The Chicago march drew 150,000 people, the police said, below the nearly half-million of last year

Attention patriots:

The New York Times is not to be trusted, they make up facts & figures.

The only ones that can be trusted are the mini-men, led by our very

own MURS Radio.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/02/us/02immig.html

LOS ANGELES, May 1 - Tens of thousands of people pressing for

immigrants' rights demonstrated on Tuesday in dozens of cities. But

with advocates splintered over tactics, the crowds paled in comparison

with the turnout last year.

The protests, with some of the largest gatherings here and in Chicago

and Phoenix, took aim at recent raids by immigration agents and

stalled negotiations in Congress over proposals for the most sweeping

changes in immigration law in 20 years.

"I came here like everyone else to make sure we get a just immigration

reform law passed," said Abel Corona, 34, who described himself as an

illegal immigrant from Mexico, as he marched here. "We are not going

anywhere. We are not criminals. We came here to work and even to help

this country economically."

Talking over the din of drums and chanting at the Chicago march,

Esmeralda Marin, 30, a Mexican-American, said she was demonstrating to

denounce the government raids, which have led to an increase in

deportations in the last year.

"If we have seen anything since last year, we have seen more families

torn apart," Ms. Marin said.

The Chicago march drew 150,000 people, the police said, below the

nearly half-million of last year.

Martha Martinez, 27, who said she was a legal resident, marched in

Denver against the raids and on behalf of a family who she said was

afraid of being arrested if they participated.

"It's not right to separate families, but that's what has happened,"

Ms. Martinez said, as her 6-year-old son held a sign reading, "I

refuse to live in fear."

Some organizers faulted the raids as lowering the turnout of illegal

immigrants. Organizers nonetheless claimed success in drawing

attention to immigrants' concerns.

"We have already injected ourselves into the national immigration

debate," said Javier Rodriguez, a march organizer in Los Angeles.

Although sizable in some places, the demonstrations were for the most

part peaceful. At an evening rally, however, the Los Angeles police

arrested several people they said threw rocks and bottles at officers,

who scuffled with some protesters as they tried to disperse the crowd.

Police fired rubber cartridges and used batons to push the crowd out

of the street, The Associated Press reported, but no arrests were

made.

The demonstrations seemed to underscore how much the protest movement

has struggled in the last year. More than 500,000 people turned out

here last year. This year, the police estimated that 25,000 attended

the largest of three rallies.

In Denver, where 75,000 people participated last year, an estimated

10,000 demonstrated, organizers said. The police put the number at no

more than 2,000.

Unlike the protest last year, nobody called for a "day without an

immigrant." No widespread business boycotts materialized. For the most

part, students did not pour out of schools.

Last year, a bill in Congress proposed, among other measures, making

it a felony to be in the United States illegally, providing a sharp

and clearly defined rallying point that fueled protests. Just as that

proposal fizzled, so did the protests, with subsequent rallies smaller

and smaller as organizers turned to voter registration and lobbying.

"The political climate last year was passionate, energetic, dramatic,"

said Armando Navarro, a professor of ethnic studies at the University

of California, Riverside, who helped organize marches here last year.

"This year, it is one of uncertainty, doubt, fear, things that are not

encouraging of participation and impede in many ways people from

participating."

Reflecting on the last year, Professor Navarro said: "We could not

agree on what needed to be done next. Some moved on to the assumption

we had to impact the November elections to get Democrats elected in

Congress. So there was a major gap between the May 1 demonstration and

the voter registration drives that summer and fall. But after

November, there was nothing in motion."

After the Democrats won Congress, some advocates of immigration rights

expressed hope that they might find a way to make citizens out of some

or all the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants.

Many of those Democrats won election taking a hard line on immigrants,

and as presidential election politics heat up, doubts are growing that

an immigration bill will be passed this year.

The Federation for American Immigration Reform, which says illegal

immigrants drain the economy and opposes their legalization as an

amnesty, said the marches only made clear the need for more

enforcement.

"May Day 2007 is likely to draw a small fraction of the participants

who marched on behalf of amnesty for illegal aliens in 2006, but it is

certain to serve as a reminder to law-abiding Americans that Congress

and the Bush administration have still not taken the necessary steps

to secure the nation's borders or protect American workers," the group

said in a statement.

A group of counterdemonstrators made a similar point as they

confronted the thousands of advocates of immigration rights outside

the Arizona Capitol in Phoenix.

