Should Russia and China be punished for supporting terrorism.

TerroristHater

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Should Russia and China be punished for supporting terrorism by threatining to veto any UN sanctions taken against Iran, for the purpose of forcing them to cease all nuclear technology development!!!

**** yes!!!

 

Outlaw2747

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Hey bro, I haven't been reading too much of the news so I have to ask is there any proof that you know of that they are supporting terrorsim?
 

TerroristHater

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Hey bro, I haven't been reading too much of the news so I have to ask is there any proof that you know of that they are supporting terrorsim?
More or less, Russia and China have vowed to veto any UN sanctions against Iran.

As such, I say thay are supporting terrorism and the arming of terroists!

-TH

 

Outlaw2747

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More or less, Russia and China have vowed to veto any UN sanctions against Iran.
As such, I say thay are supporting terrorism and the arming of terroists!

-TH
Hmmm, I'll go look it up then make my decision.

 

Outlaw2747

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Kinda hard...they could very well change their minds. And as far as punishment, this could complicate things depending on the punishment. Kinda hard to make up my matter on the subject but I definitely think these guys should oppose Iran having WMDs. I probably won't make a vote for quite a bit until I gather more intel. But thanks for bringing up the matter dude.
 

TerroristHater

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Kinda hard...they could very well change their minds. And as far as punishment, this could complicate things depending on the punishment. Kinda hard to make up my matter on the subject but I definitely think these guys should oppose Iran having WMDs. I probably won't make a vote for quite a bit until I gather more intel. But thanks for bringing up the matter dude.
Anytime man :)

Take all the time you need.

:)

 

ALLAH IS GREAT

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More or less, Russia and China have vowed to veto any UN sanctions against Iran.
As such, I say thay are supporting terrorism and the arming of terroists!

-TH
Oh boy,here we go again.So what punishment have you in mind?

Plus where is the proof?

 

builder

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Oh boy,here we go again.So what punishment have you in mind?
Plus where is the proof?
Classic.

Found this on Usenet. I'm not saying I agree with everything.

It's an interesting essay.

http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2006/index.htm

#9 Irans New Oil Trade System Challenges U.S. Currency

Title: Iran Next U.S. Target

Author: William Clark

The U.S. media tells us that Iran may be the next target of U.S.

aggression. The anticipated excuse is Irans alleged nuclear weapons

program. William Clark tells us that economic reasons may have more

to do with U.S. concerns over Iran than any weapons of mass

destruction.

In mid-2003 Iran broke from traditional and began accepting eurodollars

as payment for it oil exports from its E.U. and Asian customers.

Saddam Hussein attempted a similar bold step back in 2000 and was

met with a devastating reaction from the U.S. Iraq now has no choice

about using U.S. dollars for oil sales (Censored 2004 #19). However,

Irans plan to open an international oil exchange marker for trading

oil in the euro currency is a much larger threat to U.S. dollar

supremacy than Iraqs switch to euros.

While the dollar is still the standard currency for trading

international oil sales, in 2006 Iran intends to set up an oil

exchange (or bourse) that would facilitate global trading of oil

between industrialized and developing countries by pricing sales

in the euro, or petroeuro. To this end, they are creating a

euro-denominated Internet-based oil exchange system for global oil

sales. This is a direct challenge to U.S. dollar supremacy in the

global oil market. It is widely speculated that the U.S. dollar has

been inflated for some time now because the monopoly position of

petrodollars in oil trades. With the level of national debt, the

value of dollar has been held artificially high compared to other

currencies.

The vast majority of the worlds oil is traded on the New York NYMEX

(Mercantile Exchange) and the London IPE (International Petroleum

Exchange), and, as mentioned by Clark, both exchanges are owned by

U.S. corporations. Both of these oil exchanges transact oil trades

in U.S. currency. Irans plan to create a new oil exchange would

facilitate trading oil on the world market in euros. The euro has

become a somewhat stronger and more stable trading medium than the

U.S. dollar in recent years. Perhaps this is why Russia, Venezuela,

and some members of OPEC have expressed interest in moving towards

a petroeuro system for oil transactions. Without a doubt, a successful

Iranian oil bourse may create momentum for other industrialized

countries to stop exchanging their own currencies for petrodollars

in order to buy oil. A shift away from U.S. dollars to euros in the

oil market would cause the demand for petrodollars to drop, perhaps

causing the value of the dollar to plummet. A precipitous drop in

the value of the U.S. dollar would undermine the U.S. position as

a world economic leader.

