The Near Death Experience of Ella Jensen

True Science of Theology Encompasses Near Death Experience Which so

Confounds the Modern Humanist Conjecturer and Show Evolution to be False,

Alone, for Where did the Spirit Come From? Did it "Evolve" Also? No! and I

say again, No! It was fathered by the Father of Spirits:

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in

your philosophy." -Hamlet, Act I, Scene V.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we

gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the

Father of spirits, and live?

(New Testament | Hebrews 12:9)

If Abraham reasoned thus-If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John

discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose

that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And

where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree

or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes

in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that

which is heavenly, Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He

had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a

doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the

Prophet Joseph Smith, selected and arranged by Joseph Fielding Smith, p.373)

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be]

glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

(Rev 1:6)

The Following is the near death experience of Ella Jensen, (around, 1890),

who died in Brigham City, Utah, at the Age of 17, and for a brief time was

in the presence of relatives, the unborn, and the prophets of Israel.

Raised From the Dead

The legal administrators which are ordained Priests after the Order of

Melchizedec, are the only ones competent to unfold the true history and

meaning of life upon this world. They alone hold the keys of the knowledge

of the science of theology, which science is a complete body of knowledge

regarding the physical and spiritual worlds, which are governed by laws and

principles and ordinances, the physical based upon the laws of physics and

mathematics which are immutable and unchanging, and the spiritual, laws and

principles which are equally immutable and eternal.

D&C 76:56

56 They are they who are priests and kings, who have received of his

fulness, and of his glory;

D&C 76:57

57 And are priests of the Most High, after the order of Melchizedek, which

was after the order of Enoch, which was after the order of the Only Begotten

Son.

And without this Priesthood, men are in the dark regarding their existence.

As evidence, I present the following testimony of one Ella Jensen, who died

of scarlet fever in 1891 and whose story was published in 1929, who was

subsequently reanimated and explained what she saw while dead. This of

course was written long before this phenomenom has been popularized by

Elizabeth Kubler Ross who published "On Death and Dying" in 1969.

"Raised from the Dead" (Condensed from Sept.-Oct., 1929, issues of The

Improvement Era, 32:883; also Y.W. Journal 4:164. Compare with Life of

Lorenzo Snow, p. 406.)

This story, true in every particular, shows the fulfillment of a prophecy

made upon the head of Lorenzo Snow when he received a patriarchal blessing

under the hands of the Prophet's father, Joseph Smith, Senior. It was given

in the Kirtland Temple, and among other things were these promises: "Thou

shalt become a mighty man. Thy faith shall increase and grow stronger until

it shall become like Peter's. Thou shalt restore the sick; the diseased

shall send to thee their aprons and handkerchiefs, and by thy touch their

owners shall be made whole. The dead shall arise and come forth at thy

bidding." It was March 3, 1891, and for several long weeks Ella Jensen, a

young girl of 19 at Brigham City, Utah, had lingered, almost between life

and death, with Scarlet Fever. Leah Rees, her girlfriend, was serving her as

night nurse, and it was about three or four o'clock in the morning, when, as

Leah reports it, "I was suddenly awakened by Ella calling me to get the

comb, brush and scissors. She explained that she wanted to brush her hair

and trim her finger nails, and get all ready, `For,' said she, `they are

coming to get me at ten o'clock this morning.' "I asked who was coming to

get her." "`Uncle Hans Jensen and the messengers,' she replied. `I am going

to die and they are coming at ten o'clock to get me and take me away.'" "I

tried to quiet her, saying that she would feel better in the morning if she

would try to sleep." "`No,' she said, `I am not going to sleep any more, but

I am going to spend all the time getting ready.'" "She insisted that I get

the comb, hairbrush and scissors, which I did, but she was so weak that she

could not use them. As I was brushing her hair, she asked me to call her

parents. I explained that they were tired and asleep and that it would be

better not to disturb them." "`Yes,' insisted Ella, `you must call them. I

want to tell them now.'" "The parents were called, and as they entered the

room, the daughter told them that her Uncle Hans, who was dead, had suddenly

appeared in the room, while she was awake with her eyes open, and had told

her that messengers would be there at ten o'clock to conduct her into the

spirit world. The father and mother feared that the girl was delirious and

tried to get her to be quiet and go to sleep. She knew their thoughts and

said, `I know what I am talking about. No, I am not going to sleep anymore.

