in a death spiral and politicians as well as industry are

> pretending this problem does not exist. We can only blame ourselves,

> for it is just how we have built our world over the years....too many

> people, living outside of natures intended balance and not an infinite

> supply of energy to fuel all our demands.

>

> It would be one thing if we all reverted back to rural living, burning

> trees for fuel and housing and living within our comfortable means

> allotted to us by nature, as our ancestors did back in the day. But

> ten billion people can't burn the trees! (Ten billion people is a

> conservative estimate of world population in the not so distant

> future. We are at 7 people billion now.)

>

> The World Coal Institute estimates world energy reserves as follows:

>

> "At current production levels coal will be available for at least the

> next 155 years compared to 41 years for oil and 65 years for gas."

>

> http://www.worldcoal.org/pages/content/index.asp?PageID=21

>

> Even though this was written a few years ago and it is based on

> 'current production and consumption' it gives the same haunting

> message to the generations to come.

>

> We may not exactly see the end of our free flowing energy as we know

> it - but some of our descendants will in the not so distant future.

> This is the legacy they will inherit from us. But before the energy

> dries up completely massive changes in our world will have taken

> place.

>

> Our population has grown to levels where it has passed the point of no

> return for supporting a sustainable human population as we know it

> today when it comes to their energy demands.

>

> And leading the pack of over consumers is the USA.

>

> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption

>

> Consumption is ingrained in us and we know no other way. And even if

> we wished to amend our ways, how could all our retirement funds take

> the hit? America is built on borrowed money, spending and consumerism.

>

> And what does all that consumerism lead to?

>

> It leads to the mess we are in now and the bigger mess the world will

> be in once India and China pick up momentum to copycat the envious

> lifestyle that they have held in high esteem as the 'American Dream'

>

> You see, the problem is not with the earth having enough land for all

> its people - the problem is with earth providing ad infinitum for all

> the needs the people crave.

>

> The more people born, the more heat is produced from their life and

> all their cravings, As such, the warmer and more polluted the earth

> gets and the more energy they all use and the earths resources are

> depleted.

>

> Fueling the problem of consumption is the games the Federal and World

> banks play with interest rates. They manage the economies in ways to

> fuel consumption and mask the real trend. Witness the recent cries for

> Federal bankers to lower interest rates...so the stock market can go

> up...fueled by spending of the consumer.

>

> It is drug habit that Greenspan got us hooked on and we just can't get

> away from.

>

> Our economy is not based on sustainable health - it is based low

> interest credit to encourage compulsive spending, debt and living a

> life of constant consumption with a 'disposable mentality' when it

> comes to durable goods.

>

> All this consumption to artificially fuel our economy to make our

> retirement funds only go up contributes to more and more global

> warming and the depletion of our natural resources. Then the

> governments juggle the numbers to make the inflation figures seem

> artificially low, so everyone's retirement portfolio will make them

> happy so they will continue to buy and consume more...and on it

> goes....IT IS ALL WE KNOW

>

> You see, no other animal destroys its environment except mankind. We

> are the only ones that do not accept and live within our comfortable

> means. We not only debt with our finances we debt with our

> environment. What we are borrowing in terms of petroleum, coal and

> natural gas takes millions of years for nature to make. Yet we are

> using it all up in just a few hundred years...we can never pay it

> back.

>

> I think our countries future will be....'America...a Democratic,

> Communist Nation Under God.'

>

> And maybe I am using the wrong word with communism? Maybe it should be

> Nationalism? Socialism? I don't know since I have little interest in

> politics.

>

> As far for what I means, it could be compared somewhat to Plato's

> Republic. Where the republic came first and people came second. But

> with the US, the injection of Democratic values as well as a spiritual

> foundation that supports our country would 'hopefully' separate us

> from the atheist based communists that have been run as

> dictatorships.

>

> Without energy our country is open for takeover ... no jets...no

> tanks...no transport on the ground or in the air. Luckily we will

> still have nuclear powered submarines and aircraft carriers as long as

> the uranium holds out. But the jets on the flattop all use jet fuel.