China is a major exporter to the United States, and its trade surplus

with the U.S. means that China has become the worlds second largest

holder of U.S. currency reserves (Japan is the largest holder with

$800 billion, and China holds over $600 billion in T-bills). China

would lose enormously if they were still holding vast amounts of

U.S. currency when the dollar collapsed and assumed a more realistic

value. Maintaining the U.S. as a market for their goods is a

pre-eminent goal of Chinese financial policy, but they are increasingly

dependent on Iran for their vital oil and gas imports. The Chinese

government is careful to maintain the value of the yuan linked with

the U.S. dollar (8.28 yuan to 1 dollar). This artificial linking

makes them, effectively, one currency. But the Chinese government

has indicated interest in de-linking the dollar-yuan arrangement,

which could result in an immediate fall in the dollar. More worrisome

is the potentiality of China to abandon its ongoing prolific purchase

of U.S. Treasuries/debtshould they become displeased with U.S.

policies towards Iran.

Unstable situations cannot be expected to remain static. It is

reasonable to expect that the Chinese are hedging their bets. It

is unreasonable to expect that they plan to be left holding devalued

dollars after a sudden decline in their value. It is possible that

the artificial situation could continue for some time, but this

will be due largely because the Chinese want it that way. Regardless,

China seems to be in the process of unloading some of its U.S.

dollar reserves in the world market to purchase oil reserves, and

most recently attempted to buy Unocal, a California-based oil

company.

The irony is that apparent U.S. plans to invade Iran put pressure

on the Chinese to abandon their support of the dollar. Clark warns

that a unilateral U.S. military strike on Iran would further isolate

the U.S. government, and it is conceivable that such an overt action

could provoke other industrialized nations to abandon the dollar

en masse. Perhaps the U.S. planners think that they can corner the

market in oil militarily. But from Clarks point of view, a U.S.

intervention in Iran is likely to prove disastrous for the United

States, making matters much worse regarding international terrorism,

not to mention potential adverse effects on the U.S. economy. The

more likely outcome of an Iran invasion would be that, just as in

Iraq, Iranian oil exports would dry up, regardless of what currency

they are denominated in, and China would be compelled to abandon

the dollar and buy oil from Russialikely in euros. The conclusion

is that U.S. leaders seem to have no idea what they are doing. Clark

points out that, World oil production is now flat out, and a major

interruption would escalate oil prices to a level that would set

off a global depression.

Update by William Clark: Following the completion of my essay in

October 2004, three important stories appeared that dramatically

raised the geopolitical stakes for the Bush Administration. First,

on October 28, 2004, Iran and China signed a huge oil and gas trade

agreement (valued between $70 and $100 billion dollars.)1 It should

also be noted that China currently receives 13 percent of its oil

imports from Iran. The Chinese government effectively drew a line

in the sand around Iran when it signed this huge oil and gas deal.

Despite desires by U.S. elites to enforce petrodollar hegemony by

force, the geopolitical risks of a U.S. attack on Irans nuclear

facilities would surely create a serious crisis between Washington

and Beijing.

An article that addressed some of the strategic risks appeared in

the December 2004 edition of the Atlantic Monthly.2 This story by

James Fallows outlined the military war games against Iran that

were conducted during the summer and autumn of 2004. These war-gaming

sessions were led by Colonel Sam Gardiner, a retired Air Force

colonel who for more than two decades ran war games at the National

War College and other military institutions. Each scenario led to

a dangerous escalation in both Iran and Iraq. Indeed, Col. Gardiner

summarized the war games with the following conclusion, After all

this effort, I am left with two simple sentences for policymakers:

You have no military solution for the issues of Iran. And you have

to make diplomacy work.3

The third and final news item that revealed the Bush Administrations

intent to attack Iran was provided by investigative reporter Seymour

Hersh. The January 2005 issue of The New Yorker (The Coming Wars)

included interviews with high-level U.S. intelligence sources who

repeatedly told Hersh that Iran was indeed the next strategic

target.4 However, as a permanent member of the UN Security Council,

China will likely veto any U.S. resolution calling for military

action against Iran. A unilateral military strike on Iran would

isolate the U.S. government in the eyes of the world community, and

it is conceivable that such an overt action could provoke other

industrialized nations to abandon the dollar in droves. I refer to

this in my book as the rogue nation hypothesis.

While central bankers throughout the world community would be

extremely reluctant to dump the dollar, the reasons for any such

drastic reaction are likely straightforward from their perspectivethe

global community is dependent on the oil and gas energy supplies

found in the Persian Gulf. Numerous oil geologists are warning that

global oil production is now running flat out. Hence, any such

efforts by the international community that resulted in a dollar

currency crisis would be undertakennot to cripple the U.S. dollar

and economy as punishment towards the American people per sebut

rather to thwart further unilateral warfare and its potentially

destructive effects on the critical oil production and shipping

infrastructure in the Persian Gulf. Barring a U.S. attack, it appears

imminent that Irans euro-denominated oil bourse will open in March,

2006.5 Logically, the most appropriate U.S. strategy is compromise

with the E.U. and OPEC towards a dual-currency system for international

oil trades.
 