I know I am going to die, and that they are coming to get me.'" Ella,

realizing the end was very near, summoned each one of her family to kiss and

bid them goodbye. She called each one by name as they came to the bedside.

But her brother Budd was out and had not returned. As it drew toward ten

o'clock, she felt she could not go until she had seen him. She was gasping

for breath and exerting all her strength to hold on until Budd got back.

Grandma Jensen arrived, and just as Ella had embraced and kissed her, Budd

came in with Mrs. Nelson. Ella threw her arms around her brother's neck,

kissed him, and then fell back on her pillow--dead. It was just ten o'clock.

Ella's father left at once to report to President Snow and consult him

regarding arrangements for the funeral. Sister Nelson washed and laid Ella

out, dressed her in clean linen, and Budd took the doctor back home, who had

been called in this emergency. Meanwhile, news of her death spread about. It

was towards noon when Jacob Jensen, Ella's father, reported to President

Snow at the tabernacle service, because it was more than a mile to town and

he had to hitch up the horse to drive there. They returned together with

Rudger Clawson, who was then the President of the Box Elder Stake. After

standing at Ella's bedside for a minute or two, President Snow asked if

there were any consecrated oil in the house. All were greatly surprised, but

the oil was secured for him. He handed the bottle of oil to Brother Clawson

and asked him to anoint Ella, after which Brother Snow confirmed the

anointing. Particularly impressive among others, were these words that he

used, "Dear Ella, I command you, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, to

come back and live. Your mission is not ended." His voice was very

commanding, "Come back, Ella, come back! Your work upon the earth is not yet

completed. Come back! You shall yet live to perform a great mission." Ella

remained in her dead condition for more than an hour after President Snow

administered to her, or more than three hours in all after she had died. Her

mother and father were sitting there watching by the bedside, when all at

once she opened her eyes, looked about the room, and saw them sitting there.

But she still looked for someone else, and the first thing she said was,

"Where is he? Where is he?" "Where is who?" "Why, Brother Snow," she

replied. "He called me back." They explained to her that Brother Snow and

Brother Clawson were very busy and could not remain, and that they had gone.