> All the supplies for those subs and carriers petroleum dependent. So

> long before the crude dries up the government must 'secure a supply'

> of crude for it own needs.

>

> Other countries such as Russia that have a good supply of crude may

> not be so kind to keep on selling it to us and we need a 'local and

> continual' source somewhat within our borders. You see, jet fuel as

> well as gasoline deteriorates and cannot be stored indefinitely. So we

> must always be producing some of it to replace the stale stuff to

> supply the military. But, that's why we elect politicians to deal with

> these troubles

>

> As our world changes and our drug supply dries up, things will only

> get worse. And the bigger the city - the bigger the hellhole it will

> become. And this time RIGHT NOW is the defining moment as to whether

> most of our population will die off or not in the crisis that awaits

> us in the not so distant future.

>

> When it comes to the future, I see people living in miniature houses

> (the lucky ones that survive that is, after all most of the population

> died off long ago from starvation, freezing to death or from the

> riots) with roofs shingled completely with solar material.

>

> They drive up to their house on an electric scooter that is recharged

> from their solar roof. If they are higher up the totem pole they may

> have a solar golf cart. But in either case, luck must still be on

> their side for without the sun shinning to charge it, their

> transportation sits idle. (Not much lead left to build big

> batteries...China gobbled it all up, so we have to make due with very

> small storage cells.)

>

> They work for the government and in exchange the government feeds and

> clothes them from their warehouses. You see, we have become a sort of

> 'Communist Democracy' for without that bold leap and a desire 'to put

> our country first' Russia or China would have stepped in to acquire

> some new real estate.

>

> The warehouses are fed from government owned coal fired steam

> locomotives. Diesel dried up long ago, so it was either wood or coal

> to fuel the trains. It did not take our government long to realize

> this. the electric plants only had to shut down sporadically for 8

> months so until they could build the first of a large fleet of steam

> locomotives.

>

> This was a 'slight' government oversight. They never figured that the

> coal fired power plants were fed with 'diesel powered' locomotives.

> They kept concentrated on the prediction that we had a hundred of

> years of coal left, but were oblivious as to how that coal is

> delivered to the power plant. But all these changes have some bright

> spots in them. As the coal producers were able to hire many more

> workers to manually mine coal, as the diesel powered mining equipment

> sit idle from lack of diesel fuel.

>

> Now some of the states or bigger cities had the foresight to build one

> or two electric rail trolleys for public transport. Your only problem

> is getting to the main road to catch the trolley and then it is a

> straight ride to the government warehouse.

>

> What happened to Private industry & Money?

>

> Money is nothing more than stored energy. But since the crude dried

> up, the 'real energy' behind the money has vanished...and so did

> private industry. What about the coal mines...all government owned. If

> you want to eat you work..it is that simple.

>

> So, what is money good for nowadays...to wipe your ass?

>

> Not really, the government supplied toilet paper works better than

> that.

>

> Martha Stewart syndrome died out long ago, now people are happy to eat

> rice and beans and get a clean glass of water to drink.

>

> After all, the government can't afford to fool around decorating

> everyone's house, they can hardly produce enough food to keep a

> fraction of the population alive. Yes, tractors, reapers and farming

> is very crude intensive...but no one bothered to think about that as

> they continued to squander the worlds petroleum resources.

>

> On a positive note, since most of the population died off from

> 'natural causes', the government does not have to worry about passing

> 'population control' any longer. They tried to get that universally

> opposed program passed for many years, but the public just would not

> go for it...too UN-American...goes against our religious

> upbringings...too controversial and all of the rest. We can still hear

> the cries now...Communist!...Atheist!...Baby

> Killer....Hitler....Impeach the President!!!!

>

> Such objections are only subjective and prejudicial states of mind.

