Russian Navy Extends Med Excercises - Bosnian Connection ?

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Russia is planning naval exercises in the Mediterranean Sea and the
Atlantic Ocean in what it says is a bid to boost its presence and
protect shipping.

Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said battleships,
helicopters and aircraft would take part in a range of manoeuvres, due
to end in February.

This is the latest sign of a resurgence in Russia's military
capabilities, the BBC's Nick Childs says.

Russia recently resumed long-range patrols by its bomber aircraft.

The practise was suspended after the collapse of the Soviet Union and
was revived in August this year, as part of a more assertive foreign
policy pursued by President Vladimir Putin.

According to a Kremlin transcript, Mr Serdyukov told Mr Putin on
Wednesday that the "aim of the sorties is to ensure a naval presence
in tactically important regions of the world's oceans".

Mr Serdyukov said Russia's Black Sea fleet would monitor the
Mediterranean while its Northern Fleet would operate in the Atlantic.

Military analysts say Russia's boosted military presence is largely
symbolic.

Higher oil prices have enabled Russia to re-invest in its armed forces
but its military capabilities remain far below what they were during
the Soviet era, correspondents say.

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"Protect shipping" - in the Med ??? I'm unaware of any
Russian ships that have fallen prey to pirates in, oh
say, the past CENTURY in those waters.

Maybe they should patrol off Somalia instead.

Seems that Russia is making a big show of its newfound
wealth and revived military capacity. Let's hope it
STAYS just a "show".

Of course there may be a big showdown coming over the
independence of Kosovo. The US and much of UN want it,
Serbia and Russia say "No WAY !". The only direct
route to Bosnia is via the Adriatic Sea. The country is
almost completely landlocked except for one very tiny
(13 mile) stretch where it breaks up the Croatian
coastline.

If the Russian navy blockaded that stretch against sea
and air traffic under the flag of protecting Serbian
territorial integrity, then any military force would
have to cross Croatian territory. Would Croatia give
permission ? I doubt it. How could we back-up a Bosnian
independence movement without access to Bosnia ? Go
through the Russians ? Bad idea. Very bad. Russian
proxies are one thing, Russians themselves are another.
 
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:39:30 -0800 (PST), lorad474@cs.com wrote:

>On Dec 5, 10:30 am, b...@barrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:
>> BBC
>> Russia is planning naval exercises in the Mediterranean Sea and the
>> Atlantic Ocean in what it says is a bid to boost its presence and
>> protect shipping.
>>
>> Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said battleships,
>> helicopters and aircraft would take part in a range of manoeuvres, due
>> to end in February.
>>
>> This is the latest sign of a resurgence in Russia's military
>> capabilities, the BBC's Nick Childs says.
>>
>> Russia recently resumed long-range patrols by its bomber aircraft.
>>
>> The practise was suspended after the collapse of the Soviet Union and
>> was revived in August this year, as part of a more assertive foreign
>> policy pursued by President Vladimir Putin.
>>
>> According to a Kremlin transcript, Mr Serdyukov told Mr Putin on
>> Wednesday that the "aim of the sorties is to ensure a naval presence
>> in tactically important regions of the world's oceans".
>>
>> Mr Serdyukov said Russia's Black Sea fleet would monitor the
>> Mediterranean while its Northern Fleet would operate in the Atlantic.
>>
>> Military analysts say Russia's boosted military presence is largely
>> symbolic.
>>
>> Higher oil prices have enabled Russia to re-invest in its armed forces
>> but its military capabilities remain far below what they were during
>> the Soviet era, correspondents say.
>>
>> - - - - -
>>
>> "Protect shipping" - in the Med ??? I'm unaware of any
>> Russian ships that have fallen prey to pirates in, oh
>> say, the past CENTURY in those waters.
>>
>> Maybe they should patrol off Somalia instead.
>>
>> Seems that Russia is making a big show of its newfound
>> wealth and revived military capacity. Let's hope it
>> STAYS just a "show".
>>
>> Of course there may be a big showdown coming over the
>> independence of Kosovo. The US and much of UN want it,
>> Serbia and Russia say "No WAY !". The only direct
>> route to Bosnia is via the Adriatic Sea. The country is
>> almost completely landlocked except for one very tiny
>> (13 mile) stretch where it breaks up the Croatian
>> coastline.
>>
>> If the Russian navy blockaded that stretch against sea
>> and air traffic under the flag of protecting Serbian
>> territorial integrity, then any military force would
>> have to cross Croatian territory. Would Croatia give
>> permission ? I doubt it. How could we back-up a Bosnian
>> independence movement without access to Bosnia ? Go
>> through the Russians ? Bad idea. Very bad. Russian
>> proxies are one thing, Russians themselves are another.