Ella then dropped her head back on her pillow, saying, "Why did he call me

back? I was so happy and did not want to come back." Then Ella Jensen began

to relate her marvelous experiences; marvelous both as to the incidents

themselves, and as to the great number of them that occurred in the short

space of time between three and four hours. And furthermore, the very nature

of these incidents prove that she was telling nothing but the truth. "At ten

o'clock my spirit left my body," related Ella. "It took me sometime to make

up my mind to go, as I could hear and see the folks crying and mourning over

me. It was very hard to me to leave them, but as soon as I had a glimpse of

the other world, I was anxious to go, and all the care and worry left me. "I

entered a large hall. It was so long that I could not see the end of it. It

was filled with people. As I was conducted through the throng, the first

person I recognized was my Grandpa H. P. Jensen, who was sitting in one end

of the room writing. He looked up and seemed surprised to see me. He said,

"Why! There is my granddaughter, Ella!" "He was very much pleased, greeted

me and, as he continued with his writing, I passed on through the room and

met a great many of my relatives and friends. It was like going along the

crowded street of a large city where you meet many people, only a very few

of whom you recognize. "The next one I knew was Uncle Hans Jensen with his

wife, Mary Ellen. They had two small children with them. On inquiring who

they were, he told me one was his own and the other was Uncle Will's little

girl. "Some seemed to be in family groups. As there were only a few whom I

could recognize and who knew me, I kept moving on. Some inquired about their

friends and relatives on the earth. Among the number was my cousin. He asked

me how the folks were getting along and said it grieved him to hear that

some of the boys were using tobacco, liquor, and many things that were

injurious to them. "This proved to me that the people in the other world

know to a great extent what happens here on the earth. "The people were all

dressed in white or cream, excepting Uncle Hans Jensen, who (for this

occasion) had on his dark clothes and long rubber boots--the things he wore

when he was drowned in the Snake River in Idaho. "Everybody appeared to be

perfectly happy. I was having a very pleasant visit with each one that I

knew. Finally, I reached the end of that long room. I opened a door and went

into another room filled with children. They were all arranged in perfect

order, the largest ones in the back rows all around the room. They seemed to

be convened in a sort of Primary or Sunday School, which was presided over

by Aunt Eliza R. Snow. There were hundreds of small children there." "It

was," continued Ella, "while I was standing listening to the children

singing, `Gladly Meeting, Kindly Greeting,' that I heard President Lorenzo

Snow call me. He said, `Sister Ella, you must come back, as your mission is

not yet finished here on earth.' So I just spoke to Aunt Eliza R. Snow and

told her that I must go back. "Returning through the large room, I told the

people I was going back to the earth, but they seemed to want me to stay

with them. I obeyed the call, although it was very much against my desire,

as such perfect peace and happiness prevailed there--no suffering and no

sorrow. I was so taken up with all I saw and heard that I did hate very much

to leave that beautiful place. [120] "This has always been a source of

comfort to me. I learned by this experience that we should not grieve too

much for our departed loved ones, and especially at the time they leave us.

I think we should be just as calm and quiet as possible, because, as I was

leaving my mortal life, the only regret I had was that the folks were

grieving so much for me. But I soon forgot all about this world in my

delight with the other. "For more than three hours my spirit was gone from

my body. As I returned, I could see my body lying on the bed and the folks

gathered about in the room. I wanted to stay only a short time on earth to

comfort them." Ella frequently told of the terrible suffering that she

experienced when the spirit again entered the body. There was practically no

pain on leaving the body in death, but the intense pain was almost

unbearable in coming back to life. Not only this, but for months, and even

years afterward, she experienced new aches and pains and physical disorders

that she had never known before. Some of the people Ella described as having

met in this spirit sojourn were her aunts and second cousins, long since

dead and laid away before she was born. She told her Aunt Harriet Wight, who

had lost two daughters, not to mourn them, for she had seen them and had

talked with them, and they were very happy in their new sphere of existence.

Many relatives and others visited Ella, and she told them the same story--of

how she had met their relatives and friends over there, how happy they were,

and that they had asked about their loved ones here. When Leah Rees, her

night nurse, came to stay with Ella the next night, she told her about

having seen her (Leah's) father and several others of her people who had

passed away, as well as her own Grandpa Jensen--all of whom appeared very

happy. One person Ella was puzzled about seeing in the spirit world was

little Alphie, the son of Alphonzo H. Snow. He had been in her Sunday School

class in the First Ward, and she did not know that he had just died. When

she told her mother, she said, "Yes, Ella, little Alphie is dead, too. He

died early this morning while you were so very sick. We knew you loved him

and that it would be a shock to you, so we did not tell you about his

death." But, nevertheless, she had recognized the little fellow happily

singing among the children under the direction of Eliza R. Snow. It was

while sitting there listening to those children that she heard a voice

coming to her in commanding tones, apparently from a long distance, which

said, "Come back, Ella, come back! Your work on earth is not yet completed."

And, although she had no desire to come back, but on the contrary, felt

determined to remain in that beautiful world, the voice was so authoritative

in manner that it seemed to draw, yes, actually draw her spirit out of that

room and back to her body. She felt compelled to follow it and return to

earth, where she filled to the fullness, her life's mission on earth,

becoming a mother in Israel, and doing much for the glory of God and her own

exaltation in the service of the Lord. She is now known as Mrs. Henry Wight

of Brigham City, Utah.

