The Failure of "Intelligent Design"

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Clay

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By Dinesh D'Souza
Monday, April 7, 2008

As a Christian, I believe that the universe and its living creatures
are the products of intelligent design. This belief is not merely
derived from theology but is also supported by rational
considerations. There is enormous intelligence embedded in the laws of
nature. The greatest scientists over the past few centuries have
worked to decode the intelligence mysteriously imprinted in the
workings of nature. Scientific laws, as spelled out by Kepler, Newton,
Einstein and others, reveal nature as exquisitely orderly. So who
encoded this intelligence in nature?

Since the universe had a beginning, how did it get here? There is no
natural explanation, since the universe includes all of nature. It is
more than absurd to posit that the universe caused itself. The most
reasonable explanation is that our rational universe is the product of
some super-rational or omniscient intelligence. An intelligent
designer is not the only explanation, but it certainly is the best
explanation.

How the creator went about His business of making the universe and its
life forms is another question, and this is a question for science to
answer to the degree that it can be answered. Darwin's theory of
evolution posits that chance, mutation and natural selection largely
account for the transitions between one life form and another. Man, as
an animal, is also the product of evolution, having descended from the
same evolutionary "tree" that produced gorillas and chimpanzees.

Did God order things this way? Certainly if you read the Bible you
would never predict Darwin's theory of evolution. But neither from the
Scriptural accounts could one predict that the earth goes around the
sun. The Bible is not and does not purport to be a science textbook.
It takes no position, for example, on the heliocentric theory.
Unfortunately, in past centuries, many Christians interpreted a few
casual references to the sun "rising" to mean that the earth must be
stationary and the sun must revolve around the earth. These
interpretations were hasty, to say the least: the Bible is describing
sunrise from a human or experiential perspective. Still, these
narrow-minded Christians opposed Copernicus and Galileo until they
were forced to admit that they were wrong. It wasn't the Bible that
was mistaken; it was the foolish certainty of its interpreters that
was exposed and discredited.

Today some Christians may be heading down the same path with their
embrace of "intelligent design" or ID. This movement is based on the
idea that Darwinian evolution is not only flawed but basically
fraudulent. ID should not, however, be confused with bible-thumping
six-day creationism. It does not regard the earth as 6,000 years old.
Its leading advocates are legal scholar Phillip Johnson, biochemist
Michael Behe, mathematician David Berlinski, and science journalist
Jonathan Wells. Berlinski has a new book out The Devil's Advocate that
makes the remarkable claim that "Darwin's theory of evolution has
little to contribute to the content of the sciences." Ben Stein's
movie "Expelled" provides horror stories to show that the case for ID
as well as critiques of evolution from an ID perspective are routinely
excluded or censored in the halls of academe.

ID advocates have sought to convince courts to require that their work
be taught alongside Darwinian evolution, yet such efforts have been
resoundingly defeated. Why has the ID legal strategy proven to be such
a failure, even at the hands of conservative judges? Imagine that a
group of advocates challenged Einstein's theories of general and
special relativity. Let's say that this group, made up of a law
professor, a couple of physicists, several journalists, as well as
some divinity school graduates, flatly denies Einstein's proposition
that e=mc2.

How would a judge, who is not a physicist, resolve the group's demand
for inclusion in the physics classroom? He would summon a wide
cross-section of leading physicists. They would inform him that
despite unresolved debates about relativity--for example, its
unexplained relationship to quantum theory--Einstein's theories are
supported by a wide body of data. They enjoy near-unanimous support in
the physics community worldwide. There is no alternative scientific
theory that comes close to explaining the facts at hand. In such a
situation any judge would promptly show the dissenters the door and
deny their demand for equal time in the classroom. This is precisely
the predicament of the ID movement.

The problem with evolution is not that it is unscientific but that it
is routinely taught in textbooks and in the classroom in an atheist
way. Textbooks frequently go beyond the scientific evidence to make
metaphysical claims about how evolution renders the idea of a Creator
superfluous. my book What's So Great About Christianity provides
several examples of this.

