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From www.hughhewitt.townhall.com

Friday, July 20, 2007
The night Mitch McConnell became the leader of the Republican Party.
Posted by Hugh Hewitt | 1:12 AM
Posted by Generalissimo


A remarkable thing happened in the United States Senate earlier this
evening, and it occurred over a rather unremarkable piece of legislation
that was being debated. Conservatives, frustrated at the lack of a genuine
leader of their party, may have finally found one in Kentucky Senator Mitch
McConnell.


After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session Tuesday
night, a move that resulted only in helping unify the weak-kneed Republicans
who were peeling away from continued support of the Petraeus surge in Iraq,
McConnell, the Republican leader, served notice to anyone watching C-SPAN
that he now runs the Senate.


The Senate spent much of the day discussing the merits, or demerits, of HR
2669, the Student Loans and Grants Act. Maybe it was the culmination of a
long week already, or maybe it was the upper chamber being lulled off guard
by the increasingly senile senior Senator from West Virginia, Robert Byrd,
who spent 25 minutes decrying the plight of the helpless fight dog in
response to the weird Michael Vick story in the news, but tonight, McConnell
and the Republicans decided to take control of the Senate. The Republicans
offered amendment after amendment to the bill, catching the Democrats
flat-footed. In case you want to hear about the plight of the fight dog,
here's Robert Byrd's Senate floor address.


After a couple of Republican amendments failed, Mitch McConnell took to the
floor and offered his own amendment, which was a Sense of the Senate that
Guantanamo detainees not be allowed released or moved to U.S. soil. To
conservatives, this obviously makes sense. To liberals, especially
California's Dianne Feinstein, one of the chief proponents of the effort to
close the detention center at Gitmo and relocate these detainees into the
American justice system, especially when tagged onto a student loan and
grant bill, you'd think this measure would go down in flames. Except a funny
thing happened. The bill was titled in a way that you had to vote yes to
vote no, and no to vote yes. The final vote was 94-3, officially putting the
Senate on record as saying terrorist detainees shouldn't be moved to the
U.S. Before the Democrats, who clearly hadn't read the amendment, realized
they screwed up, the vote was recorded.


Jim DeMint of South Carolina was the author of the next amendment in line,
had just gotten the consent of Bernie Sanders, the presiding officer, to
order the yeas and nays. Up stepped Massachusetts senior Senator Ted
Kennedy, now obviously aware that he and his colleagues just got bamboozled,
and went on a full-throated rant, with reckless disregard to obvious
hypocrisy, and blasted DeMint and the Republicans for slowing down the works
in the Senate. The rant is worth hearing, so here it is.


Once the rant was over, Kennedy threw the Senate into a quorum call so that
the Democrats could regroup. The session progressed well into the night, and
McConnell could easily have rested on his laurels, but he wasn't finished.
Colorado Democrat Ken Salazar offered his own irrelevant amendment, asking
for a sense of the Senate that President Bush not pardon Scooter Libby.
McConnell, with that wry smile he offers when he's up to something,
countered with a secondary amendment to Salazar's, saying that if it's fair
to bring up the Senate's view of potential future inappropriate pardons,
maybe we should also have a sense of the Senate of past inappropriate
pardons, and proceeded to maneuver the Senate clerk into reading off the
laundry list of Clinton administration pardons, including those of Marc Rich
and others, which again set the Democrats off in a tailspin. After throwing
the Senate back into a quorum call for half an hour, the beleaguered Harry
Reid came out and pulled the Salazar amendment off the floor. He'd been
Mitchslapped twice in one night.


Once again, the senior Senator from Massachusetts took to the floor, this
time directing his venom at McConnell. Here's the audio and text.



What in the world does the Republican leader have against this legislation?
The legislation that we have here before the United States Senate passed
17-3. The authorizing provision that changes policy was virtually unanimous.
Young people all over the country are looking in here in the United States
Senate. This is about the future of this next generation. Their hopes and
their dreams. It's about our country and being able to compete in the world.
It's about the quality of our armed forces, about getting well-trained,
well-educated young people. It's about our institution, whether they're
going to be functioning and working. Why can't we go ahead and vote on this
legislation? We were here for two days, waiting for different amendments on
education. And few of them came. Why in the world are you holding up this
legislation that means so much to the future of our young people. We're
prepared to vote. We didn't have amendments over here on our side. We want
to get this legislation going ahead. We're looking forward to the
reauthorization debate for next week, and we're looking forward to getting
something worthy of this institution. We, in the 45 years I've been in the
United States Senate, under the leadership of Stafford of Vermont, of
Claiborne Pell of Rhode Island, of the members that we have had here, we
have had true...


The Senator's time is expired.


Kennedy: Why are we disrupting.


Senator's time is expired.

If anyone really believes Senator Kennedy hasn't seen obstruction like this
in his 45 years, then they haven't met Judges Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers
Brown, William Myers, William Pryor, Henry Saad, Richard Griffin, David
McKeague, Miguel Estrada, Peter Keisler, Charles Pickering, or Leslie
Southwick. While some of these judges eventually got onto the bench as part
of the Gang of 14 deal, there are many who were scuttled as part of the
deal, and Keisler and Southwick continue to languish at the hands of the Pat
Leahy controlled Judiciary Committee, of which Kennedy is a member. Kennedy
is no stranger to preventing votes from being taken.


