Guest Patriot Games Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/columns/article_1383922.php Friday, December 15, 2006 Fate of Santa Rosa Island elk, deer in question Big-game hunting on Santa Rosa Island will cease at the end of 2011. But what will happen to the 1,100 elk and mule deer? Both of California's U.S. senators, Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, want to exterminate the non-native animals. The Vail family, the previous owners of the island who introduced elk and mule deer there in the 1920s, want them to stay. Or at least be relocated. Sport hunting for meat is one thing, but to "slaughter" all the animals is quite another, family spokesman Jim Youngson said. The issue is not hunting vs. anti-hunting, which the media have portrayed it to be. "This is an animal rights issue in the eyes of the ranchers, my clients," Youngson said. "They have not called for hunting (to continue) at all." The battle to exterminate or save the animals will spill over into 2007 after Congress adjourned over the weekend before settling the issue. In October, President Bush signed the 2007 Defense Authorization Act, which included a provision that would save the island elk and mule deer. An amendment by Feinstein and Boxer to reimpose the animal extermination passed the Senate but never made it to a House vote. So a new bill is expected to be introduced in 2007. "Sen. Feinstein is going to work to see that this legislation is approved," her spokesman, Scott Gerber, told Scripps Howard News Service. "She believes the public should have access to Santa Rosa Island, and she is going to continue to fight to make sure that is the case." The public already has access to the island, yet the misperception is that it doesn't have access during the hunting season from August to December. And most believe that if the animals remain, so does the hunting. But that is not the case. Bush did not agree to extend hunting past 2011. Santa Rosa Island, the second-biggest island in the Channel Islands chain, is 40 miles from the mainland and covers 54,000 acres. It was owned by the Vail family through three generations. The family sold the island to the National Park Service in 1986 with the stipulation that hunting and cattle ranching continue. The National Parks and Conservation Association sued the Park Service because it felt the cattle were ruining native habitat and hunting was restricting public access. As part of the 1997 settlement, cattle were removed and the Park Service agreed to start removing the elk and deer in 2008 and have them off the island by the end of 2011, at which time the hunting concession lease ran out. Last year, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Alpine, began pushing legislation to keep hunting on the island for military personnel, but it was shot down. The National Rifle Association lauded Bush's decision to save the animals. It then blasted Feinstein and Boxer over their amendment. "In a blatant attempt to slaughter these animals - for absolutely no good purpose - Senators Boxer and Feinstein claim to 'correct a terrible mistake,'" NRA lobbyist Chris W. Cox said in a statement. "The only irreversible mistake in this situation is if these elitist politicians are allowed to kill healthy and robust animals for political purposes." Cox also argued that the Roosevelt elk and Kaibab mule deer are invaluable because they are free from Chronic Wasting Disease and could be used as a breeding stock to repopulate in case of disaster on the mainland. David Waldman of Garden Grove has been following the issue. He opposes extermination, calling it appalling. "Why can't they move them somewhere?" he said. "Seems like people are so willing to kill things as a way to take care of a problem. It just doesn't seem right." Youngson suggests allowing the elk and deer to remain on the island so the public can enjoy their beauty, just as buffalo remain on Catalina Island. The Vails plan to argue their case in Washington in 2007. "Our (next) move is to try to draw attention to this issue that we have a countdown to (losing) these animals," Youngson said. "We want to talk about other solutions. They (the Vail family) would prefer (the animals) stay on the island because that's their home, but they're willing to consider other options." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 On Feb 1, 4:36 pm, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote: > http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/columns/article_1383922.php > > Friday, December 15, 2006 > Fate of Santa Rosa Island elk, deer in question > > Big-game hunting on Santa Rosa Island will cease at the end of 2011. > > But what will happen to the 1,100 elk and mule deer? > > Both of California's U.S. senators, Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, want > to exterminate the non-native animals. > > The Vail family, the previous owners of the island who introduced elk and > mule deer there in the 1920s, want them to stay. Or at least be relocated. > > Sport hunting for meat is one thing, but to "slaughter" all the animals is > quite another, family spokesman Jim Youngson said. > > The issue is not hunting vs. anti-hunting, which the media have portrayed it > to be. > > "This is an animal rights issue in the eyes of the ranchers, my clients," > Youngson