Most Christians don't care whether the eye evolved by natural
selection or whether Darwin's theories can account for macroevolution
or only microevolution. What they care about is that evolution is
being used to deny God as the creator. For those who are concerned
about this atheism masquerading as science, there is a better way.
Instead of trying to get unscientific ID theories included in the
classroom, a better strategy would be to get the unscientific atheist
propaganda out.

===============

Bestselling author Dinesh D'Souza's new book What's So Great About
Christianity has just been released. His book The Enemy at Home will
be published in paperback in February.

-----------

-C-
 
Clay <clayonline@lycos.com> allegedly said in
news:8lujv3tmbile5dl8mlulub1ddf4rr454j5@4ax.com:

>
> By Dinesh D'Souza <=== aka "Distort D'Newza"
> Monday, April 7, 2008
>
> As a Christian, I believe that the universe and its living creatures
> are the products of intelligent design.


WTF?

ANOTHER drooling whack-job...

In early 2007, D'Souza published The Enemy at Home: The Cultural Left and
its Responsibility for 9/11, in which he argues that the American left was
in large part responsible for the Muslim anger that led to the September
11, 2001 attacks.

The book was criticized in major American newspapers and magazines and
called, among other things, "the worst nonfiction book about terrorism
published by a major house since 9/11" and "a national disgrace."

D'Souza's book caused a controversy in the conservative movement, invoking
a barrage of attacks back and forth between D'Souza and his conservative
critics who widely mocked the thesis of his book, that the cultural left
was responsible for 9/11. In response to his critics, he posted a 6,500-
word essay on National Review Online, and NRO subsequently published a
litany of responses from conservative authors who accused D'Souza of
character assassination, elitism and pseudointellectualism.

hmmmm.. "character assassination", "elitism", "pseudointellectualism" or ,
to sum it all up, a lying little snot-rag.


FFS - get a GRIP ClayDOH !!!


--
AW

<small but dangerous>
 
In article <Xns9A794DB19B7E7fubar@63.218.45.254>,
Amanda Williams <pms@fu.com> wrote:


> [I'm] ANOTHER drooling whack-job...




You certainly are.
 
On Apr 7, 6:44 am, Clay <clayonl...@lycos.com> wrote:
> By Dinesh D'Souza
> Monday, April 7, 2008
>
> As a Christian, I believe that the universe and its living creatures
> are the products of intelligent design.


OK, so your a moron and a christian. Jesus never said that you have
to be smart.

Look, doofus, evolution is as true as gravity. Wanna "believe" in
something, then believe away. Want to get the right answer? You have
to start with the facts and the facts support gravity and evolution.
 
On Apr 7, 4:44 am, Clay <clayonl...@lycos.com> wrote:
> By Dinesh D'Souza
> Monday, April 7, 2008
>
> As a Christian, I believe that the universe and its living creatures
> are the products of intelligent design.


What he believes is of little consequence, because he believes it
based on his religion. In scientific matters, religion has no weight.
Things are as they are, and no amount of faith will change that.

Namaste,
Sri Bodi Prana
 
"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c4117eae-cd72-4364-8715-659c2cf3407d@m71g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 7, 5:44 am, Clay <clayonl...@lycos.com> wrote:
> By Dinesh D'Souza
> Monday, April 7, 2008
>


Clay, your existence in this universe is a strong argument against
Intelligent Design.
==================

SNICKER
 
On Apr 7, 8:04 am, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 6:44 am, Clay <clayonl...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > By Dinesh D'Souza
> > Monday, April 7, 2008

>
> > As a Christian, I believe that the universe and its living creatures
> > are the products of intelligent design.

>
> OK, so your a moron


It's "you're". "You're" is a contraction of "you" and "are".
 