Questions and Comments

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:35:00 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>

wrote:

>True Science of Theology Encompasses Near Death Experience Which so

>Confounds the Modern Humanist Conjecturer and Show Evolution to be False,

>Alone, for Where did the Spirit Come From? Did it "Evolve" Also? No! and I

>say again, No! It was fathered by the Father of Spirits:

You're a bloody loon.

--

"O Sybilli, si ergo

Fortibus es in ero

O Nobili! Themis trux

Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"

I was working in the lab, late one night, when Art Bulla <art@artbulla.com>

wrote:

> True Science of Theology Encompasses Near Death Experience

For which there isn't even any anecdotal evidence.

raven1 wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:35:00 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>

> wrote:

>

>> True Science of Theology Encompasses Near Death Experience Which so

>> Confounds the Modern Humanist Conjecturer and Show Evolution to be

>> False, Alone, for Where did the Spirit Come From? Did it "Evolve"

>> Also? No! and I say again, No! It was fathered by the Father of

>> Spirits:

>

> You're a bloody loon.

He's off his chum!

Art Bulla wrote:

> True Science of Theology

That's it! The Contradiction-Of-Terms-For-The-Day.

You win the home version of "I'm A Christian Fuckhead"! Have fun, Art

Bullshit.

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:35:00 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:

> True Science

<SNORK>

Yeah. Riiiight...

--

Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423

EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion

------------------------------------------------------------

"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"

On Jun 11, 4:35 pm, "Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:

> True Science of Theology

Is an oxymoron.

> Encompasses Near Death Experience Which so

> Confounds the Modern Humanist Conjecturer and Show Evolution to be False,

NDE's have been studied by science and can be re-created by doctors

and researchers at will:

http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=9260

http://www.mindspring.com/~scottr/nde/jansen1.html

You are talking nonsense.

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.

aa#2015/KoBAAWA!

One fine day in alt.atheism, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com> bloodied us up

with this:

> True Science of Theology

Oxymoron. No science needs to qualify itself as "true". The evidence it

offers does that quite nicely. Where is your evidence?

--

Uncle Vic

aa Atheist #2011

Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped

chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.

Convicted by Earthquack.

Judgment from a Darwinist Moonbat? lol!

"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:35:00 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>

> wrote:

>

>>True Science of Theology Encompasses Near Death Experience Which so

>>Confounds the Modern Humanist Conjecturer and Show Evolution to be False,

>>Alone, for Where did the Spirit Come From? Did it "Evolve" Also? No! and

>>I

>>say again, No! It was fathered by the Father of Spirits:

>

> You're a bloody loon.

> --

>

> "O Sybilli, si ergo

> Fortibus es in ero

> O Nobili! Themis trux

> Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"

Your brain case is filled with primordial soup.

"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message

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> raven1 wrote:

>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:35:00 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>>> True Science of Theology Encompasses Near Death Experience Which so

>>> Confounds the Modern Humanist Conjecturer and Show Evolution to be

>>> False, Alone, for Where did the Spirit Come From? Did it "Evolve"

>>> Also? No! and I say again, No! It was fathered by the Father of

>>> Spirits:

>>

>> You're a bloody loon.

>

> He's off his chum!

>

Moonbats in denial on the attack. A totally false statement. There are

hundreds of thousands and many many books written cataloguing them. Where

have you been for the last 38 years, you moonbat? Dr. Elizabeth Kubler

Ross, Dr. Kenneth Ring, Dr. Michael Sabom, Dr. Melvin Morse to name a very

few.

From Melvin Morse's own website:

Melvin L. Morse is consistently voted by his fellow pediatricians as being

one of America's top Pediatricians. From 1997-2006, he has been identified

by Woodword-White's Best Doctors in America as one of the top pediatricians

in the country. He has a busy private practice in the suburbs of Seattle,

Washington, USA.