Cogito Ergo Sum

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Terrorist? Yep. That's going to be the new rationalization for bullying the world.

What gives the more powerful nations of the world, the right to deny the benefits of nuclear energy to other nations?

"Do as I say, not as I do." seems to be our motto around the US lately.

Sad.

 

TerroristHater

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Terrorist? Yep. That's going to be the new rationalization for bullying the world.
What gives the more powerful nations of the world, the right to deny the benefits of nuclear energy to other nations?

"Do as I say, not as I do." seems to be our motto around the US lately.

Sad.
Iran cannot have nuclear technology because Iran is run by terrorists. China and Russia's stedfast support of Iran is a clear sign of their open support for terrorists and terrorist activities.

As such, I think Russa and China needs to be sanctioned by the UN and embargoed into poverty. When they agree to stop supporting terrorists the sanctions can then be lifted.

-TH

 

TerroristHater

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Once again, Cogito Ergo Sum abuses his moderator status and unecessarily adds an insulting retort to a poll that was otherwise totally benign.

As a contributing member, I am entitled to create a poll without fear of illegal modification by a moderator who disagrees with my point of view. This is a dispicable abuse of moderator status and should be severly punished.

Shame on you, CES.

-TH

 

builder

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China is not impoverished. The PRC currently holds 600 billion dollars in US bonds. Japan holds 800 billion of the same.

China supports terrorism? How so? China wishes to trade with Iran to purchase oil and gas in eurodollars, simply because the euro is currently more stable. When you sign a contract that last for a decade or more, you wisely choose the most stable currency to support that deal.

The US dollar is heading for a crash of epic proportions, and the Russians, Chinese, and Japanese, are fully aware of the risks of continued use of the US dollar for major transactions.

Tell me again how they support terrorism?

 

Cogito Ergo Sum

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Once again, Cogito Ergo Sum abuses his moderator status and unecessarily adds an insulting retort to a poll that was otherwise totally benign.
As a contributing member, I am entitled to create a poll without fear of illegal modification by a moderator who disagrees with my point of view. This is a dispicable abuse of moderator status and should be severly punished.

Shame on you, CES.

-TH
1. I edited the poll, not PW, so you should remove your foot from your mouth and apologize to PW; curse me if you like.

2. You are entitled to create a poll. You did. FYI - Where is the law that makes it illegal for a Mod to modify a poll? The Mods make the rules and manage the board as they see fit. We answer to ourselves and often work in concert with each other, and sometimes disagree with each other. You will note that I left your original options intact, but simply added my own answer because it was not available yet desperately needed. Not surprisingly, it would seem that a majority of others agree with me. :eek: You are not the first to have a poll go wrong on himself. I have too. Tough.

3. TH, you can be really smart when you work on it, but your blatant oversimplification of this issue, is the work of a mindless dolt. Sorry. Switch on your grey matter and really examine the options you propose because hey are not only impractical, but would result in great damage to the United States as a whole.

 

ALLAH IS GREAT

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Tell me again how they support terrorism?
Yes,pray tell TH.Where's your proof? I believe that you are perturbed cos other countries wanna develop.That's the problem with America,it's all about ''Us,us,us''.Russia and china haven't commited any crime and neither has Iran.It's all about America wanting to keep their title as ''the super power''.No one else can be rich,no one else can have power.As soon as a country shows some signs of getting rich,BAM!!! There's always a reason to invade reserved.

As such, I think Russa and China needs to be sanctioned by the UN and embargoed into poverty. When they agree to stop supporting terrorists the sanctions can then be lifted.

Hmmmmm and I wonder who their lost wealth will benefit. :rolleyes:

Buildy,that was a great read.Phreak thanks for that last option.The poll was so one sided before.

 

TerroristHater

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1. I edited the poll, not PW, so you should remove your foot from your mouth and apologize to PW; curse me if you like.
2. You are entitled to create a poll. You did. FYI - Where is the law that makes it illegal for a Mod to modify a poll? The Mods make the rules and manage the board as they see fit. We answer to ourselves and often work in concert with each other, and sometimes disagree with each other. You will note that I left your original options intact, but simply added my own answer because it was not available yet desperately needed. Not surprisingly, it would seem that a majority of others agree with me. :eek: You are not the first to have a poll go wrong on himself. I have too. Tough.

3. TH, you can be really smart when you work on it, but your blatant oversimplification of this issue, is the work of a mindless dolt. Sorry. Switch on your grey matter and really examine the options you propose because hey are not only impractical, but would result in great damage to the United States as a whole.
I am a contributing member, which means you cannot modify my polls. The mere fact that I am a paid member of this site protects me from unsrupulous mods.