said. "They have not called for hunting (to continue) at all." > > The battle to exterminate or save the animals will spill over into 2007 > after Congress adjourned over the weekend before settling the issue. > > In October, President Bush signed the 2007 Defense Authorization Act, which > included a provision that would save the island elk and mule deer. > > An amendment by Feinstein and Boxer to reimpose the animal extermination > passed the Senate but never made it to a House vote. So a new bill is > expected to be introduced in 2007. > > "Sen. Feinstein is going to work to see that this legislation is approved," > her spokesman, Scott Gerber, told Scripps Howard News Service. "She believes > the public should have access to Santa Rosa Island, and she is going to > continue to fight to make sure that is the case." > > The public already has access to the island, yet the misperception is that > it doesn't have access during the hunting season from August to December. > And most believe that if the animals remain, so does the hunting. > > But that is not the case. Bush did not agree to extend hunting past 2011. > > Santa Rosa Island, the second-biggest island in the Channel Islands chain, > is 40 miles from the mainland and covers 54,000 acres. It was owned by the > Vail family through three generations. > > The family sold the island to the National Park Service in 1986 with the > stipulation that hunting and cattle ranching continue. > > The National Parks and Conservation Association sued the Park Service > because it felt the cattle were ruining native habitat and hunting was > restricting public access. > > As part of the 1997 settlement, cattle were removed and the Park Service > agreed to start removing the elk and deer in 2008 and have them off the > island by the end of 2011, at which time the hunting concession lease ran > out. > > Last year, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Alpine, began pushing legislation to keep > hunting on the island for military personnel, but it was shot down. > > The National Rifle Association lauded Bush's decision to save the animals. > It then blasted Feinstein and Boxer over their amendment. > > "In a blatant attempt to slaughter these animals - for absolutely no good > purpose - Senators Boxer and Feinstein claim to 'correct a terrible > mistake,'" NRA lobbyist Chris W. Cox said in a statement. "The only > irreversible mistake in this situation is if these elitist politicians are > allowed to kill healthy and robust animals for political purposes." > > Cox also argued that the Roosevelt elk and Kaibab mule deer are invaluable > because they are free from Chronic Wasting Disease and could be used as a > breeding stock to repopulate in case of disaster on the mainland. > > David Waldman of Garden Grove has been following the issue. He opposes > extermination, calling it appalling. > > "Why can't they move them somewhere?" he said. > > "Seems like people are so willing to kill things as a way to take care of a > problem. It just doesn't seem right." > > Youngson suggests allowing the elk and deer to remain on the island so the > public can enjoy their beauty, just as buffalo remain on Catalina Island. > The Vails plan to argue their case in Washington in 2007. > > "Our (next) move is to try to draw attention to this issue that we have a > countdown to (losing) these animals," Youngson said. "We want to talk about > other solutions. They (the Vail family) would prefer (the animals) stay on > the island because that's their home, but they're willing to consider other > options." What Feinstein and Boxer are proposing is perfectly good wildlife management. Remove the non-native species and allow the native species to return. As usual, "PansyAssGames" has not a clue -- just running off at the mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AnAmericanCitizen Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:36:20 GMT, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote: >"Sen. Feinstein is going to work to see that this legislation is approved," >her spokesman, Scott Gerber, told Scripps Howard News Service. "She believes >the public should have access to Santa Rosa Island, and she is going to >continue to fight to make sure that is the case." Let's see, Feinstein has been openly supportive of big business, of illegal aliens, of large power companies and now she wants to support the anti-animal people. This woman has no idea about how the American people feel and think does she?....AAC Feinstein's Threat: The blue card proposal probably will be in broader immigration bills to be introduced in the House and Senate in late winter. Feinstein and the other lawmakers said they have enough votes to pass the bill separately and would do so if the broader bill does not advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scotius Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:36:20 GMT, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote: >http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/columns/article_1383922.php > >Friday, December 15, 2006 >Fate of Santa Rosa Island elk, deer in question > >Big-game hunting on Santa Rosa Island will cease at the end of 2011. > >But what will happen to the 1,100 elk and mule deer? > >Both of California's