Senator Kennedy isn't angry at Republicans tonight anyway. Any conservative
who watched the debate in the evening recognizes the frustration in him. It's
the same frustration conservatives had between 2005 and the beginning of
this year when Bill Frist, the affable but ineffective Republican majority
leader, consistently mismanaged the Senate. Ted Kennedy is angry at Harry
Reid, because in seven short months, Mitch McConnell has run rings around
him on issues from Iraq to immigration, and tonight, he just flat-out
schooled Reid on how the Senate works, as if to say to Reid you messed with
us two nights ago on a PR stunt for your fringe base, here's how things like
that can be answered.


And considering the fact that McConnell, Republican Conference Chairman Jon
Kyl and other GOP Senators have been vocal about the growing frustration
that the Democrats are not processing judicial nominees in good faith, and
the coming slowdown showdown that really could grind things to a halt as a
consequence of continued Democratic inaction on these nominees, if I were
Kennedy, I'd be real nervous about who my leader was.


The political landscape in Washington, D.C. would be completely different if
McConnell would have been running the Senate the last two years rather than
Senator Frist. While Dr. Frist was and remains a good conservative,
ideologically speaking, he simply could not deliver the fight in the Senate
that the conservative base by and large wanted to see happen while they had
the numbers in the majority they did.


Over the next 16 months, there are going to be many issues the Senate should
be taking up but won't, and many other issues it has no business debating
but will. Obviously, nobody is pleased with the performance of the
Republicans in the Senate overall in the last few years. Members who have
strayed off the reservation on core conservative issues have been too
numerous to count. But the fact of the matter is there was one amendment by
Minnesota Senator Norm Coleman that failed on almost a purely party line
vote that should make all conservatives pause before they wash their hands
of the party November next. Senator Coleman tried to require as an amendment
to this bill that the FCC not be allowed to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine,
and was defeated 49-48. All Republicans present voted yes, all Democrats
present, including Hillary Clinton but excluding Indiana's Evan Bayh, voted
no.


Make no mistake about it, if the Democrats gain the White House next
November, and Republicans get so lost in which Senator voted what way on
this or that, causing the Democrats to pick up additional seats, the
Fairness Doctrine might very well be in play, and could take years before
the Court could rule it unconstitutional. Goodbye talk radio.


The Senate surely has made the base nervous at best and disgusted at worst
in the seven months of the McConnell tenure. But if you look at the stats,
when all is said and done, when the base needed him, he's been there. He
successfully kept the Republicans in line on multiple time certain
withdrawal resolutions in the Senate, skillfully allowed the immigration
bill to die while at least giving it a chance to be debated, and tonight
showed the ability that he has no reservations about going toe to toe with
Harry Reid and beating him repeatedly. It's time conservatives use the old
Reagan adage, trust but verify, and continue to support and encourage Mitch
McConnell, and work to add to his numbers in the Senate next November.
 
And if this had happened to a Republican, it wouldn't have been the first on
headline news on all the big three evening news networks. But this is just
more exposure the main stream is overwhelmingly liberally bias, although
libs will deny it just like lying convicts all claim to be innocent!