>
>Russians remain russians.. aggressive, blatant, and expansionary.
>They always have been.


Much like Americans then ... but with a more
pessimistic outlook on things :)

Sometimes I think Russians are only truely happy
when they're suffering. Good times confuse them,
they're always expecting the hammer to drop.
 
On Dec 5, 10:30 am, b...@barrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:
> BBC
> Russia is planning naval exercises in the Mediterranean Sea and the
> Atlantic Ocean in what it says is a bid to boost its presence and
> protect shipping.
>
> Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said battleships,
> helicopters and aircraft would take part in a range of manoeuvres, due
> to end in February.
>
> This is the latest sign of a resurgence in Russia's military
> capabilities, the BBC's Nick Childs says.
>
> Russia recently resumed long-range patrols by its bomber aircraft.
>
> The practise was suspended after the collapse of the Soviet Union and
> was revived in August this year, as part of a more assertive foreign
> policy pursued by President Vladimir Putin.
>
> According to a Kremlin transcript, Mr Serdyukov told Mr Putin on
> Wednesday that the "aim of the sorties is to ensure a naval presence
> in tactically important regions of the world's oceans".
>
> Mr Serdyukov said Russia's Black Sea fleet would monitor the
> Mediterranean while its Northern Fleet would operate in the Atlantic.
>
> Military analysts say Russia's boosted military presence is largely
> symbolic.
>
> Higher oil prices have enabled Russia to re-invest in its armed forces
> but its military capabilities remain far below what they were during
> the Soviet era, correspondents say.
>
> - - - - -
>
> "Protect shipping" - in the Med ??? I'm unaware of any
> Russian ships that have fallen prey to pirates in, oh
> say, the past CENTURY in those waters.
>
> Maybe they should patrol off Somalia instead.
>
> Seems that Russia is making a big show of its newfound
> wealth and revived military capacity. Let's hope it
> STAYS just a "show".
>
> Of course there may be a big showdown coming over the
> independence of Kosovo. The US and much of UN want it,
> Serbia and Russia say "No WAY !". The only direct
> route to Bosnia is via the Adriatic Sea. The country is
> almost completely landlocked except for one very tiny
> (13 mile) stretch where it breaks up the Croatian
> coastline.
>
> If the Russian navy blockaded that stretch against sea
> and air traffic under the flag of protecting Serbian
> territorial integrity, then any military force would
> have to cross Croatian territory. Would Croatia give
> permission ? I doubt it. How could we back-up a Bosnian
> independence movement without access to Bosnia ? Go
> through the Russians ? Bad idea. Very bad. Russian
> proxies are one thing, Russians themselves are another.


Russians remain russians.. aggressive, blatant, and expansionary.
They always have been.
 
On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:55:54 -0500, Gogarty <Gogarty@Clongowes.edu.ie>
wrote:

>In article <4756e7ce.20294093@news.east.earthlink.net>, bw@barrk.net
>says...
>>
>>
>>BBC
>>Russia is planning naval exercises in the Mediterranean Sea and the
>>Atlantic Ocean in what it says is a bid to boost its presence and
>>protect shipping.
>>
>>Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said battleships,
>>helicopters and aircraft would take part in a range of manoeuvres, due
>>to end in February.
>>
>>This is the latest sign of a resurgence in Russia's military
>>capabilities, the BBC's Nick Childs says.
>>
>>Russia recently resumed long-range patrols by its bomber aircraft.
>>
>>The practise was suspended after the collapse of the Soviet Union and
>>was revived in August this year, as part of a more assertive foreign
>>policy pursued by President Vladimir Putin.
>>
>>According to a Kremlin transcript, Mr Serdyukov told Mr Putin on
>>Wednesday that the "aim of the sorties is to ensure a naval presence
>>in tactically important regions of the world's oceans".
>>
>>Mr Serdyukov said Russia's Black Sea fleet would monitor the
>>Mediterranean while its Northern Fleet would operate in the Atlantic.
>>
>>Military analysts say Russia's boosted military presence is largely
>>symbolic.
>>
>>Higher oil prices have enabled Russia to re-invest in its armed forces
>>but its military capabilities remain far below what they were during
>>the Soviet era, correspondents say.
>>
>>- - - - -
>>
>> "Protect shipping" - in the Med ??? I'm unaware of any
>> Russian ships that have fallen prey to pirates in, oh
>> say, the past CENTURY in those waters.
>>
>> Maybe they should patrol off Somalia instead.
>>
>> Seems that Russia is making a big show of its newfound
>> wealth and revived military capacity. Let's hope it
>> STAYS just a "show".
>>
>> Of course there may be a big showdown coming over the
>> independence of Kosovo. The US and much of UN want it,
>> Serbia and Russia say "No WAY !". The only direct
>> route to Bosnia is via the Adriatic Sea. The country is
>> almost completely landlocked except for one very tiny
>> (13 mile) stretch where it breaks up the Croatian
>> coastline.
>>
>> If the Russian navy blockaded that stretch against sea
>> and air traffic under the flag of protecting Serbian
>> territorial integrity, then any military force would
>> have to cross Croatian territory. Would Croatia give
>> permission ? I doubt it. How could we back-up a Bosnian
>> independence movement without access to Bosnia ? Go
>> through the Russians ? Bad idea. Very bad. Russian
>> proxies are one thing, Russians themselves are another.
>>

>What's all this talk about Bosnia? The area in question is Kosovo, which
>is completely landlocked. Indeed, when the Serbs retreated from Kosovo,
>the Russians rushed in and got there first to occupy and secure
>Pristina's airport. Only problem was, there was no water at the airport
>and the Russians then had to depend on NATO to sustain its own troops at
>the airport.


My apologies ... it had been awhile since I read the
story of the coming conflict. Kosovo it is.

Still, a wall of Russian missile ships in the Adriatic
could thwart any efforts to fly warplanes from Italy
to Kosovo as we did during the previous conflict.
Wouldn't be able to bring troops or supplies by ship
into Serbia either.

By all reports Putin plans to back Serbia if there's
trouble. It's all part of his push to re-elevate
Russias military status in the world. If he backs
down he looks weak.
 
On Dec 5, 12:30 pm, b...@barrk.net (B1ackwater) wrote:
> BBC
> Russia is planning naval exercises in the Mediterranean Sea and the
> Atlantic Ocean in what it says is a bid to boost its presence and
> protect shipping.
>
> Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said battleships,
> helicopters and aircraft would take part in a range of manoeuvres, due
> to end in February.
>
> This is the latest sign of a resurgence in Russia's military
> capabilities, the BBC's Nick Childs says.
>
> Russia recently resumed long-range patrols by its bomber aircraft.
>
> The practise was suspended after the collapse of the Soviet Union and
> was revived in August this year, as part of a more assertive foreign
> policy pursued by President Vladimir Putin.
>
> According to a Kremlin transcript, Mr Serdyukov told Mr Putin on
> Wednesday that the "aim of the sorties is to ensure a naval presence
> in tactically important regions of the world's oceans".
>
> Mr Serdyukov said Russia's Black Sea fleet would monitor the
> Mediterranean while its Northern Fleet would operate in the Atlantic.
>
> Military analysts say Russia's boosted military presence is largely
> symbolic.
>
> Higher oil prices have enabled Russia to re-invest in its armed forces
> but its military capabilities remain far below what they were during
> the Soviet era, correspondents say.
>
> - - - - -
>
> "Protect shipping" - in the Med ??? I'm unaware of any
> Russian ships that have fallen prey to pirates in, oh
> say, the past CENTURY in those waters.