Dr. Morse has researched near death experiences in children and adults for

over 20 years. He and his second wife Pauline have five children between

them. His strength in understanding spiritual visions and near death

experiences is based on his full time practice of Pediatrics and that he

remains completely grounded in the non-spiritual aspects of daily patient

care. His wife Pauline is a true partner in both their family life and in

his spiritual research. He supplies the scientific research and she supplies

the spiritual insight, the "faith and courage" needed to not both perceive

spiritual insights with our right temporal lobes and how practically to

apply them to our ordinary lives. Their current research has documented how

to differentiate spiritual insights from our wish fulfilling fantasies,

dreams, fears, and our ego projections of what we wish would happen or wish

we are and will be. Ultimately we must learn how to apply the lessons that

children have learned from nearly dying to transform our own lives. Dr. and

Mrs. Morse are currently working on practical ways to access spiritual

information to find happiness and spiritual meaning in our everyday lives.

In 2005, Dr. Morse, in collaboration with the Children's Therapy Center of

Valley Medical Center, has founded the Austism Spectrum Diagnostic and

Treatment Clinic. One half of his current clinical time is spent working

with children who have autism spectrum disorders, disorders of attention,

post traumatic stress syndrome, dissociative identity disorder, and severe

behavior disorders.

His interest in near death experiences evolved from his experiences working

in Critical Care Medicine at Seattle Children's Hospital; he published the

first description of a child's near death experience in the medical

literature and was funded by the National Cancer Institute to complete the

first case control prospective study in near death experiences. He was the

head of the Seattle Study, the largest study in adults of the

transformational aspects of the near death experience to date.

Dr. Morse graduated with academic honors from George Washington University

School of Medicine. He interned in the Pediatrics at the University of

California at San Francisco and then completed a residency in Pediatrics at

Seattle Children's Hospital. He is the recipient of a National Service

Research Award and spent two years studying brain rumors and leukemia, also

at Seattle Children's Hospital.

He divides his time between his private practice of medicine and his

teaching responsibilities. He is a Clinical Associate Professor of

Pediatrics at University of Washington, and developed the Pediatric teaching

program for the Family Practice residency program at Valley General

Hospital. He has won numerous teaching awards. Dr. Morse was a founder of

the Pediatric Interim Care Center, one of the nation's first therapeutic

foster homes for infants affected by prenatal exposure to cocaine.

Dr. Morse's research has been featured in documentaries in Japan, Australia,

France, Canada, England, and the United States. He has appeared on numerous

television and radio shows, including 20/20, The Oprah Winfrey Show, The

Turning Point, The Tom Snyder Show, the Larry King Show, Good Morning

America, Dateline, and Unsolved Mysteries, and has been the subject of

lengthy profiles in the Seattle Times, Tacoma News Tribune, and the Los

Angeles Times. He has numerous scientific publications on death-related

visions, including The Lancet and the American Medical Association's

Pediatric Journal. His research and love affair with Pauline will soon be a

major motion picture by Sony Pictures, written by award winning screen

writer Robert Caswell.

Morse's first book, Closer to the Light, was an international best seller

and is published in 38 countries and 19 languages. It explored the near

death experiences of children. His best-selling second book, Transformed by

the Light , is a long term follow up of these children as adults, and

documents the physical and psychological transformations resulting from near

death experiences. His third book, "Parting Visions", documents the entire

range of spiritual visions associated with death and dying, including

premonitions of death and after death visitations. It focuses on how we can

use these experiences to help us to understand death, grief, and the often

overlooked spiritual miracles in everyday life. His fourth book "Where God

Lives" presents a comprehensive new scientific understanding of how the

brain can resonate with energetic patterns of the universe to permit

communications with the dead, viewing at a distance with the mind, past life

memories and premonitions of the future. To order his books, click here

Books

PUBLICATIONS:

Leggiadro RJ, Dover GJ, Morse ML, et al: Lung Abscess in Sickle Cell

Disease. American Journal of Pediatric Hematology and Oncology. Vol 4 (2):

215-217

Morse ML: A Near Death Experience in a Seven-Year-Old Child. American

Journal of Diseases of Children. Vol 127: 951-961 1983

Morse ML, Savitch J, Bleyer A, et al: Altered Central Nervous System

Phamacology of Methotrexate in Childhood Leukemia. Journal of Clinical

Oncology . Vol 3 (1): 19-25 1985

Morse ML, Conner D, Tyler D: Near Death Experiences in a Pediatric

Population: A Preliminary Report. American Journal of Diseases in Children.