"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bkdoi.9246$tj6.6691@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> From www.hughhewitt.townhall.com
>
> Friday, July 20, 2007
> The night Mitch McConnell became the leader of the Republican Party.
> Posted by Hugh Hewitt | 1:12 AM
> Posted by Generalissimo
>
>
> A remarkable thing happened in the United States Senate earlier this
> evening, and it occurred over a rather unremarkable piece of legislation
> that was being debated. Conservatives, frustrated at the lack of a genuine
> leader of their party, may have finally found one in Kentucky Senator
> Mitch McConnell.
>
>
> After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session Tuesday
> night, a move that resulted only in helping unify the weak-kneed
> Republicans who were peeling away from continued support of the Petraeus
> surge in Iraq, McConnell, the Republican leader, served notice to anyone
> watching C-SPAN that he now runs the Senate.
>
>
> The Senate spent much of the day discussing the merits, or demerits, of HR
> 2669, the Student Loans and Grants Act. Maybe it was the culmination of a
> long week already, or maybe it was the upper chamber being lulled off
> guard by the increasingly senile senior Senator from West Virginia, Robert
> Byrd, who spent 25 minutes decrying the plight of the helpless fight dog
> in response to the weird Michael Vick story in the news, but tonight,
> McConnell and the Republicans decided to take control of the Senate. The
> Republicans offered amendment after amendment to the bill, catching the
> Democrats flat-footed. In case you want to hear about the plight of the
> fight dog, here's Robert Byrd's Senate floor address.
>
>
> After a couple of Republican amendments failed, Mitch McConnell took to
> the floor and offered his own amendment, which was a Sense of the Senate
> that Guantanamo detainees not be allowed released or moved to U.S. soil.
> To conservatives, this obviously makes sense. To liberals, especially
> California's Dianne Feinstein, one of the chief proponents of the effort
> to close the detention center at Gitmo and relocate these detainees into
> the American justice system, especially when tagged onto a student loan
> and grant bill, you'd think this measure would go down in flames. Except a
> funny thing happened. The bill was titled in a way that you had to vote
> yes to vote no, and no to vote yes. The final vote was 94-3, officially
> putting the Senate on record as saying terrorist detainees shouldn't be
> moved to the U.S. Before the Democrats, who clearly hadn't read the
> amendment, realized they screwed up, the vote was recorded.
>
>
> Jim DeMint of South Carolina was the author of the next amendment in line,
> had just gotten the consent of Bernie Sanders, the presiding officer, to
> order the yeas and nays. Up stepped Massachusetts senior Senator Ted
> Kennedy, now obviously aware that he and his colleagues just got
> bamboozled, and went on a full-throated rant, with reckless disregard to
> obvious hypocrisy, and blasted DeMint and the Republicans for slowing down
> the works in the Senate. The rant is worth hearing, so here it is.
>
>
> Once the rant was over, Kennedy threw the Senate into a quorum call so
> that the Democrats could regroup. The session progressed well into the
> night, and McConnell could easily have rested on his laurels, but he
> wasn't finished. Colorado Democrat Ken Salazar offered his own irrelevant
> amendment, asking for a sense of the Senate that President Bush not pardon
> Scooter Libby. McConnell, with that wry smile he offers when he's up to
> something, countered with a secondary amendment to Salazar's, saying that
> if it's fair to bring up the Senate's view of potential future
> inappropriate pardons, maybe we should also have a sense of the Senate of
> past inappropriate pardons, and proceeded to maneuver the Senate clerk
> into reading off the laundry list of Clinton administration pardons,
> including those of Marc Rich and others, which again set the Democrats off
> in a tailspin. After throwing the Senate back into a quorum call for half
> an hour, the beleaguered Harry Reid came out and pulled the Salazar
> amendment off the floor. He'd been Mitchslapped twice in one night.
>
>
> Once again, the senior Senator from Massachusetts took to the floor, this
> time directing his venom at McConnell. Here's the audio and text.
>
>
>
> What in the world does the Republican leader have against this
> legislation? The legislation that we have here before the United States
> Senate passed 17-3. The authorizing provision that changes policy was
> virtually unanimous. Young people all over the country are looking in here
> in the United States Senate. This is about the future of this next
> generation. Their hopes and their dreams. It's about our country and being
> able to compete in the world. It's about the quality of our armed forces,
> about getting well-trained, well-educated young people. It's about our
> institution, whether they're going to be functioning and working. Why
> can't we go ahead and vote on this legislation? We were here for two days,
> waiting for different amendments on education. And few of them came. Why
> in the world are you holding up this legislation that means so much to the
> future of our young people. We're prepared to vote. We didn't have
> amendments over here on our side. We want to get this legislation going
> ahead. We're looking forward to the reauthorization debate for next week,
> and we're looking forward to getting something worthy of this institution.
> We, in the 45 years I've been in the United States Senate, under the
> leadership of Stafford of Vermont, of Claiborne Pell of Rhode Island, of
> the members that we have had here, we have had true...
>
>
> The Senator's time is expired.
>
>
> Kennedy: Why are we disrupting.
>
>
> Senator's time is expired.
>
> If anyone really believes Senator Kennedy hasn't seen obstruction like
> this in his 45 years, then they haven't met Judges Priscilla Owen, Janice
> Rogers Brown, William Myers, William Pryor, Henry Saad, Richard Griffin,
> David McKeague, Miguel Estrada, Peter Keisler, Charles Pickering, or
> Leslie Southwick. While some of these judges eventually got onto the bench
> as part of the Gang of 14 deal, there are many who were scuttled as part
> of the deal, and Keisler and Southwick continue to languish at the hands
> of the Pat Leahy controlled Judiciary Committee, of which Kennedy is a
> member. Kennedy is no stranger to preventing votes from being taken.
>
>
> Senator Kennedy isn't angry at Republicans tonight anyway. Any
> conservative who watched the debate in the evening recognizes the
> frustration in him. It's the same frustration conservatives had between
> 2005 and the beginning of this year when Bill Frist, the affable but
> ineffective Republican majority leader, consistently mismanaged the
> Senate. Ted Kennedy is angry at Harry Reid, because in seven short months,
> Mitch McConnell has run rings around him on issues from Iraq to
> immigration, and tonight, he just flat-out schooled Reid on how the Senate
> works, as if to say to Reid you messed with us two nights ago on a PR
> stunt for your fringe base, here's how things like that can be answered.
>
>
> And considering the fact that McConnell, Republican Conference Chairman
> Jon Kyl and other GOP Senators have been vocal about the growing
> frustration that the Democrats are not processing judicial nominees in
> good faith, and the coming slowdown showdown that really could grind
> things to a halt as a consequence of continued Democratic inaction on
> these nominees, if I were Kennedy, I'd be real nervous about who my leader
> was.
>
>
> The political landscape in Washington, D.C. would be completely different
> if McConnell would have been running the Senate the last two years rather
> than Senator Frist. While Dr. Frist was and remains a good conservative,
> ideologically speaking, he simply could not deliver the fight in the
> Senate that the conservative base by and large wanted to see happen while
> they had the numbers in the majority they did.
>
>
> Over the next 16 months, there are going to be many issues the Senate
> should be taking up but won't, and many other issues it has no business
> debating but will. Obviously, nobody is pleased with the performance of
> the Republicans in the Senate overall in the last few years. Members who
> have strayed off the reservation on core conservative issues have been too
> numerous to count. But the fact of the matter is there was one amendment
> by Minnesota Senator Norm Coleman that failed on almost a purely party
> line vote that should make all conservatives pause before they wash their
> hands of the party November next. Senator Coleman tried to require as an
> amendment to this bill that the FCC not be allowed to reinstate the
> Fairness Doctrine, and was defeated 49-48. All Republicans present voted
> yes, all Democrats present, including Hillary Clinton but excluding
> Indiana's Evan Bayh, voted no.
>
>
> Make no mistake about it, if the Democrats gain the White House next
> November, and Republicans get so lost in which Senator voted what way on
> this or that, causing the Democrats to pick up additional seats, the
> Fairness Doctrine might very well be in play, and could take years before
> the Court could rule it unconstitutional. Goodbye talk radio.
>
>
> The Senate surely has made the base nervous at best and disgusted at worst
> in the seven months of the McConnell tenure. But if you look at the stats,
> when all is said and done, when the base needed him, he's been there. He
> successfully kept the Republicans in line on multiple time certain
> withdrawal resolutions in the Senate, skillfully allowed the immigration
> bill to die while at least giving it a chance to be debated, and tonight
> showed the ability that he has no reservations about going toe to toe with
> Harry Reid and beating him repeatedly. It's time conservatives use the old
> Reagan adage, trust but verify, and continue to support and encourage
> Mitch McConnell, and work to add to his numbers in the Senate next
> November.
 