U.S. senators, Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, want >to exterminate the non-native animals. > >The Vail family, the previous owners of the island who introduced elk and >mule deer there in the 1920s, want them to stay. Or at least be relocated. > >Sport hunting for meat is one thing, but to "slaughter" all the animals is >quite another, family spokesman Jim Youngson said. > >The issue is not hunting vs. anti-hunting, which the media have portrayed it >to be. > >"This is an animal rights issue in the eyes of the ranchers, my clients," >Youngson said. "They have not called for hunting (to continue) at all." > >The battle to exterminate or save the animals will spill over into 2007 >after Congress adjourned over the weekend before settling the issue. > >In October, President Bush signed the 2007 Defense Authorization Act, which >included a provision that would save the island elk and mule deer. > >An amendment by Feinstein and Boxer to reimpose the animal extermination >passed the Senate but never made it to a House vote. So a new bill is >expected to be introduced in 2007. > >"Sen. Feinstein is going to work to see that this legislation is approved," >her spokesman, Scott Gerber, told Scripps Howard News Service. "She believes >the public should have access to Santa Rosa Island, and she is going to >continue to fight to make sure that is the case." > >The public already has access to the island, yet the misperception is that >it doesn't have access during the hunting season from August to December. >And most believe that if the animals remain, so does the hunting. > >But that is not the case. Bush did not agree to extend hunting past 2011. > >Santa Rosa Island, the second-biggest island in the Channel Islands chain, >is 40 miles from the mainland and covers 54,000 acres. It was owned by the >Vail family through three generations. > >The family sold the island to the National Park Service in 1986 with the >stipulation that hunting and cattle ranching continue. > >The National Parks and Conservation Association sued the Park Service >because it felt the cattle were ruining native habitat and hunting was >restricting public access. > >As part of the 1997 settlement, cattle were removed and the Park Service >agreed to start removing the elk and deer in 2008 and have them off the >island by the end of 2011, at which time the hunting concession lease ran >out. > >Last year, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Alpine, began pushing legislation to keep >hunting on the island for military personnel, but it was shot down. > >The National Rifle Association lauded Bush's decision to save the animals. >It then blasted Feinstein and Boxer over their amendment. > >"In a blatant attempt to slaughter these animals - for absolutely no good >purpose - Senators Boxer and Feinstein claim to 'correct a terrible >mistake,'" NRA lobbyist Chris W. Cox said in a statement. "The only >irreversible mistake in this situation is if these elitist politicians are >allowed to kill healthy and robust animals for political purposes." > >Cox also argued that the Roosevelt elk and Kaibab mule deer are invaluable >because they are free from Chronic Wasting Disease and could be used as a >breeding stock to repopulate in case of disaster on the mainland. > >David Waldman of Garden Grove has been following the issue. He opposes >extermination, calling it appalling. > >"Why can't they move them somewhere?" he said. > >"Seems like people are so willing to kill things as a way to take care of a >problem. It just doesn't seem right." > >Youngson suggests allowing the elk and deer to remain on the island so the >public can enjoy their beauty, just as buffalo remain on Catalina Island. >The Vails plan to argue their case in Washington in 2007. > >"Our (next) move is to try to draw attention to this issue that we have a >countdown to (losing) these animals," Youngson said. "We want to talk about >other solutions. They (the Vail family) would prefer (the animals) stay on >the island because that's their home, but they're willing to consider other >options." > > They are rabidly anti-gun. They've both spent years arguing that hunting is the only "legitimate" reason to own a gun, and so now they think they will end hunting and then try gun bans. They're psychotics. What kind of idiot is afraid of citizens owning firearms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Patriot Games Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 "Lickin' Ass and Takin' Names" <PopUlist349@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1170365968.229097.240150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 1, 4:36 pm, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote: >> http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/columns/article_1383922.php >> Friday, December 15, 2006 >> Fate of Santa Rosa Island elk, deer in question > What Feinstein and Boxer are proposing is perfectly good wildlife > management. Remove the non-native species and allow the native > species to return. Explain why the NOW-native wildlife needs to be managed. > As usual, "PansyAssGames" has not a clue -- just running off at the > mouth. As usual, your two-faced Socialist Demmie masters have been outted for what they really are - murderers of the worst kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patriot