Vol 139 (6): 595-600 1985

Morse ML, Milstein JM, Haas JE, et al: The Effect of Hydration on

Experimentally Induced Cerebral Edema. Critical Care Medicine Vol 13 (7)

563-565 1985

Morse ML, Castillo P, Venecia D, et al: Childhood Near Death Experiences

American Journal of Diseases in Children. Vol 140: 1110-1114 1986

Morse ML, Carr D, Mendelman P, et al: Ocular Tuberculosis in a Five-

Month-Old. Pediatric Infectious Disease. Vol 7 (7): 514-516 1988

Morse ML, Venecia D, Milstein JM, et al: Near Death Experiences: A

Neurophysiological Explanation. Journal of Near Death Studies. Vol 7 (4):

223-228 Summer 1989

Morse ML, Perry P: Closer to the Light: Learning from the Near Death

Experiences of Children. Villard Books, New York. 1990.

Morse ML, Neppe V: Near Death Experiences (letter) Lancet 4-6-91 pp. 386

Morse, Perry P: Transformed by the Light: The Powerful Effects of Near Death

Experiences on People's Lives. Villard Books, New York. 1992.

Drehobl, Fuhr MG: "Pediatric Massage: For the Child with Special Needs,"

Therapy Skill Builders. 1992. Foreword by Melvin L. Morse M.D.

Eadie B: Embraced by the Light, Golden Leaf Press, Placerville, California.

1993. Foreword by Melvin L. Morse M.D.

Morse ML: Near Death Experiences and Death Related Visions: Implications for

the Clinician. Current Problems Pediatrics. pp. 45-83 Vol 24(2) February.

1994.

Morse ML: Near Death Experiences of Children. J Ped Onc Vol. 11 (4) October

1994 pp. 139-144

Morse ML, Perry P: Parting Visions: Uses and Meanings of Near Death and

Spiritual Experiences. Villard Books. 1994.

Morse ML, Perry P: Books Where God Lives: How Our Brains Are Connected to a

Spiritual Universe. 2002. Harper and Collins. 2003 French Edition was French

Book Sellers Association Non-Fiction Book of the Year.

ABSTRACTS AND BOOK FORWARDS

Kemper K: "The Holistic Pediatrician," Random House 1996 Foreword by Melvin

L. Morse M.D.

Atwater PMH: "Beyond the Light. What Isn't Being Said About Near Death

Experiences," Birch Lane Press. 1996. Foreword by Melvin L. Morse M.D.

"Parting Visions: A New Paradigm for Spiritual Experiences" by Melvin Morse

in The Near Death Experience: A Reader, Bailey and Yates (Ed.) Rutledge, New

York. 1996.

"Interview with Melvin Morse" in Angels, The Mysterious Messengers, R. Hauck

Ed.. Ballantine Books, New York. 1996. pp. 213-230.

Bleyer A, Reaman G, Poplack D, Morse ML, et al: Central Nervous system

Phamacology of High Dose Intravenous Methotrexate in Infants with Acute

Lymphoblastic Leukemia. Proceedings of the American Society of Clinical

Oncology 3: c722 1984

Morse ML, Poplack D, Bleyer A : Altered Central Nervous System Pharmacology

of Methotrexate in Childhood Leukemia: Another sign of Meningeal Relapse.

Proceedings of the American society of Clinical Oncology 3: C-144. 1983.

Reprinted in METHOTREXATE UPDATE, December. 1984.