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>
> After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session Tuesday
> night, a move that resulted only in helping unify the weak-kneed

Republicans
> who were peeling away from continued support of the Petraeus surge in

Iraq,
> McConnell, the Republican leader, served notice to anyone watching C-SPAN
> that he now runs the Senate.


Great! Somebody go run and tell Bush that McConnell is running the Senate,
so he should blame McConnell for the fact that Congress hasn't sent the bill
to fund the troops and give them a pay raise, instead of trying to blame the
Democrats who actually tried to get it past the REPUBLICAN filibuster.
 
"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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> From www.hughhewitt.townhall.com
>
> Friday, July 20, 2007
> The night Mitch McConnell became the leader of the Republican Party.
> Posted by Hugh Hewitt | 1:12 AM


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Hewitt

Hewitt is also a law professor at Chapman University School of Law and
Executive Editor of Townhall.com. He is a native of Warren, OH.


From http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=890494

Very interesting and entertaining, thought-provoking, but not necessarily a
good teacher.


> Posted by Generalissimo
>
>
> A remarkable thing happened in the United States Senate earlier this


<snip>
 
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> "SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session Tuesday
>> night, a move that resulted only in helping unify the weak-kneed

> Republicans
>> who were peeling away from continued support of the Petraeus surge in

> Iraq,
>> McConnell, the Republican leader, served notice to anyone watching C-SPAN
>> that he now runs the Senate.

>
> Great! Somebody go run and tell Bush that McConnell is running the
> Senate,
> so he should blame McConnell for the fact that Congress hasn't sent the
> bill
> to fund the troops and give them a pay raise, instead of trying to blame
> the
> Democrats who actually tried to get it past the REPUBLICAN filibuster.


why blame mitch, it was Reid who removed it.

>
>
 
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> "SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:bkdoi.9246$tj6.6691@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> From www.hughhewitt.townhall.com
>>
>> Friday, July 20, 2007
>> The night Mitch McConnell became the leader of the Republican Party.
>> Posted by Hugh Hewitt | 1:12 AM

>
> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Hewitt
>
> Hewitt is also a law professor at Chapman University School of Law and
> Executive Editor of Townhall.com. He is a native of Warren, OH.
>
>
> From http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=890494
>
> Very interesting and entertaining, thought-provoking, but not necessarily
> a good teacher.


Wow, a TOTAL of one comment. Now let me guess what the commentor's political
affiliation might be!


>> Posted by Generalissimo
>>
>>
>> A remarkable thing happened in the United States Senate earlier this

>
> <snip>
>
 
On Jul 20, 6:29 pm, "SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote:
> Fromwww.hughhewitt.townhall.com
>
> Friday, July 20, 2007
> The night Mitch McConnell became the leader of the Republican Party.
> Posted by Hugh Hewitt | 1:12 AM
> Posted by Generalissimo
>
> A remarkable thing happened in the United States Senate earlier this
> evening, and it occurred over a rather unremarkable piece of legislation
> that was being debated. Conservatives, frustrated at the lack of a genuine
> leader of their party, may have finally found one in Kentucky Senator Mitch
> McConnell.


Wrong.
"he was chosen by his peers as the Minority Leader in November 2006"

> After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session Tuesday


Wrong.
Reid doesn't have any relationship with MoveOn.org

> night, a move that resulted only in helping unify the weak-kneed Republicans
> who were peeling away from continued support of the Petraeus surge in Iraq,
> McConnell, the Republican leader, served notice to anyone watching C-SPAN
> that he now runs the Senate.
>
> The Senate spent much of the day discussing the merits, or demerits, of HR
> 2669, the Student Loans and Grants Act. Maybe it was the culmination of a
> long week already, or maybe it was the upper chamber being lulled off guard
> by the increasingly senile senior Senator from West Virginia, Robert Byrd,
> who spent 25 minutes decrying the plight of the helpless fight dog in
> response to the weird Michael Vick story in the news,


I guess the neocon writer likes seeing dogs killing dogs. Cute and
typical.

> but tonight, McConnell
> and the Republicans decided to take control of the Senate. The Republicans
> offered amendment after amendment to the bill, catching the Democrats
> flat-footed. In case you want to hear about the plight of the fight dog,
> here's Robert Byrd's Senate floor address.
>
> After a couple of Republican amendments failed, Mitch McConnell took to the
> floor and offered his own amendment, which was a Sense of the Senate that
> Guantanamo detainees not be allowed released or moved to U.S. soil. To
> conservatives, this obviously makes sense. To liberals, especially
> California's Dianne Feinstein, one of the chief proponents of the effort to
> close the detention center at Gitmo and relocate these detainees into the
> American justice system, especially when tagged onto a student loan and
> grant bill, you'd think this measure would go down in flames. Except a funny
> thing happened. The bill was titled in a way that you had to vote yes to
> vote no, and no to vote yes. The final vote was 94-3, officially putting the
> Senate on record as saying terrorist detainees shouldn't be moved to the
> U.S. Before the Democrats, who clearly hadn't read the amendment, realized
> they screwed up, the vote was recorded.