On Apr 7, 1:50 pm, neoconis_ignoramus <bellamac...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 12:38 pm, Osiris88 <inde...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 7, 8:04 am, Kevin Cunningham <sms...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
> > > On Apr 7, 6:44 am, Clay <clayonl...@lycos.com> wrote:

>
> > > > By Dinesh D'Souza
> > > > Monday, April 7, 2008

>
> > > > As a Christian, I believe that the universe and its living creatures
> > > > are the products of intelligent design.

>
> > > OK, so your a moron

>
> > It's "you're". "You're" is a contraction of "you" and "are".

>
> As in "YOU'RE a blithering idiot for correcting usenet postings"? Or
> as in "go see someone about YOUR apparent Obsessive-Compusive
> disorder"?


Nah, nothing like that. The guy said "your a moron" which is ironic.
I understand typos; this was not a typo.
 
On Apr 7, 6:44 am, Clay <clayonl...@lycos.com> wrote:
> By Dinesh D'Souza
> Monday, April 7, 2008
>
> As a Christian, I believe that the universe and its living creatures
> are the products of intelligent design. This belief is not merely
> derived from theology but is also supported by rational
> considerations. There is enormous intelligence embedded in the laws of
> nature. The greatest scientists over the past few centuries have
> worked to decode the intelligence mysteriously imprinted in the
> workings of nature. Scientific laws, as spelled out by Kepler, Newton,
> Einstein and others, reveal nature as exquisitely orderly. So who
> encoded this intelligence in nature?
>
> Since the universe had a beginning, how did it get here? There is no
> natural explanation, since the universe includes all of nature. It is
> more than absurd to posit that the universe caused itself. The most
> reasonable explanation is that our rational universe is the product of
> some super-rational or omniscient intelligence. An intelligent
> designer is not the only explanation, but it certainly is the best
> explanation.
>
> How the creator went about His business of making the universe and its
> life forms is another question, and this is a question for science to
> answer to the degree that it can be answered. Darwin's theory of
> evolution posits that chance, mutation and natural selection largely
> account for the transitions between one life form and another. Man, as
> an animal, is also the product of evolution, having descended from the
> same evolutionary "tree" that produced gorillas and chimpanzees.
>
> Did God order things this way? Certainly if you read the Bible you
> would never predict Darwin's theory of evolution. But neither from the
> Scriptural accounts could one predict that the earth goes around the
> sun. The Bible is not and does not purport to be a science textbook.
> It takes no position, for example, on the heliocentric theory.
> Unfortunately, in past centuries, many Christians interpreted a few
> casual references to the sun "rising" to mean that the earth must be
> stationary and the sun must revolve around the earth. These
> interpretations were hasty, to say the least: the Bible is describing
> sunrise from a human or experiential perspective. Still, these
> narrow-minded Christians opposed Copernicus and Galileo until they
> were forced to admit that they were wrong. It wasn't the Bible that
> was mistaken; it was the foolish certainty of its interpreters that
> was exposed and discredited.
>
> Today some Christians may be heading down the same path with their
> embrace of "intelligent design" or ID. This movement is based on the
> idea that Darwinian evolution is not only flawed but basically
> fraudulent. ID should not, however, be confused with bible-thumping
> six-day creationism. It does not regard the earth as 6,000 years old.
> Its leading advocates are legal scholar Phillip Johnson, biochemist
> Michael Behe, mathematician David Berlinski, and science journalist
> Jonathan Wells. Berlinski has a new book out The Devil's Advocate that
> makes the remarkable claim that "Darwin's theory of evolution has
> little to contribute to the content of the sciences." Ben Stein's
> movie "Expelled" provides horror stories to show that the case for ID
> as well as critiques of evolution from an ID perspective are routinely
> excluded or censored in the halls of academe.
>
> ID advocates have sought to convince courts to require that their work
> be taught alongside Darwinian evolution, yet such efforts have been
> resoundingly defeated. Why has the ID legal strategy proven to be such
> a failure, even at the hands of conservative judges? Imagine that a
> group of advocates challenged Einstein's theories of general and
> special relativity. Let's say that this group, made up of a law
> professor, a couple of physicists, several journalists, as well as
> some divinity school graduates, flatly denies Einstein's proposition
> that e=mc2.
>
> How would a judge, who is not a physicist, resolve the group's demand
> for inclusion in the physics classroom? He would summon a wide
> cross-section of leading physicists. They would inform him that
> despite unresolved debates about relativity--for example, its
> unexplained relationship to quantum theory--Einstein's theories are
> supported by a wide body of data. They enjoy near-unanimous support in
> the physics community worldwide. There is no alternative scientific
> theory that comes close to explaining the facts at hand. In such a
> situation any judge would promptly show the dissenters the door and
> deny their demand for equal time in the classroom. This is precisely
> the predicament of the ID movement.
>
> The problem with evolution is not that it is unscientific but that it
> is routinely taught in textbooks and in the classroom in an atheist
> way. Textbooks frequently go beyond the scientific evidence to make
> metaphysical claims about how evolution renders the idea of a Creator
> superfluous. my book What's So Great About Christianity provides
> several examples of this.
>
> Most Christians don't care whether the eye evolved by natural
> selection or whether Darwin's theories can account for macroevolution
> or only microevolution. What they care about is that evolution is
> being used to deny God as the creator. For those who are concerned
> about this atheism masquerading as science, there is a better way.
> Instead of trying to get unscientific ID theories included in the
> classroom, a better strategy would be to get the unscientific atheist
> propaganda out.
>
> ===============
>
> Bestselling author Dinesh D'Souza's new book What's So Great About
> Christianity has just been released. His book The Enemy at Home will
> be published in paperback in February.
>
> -----------
>
> -C-