Hennsley JA, Christenson PJ, Hardoin RA, Morse ML, et al: Premonitions of

Sudden Infant Death Syndrome: A Retrospective Case Control Study. Presented

at the National SIDS Alliance Meeting, Pittsburgh, October. 1993. Abstract:

Pediatric Pulmonol 1993; 16:393

Brett, Dr. Morse's oldest son, recently made him a wristband which described

his Dad as "Father, healer of hate". This is my greatest accomplishment and

award.

"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <user13@heathens.Org.uk> wrote

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>I was working in the lab, late one night, when Art Bulla <art@artbulla.com>

> wrote:

>

>> True Science of Theology Encompasses Near Death Experience

>

> For which there isn't even any anecdotal evidence.

Say that to my face moron, and I would stick your head further up your ass

than it already is.

"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message

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> Art Bulla wrote:

>> True Science of Theology

>

> That's it! The Contradiction-Of-Terms-For-The-Day.

>

> You win the home version of "I'm A Christian Fuckhead"! Have fun, Art

> Bullshit.

>

>

>

Moonbats in denial.

"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:35:00 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:

>

>> True Science

>

> <SNORK>

>

> Yeah. Riiiight...

>

> --

> Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423

> EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion

> ------------------------------------------------------------

> "Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"

On Jun 12, 1:31 pm, "Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:

> Your brain case is filled with primordial soup.

Oh, so who's calling names now? Hypocrite. Another Christian throwing

a fit because normal people don't believe his funny stories. Hang it

up, Art. You've failed as a missionary. I hear they're hiring at

McDonald's...

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.

aa#2015/KoBAAWA!

"Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com> writes:

>"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in message

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>> Art Bulla wrote:

>>> True Science of Theology

>> That's it! The Contradiction-Of-Terms-For-The-Day.

>> You win the home version of "I'm A Christian Fuckhead"! Have fun, Art

>> Bullshit.

>Say that to my face moron, and I would stick your head further up your ass

>than it already is.

I'd say it to you...but then, I shoot back.

--

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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:41:15 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:

> Moonbats in denial.

Says the guy posting to alt.ATHEISM and being surprised to find ATHEISTS

in the newsgroup...

--

Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423

EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion

------------------------------------------------------------

"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"

In article <pan.2007.06.12.22.21.08.243596@com.mkbilbo> "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:

> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:41:15 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:

>

> > Moonbats in denial.

>

> Says the guy posting to alt.ATHEISM and being surprised to find ATHEISTS

> in the newsgroup...

WHOA!

You're right.

Damn, but I never noticed that before...

Man, just LOOK at `em all.

Think we could sell them on eBay or something?

-- cary

On Jun 12, 1:40 pm, "Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:

> Say that to my face moron, and I would stick your head further up your ass

> than it already is.

You're the one denying reality, and he has his head stuffed? Funny

guy, you are.

There's a reason no one is listening to what you have to say. It's

stupid, and we've heard it all before. This is not your church, where

you all support each others' fantacies.

If you really want people to treat Christian mythology

sympathetically, either create a coherent argument...

....OR COME UP WITH SOME STINKIN' EVIDENCE! Until you people do one or

the other, what you believe is just something stupid that someone else

believes. Your mythology is no different to me than the UFO Abduction

cults are to you. Why is this so difficult for you folks to

understand?

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.

aa#2015/KoBAAWA!

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:28:56 +0000, Cary Kittrell wrote:

> In article <pan.2007.06.12.22.21.08.243596@com.mkbilbo> "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> writes:

>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:41:15 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:

>>

>> > Moonbats in denial.

>>

>> Says the guy posting to alt.ATHEISM and being surprised to find ATHEISTS

>> in the newsgroup...

>

> WHOA!

>

> You're right.

>

> Damn, but I never noticed that before...

>

> Man, just LOOK at `em all.

>

>

>

>

> Think we could sell them on eBay or something?

Nah. They're getting too common and the bottom dropped outta the market.

(Damn Dawkins!)