So then...
Far from 'taking control of the Senate', Mitch's neocon bitches fooled
the inept democons into yet another faux pas. That's nothing new. It
might even have been planned (again).

> The rant is worth hearing, so here it is.


The entire article is a rant.

But here's some more information for educational purposes:

"McConnell is a member of the Baptist Church. He married Elaine Chao,
the current Secretary of Labor, in 1993, and has three grown daughters
from his first marriage. McConnell's first wife worked as a librarian
for a small college in the Northeast."

"McConnell is a staunch conservative and a master of procedure, but no
piece of landmark legislation bears his name."

"Perhaps the only issue on which McConnell has a national profile is
campaign finance reform, where he's known for having fought it at
every turn.[2]"

" He is considered a master of using soft money a practice that has
earned him the nickname "the bagman" in some Democratic circles.[4]"

"Fundraising, contributors and influence
In October 2006, the Lexington Herald Leader published a series of
articles based on a six-month examination of McConnell's fundraising.
[5] The paper reported that McConnell had raised nearly $220 million
during his Senate career. Most of the money went to the campaigns of
his GOP colleagues; in return, the paper said, those colleagues "have
rewarded him with power." "He's completely dogged in his pursuit of
money. That's his great love, above everything else," said Marshall
Wittmann, a former aide to Senator John McCain, R-Ariz., and a
Christian Coalition lobbyist in Washington.

The paper found a significant correlation between McConnnell's actions
and his donors' agendas. He supported government action to help
cigarette makers, Las Vegas casinos, the pharmaceutical industry,
credit card lenders, coal mine owners, and others who gave large
amounts of money. McConnell has responded that he never allows money
to influence him. His donors support him because they like his pro-
business, conservative philosophy, he said, so it's hardly proof of
corruption when he does what they want, he maintains.[6]"

...wiki
 
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> >>
> >> After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session

Tuesday
> >> night, a move that resulted only in helping unify the weak-kneed

> > Republicans
> >> who were peeling away from continued support of the Petraeus surge in

> > Iraq,
> >> McConnell, the Republican leader, served notice to anyone watching

C-SPAN
> >> that he now runs the Senate.

> >
> > Great! Somebody go run and tell Bush that McConnell is running the
> > Senate,
> > so he should blame McConnell for the fact that Congress hasn't sent the
> > bill
> > to fund the troops and give them a pay raise, instead of trying to blame
> > the
> > Democrats who actually tried to get it past the REPUBLICAN filibuster.

>
> why blame mitch, it was Reid who removed it.


Because it was Mitch and the Republicans that refused to allow it to have
what Bill Frist used to insist everything deserved . . . a "straight
up-or-down vote". I suppose the Republicans in the Senate are really glad
that they never got around to removing the filibuster with the "Nuclear
Option". But when your party uses it to block a particular piece of
legislation, it makes no sense for the President to blame the OTHER party
for the fact that the legislation isn't passed.
 
<lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message news:1185031095.669803.41330@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 20, 6:29 pm, "SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote:
>> Fromwww.hughhewitt.townhall.com

>
>> After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session Tuesday

>
> Wrong.
> Reid doesn't have any relationship with MoveOn.org
>


You might want to reconsider "doesn't have any relationship"

http://pol.moveon.org/boxer_reid/


rw
 
"r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> <lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
> news:1185031095.669803.41330@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 20, 6:29 pm, "SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote:
>>> Fromwww.hughhewitt.townhall.com

>>
>>> After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session
>>> Tuesday

>>
>> Wrong.
>> Reid doesn't have any relationship with MoveOn.org
>>

>
> You might want to reconsider "doesn't have any relationship"
>
> http://pol.moveon.org/boxer_reid/
>
>
> rw


****ing liar.

Asking visitors to email Reid doesn't count as a "relationship."

Perhaps you should bookmark a dictionary or two.



On January 6 Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) joined Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones
(D-OH) and objected to certifying the Ohio Electoral College vote from the
presidential election. This objection brought national attention to this
crisis in our democracy and forced a two hour debate on voting and
elections. New Senate Democratic leader, Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, stood
shoulder-to-shoulder with Sen. Boxer and spoke out against an "insidious
form of [voter] disenfranchisement" that "continues to taint our electoral
system."

Please let them know that you support them by signing our thank you letter
at the link below.



YOUR THANK YOU

TO: Senator Boxer and Senator Reid
FROM: (Your Name and Email)
SUBJECT: Thank You
__________

Dear Senator Boxer and Senator Reid:
Thank you for speaking out about the voting problems in the 2004 election in
Ohio and across America. I will not forget your political courage. A sound
democracy depends on elections that everyone, winners and losers, can agree
were held fairly and honestly. America doesn't have that now, and it's got
to change. The debate we had after the objection to the Ohio vote
certification is just the start. Congress must investigate voting problems
and swiftly implement remedies that protect the right to vote and encourage
confidence in voting.
(Your personal note)
Sincerely,

(your name)
(your address)
 
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message
> news:h6voi.348075$p47.55490@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> <lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
>> news:1185031095.669803.41330@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jul 20, 6:29 pm, "SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> Fromwww.hughhewitt.townhall.com
>>>
>>>> After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session
>>>> Tuesday
>>>
>>> Wrong.
>>> Reid doesn't have any relationship with MoveOn.org
>>>

>>
>> You might want to reconsider "doesn't have any relationship"
>>
>> http://pol.moveon.org/boxer_reid/
>>
>>
>> rw

>
> ****ing liar.
>
> Asking visitors to email Reid doesn't count as a "relationship."
>
> Perhaps you should bookmark a dictionary or two.