Secondly, the mods DO NOT make the rules. Bob Schwarts makes the rules. As such, you owe ME an apology for overstepping your bounds. In addition to that, I must protest the abusive ban you set on cool_guy. What he did was not so serious that he needed to be banned for 24 hours.

I except better from you, CES, you were a marine once. You used to defend freedom...now you arbirtrarily take it away. I hate to say this, because I am aware of the code every marine lives and dies by (Unit, Core, ***, Country) but it rings true. You have forsaken your fellow countryman. You ****** on the freedom of speech and you acted like a dictator. I expect better from a hardened ex-marine.

Shame on you, CES!

-TH

 

TerroristHater

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Yes,pray tell TH.Where's your proof? I believe that you are perturbed cos other countries wanna develop.That's the problem with America,it's all about ''Us,us,us''.Russia and china haven't commited any crime and neither has Iran.It's all about America wanting to keep their title as ''the super power''.No one else can be rich,no one else can have power.As soon as a country shows some signs of getting rich,BAM!!! There's always a reason to invade reserved.
As such, I think Russa and China needs to be sanctioned by the UN and embargoed into poverty. When they agree to stop supporting terrorists the sanctions can then be lifted.

Hmmmmm and I wonder who their lost wealth will benefit. :rolleyes:

Buildy,that was a great read.Phreak thanks for that last option.The poll was so one sided before.
AIG, pick-up a newspaper and read it. The Russians and the Chinese have sword to veto any UN SANCTIONS against Iran. This nothing short of supporting terrorism.

Again, you seem to forget that the government of Iran (Mullahs and the Ayetollah) are PRO TERRORIST. As such, they CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH NON-COVENTIONAL WEAPONS OF ANY KIND.

When Iran is no longer a corrupt, backwards, theocracy things may change, but until the islamic religon is no longer setting government policy; THE IRANIANS CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH NON-CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS.

You don't like it? You seem to be pro-terrorist, which makes you VERY WILLING to turn a blind eye to Iran's open support of extremist Islam and the terrorist scumlords who practice it.

This is UNACCAPTABLE!!!!

It has NOTHING to do with America's status as a "super power." I'm sure that's the lie the arab world is spewing because they are mad that the world refuses to allow terrorists to have nuclear technology.

Since Russia and China support providing a KNOWN TERRORIST COUNTRY with the means to build nuclear arms; they are in their own special retarded little way SUPPORTING TERRORISM.

AGAIN, those who support terrorists ARE TERRORISTS!!!

You need to stop believing the bullshit islamic lies you're being fed by groups like Al Jezeera (THE STATE OWNED LIE SPREADING DEVICE USED TO PREACH EXTREMIST BULLSHIT) and other such sources. I realize that our news agencies are not perfect, but at least our main news sources ARE NOT OWNED BY PRO-EXTREMEIST ISLAMIC **** ***** who hate the western world and brand innocent civilians "Infidels".

Iran is lying though their teeth. They don't want peaceful nuclear power; they want nuclear weapons so that they can make it a great deal more difficult for the world to stop them when they attempt to invade Iraq, which is EXACTLY what will happen the second coalition forces pull out of Iraq.

This is a given.

Remember these words, AIG: Those who support terrorists ARE TERRORISTS!!!

Also, you want to ask me for proof, so now I will do the same: WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT THE EXTREMIST **** SCUMBAGS THAT RUN IRAN REALLY WANT PEACEFUL NUCLEAR ENERGY and not nuclear arms?

HERE IS MY PROOF: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050922/ap_on_re_eu/nuclear_agency_iran

WHERE IS YOURS?

-TH

 

TerroristHater

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1. I edited the poll, not PW, so you should remove your foot from your mouth and apologize to PW; curse me if you like.
2. You are entitled to create a poll. You did. FYI - Where is the law that makes it illegal for a Mod to modify a poll? The Mods make the rules and manage the board as they see fit. We answer to ourselves and often work in concert with each other, and sometimes disagree with each other. You will note that I left your original options intact, but simply added my own answer because it was not available yet desperately needed. Not surprisingly, it would seem that a majority of others agree with me. :eek: You are not the first to have a poll go wrong on himself. I have too. Tough.

3. TH, you can be really smart when you work on it, but your blatant oversimplification of this issue, is the work of a mindless dolt. Sorry. Switch on your grey matter and really examine the options you propose because hey are not only impractical, but would result in great damage to the United States as a whole.
CES,

How do you propose the free world punish Russia and China for what amounts to criminal levels of total stupidity?

These two useless nations are protecting the devil.

-TH

 
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