In Washington, several hundred people demonstrated at Republican and

Democratic Party headquarters.

In New York, demonstrations were modest compared with some elsewhere.

Thousands gathered on Union Square, and demonstrators at an interfaith

service at the Judson Memorial Church in Greenwich Village taped

leaves on a mural depicting a tree to symbolize families separated by

deportation.

Jacqueline Sayago, 42, of Ridgewood, Queens, a janitor who said she

emigrated illegally from Venezuela, said she feared deportation and

having to find somewhere for her daughter, 8, who was born in the

United States, to stay.

"I am scared one day they will separate us," Ms. Sayago said. "I want

everybody in America to know that I work, I work hard. I pay I.R.S.

money. I'm doing everything right."

Reporting was contributed by Sarah Abruzzese in Washington, Ana F.

Contreras in Los Angeles, Cassi Feldman in New York, Dan Frosch in

Denver, Paul Giblin in Phoenix and Libby Sander in Chicago.

> A group of counterdemonstrators made a similar point as they

> confronted the thousands of advocates of immigration rights outside

> the Arizona Capitol in Phoenix.

These counterdemonstrators were actually 3 million strong, but of

course, CNN (The Most Trusted Name in News [TM] my ass) is always

lying to us patriots. There is a huge media conspiracy by the World

Bank and the globalists.

Ohmygod! The cops came! The thought police are here! They grabbed my

computer! Help me, mini-men! Hey, I am related to Alberto Gonzalez,

don't touch that hard disk!

Where is the ACLU, those Jews, when you need them?

(never to be heard from again) :-(

-former poster Ramon

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LIES from the lying anarchist racist leaders!!! ...and you actually

BELIEVE those FALSE NUMBERS?! SILLY FOOL! I was THERE in San

Diego... I KNOW what the numbers REALLY were there.

- Stewart (San Diego Minutemen)

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Silly FOOL! - CNN is NOW reporting that the numbers were INFLATED!

Even that liberal network is having to retract the FALSELY AND GREATLY

INFLATED NUMBERS for Chicago!!!!

YOU LOSE - RACIST!

- Stewart (San Diego Minutemen)

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Perhaps my computer and TV are hooked up to a warped-space Internet

and CNN, but, in my universe, the numbers have not been retracted:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/01/immigration.protests/index.html

Don't you mini-men have health coverage (specially mental)?

-Ramon

On May 2, 5:06 pm, "Jim" <del...@itlnet.net> wrote:

> Ramon, your not credible, your post's aren't credible and your nothing but a

> lying cowardly troll.

>

> Go fuck yourself.

>

> "Ramon F Herrera" <r...@conexus.net> wrote in messagenews:1178127010.927855.156730@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> > -------------------

> > LIES from the lying anarchist racist leaders!!! ...and you actually

> > BELIEVE those FALSE NUMBERS?! SILLY FOOL! I was THERE in San

> > Diego... I KNOW what the numbers REALLY were there.

>

> > - Stewart (San Diego Minutemen)

> > -------------------

> > Silly FOOL! - CNN is NOW reporting that the numbers were INFLATED!

> > Even that liberal network is having to retract the FALSELY AND GREATLY

> > INFLATED NUMBERS for Chicago!!!!

>

> > YOU LOSE - RACIST!

>

> > - Stewart (San Diego Minutemen)

> > -------------------

>

> > Perhaps my computer and TV are hooked up to a warped-space Internet

> > and CNN, but, in my universe, the numbers have not been retracted:

>

> >http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/01/immigration.protests/index.html

>

> > Don't you mini-men have health coverage (specially mental)?

>

> > -Ramon

>

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Ramon, your not credible, your post's aren't credible and your nothing but a

lying cowardly troll.

Go fuck yourself.

"Ramon F Herrera" <ramon@conexus.net> wrote in message

news:1178127010.927855.156730@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>

> -------------------

> LIES from the lying anarchist racist leaders!!! ...and you actually

> BELIEVE those FALSE NUMBERS?! SILLY FOOL! I was THERE in San

> Diego... I KNOW what the numbers REALLY were there.

>

> - Stewart (San Diego Minutemen)

> -------------------

> Silly FOOL! - CNN is NOW reporting that the numbers were INFLATED!

> Even that liberal network is having to retract the FALSELY AND GREATLY

> INFLATED NUMBERS for Chicago!!!!

>

> YOU LOSE - RACIST!