> As such, all problems related to 'controversial subjects' such as this

> are problems created in the mind...the mind of ego based, prejudicial

> man. If you find yourself being distracted with such thoughts as 'too

> controversial' just ask yourself if the proposed controversy is true,

> false or I don't know?

>

> This introspective method may help you become truth based and not ego

> based. You will have made a 'choice divorced of need'...you wont 'need

> your ego' to support the truth...the truth will be able to stand on

> its own.

>

> But nature helped us humans out with that hard decision - for nature

> does not discriminate nor find the truth too controversial or

> provocative or opinionated to be true. And in the end, nature settled

> the dispute of population control with even handed justice of 75% of

> our population dying off, ever reminding us all that nature does not

> bow to man...it is always man that bows to nature.

>

> But, people hold no grudges against nature and are more in harmony

> with nature and enjoy a simpler life nowadays. People pick pine

> needles from trees to make their tea, since there is no jet fuel to

> import any Darjeeling tea or coffee. Once in a while people are able

> to kill a bird, a rat or cat to supplement their diet - so we still

> can find a place of gratitude in our life for such gifts.

>

> Of course one problem still haunts the world?

>

> The last remaining buckets of crude will soon be gone and they have

> still not found out how to make the tires for the solar powered golf

> carts and scooters without that critical ingredient of crude oil?

>

> Add it all together and you have 'America...a Democratic, Communist

> Nation Under God.' as the 'best fit ' equation.

>

> And for dessert add 'politics as usual' and we can see nothing

> substantive will be done in the US to fix our energy woes until it is

> too late. (Really it can't be fixed, we can only slowed down the

> inevitable at this point.)

>

> See:

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F

>

>

> BTW, do I like communism?

>

> No, I like things EXACTLY as they are. But what I like doesn't

> matter...neither does what you like matter. That's the point, for the

> US to survive, we must put 'what matters to our country' on the front

> burner. And as our country survives so do we survive.

>

> Alan Watts used to say, it doesn't matter what you think, it doesn't

> matter what you like, it doesn't matter what you hope for...all that

> really matters is what IS.

>

> Sure we keep our treasured paper money, our guns, and what have you.

> The atheists can still be atheists and the Christians, Muslims and

> Jews can still worship as they like...that is why we would be a free

> democracy...of sorts.

>

> But the difference is, instead of the ego based decisions that

> politicians and the titans of business get sucked into, they will put

> the long term viability as top priority over personal profit. We must

> all pull together and stop pulling in counterproductive directions.

>

> The gov needs to cut the fat and stop all this foolish sickness that

> they are addicted to in Washington. Hire yourself some truth based

> philosophers and futurists as Socrates suggested in the Republic as an

> oversight committee to keep you guys on track.

>

> One important thing would be to add an addendum to the constitution or

> bill of rights or whatever other documents that outlines what we are

> 'now' all about...something that is clear advice that we can all look

> to and not the 1000 page BS that politician use to hide their

> sickness.

>

> And yes,...hiding behavior is a signpost of die-ease.

>

> And put it right upfront in the addendum as to why things changed...we

> were energy whores and had no other choice.

>

> But realize this, throughout history many great nations that once were

> are not around any longer. Hopefully the US will understand this and

> start accepting the truth that something has to give and it can't be

> business as usual...it doesn't matter what you like...it doesn't

> matter what you hope for...all that really matters is what is.

>

>

>

> See:

>

> http://www.algore.org/forum/al_gore_news_and_events/gores_work_combat_

c

> limate_crisis/why_dont_we_do_anything_about_global_

>

> http://www.amazon.com/Out-Gas-End-Age-Oil/dp/0393058573

>

> http://www.amazon.com/Hubberts-Peak-Impending-World-

Shortage/dp/0691116

> 253

>

> http://www.lastoilshock.com/

>

> http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/

>

> http://www.amazon.com/Resource-Wars-Landscape-Conflict-

Introduction/dp/

> 0805055762

>

> http://www.amazon.com/Long-Emergency-Converging-Catastrophes-Twenty-

Fir

> st/dp/0871138883

>

> http://dieoff.org/

>

>

> Take care,

>

>

> V (Male)

>

> Agnostic Freethinker

> Practical Philosopher

> Futurist

>

>

>

>

IT's a little late to implement his ideas, which are nothing new by the

way.