Not a Russian ship, but I only searched around for a few minutes and
found this:

Pirate attack in the Strait of Messina, Italy
http://www.noonsite.com/Members/doina/R2005-07-06-2

Modern day piracy is an interesting subject.

>
> Maybe they should patrol off Somalia instead.
>
> Seems that Russia is making a big show of its newfound
> wealth and revived military capacity. Let's hope it
> STAYS just a "show".
>
> Of course there may be a big showdown coming over the
> independence of Kosovo. The US and much of UN want it,
> Serbia and Russia say "No WAY !". The only direct
> route to Bosnia is via the Adriatic Sea. The country is
> almost completely landlocked except for one very tiny
> (13 mile) stretch where it breaks up the Croatian
> coastline.
>
> If the Russian navy blockaded that stretch against sea
> and air traffic under the flag of protecting Serbian
> territorial integrity, then any military force would
> have to cross Croatian territory. Would Croatia give
> permission ? I doubt it. How could we back-up a Bosnian
> independence movement without access to Bosnia ? Go
> through the Russians ? Bad idea. Very bad. Russian
> proxies are one thing, Russians themselves are another.
 
In article <4756e7ce.20294093@news.east.earthlink.net>, bw@barrk.net
says...
>
>
>BBC
>Russia is planning naval exercises in the Mediterranean Sea and the
>Atlantic Ocean in what it says is a bid to boost its presence and
>protect shipping.
>
>Russian Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said battleships,
>helicopters and aircraft would take part in a range of manoeuvres, due
>to end in February.
>
>This is the latest sign of a resurgence in Russia's military
>capabilities, the BBC's Nick Childs says.
>
>Russia recently resumed long-range patrols by its bomber aircraft.
>
>The practise was suspended after the collapse of the Soviet Union and
>was revived in August this year, as part of a more assertive foreign
>policy pursued by President Vladimir Putin.
>
>According to a Kremlin transcript, Mr Serdyukov told Mr Putin on
>Wednesday that the "aim of the sorties is to ensure a naval presence
>in tactically important regions of the world's oceans".
>
>Mr Serdyukov said Russia's Black Sea fleet would monitor the
>Mediterranean while its Northern Fleet would operate in the Atlantic.
>
>Military analysts say Russia's boosted military presence is largely
>symbolic.
>
>Higher oil prices have enabled Russia to re-invest in its armed forces
>but its military capabilities remain far below what they were during
>the Soviet era, correspondents say.
>
>- - - - -
>
> "Protect shipping" - in the Med ??? I'm unaware of any
> Russian ships that have fallen prey to pirates in, oh
> say, the past CENTURY in those waters.
>
> Maybe they should patrol off Somalia instead.
>
> Seems that Russia is making a big show of its newfound
> wealth and revived military capacity. Let's hope it
> STAYS just a "show".
>
> Of course there may be a big showdown coming over the
> independence of Kosovo. The US and much of UN want it,
> Serbia and Russia say "No WAY !". The only direct
> route to Bosnia is via the Adriatic Sea. The country is
> almost completely landlocked except for one very tiny
> (13 mile) stretch where it breaks up the Croatian
> coastline.
>
> If the Russian navy blockaded that stretch against sea
> and air traffic under the flag of protecting Serbian
> territorial integrity, then any military force would
> have to cross Croatian territory. Would Croatia give
> permission ? I doubt it. How could we back-up a Bosnian
> independence movement without access to Bosnia ? Go
> through the Russians ? Bad idea. Very bad. Russian
> proxies are one thing, Russians themselves are another.
>

What's all this talk about Bosnia? The area in question is Kosovo, which
is completely landlocked. Indeed, when the Serbs retreated from Kosovo,
the Russians rushed in and got there first to occupy and secure
Pristina's airport. Only problem was, there was no water at the airport
and the Russians then had to depend on NATO to sustain its own troops at
the airport.
 
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