>

> - Stewart (San Diego Minutemen)

> -------------------

>

> Perhaps my computer and TV are hooked up to a warped-space Internet

> and CNN, but, in my universe, the numbers have not been retracted:

>

> http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/01/immigration.protests/index.html

>

> Don't you mini-men have health coverage (specially mental)?

>

> -Ramon

>

>

>

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On Wed, 2 May 2007 17:06:59 -0700, "Jim" <delta1@itlnet.net> wrote:

>Ramon, your not credible, your post's aren't credible and your nothing but a

>lying cowardly troll.

>

>Go fuck yourself.

I'd say he's a pretty successful one, given that you guys dutifully

respond to it. He snaps his fingers, you guys sit up and beg.

>

>"Ramon F Herrera" <ramon@conexus.net> wrote in message

>news:1178127010.927855.156730@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> -------------------

>> LIES from the lying anarchist racist leaders!!! ...and you actually

>> BELIEVE those FALSE NUMBERS?! SILLY FOOL! I was THERE in San

>> Diego... I KNOW what the numbers REALLY were there.

>>

>> - Stewart (San Diego Minutemen)

>> -------------------

>> Silly FOOL! - CNN is NOW reporting that the numbers were INFLATED!

>> Even that liberal network is having to retract the FALSELY AND GREATLY

>> INFLATED NUMBERS for Chicago!!!!

>>

>> YOU LOSE - RACIST!

>>

>> - Stewart (San Diego Minutemen)

>> -------------------

>>

>> Perhaps my computer and TV are hooked up to a warped-space Internet

>> and CNN, but, in my universe, the numbers have not been retracted:

>>

>> http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/01/immigration.protests/index.html

>>

>> Don't you mini-men have health coverage (specially mental)?

>>

>> -Ramon

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

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On May 2, 9:09 pm, "Jim" <del...@itlnet.net> wrote:

> "Steely from Yokohama" <was-hoy-pa...@postamerica.net> wrote in messagenews:5t9i33l9962p3k8stglnp3ge905csd9m35@4ax.com...> On Wed, 2 May 2007 17:06:59 -0700, "Jim" <del...@itlnet.net> wrote:

>

> >>Ramon, your not credible, your post's aren't credible and your nothing but

> >>a

> >>lying cowardly troll.

>

> >>Go fuck yourself.

>

> > I'd say he's a pretty successful one, given that you guys dutifully

> > respond to it. He snaps his fingers, you guys sit up and beg.

>

> And I've noticed your one of the 'you guys crowd yourself.'

>

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On Wed, 2 May 2007 21:09:00 -0700, "Jim" <delta1@itlnet.net> wrote:

>

>"Steely from Yokohama" <was-hoy-paloy@postamerica.net> wrote in message

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>> On Wed, 2 May 2007 17:06:59 -0700, "Jim" <delta1@itlnet.net> wrote:

>>

>>>Ramon, your not credible, your post's aren't credible and your nothing but

>>>a

>>>lying cowardly troll.

>>>

>>>Go fuck yourself.

>>

>> I'd say he's a pretty successful one, given that you guys dutifully

>> respond to it. He snaps his fingers, you guys sit up and beg.

>And I've noticed your one of the 'you guys crowd yourself.'

>

Ramon has been in my killfile since the first week he posted here.

He's a troll, an online masturbator.

"Steely from Yokohama" <was-hoy-paloy@postamerica.net> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 2 May 2007 17:06:59 -0700, "Jim" <delta1@itlnet.net> wrote:

>

>>Ramon, your not credible, your post's aren't credible and your nothing but

>>a

>>lying cowardly troll.

>>

>>Go fuck yourself.

>

> I'd say he's a pretty successful one, given that you guys dutifully

> respond to it. He snaps his fingers, you guys sit up and beg.

And I've noticed your one of the 'you guys crowd yourself.'

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On May 3, 9:12 am, "Jim" <del...@itlnet.net> wrote:

> "Steely from Yokohama" <was-hoy-pa...@postamerica.net> wrote in messagenews:9ehi335e9kiuvtdhlc26h964rtl1hbl67p@4ax.com...

>

> > Ramon has been in my killfile since the first week he posted here.

> > He's a troll, an online masturbator.

>

> LOL... well that's a good description anyway

>

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> Ramon has been in my killfile since the first week he posted here.

> He's a troll, an online masturbator.

LOL... well that's a good description anyway

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