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:15:24 -0700, Click@Knicklas.com wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:30:58 -0500, US wrote:

>>On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:16:54 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote:

>>> US wrote:

>>>>On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:57:19 -0600, Mitchell Holman <Noemailplease@comcast.com> wrote:

>>>>>NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote in news:13j2eef5rabg1b0@corp.supernews.com:

>>>>>> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>Ron Paul: Voice of Integrity

>>>>>> Bullshit. Ron Paul is just another god damned politician.

>>>>>And as a Texas Republican he has ZERO chance of getting

>>>>>elected to a national office. He can thank Bush for that.

>>>>Ron Paul was never fooled into supporting the illegal invasion of Iraq.

>>>

>>>He just worked for Richard Nixon ...

>>

>>"When Ron Paul entered politics, it was to protest

>>Richard Nixon's price and wage controls"

>

>When anyone considers Ron Paul as a viable candidate

>they're plain nuts.

>

>Loonytarian "principles" nearly ruined us a century

>ago.

Bush has definitely ruined the USA now, and he

never should have been a viable candidate.

"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth

about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would

be chased down in the streets and lynched."

-George H. W. "Poppy" Bush, spoken in an interview with

Sarah McClendon, June 1992

http://chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display/61956/index.php

US wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:16:54 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred)

>wrote:

>>He just worked for Richard Nixon ...

>"When Ron Paul entered politics, it was to protest

>Richard Nixon's price and wage controls"

Yesh, and Jimmy Swaggart was only purchasing prostitutes and asking

about screwing their 7-year-old daughters as "research." I know.

And you actually believe this lie? Seriously? How many times does

it take for politicians to lie about their activities and the finances

and their motivations before you'll wise up? Have you ever?

I don't mean to offend anyone but honestly I'm amazed that some people

actually still seem to think that their politicians / cult leader is

some how different than all the rest despite knowing better.

---

"Every time the Iraqi people stop to reload, the Republicans declare

"Mission Accomplished" -- SK

Click@Knicklas.com wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:30:58 -0500, US wrote:

>>"When Ron Paul entered politics, it was to protest

>>Richard Nixon's price and wage controls"

>When anyone considers Ron Paul as a viable candidate they're plain nuts.

>Loonytarian "principles" nearly ruined us a century ago.

I would say that loony ideologies is why the United States is in the

condition it is today -- that and an inability to learn from history

among a third of the poplace.

---

"Every time the Iraqi people stop to reload, the Republicans declare

"Mission Accomplished" -- SK

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:20:41 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred)

wrote:

>... Jimmy Swaggart was only purchasing prostitutes and asking

>about screwing their 7-year-old daughters as "research." I ...

Why do you admire those who do such things?

Note that the desperate bushkultie is utterly incapable

of refuting anything said at the link given:

"When Ron Paul entered politics, it was to protest

Richard Nixon's price and wage controls"

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/014565.html

US wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:20:41 GMT, NoneOfYourFuckingBusinessPal@aol.COM (Friendly Fred) wrote:

>>... Jimmy Swaggart was only purchasing prostitutes and asking

>>about screwing their 7-year-old daughters as "research." I ...

>Why

Yesh, and Jimmy Swaggart was only purchasing prostitutes and asking

about screwing their 7-year-old daughters as "research." I know.

And you actually believe this lie? Seriously? How many times does

it take for politicians to lie about their activities and the finances

and their motivations before you'll wise up? Have you ever?

I don't mean to offend anyone but honestly I'm amazed that some people

actually still seem to think that their politicians / cult leader is

some how different than all the rest despite knowing better.

---

"Every time the Iraqi people stop to reload, the Republicans declare

"Mission Accomplished" -- SK