Guest Bill M Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual existence of millions of atheists. If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the atheists and send them to his Hell. If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rbwinn Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual > existence of millions of atheists. > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the > atheists and send them to his Hell. > > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of atheists? Robert B. Winn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 On Apr 3, 4:28 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of > atheists? Oh ho. Sins of atheists you say? So you are a religious crank as well as an antirelativity crank. Why am I unsurprised to learn this? > Robert B. Winn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lucifer Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 On Apr 3, 9:28 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual > > existence of millions of atheists. > > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the > > atheists and send them to his Hell. > > > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate > > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its > > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the > > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. > > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of > atheists? Prove it, fuckwit. -- Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General Purpose Igor The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck of Doom Convicted by Earthquack "Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jim07D7 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> said: >The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual >existence of millions of atheists. > >If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the >atheists and send them to his Hell. > >If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate >his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its >existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the >atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. > There is an "argument from disbelief" as follows, that dispenses with certain gods, including notably the God of many believers. This is not to be confused with much weaker arguments from disbelief. quote: [i have added two statements to make it more complete, and one trivial typo correction.] Argument from disbelief: Givens: God is all powerful God is all knowing God is all loving Disbelief exists Hell exists [Add: Disbelievers who die as such go to Hell.] God, being all loving, wants us to believe in him so that we won't end up in hell. God, being all knowing, knows exactly what amount of evidence every person needs to believe. God, being all powerful, has the ability to produce the said evidence. I'm a living testament to the existence of disbelief, so god is either: A)Not all loving B)Not all powerful C)Not all knowing Or hell doesn't exist. [Add: Or disbelief carries no penalty.] unquote http://www.skepticatheist.com/articles/whyatheism.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ronald 'More-More' Moshki Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 On Apr 3, 4:28 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual > > existence of millions of atheists. > > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the > > atheists and send them to his Hell. > > > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate > > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its > > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the > > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. > > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of > atheists? > Robert B. Winn ------------------------------------------------ What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of > atheists? > Robert B. Winn ---------------------- Christan Knut: "We have a living God." Objctive person: "You just said 'He died for our sins'. You can't have it both ways." Former Christian: "You got a good point there." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pbamvv@worldonline.nl Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 On 3 apr, 22:28, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual > > existence of millions of atheists. > > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the > > atheists and send them to his Hell. > > > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate > > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its > > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the > > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. > > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of > atheists? > Robert B. Winn He should be arrested for child-murder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bill M Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1175632098.792754.327060@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the >> actual >> existence of millions of atheists. >> >> If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the >> atheists and send them to his Hell. >> >> If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate >> his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of >> its >> existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the >> atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. > > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of > atheists? > Robert B. Winn What does this Bible story have to do with the question? Why wouldn't a loving god demonstrate his existence and eliminate atheism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Martin Phipps Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 On Apr 4, 4:28 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual > > existence of millions of atheists. > > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the > > atheists and send them to his Hell. > > > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate > > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its > > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the > > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. > > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of > atheists? Were the Jews atheists? Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flightlessvacuum Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 On Apr 4, 8:28 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of > atheists? It's a sin to think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Brze Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 On 3 Apr 2007 13:28:18 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: >On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual >> existence of millions of atheists. >> >> If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the >> atheists and send them to his Hell. >> >> If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate >> his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its >> existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the >> atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. > >What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of >atheists? >Robert B. Winn God did not send Jesus to die. God sent Jesus to overcome death which he did. There is a fundamental difference here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeckyl Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 "Eric Brze" <brze@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message news:dn461398fgidqldqgut6hn2ja14spr1rcp@4ax.com... > On 3 Apr 2007 13:28:18 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: >>What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of >>atheists? > > God did not send Jesus to die. God sent Jesus to overcome death which > he did. There is a fundamental difference here. So are you claiming Jesus did NOT die? Are you claiming it was not God's will that Jesus died .. Jesus seemed to think it was? If Jesus is God, why would he need to overcome death .. he is immortal ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Uncle Vic Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 One fine day in alt.atheism, Eric Brze <brze@no.spam.mail.com> bloodied us up with this: > On 3 Apr 2007 13:28:18 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: > >>On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>> The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the >>> actual existence of millions of atheists. >>> >>> If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill >>> the atheists and send them to his Hell. >>> >>> If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly >>> communicate his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to >>> convince them of its existence. No loving and caring god would keep >>> himself hidden causing the atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. >> >>What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of >>atheists? >>Robert B. Winn > > God did not send Jesus to die. God sent Jesus to overcome death which > he did. There is a fundamental difference here. > Yes. Professor Dumbledore did not send Harry Potter's parents to die for him, it just happened. But they left him a safe full of money in anticipation of his schooling at Hogwarts. Prove to me the Jesus story has any more credibility than this. -- Uncle Vic aa Atheist #2011 Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department. Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester. Member Duke Spanking Club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cdumo Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:q6yQh.29385$nV1.4452@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the > actual existence of millions of atheists. Many are called few are choosen > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the > atheists and send them to his Hell. He will. > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. He did, it's called the Scriptures, atheists cause themselves to go to hell, don't blame God, go ahead study, you can't say you didn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of > atheists? > Robert B. Winn would that be the same "loving, caring" christian god that sat on his FAT, LAZY ASS and laughed his sick, sadistic ass off while the events of 9/11/2001 was happening? The christian god is a sick fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 > God did not send Jesus to die. God sent Jesus to overcome death which > he did. There is a fundamental difference here. so, are you saying that the christian god is completely fucking useless and couldn't have just waved his magic wand and overcome death without someone dying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Budikka666 Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 On Apr 3, 1:59 pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual > existence of millions of atheists. > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the > atheists and send them to his Hell. > > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. What you don't understand is that the real god loves atheists and wants them to go to Hell. That's where the fun is. Eternity in Heaven is the real hell! All the believers will be miserable up there and we'll be free of them, and partying hearty! LoL! Budikka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Father Haskell Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 On Apr 3, 10:54 pm, Eric Brze <b...@no.spam.mail.com> wrote: > On 3 Apr 2007 13:28:18 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual > >> existence of millions of atheists. > > >> If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the > >> atheists and send them to his Hell. > > >> If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate > >> his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its > >> existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the > >> atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. > > >What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of > >atheists? > >Robert B. Winn > > God did not send Jesus to die. God sent Jesus to overcome death which > he did. There is a fundamental difference here. The Chinese Fenghuang (Phoenix) myth goes back 7,000 years. Even that version isn't likely the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael Ejercito Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 On Apr 4, 3:29 pm, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com> wrote: > > God did not send Jesus to die. God sent Jesus to overcome death which > > he did. There is a fundamental difference here. > > so, are you saying that the christian god is completely fucking useless and > couldn't have just waved his magic wand and overcome death without someone > dying? How would you rise from the dead without dying first? Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael Ejercito Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual > existence of millions of atheists. > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the > atheists and send them to his Hell. All in due time, my friend. It is not as if time is something that God is short of. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Budikka666 Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 On Apr 5, 4:05 pm, "Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual > > existence of millions of atheists. > > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the > > atheists and send them to his Hell. > > All in due time, my friend. > > It is not as if time is something that God is short of. > > Michael Which god would that be and what evidence do you have that it even exists? Budikka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JessHC Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 rbwinn wrote: > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual > > existence of millions of atheists. > > > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the > > atheists and send them to his Hell. > > > > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate > > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its > > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the > > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. > > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of atheists? In what way is justice served by punishing an innocent? Why can't an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god grant forgiveness without all the rigamarole? Atheists don't require innocents to die for someone else's crime; why are they more reasonable and just than an all powerful, all loving god? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JessHC Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Bill M wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message > news:1175632098.792754.327060@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >> The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the > >> actual > >> existence of millions of atheists. > >> > >> If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the > >> atheists and send them to his Hell. > >> > >> If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate > >> his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of > >> its > >> existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the > >> atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. > > > > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of > > atheists? > > Robert B. Winn > > What does this Bible story have to do with the question? Why wouldn't a > loving god demonstrate his existence and eliminate atheism? Because "god" isn't bound by logic, justice, or reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JessHC Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Cdumo wrote: > "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:q6yQh.29385$nV1.4452@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the > > actual existence of millions of atheists. > > Many are called few are choosen > > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the > > atheists and send them to his Hell. > > He will. > > > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate > > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its > > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the > > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell. > > He did, it's called the Scriptures, atheists cause themselves to go to > hell, don't blame God, go ahead study, you can't say you didn't know. How did you determine your holy writings were the correct ones, and all the others were wrong? Let me guess; because the bible says so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest duke Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:59:00 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote: >If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the >atheists and send them to his Hell. And we know that everyone in hell is a volunteer. duke, American-American "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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