From the article:

"Textbooks frequently go beyond the scientific evidence to make
metaphysical claims about how evolution renders the idea of a Creator
superfluous."

Why shouldn't they? That's exactly what it does. Science shows that
the universe runs just fine without any intervention by any supreme
being.

I'm not an atheist.

It's possible that there is a "God" that set the universe in motion.

But, if there is, there is absolutely no way for us to discern
anything about such a being.

Gods work, if it is indeed God's work, isn't evident in anything
science has ever studied.

Unless one believes the fables of ancient desert dwellers, there is no
way for us to lean any thing about this God, or what God wants.

God isn't just superfluous. God's irrelevant.
 
On Apr 7, 7:12 pm, SilentOtto <silento...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> From the article:
>
> "Textbooks frequently go beyond the scientific evidence to make
> metaphysical claims about how evolution renders the idea of a Creator
> superfluous."
>
> Why shouldn't they? That's exactly what it does. Science shows that
> the universe runs just fine without any intervention by any supreme
> being.
>
> I'm not an atheist.
>
> It's possible that there is a "God" that set the universe in motion.
>
> But, if there is, there is absolutely no way for us to discern
> anything about such a being.
>
> Gods work, if it is indeed God's work, isn't evident in anything
> science has ever studied.


That's not right. - Someone tells you, "This engine here, it was put
together by Joe." Being skeptical, you check and find Joe's
fingerprints are indeed on many parts. Actually Joe had merely tuned
up the engine. Bill put the engine together. But he wore gloves.
What you said just before is closer to the truth, "there is absolutely
no way for us to discern anything about such a being."

If you walk into an entirely different dimension... you bring your
biases and predispositions with you. A theist would likely assume God
created it, an atheist chance. If a while later you came across
something leading you to believe your understanding may be mistaken,
then you'd have the opportunity not only to exist within a new
dimension but to wonder at your place in it, your reason for being.

Of course you don't have to enter a new dimension to see that
rationalistic understanding, being limited, doesn't create a closed
system in which anything that is 'unrational' must become just a
synonym for stupid or unworkable.

> Unless one believes the fables of ancient desert dwellers, there is no
> way for us to lean any thing about this God, or what God wants.


I see you take a gnostic view here, as in, to quote Genesis, "God gave
up this world, its people, long ago." (Genesis - Vision of Angels
section)

> God isn't just superfluous. God's irrelevant.
 
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