Ted Haggard grew up in hell -- only it was called Tulsa -- and it's still hell

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Joe S.

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According to Bishop Carlton Pearson, Ted Haggard isn't going to hell. He's
already in hell.

Pearson, 53, was a leading light of the contemporary Pentecostal -- or
charismatic -- movement until he rejected the concept of hell a few years
ago. Hell, Pearson says, does not exist. Salvation by Jesus, he maintains,
is not required for eternal grace. Everyone is saved. The only hell is right
here on earth, a creation of fundamentalism, scriptural literalism and the
terror that fills the hearts of fundamentalists at each impure thought, each
shameful moment of sexual longing. "I'm not trying to convert anybody,"
Pearson told me recently. "I'm just trying to convince everybody that
they're loved. Ultimately redeemed, whoever they are." Pearson calls the
notion that a supposedly merciful God would torture people in an eternal
hell "absurd and vulgar." It's no wonder then, that Pearson was roundly
condemned by his peers, including the pre-scandal Haggard, for his radical
views. Haggard, Pearson said, "denounced me and said, 'hell is a physical
place.' ... Well, he's right, and he's in that hell right now."

Pearson has known Haggard since they were classmates at Oral Roberts
University in Tulsa in the 1970s. ORU, founded in 1963 by the televangelist
and faith healer Oral Roberts, demanded "holiness" and required students to
sign an honor code pledging not to drink, smoke, dance, party, have sex, or
even think about sex. Engaging in any of these activities was evidence of
bodily and spiritual occupation by demons that had to be cast out. "If you
didn't cast them out, you bound them, 'we bind you in the name of Jesus, we
bind that spirit, I rebuke and bind that spirit,'" says Pearson. "So we were
always rebuking and binding the things we could exorcise from us. If we
wanted to smoke or we wanted to have sex outside of covenant, but we
weren't, but the desire never left us, we would just rebuke and bind it. 'I
bind it in the name of Jesus.' That's what Ted was trying to do with his
life, probably came to the conclusion that he couldn't handle it."

Haggard's father, said Pearson, was an intimidating 400-pound Pentecostal
preacher who cast out devils. If he had known his son was gay, Pearson
maintains, he "would've cast the devil out of him. ... And Ted would have
spit and rolled and frothed. And he might have gyrated. Usually they vomit
or they scream, or something like that." Haggard came to ORU "scarred
somewhat by his encounters with his father."

Homosexuality, of course, was not tolerated at ORU. Pearson sang with
Roberts' traveling musical group, the World Action Singers, from which
Roberts expelled two members because they were gay. Roberts' own oldest son,
Ronald, committed suicide in 1982 at the age of 37. Pearson says that
Ronald, too, was gay.

Roberts' younger son Richard is now at the helm of ORU, where recently he
welcomed the lollapalooza of the evangelical world, Teen Mania's Acquire the
Fire. There, entertained by Christian rock bands and "dramas" -- multimedia
presentations blending videos with live acting -- middle and high school
kids were relentlessly reminded how to resist "deception," temptations like
sex and secularism and MTV and Aeropostale. They registered their own
holiness when they gave Roberts his enthusiastic applause line for
denouncing the Discovery Channel documentary that reported evidence that
Jesus had a family: Any suggestion that Jesus himself experienced sexual
desire was expelled from the arena, where 7,000 kids from four states paid
upwards of $60 apiece to get "branded by God."

To much hooting and hollering, Roberts declared: "You'd have to be a sucker
to believe some lie that some Hollywood producer put up in order to make
some money." That didn't stop Teen Mania personnel from peddling their own
merchandise all day, including a "T-shirt for the ladies" that bore the
slogan "Citizen of Heaven."

But despite the denunciations of carnality, the featured band, Unhindered,
played and replayed a song -- well known to all the kids around me --
calling for Jesus to "consume me from the inside out." It was like an anthem
to the puppy love of adolescence, with a strange homoeroticism to the band's
front man pledging "my heart and my soul/I give you control/to consume me
from the inside out, Lord." (I imagined kids doodling "Jesus + me 4ever" in
the margins of their notebooks in school on Monday). But it reflected a
fundamentalist displacement theory of sorts: if Jesus occupies you, consumes
you, there's no room for the devil. Until those pesky hormones get in the
way.

While the kids may have been unhindered in their embrace of Jesus,
unmentioned was Pastor Ted's own thumbprint on Teen Mania. Before his fall,
Haggard was a partner in Teen Mania's "Battle Cry for a Generation" campaign
and a frequent speaker at its events. But his ghost was still hanging over
Tulsa, from the enforced purity of the Acquire the Fire concert to the
bookstore at the brand new Victory Bible Church across the street, where an
entire section was devoted to the evils of homosexuality and how to
"convert" to heterosexuality. The pastor, Billy Joe Daugherty, who hosted
the Acquire the Fire event, was raising money for the still-unfinished
children's wing of the church. There, they hope to build a hands-on
creationism museum for the kids. Because it's never too early to start
grooming another generation to be consumed by Jesus.

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Joe S. wrote:
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>
> According to Bishop Carlton Pearson, Ted Haggard isn't going to hell.
> He's already in hell.


The Ex Swami X used to preach that hell was in Billy Graham's left nut...



Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
 
He's in hell because he's having to deny a fundamental part of his nature.