The man has done conference calls with liberal blogs including Moveon.org

The whole democratic machine is run by Moveon.org and George Soros.

>
>
>
> On January 6 Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) joined Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones
> (D-OH) and objected to certifying the Ohio Electoral College vote from the
> presidential election. This objection brought national attention to this
> crisis in our democracy and forced a two hour debate on voting and
> elections. New Senate Democratic leader, Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, stood
> shoulder-to-shoulder with Sen. Boxer and spoke out against an "insidious
> form of [voter] disenfranchisement" that "continues to taint our electoral
> system."
>
> Please let them know that you support them by signing our thank you letter
> at the link below.
>
>
>
> YOUR THANK YOU
>
> TO: Senator Boxer and Senator Reid
> FROM: (Your Name and Email)
> SUBJECT: Thank You
> __________
>
> Dear Senator Boxer and Senator Reid:
> Thank you for speaking out about the voting problems in the 2004 election
> in Ohio and across America. I will not forget your political courage. A
> sound democracy depends on elections that everyone, winners and losers,
> can agree were held fairly and honestly. America doesn't have that now,
> and it's got to change. The debate we had after the objection to the Ohio
> vote certification is just the start. Congress must investigate voting
> problems and swiftly implement remedies that protect the right to vote and
> encourage confidence in voting.
> (Your personal note)
> Sincerely,
>
> (your name)
> (your address)
>
 
"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46a282ad$0$16547$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> "r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:h6voi.348075$p47.55490@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>
>>> <lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1185031095.669803.41330@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Jul 20, 6:29 pm, "SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> Fromwww.hughhewitt.townhall.com
>>>>
>>>>> After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session
>>>>> Tuesday
>>>>
>>>> Wrong.
>>>> Reid doesn't have any relationship with MoveOn.org
>>>>
>>>
>>> You might want to reconsider "doesn't have any relationship"
>>>
>>> http://pol.moveon.org/boxer_reid/
>>>
>>>
>>> rw

>>
>> ****ing liar.
>>
>> Asking visitors to email Reid doesn't count as a "relationship."
>>
>> Perhaps you should bookmark a dictionary or two.

>
> The man has done conference calls with liberal blogs including Moveon.org


The ****ing liar didn't include proof of it.


>
> The whole democratic machine is run by Moveon.org and George Soros.


The "democratic machine" is democracy. Democracy includes Republicans and
Democrats and others.


>
>>
>>
>>
>> On January 6 Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) joined Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones
>> (D-OH) and objected to certifying the Ohio Electoral College vote from
>> the presidential election. This objection brought national attention to
>> this crisis in our democracy and forced a two hour debate on voting and
>> elections. New Senate Democratic leader, Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, stood
>> shoulder-to-shoulder with Sen. Boxer and spoke out against an "insidious
>> form of [voter] disenfranchisement" that "continues to taint our
>> electoral system."
>>
>> Please let them know that you support them by signing our thank you
>> letter at the link below.
>>
>>
>>
>> YOUR THANK YOU
>>
>> TO: Senator Boxer and Senator Reid
>> FROM: (Your Name and Email)
>> SUBJECT: Thank You
>> __________
>>
>> Dear Senator Boxer and Senator Reid:
>> Thank you for speaking out about the voting problems in the 2004 election
>> in Ohio and across America. I will not forget your political courage. A
>> sound democracy depends on elections that everyone, winners and losers,
>> can agree were held fairly and honestly. America doesn't have that now,
>> and it's got to change. The debate we had after the objection to the Ohio
>> vote certification is just the start. Congress must investigate voting
>> problems and swiftly implement remedies that protect the right to vote
>> and encourage confidence in voting.
>> (Your personal note)
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> (your name)
>> (your address)
>>

>
 
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:X5yoi.10625$Od7.8160@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:46a282ad$0$16547$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> "r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:h6voi.348075$p47.55490@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>
>>>> <lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1185031095.669803.41330@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:29 pm, "SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Fromwww.hughhewitt.townhall.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session
>>>>>> Tuesday
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>> Reid doesn't have any relationship with MoveOn.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You might want to reconsider "doesn't have any relationship"
>>>>
>>>> http://pol.moveon.org/boxer_reid/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> rw
>>>
>>> ****ing liar.
>>>
>>> Asking visitors to email Reid doesn't count as a "relationship."
>>>
>>> Perhaps you should bookmark a dictionary or two.

>>
>> The man has done conference calls with liberal blogs including Moveon.org

>
> The ****ing liar didn't include proof of it.
>
>
>>
>> The whole democratic machine is run by Moveon.org and George Soros.

>
> The "democratic machine" is democracy. Democracy includes Republicans and
> Democrats and others.


Then let me clarify, the democratic party is run by Moveon.org and George
Soros.

