Speaking Spanish treated as a Handicap in my College

I was in Math class this morning and we have a woman who can barely speak English. The same woman in fact who got the slam the other day from my English professor. She failed a writing assignment and I overheard him telling her that there was an assumption that she would be able to speak English at this point in her school experience.

However in Math class it seems that being a Spanish speaker means your handicapped and given extra time to complete the test. What the fuck is that about. Don't they write numbers the same way in Mexico or where the fuck ever she is from??

I mean I understand giving people with dyslexia extra time or if someone can't write they can give them someone to write for them. These are real handicapps. Declining to learn our language is a choice made by Spanish speakers and I am sick and tired of them being catered to.

I was so pissed today in class !!!

If she just came to this country, I can understand the need to get used to things. BUT if she has lived here for years, she shouldn't be given extra time for anything.

She has not just come to this country and even if she has, if she can't speak English then how the hell is she supposed to get a college degree in an English speaking country??

Thats just fuckin insane !!!

Maybe I should go to Spain and make them bend over backwards to give me a degree even though I don't speak the language.

I think you're all idiots. You get angry at her for not speaking english here in America. Then you go to their country and speak none of their language, then stand there, shouting steadily louder "DO...YOU...SPEAK...ENG...LISH!?"

Listen Daisy, I don't go to their country...Thanks but no thanks, Mexico is a sess pool and if you check with the American Consulate they will tell you their is a travel advisory out for Americans in Mexico.

People should learn the fuckin language or get the fuck out, I'm sick and tired of bending over backwards to the point that we are loosing our own heritage.

Listen Daisy, I don't go to their country...Thanks but no thanks, Mexico is a sess pool and if you check with the American Consulate they will tell you their is a travel advisory out for Americans in Mexico.

People should learn the fuckin language or get the fuck out, I'm sick and tired of bending over backwards to the point that we are loosing our own heritage.

Losing our own heritage? Now there is about the stupidest thing I've heard today. American HERITAGE is a bunch of people from countries all over the world migrating here, and blending cultures.

That's not to say that they shouldn't make an attempt at learning English. If you want to live in this country and get an education, you will have to learn English. Kids are different. They don't have much choice in where they live, and they get to take ESL classes so they can learn the language and eventually get their education with the rest of their classmates.

I disagree with you in that the idea that you losing your heritage is baseless and utter bullshit, but I do agree that she shouldn't recieve etra time on a test because its not in her native language. Now granted its better to have somebody, english speaking or not, educated then it is to have them uneducated but the simple fact is that when it comes to higher education then you have to have met certain prerequsits in order to get in. This was reflected in your english class. Another example would be that people taking unversity french at my school must first pass an entry test (Or placement test) There are certain schools to accomidate for those who don't have the required backround (EG they never learned french and now want to in university) And I'm sure it is the same in the US as well. If your school is ment for those who speak english then those who speak spanish should be attending another school until they can understand and articulated themselves in english at a university level. I don't know about you guys but a proper level of english is a entry requirment for pretty much all universities around here (EG a high enough grade in high school english). English 1200 (or 101 or whatever it may be called at your respective houses of learning) is also a compulsery course for any bachalors degree.

Do you guys remember the Mayflower and what country it came from, England. The declaration if independence was written in English. The official language of our country is English, it has been for over 200 years, if that doesn't qualify as my heritage then I don't know what does.

If you think that Spanish speakers are not infringing upon it, you need to get out more.

Do you guys remember the Mayflower and what country it came from, England. The declaration if independence was written in English. The official language of our country is English, it has been for over 200 years, if that doesn't qualify as my heritage then I don't know what does.

If you think that Spanish speakers are not infringing upon it, you need to get out more.

En ingles por favor? No hablo mucho en espanol. (and I dunno how to put accent marks on my words...lol)

I simply stated that the people who have credit for discovering America, did NOT speak English. And that this Hispanic girl will get paid more then she will a few years from now because she has the benefit of knowing Spanish. Bi-Lingual jobs are in VERY high demand for a reason... and it ain't because of cheap Mexican labor.

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She may get paid more but she should have to be able to speak English and she does not at this point, at least not well enough to get a degree the way the rest of us have to.

 

In my experience a work bilingual work place, the English speaking people often had to carry those that had Spanish as a first language. They were allowed to get away with lower performance because the company had no choice, they had to have Spanish speakers.

 

I used to audit for the company I worked for, I pushed through making it known that some could not type out an understable English sentence. We were typing in peoples medical records, things that could end up in court and because the bilingual people could barely speak English, nevermind type it, there entries were unreadable. Thats just not acceptable.

 

As for who discovered America, (America was discovered long before the Mayflower came over, by Cristobal, not Christopher or Amerigo whichever you subscribe to) I was speaking of the people who came over to settle here after being rejected by England. I find it odd that if the framers of our constitution did not have English as their preferred language then why did they use it? I did get a degree in English history and literature at the University of Texas at Arlington, I am aware of these things.

You can't possibly deny that English is our official language and our ties to that heritage.

She may get paid more but she should have to be able to speak English and she does not at this point, at least not well enough to get a degree the way the rest of us have to.

Why?? because it's an American degree ?? What about degrees from universities in other countries ?? Why is getting one in America different ?