Of course, he's a Christian. He should be used to that.


"Joe S." <none@anon.net> wrote in message
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> QUOTE
>
> According to Bishop Carlton Pearson, Ted Haggard isn't going to hell. He's
> already in hell.
>
> Pearson, 53, was a leading light of the contemporary Pentecostal -- or
> charismatic -- movement until he rejected the concept of hell a few years
> ago. Hell, Pearson says, does not exist. Salvation by Jesus, he maintains,
> is not required for eternal grace. Everyone is saved. The only hell is
> right here on earth, a creation of fundamentalism, scriptural literalism
> and the terror that fills the hearts of fundamentalists at each impure
> thought, each shameful moment of sexual longing. "I'm not trying to
> convert anybody," Pearson told me recently. "I'm just trying to convince
> everybody that they're loved. Ultimately redeemed, whoever they are."
> Pearson calls the notion that a supposedly merciful God would torture
> people in an eternal hell "absurd and vulgar." It's no wonder then, that
> Pearson was roundly condemned by his peers, including the pre-scandal
> Haggard, for his radical views. Haggard, Pearson said, "denounced me and
> said, 'hell is a physical place.' ... Well, he's right, and he's in that
> hell right now."
>
> Pearson has known Haggard since they were classmates at Oral Roberts
> University in Tulsa in the 1970s. ORU, founded in 1963 by the
> televangelist and faith healer Oral Roberts, demanded "holiness" and
> required students to sign an honor code pledging not to drink, smoke,
> dance, party, have sex, or even think about sex. Engaging in any of these
> activities was evidence of bodily and spiritual occupation by demons that
> had to be cast out. "If you didn't cast them out, you bound them, 'we bind
> you in the name of Jesus, we bind that spirit, I rebuke and bind that
> spirit,'" says Pearson. "So we were always rebuking and binding the things
> we could exorcise from us. If we wanted to smoke or we wanted to have sex
> outside of covenant, but we weren't, but the desire never left us, we
> would just rebuke and bind it. 'I bind it in the name of Jesus.' That's
> what Ted was trying to do with his life, probably came to the conclusion
> that he couldn't handle it."
>
> Haggard's father, said Pearson, was an intimidating 400-pound Pentecostal
> preacher who cast out devils. If he had known his son was gay, Pearson
> maintains, he "would've cast the devil out of him. ... And Ted would have
> spit and rolled and frothed. And he might have gyrated. Usually they vomit
> or they scream, or something like that." Haggard came to ORU "scarred
> somewhat by his encounters with his father."
>
> Homosexuality, of course, was not tolerated at ORU. Pearson sang with
> Roberts' traveling musical group, the World Action Singers, from which
> Roberts expelled two members because they were gay. Roberts' own oldest
> son, Ronald, committed suicide in 1982 at the age of 37. Pearson says that
> Ronald, too, was gay.
>
> Roberts' younger son Richard is now at the helm of ORU, where recently he
> welcomed the lollapalooza of the evangelical world, Teen Mania's Acquire
> the Fire. There, entertained by Christian rock bands and "dramas" --
> multimedia presentations blending videos with live acting -- middle and
> high school kids were relentlessly reminded how to resist "deception,"
> temptations like sex and secularism and MTV and Aeropostale. They
> registered their own holiness when they gave Roberts his enthusiastic
> applause line for denouncing the Discovery Channel documentary that
> reported evidence that Jesus had a family: Any suggestion that Jesus
> himself experienced sexual desire was expelled from the arena, where 7,000
> kids from four states paid upwards of $60 apiece to get "branded by God."
>
> To much hooting and hollering, Roberts declared: "You'd have to be a
> sucker to believe some lie that some Hollywood producer put up in order to
> make some money." That didn't stop Teen Mania personnel from peddling
> their own merchandise all day, including a "T-shirt for the ladies" that
> bore the slogan "Citizen of Heaven."
>
> But despite the denunciations of carnality, the featured band, Unhindered,
> played and replayed a song -- well known to all the kids around me --
> calling for Jesus to "consume me from the inside out." It was like an
> anthem to the puppy love of adolescence, with a strange homoeroticism to
> the band's front man pledging "my heart and my soul/I give you control/to
> consume me from the inside out, Lord." (I imagined kids doodling "Jesus +
> me 4ever" in the margins of their notebooks in school on Monday). But it
> reflected a fundamentalist displacement theory of sorts: if Jesus occupies
> you, consumes you, there's no room for the devil. Until those pesky
> hormones get in the way.
>
> While the kids may have been unhindered in their embrace of Jesus,
> unmentioned was Pastor Ted's own thumbprint on Teen Mania. Before his
> fall, Haggard was a partner in Teen Mania's "Battle Cry for a Generation"
> campaign and a frequent speaker at its events. But his ghost was still
> hanging over Tulsa, from the enforced purity of the Acquire the Fire
> concert to the bookstore at the brand new Victory Bible Church across the
> street, where an entire section was devoted to the evils of homosexuality
> and how to "convert" to heterosexuality. The pastor, Billy Joe Daugherty,
> who hosted the Acquire the Fire event, was raising money for the
> still-unfinished children's wing of the church. There, they hope to build
> a hands-on creationism museum for the kids. Because it's never too early
> to start grooming another generation to be consumed by Jesus.
>
> http://www.alternet.org/rights/49229/
>
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