>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On January 6 Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) joined Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones
>>> (D-OH) and objected to certifying the Ohio Electoral College vote from
>>> the presidential election. This objection brought national attention to
>>> this crisis in our democracy and forced a two hour debate on voting and
>>> elections. New Senate Democratic leader, Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada,
>>> stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Sen. Boxer and spoke out against an
>>> "insidious form of [voter] disenfranchisement" that "continues to taint
>>> our electoral system."
>>>
>>> Please let them know that you support them by signing our thank you
>>> letter at the link below.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> YOUR THANK YOU
>>>
>>> TO: Senator Boxer and Senator Reid
>>> FROM: (Your Name and Email)
>>> SUBJECT: Thank You
>>> __________
>>>
>>> Dear Senator Boxer and Senator Reid:
>>> Thank you for speaking out about the voting problems in the 2004
>>> election in Ohio and across America. I will not forget your political
>>> courage. A sound democracy depends on elections that everyone, winners
>>> and losers, can agree were held fairly and honestly. America doesn't
>>> have that now, and it's got to change. The debate we had after the
>>> objection to the Ohio vote certification is just the start. Congress
>>> must investigate voting problems and swiftly implement remedies that
>>> protect the right to vote and encourage confidence in voting.
>>> (Your personal note)
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> (your name)
>>> (your address)
>>>

>>

>
>
 
"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46a2ef6d$0$32613$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> "SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:X5yoi.10625$Od7.8160@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:46a282ad$0$16547$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> "r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:h6voi.348075$p47.55490@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> <lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1185031095.669803.41330@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:29 pm, "SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Fromwww.hughhewitt.townhall.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session
>>>>>>> Tuesday
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>> Reid doesn't have any relationship with MoveOn.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You might want to reconsider "doesn't have any relationship"
>>>>>
>>>>> http://pol.moveon.org/boxer_reid/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> rw
>>>>
>>>> ****ing liar.
>>>>
>>>> Asking visitors to email Reid doesn't count as a "relationship."
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you should bookmark a dictionary or two.
>>>
>>> The man has done conference calls with liberal blogs including
>>> Moveon.org

>>
>> The ****ing liar didn't include proof of it.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The whole democratic machine is run by Moveon.org and George Soros.

>>
>> The "democratic machine" is democracy. Democracy includes Republicans and
>> Democrats and others.

>
> Then let me clarify, the democratic party is run by Moveon.org and George
> Soros.


Thanks for sharing your feelings.

You must also feel that the Republican party is run by Rupert Murdoch and
Fox news.


>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On January 6 Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) joined Rep. Stephanie Tubbs
>>>> Jones (D-OH) and objected to certifying the Ohio Electoral College vote
>>>> from the presidential election. This objection brought national
>>>> attention to this crisis in our democracy and forced a two hour debate
>>>> on voting and elections. New Senate Democratic leader, Sen. Harry Reid
>>>> of Nevada, stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Sen. Boxer and spoke out
>>>> against an "insidious form of [voter] disenfranchisement" that
>>>> "continues to taint our electoral system."
>>>>
>>>> Please let them know that you support them by signing our thank you
>>>> letter at the link below.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> YOUR THANK YOU
>>>>
>>>> TO: Senator Boxer and Senator Reid
>>>> FROM: (Your Name and Email)
>>>> SUBJECT: Thank You
>>>> __________
>>>>
>>>> Dear Senator Boxer and Senator Reid:
>>>> Thank you for speaking out about the voting problems in the 2004
>>>> election in Ohio and across America. I will not forget your political
>>>> courage. A sound democracy depends on elections that everyone, winners
>>>> and losers, can agree were held fairly and honestly. America doesn't
>>>> have that now, and it's got to change. The debate we had after the
>>>> objection to the Ohio vote certification is just the start. Congress
>>>> must investigate voting problems and swiftly implement remedies that
>>>> protect the right to vote and encourage confidence in voting.
>>>> (Your personal note)
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> (your name)
>>>> (your address)
>>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
 
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46a282ad$0$16547$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message news:h6voi.348075$p47.55490@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> <lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message news:1185031095.669803.41330@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jul 20, 6:29 pm, "SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>> Fromwww.hughhewitt.townhall.com
>>>
>>>> After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session Tuesday
>>>
>>> Wrong.
>>> Reid doesn't have any relationship with MoveOn.org
>>>

>>
>> You might want to reconsider "doesn't have any relationship"
>>
>> http://pol.moveon.org/boxer_reid/
>>
>>
>> rw

>
> ****ing liar.
>
> Asking visitors to email Reid doesn't count as a "relationship."
>
> Perhaps you should bookmark a dictionary or two.
>
>
>
> On January 6 Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) joined Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-OH) and objected to certifying the Ohio Electoral
> College vote from the presidential election. This objection brought national attention to this crisis in our democracy and forced
> a two hour debate on voting and elections. New Senate Democratic leader, Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, stood shoulder-to-shoulder
> with Sen. Boxer and spoke out against an "insidious form of [voter] disenfranchisement" that "continues to taint our electoral
> system."
>
> Please let them know that you support them by signing our thank you letter at the link below.
>
>
>
> YOUR THANK YOU
>
> TO: Senator Boxer and Senator Reid
> FROM: (Your Name and Email)
> SUBJECT: Thank You
> __________
>
> Dear Senator Boxer and Senator Reid:
> Thank you for speaking out about the voting problems in the 2004 election in Ohio and across America. I will not forget your
> political courage. A sound democracy depends on elections that everyone, winners and losers, can agree were held fairly and
> honestly. America doesn't have that now, and it's got to change. The debate we had after the objection to the Ohio vote
> certification is just the start. Congress must investigate voting problems and swiftly implement remedies that protect the right
> to vote and encourage confidence in voting.
> (Your personal note)
> Sincerely,
>
> (your name)
> (your address)
>