 

In my experience a work bilingual work place, the English speaking people often had to carry those that had Spanish as a first language. They were allowed to get away with lower performance because the company had no choice, they had to have Spanish speakers.

Then make the needed bi-lingual take a phucking business economics class, what the hell does poor English skills have to do with having to carry them ?? How would they know their job is insufficiently being performed if they were given the basic task of translating as a primary function and paper work as secondary ?? Which is usually the case.

 

 

I used to audit for the company I worked for, I pushed through making it known that some could not type out an understable English sentence. We were typing in peoples medical records, things that could end up in court and because the bilingual people could barely speak English, nevermind type it, there entries were unreadable. Thats just not acceptable.

Then perhaps the fields on the records should reflect a hispanic version as well. Could YOU make it out if it were in Spanish and you took a couple spanish classes in high school ??

 

As for who discovered America, (America was discovered long before the Mayflower came over, by Cristobal, not Christopher or Amerigo whichever you subscribe to) I was speaking of the people who came over to settle here after being rejected by England. I find it odd that if the framers of our constitution did not have English as their preferred language then why did they use it? I did get a degree in English history and literature at the University of Texas at Arlington, I am aware of these things.

You can't possibly deny that English is our official language and our ties to that heritage.

Christophorus Columbus (Crist

Il mio Male, ma ancora, non

A questo proposito siamo accosentiti.

 

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Ahora que hemos fijado eso. Vayamos comen un poco de burritos y tacos y beben una cerveza.

Je pense que vous des Etats-Unis devez change a une systeme bilingue. Comme Phreak a dit; Si vous ne voulez pas des espagnols dans "vos" Universit

I don't know about you Phreak but my heritage is an English one and so is that of the US. You are the one who brought in the discovery of the US, I referred to the Mayflower.

You can argue all you want, the official language of the US is still English. People who do not speak English well enough to their job on their own do have to be carried and the day companies do what you suggest, they will be costing themselves even more money.

No I couldn't go to Spain and work because I don't speak the language, therefore they should stay at home if they can't speak ours. If they don't have a good command of the language they don't deserve a degree from an American school, go home and get one there.

The country is becoming bi-lingual. Deal with it.

Actually, the United States is becoming multilingual. Yes, a good strong command of English is a requirement to truly be a citizen of the USA, but the attitude that one is somehow better than somebody else, because you speak English, is nothing short of egomania.

 

I believe in speaking English, however, I also take every opportunity presented to me, to learn a little of my neighbors language too; it helps me to convince them to show me some of their recipes and cooking!

I don't think I'm better in general, however there are things I am better at because I speak English. I resent having to carry people who don't speak the language. I resent allowances being made for people who CHOOSE not to speak the language. I don't ask for special treatment in spite of the fact I could probably get them to based on physical disability.

I won't bend over backwards anymore. I'm too pissed off at this point.

Let's ignore your blanket statement for a moment and break it down a little. Just how are you specifically carrying this person in your class?

A bi-lingual nation will not stand, same as a nation divided will not stand...

 

Multicultural sure, but multilingual is going to divide this country against itself... It's not that I have a problem with people speaking Spanish... Hell , my ex wife's whole family speaks Spanish! But they learned English before they moved here... It's not that hard... 6 months of an hour a night will give you enough to get by on, and then you can move... After that, being in the US will hopefully teach you English by necessity... Unless the granola eating fags mandate that our street signs have to be in 5 different languages...

 

Our nation is held together in part by our common culture but more than that OUR COMMON LANGUAGE... A common language makes us ALL feel like we are on the same team... 30% speaking one language, and 50% speaking another, and 20% speaking whatever that pig Latin is called that ******s let roll off their lips, is going to catch up with us...

 

We need to start thinking of ourselves as AMERICANS... Not African Americans, or Mexican Americans, or Puerto rican Americans.....

 

FUCKING AMERICANS! 100% committed, through and through....

 

That's the only way we are going to solve any of our problems!

 

But the more we allow dividing principals like multiculturalism, and multilingual define our nation, the less we feel like we are ALL Americans, and the less we care about the other side...

 

Don't just think about trying not to hurt people's feelings now, try to not hurt everybody in the future... We are fucking setting ourselves up for massive revolution...

 

This is just one step... it's a small one, so it seems meaningless, but it's a slippery slope... watch your step!

Let's ignore your blanket statement for a moment and break it down a little. Just how are you specifically carrying this person in your class?

 

I should have been more specific, I was not speaking of the person in my class. I was speaking of the jobs I have had. I worked for an insurance company for years, that is where I had to do the most carrying. I ended up being an auditor for them as well, thats when I saw just how bad their job performance was. Because I was like a supervisor, when someone wanted to complain I often spoke with them, I got alot of complaints about the Spanish speakers performance. My boss was born in Puerto Rico and she spoke both English and Spanish very well, even she said in a meeting of supervisors one time that her own people were letting her down because there performance was substandard. I did not come by my opinion on my own.

 

I don't think I'm betting then anyone but all of us can say there are some things we are better at then people around us.

 

To say I am better then you (in my mind) implys I think I am of more value or that I am morally superior, nothing could further from the truth.