Games Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:6u35s21udcrluhounkvk9e203ngqes6isp@4ax.com... > On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:36:20 GMT, "Patriot Games" > <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote: >>"Sen. Feinstein is going to work to see that this legislation is >>approved," >>her spokesman, Scott Gerber, told Scripps Howard News Service. "She >>believes >>the public should have access to Santa Rosa Island, and she is going to >>continue to fight to make sure that is the case." > Let's see, Feinstein has been openly supportive of big business, of > illegal aliens, > of large power companies and now she wants to support the anti-animal > people. > This woman has no idea about how the American people feel and think does > she?....AAC She's a menace to every living creature, human or not, in America. > Feinstein's Threat: > The blue card proposal probably will be in broader immigration bills to be > introduced > in the House and Senate in late winter. Feinstein and the other lawmakers > said they > have enough votes to pass the bill separately and would do so if the > broader bill > does not advance. Total amnesty - its coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patriot Games Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 "Scotius" <wolvzbro@mnsi.net> wrote in message news:pgq5s21ahsdibjf1p8j748na3ruqujbl5j@4ax.com... > On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:36:20 GMT, "Patriot Games" > <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote: >>http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/columns/article_1383922.php >>Friday, December 15, 2006 >>Fate of Santa Rosa Island elk, deer in question > They are rabidly anti-gun. They've both spent years arguing > that hunting is the only "legitimate" reason to own a gun, and so now > they think they will end hunting and then try gun bans. They're > psychotics. Maybe they figure that if they exterminate all the animals there won't be a reason for hunting to exist? No animals = no hunting. No hunting = no hunters. No hunters = no rifles. You're right, its completely psychotic. > What kind of idiot is afraid of citizens owning firearms? The kind of idiot that can't subjugate an armed citizenry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scotius Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:55:25 GMT, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote: >"Scotius" <wolvzbro@mnsi.net> wrote in message >news:pgq5s21ahsdibjf1p8j748na3ruqujbl5j@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:36:20 GMT, "Patriot Games" >> <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote: >>>http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/columns/article_1383922.php >>>Friday, December 15, 2006 >>>Fate of Santa Rosa Island elk, deer in question >> They are rabidly anti-gun. They've both spent years arguing >> that hunting is the only "legitimate" reason to own a gun, and so now >> they think they will end hunting and then try gun bans. They're >> psychotics. > >Maybe they figure that if they exterminate all the animals there won't be a >reason for hunting to exist? > >No animals = no hunting. >No hunting = no hunters. >No hunters = no rifles. > >You're right, its completely psychotic. > >> What kind of idiot is afraid of citizens owning firearms? > >The kind of idiot that can't subjugate an armed citizenry. Well, we pretty much agree on this. Some of the rad libs insist that we're crazy, but then we aren't the people who can't stand people believing they have rights, not "priveledges at government discretion". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patriot Games Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 "Scotius" <wolvzbro@mnsi.net> wrote in message news:mvb7s2hmc4stkuh44n0q33prd88629sdf3@4ax.com... > On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:55:25 GMT, "Patriot Games" > <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote: >>"Scotius" <wolvzbro@mnsi.net> wrote in message >>news:pgq5s21ahsdibjf1p8j748na3ruqujbl5j@4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:36:20 GMT, "Patriot Games" >>> <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/columns/article_1383922.php >>>>Friday, December 15, 2006 >>>>Fate of Santa Rosa Island elk, deer in question >>> They are rabidly anti-gun. They've both spent years arguing >>> that hunting is the only "legitimate" reason to own a gun, and so now >>> they think they will end hunting and then try gun bans. They're >>> psychotics. >>Maybe they figure that if they exterminate all the animals there won't be >>a >>reason for hunting to exist? >>No animals = no hunting. >>No hunting = no hunters. >>No hunters = no rifles. >>You're right, its completely psychotic. >>> What kind of idiot is afraid of citizens owning firearms? >>The kind of idiot that can't subjugate an armed citizenry. > Well, we pretty much agree on this. Some of the rad libs > insist that we're crazy, but then we aren't the people who can't stand > people believing they have rights, not "priveledges at government > discretion". The fact that I agree with a Canadian about ANYTHING is truly frightening!! There's hope for you folks yet! Hahahha!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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