Which moveon.org did to build Boxer & Reid's direct mail lists. It's the same
tactic televangelists use when they offer an absolutely "free" item if you provide
your personal info.

rw
 
"r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46a282ad$0$16547$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> "r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:h6voi.348075$p47.55490@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>
>>> <lorad474@cs.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1185031095.669803.41330@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Jul 20, 6:29 pm, "SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> Fromwww.hughhewitt.townhall.com
>>>>
>>>>> After Democratic leader Harry Reid's MoveOn.org all-night session
>>>>> Tuesday
>>>>
>>>> Wrong.
>>>> Reid doesn't have any relationship with MoveOn.org
>>>>
>>>
>>> You might want to reconsider "doesn't have any relationship"
>>>
>>> http://pol.moveon.org/boxer_reid/
>>>
>>>
>>> rw

>>
>> ****ing liar.
>>
>> Asking visitors to email Reid doesn't count as a "relationship."
>>
>> Perhaps you should bookmark a dictionary or two.
>>
>>
>>
>> On January 6 Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) joined Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones
>> (D-OH) and objected to certifying the Ohio Electoral College vote from
>> the presidential election. This objection brought national attention to
>> this crisis in our democracy and forced a two hour debate on voting and
>> elections. New Senate Democratic leader, Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada, stood
>> shoulder-to-shoulder with Sen. Boxer and spoke out against an "insidious
>> form of [voter] disenfranchisement" that "continues to taint our
>> electoral system."
>>
>> Please let them know that you support them by signing our thank you
>> letter at the link below.
>>
>>
>>
>> YOUR THANK YOU
>>
>> TO: Senator Boxer and Senator Reid
>> FROM: (Your Name and Email)
>> SUBJECT: Thank You
>> __________
>>
>> Dear Senator Boxer and Senator Reid:
>> Thank you for speaking out about the voting problems in the 2004 election
>> in Ohio and across America. I will not forget your political courage. A
>> sound democracy depends on elections that everyone, winners and losers,
>> can agree were held fairly and honestly. America doesn't have that now,
>> and it's got to change. The debate we had after the objection to the Ohio
>> vote certification is just the start. Congress must investigate voting
>> problems and swiftly implement remedies that protect the right to vote
>> and encourage confidence in voting.
>> (Your personal note)
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> (your name)
>> (your address)
>>

>
> Which moveon.org did to build Boxer & Reid's direct mail lists. It's the
> same
> tactic televangelists use when they offer an absolutely "free" item if you
> provide
> your personal info.


Not a "relationship."
 
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46a3adb9$0$31259$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message


>>> (Your personal note)
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> (your name)
>>> (your address)
>>>

>>
>> Which moveon.org did to build Boxer & Reid's direct mail lists. It's the same
>> tactic televangelists use when they offer an absolutely "free" item if you provide
>>your personal info.

>
> Not a "relationship."
>


I see. MoveOn.org supports Reid's campaigns. Reid promotes MoveOn.org's
agenda. That doesn't fit your definition of a relationship. It's the old "it depends
on your definition of" trick.

rw
 
"r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46a3adb9$0$31259$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> "r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message

>
>>>> (Your personal note)
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> (your name)
>>>> (your address)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which moveon.org did to build Boxer & Reid's direct mail lists. It's
>>> the same
>>> tactic televangelists use when they offer an absolutely "free" item if
>>> you provide
>>>your personal info.

>>
>> Not a "relationship."
>>

>
> I see. MoveOn.org supports Reid's campaigns. Reid promotes MoveOn.org's
> agenda. That doesn't fit your definition of a relationship. It's the old
> "it depends
> on your definition of" trick.
>
> rw


Like I always say, you can't have it both ways unless you are a liberal,
then you can have it any way you want, truth be damned.

>
>
 
"r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46a3adb9$0$31259$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> "r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message

>
>>>> (Your personal note)
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> (your name)
>>>> (your address)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which moveon.org did to build Boxer & Reid's direct mail lists. It's
>>> the same
>>> tactic televangelists use when they offer an absolutely "free" item if
>>> you provide
>>>your personal info.

>>
>> Not a "relationship."
>>

>
> I see. MoveOn.org supports Reid's campaigns. Reid promotes MoveOn.org's
> agenda. That doesn't fit your definition of a relationship. It's the old
> "it depends
> on your definition of" trick.


If I give a blanket to a homeless shelter and they give it to a homeless
man, explain the "relationship" between me and him.
 
"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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>
> "r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message
> news:ltRoi.6530$iX3.5390@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:46a3adb9$0$31259$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> "r wiley" <rawiley@att.net> wrote in message

>>
>>>>> (Your personal note)
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> (your name)
>>>>> (your address)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which moveon.org did to build Boxer & Reid's direct mail lists. It's
>>>> the same
>>>> tactic televangelists use when they offer an absolutely "free" item if
>>>> you provide
>>>>your personal info.
>>>
>>> Not a "relationship."
>>>

>>
>> I see. MoveOn.org supports Reid's campaigns. Reid promotes
>> MoveOn.org's
>> agenda. That doesn't fit your definition of a relationship. It's the
>> old "it depends
>> on your definition of" trick.
>>
>> rw

>
> Like I always say, you can't have it both ways unless you are a liberal,
> then you can have it any way you want, truth be damned.


Just because you can't figure things out doesn't mean I don't speak the
truth.
 
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