--

Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423

EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion

------------------------------------------------------------

"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"

"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message

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> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:35:00 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>

> wrote:

>

>>True Science of Theology Encompasses Near Death Experience Which so

>>Confounds the Modern Humanist Conjecturer and Show Evolution to be False,

>>Alone, for Where did the Spirit Come From? Did it "Evolve" Also? No! and

>>I

>>say again, No! It was fathered by the Father of Spirits:

>

> You're a bloody loon.

Yes, there is a spirit world that everyone will have to go through once the

physical body is dead. The Mormons were preaching this all the way back in

the 19th century way before Elizabeth Kubler Ross made it popular in the

mainstream.With as many testimonies as there have been of near death out of

body experiences and the fact that many of these experiences have similar

aspects to them, I think many should investigate this phenomenon.

<panamfloyd@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1181687654.694587.51530@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> On Jun 12, 1:40 pm, "Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:

>> Say that to my face moron, and I would stick your head further up your

>> ass

>> than it already is.

>

> You're the one denying reality, and he has his head stuffed? Funny

> guy, you are.

>

> There's a reason no one is listening to what you have to say. It's

> stupid, and we've heard it all before. This is not your church, where

> you all support each others' fantacies.

>

> If you really want people to treat Christian mythology

> sympathetically, either create a coherent argument...

>

> ...OR COME UP WITH SOME STINKIN' EVIDENCE! Until you people do one or

> the other, what you believe is just something stupid that someone else

> believes. Your mythology is no different to me than the UFO Abduction

> cults are to you. Why is this so difficult for you folks to

> understand?

>

> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.

> aa#2015/KoBAAWA!

The Gospel appeals to the soul barring reprobates like yourself. You deny

the existence of the Holy Spirit. You deny the numerous testimonies of Jesus

Christ in the NT of the Bible and Book of Mormon by individuals who received

the Spirit. Flavius Josephus spoke of Jesus and His Apostles. The scriptures

are testimonies of God and actual history. Much more evidence than your

speculation of how the world came about, your religion which is evolution.

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but

unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1

1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they

have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there

were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is

none that doeth good, no, not one.

Psalms 14

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:53:33 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

wrote:

>"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message

>news:bver63l8rd0522binrfs15terobnoiu9fl@4ax.com...

>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:35:00 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>>>True Science of Theology Encompasses Near Death Experience Which so

>>>Confounds the Modern Humanist Conjecturer and Show Evolution to be False,

>>>Alone, for Where did the Spirit Come From? Did it "Evolve" Also? No! and

>>>I

>>>say again, No! It was fathered by the Father of Spirits:

>>

>> You're a bloody loon.

>

>Yes, there is a spirit world that everyone will have to go through once the

>physical body is dead.

Prove it, brainwashed moron.

> The Mormons were preaching this all the way back in

>the 19th century way before Elizabeth Kubler Ross made it popular in the

>mainstream.

And they were just as deluded as you are, falling for a convicted

confidence trickster.

> With as many testimonies as there have been of near death out of

>body experiences and the fact that many of these experiences have similar

>aspects to them, I think many should investigate this phenomenon.

No,moron. It is up to its believers to prove it, instead of

dishonestly expecting the less gullible to do your work for you.

>

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:06:44 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>

wrote:

>

>

><panamfloyd@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>news:1181687654.694587.51530@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>> On Jun 12, 1:40 pm, "Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:

>>> Say that to my face moron, and I would stick your head further up your

>>> ass

>>> than it already is.

>>

>> You're the one denying reality, and he has his head stuffed? Funny

>> guy, you are.

>>

>> There's a reason no one is listening to what you have to say. It's

>> stupid, and we've heard it all before. This is not your church, where

>> you all support each others' fantacies.

>>

>> If you really want people to treat Christian mythology

>> sympathetically, either create a coherent argument...

>>

>> ...OR COME UP WITH SOME STINKIN' EVIDENCE! Until you people do one or

>> the other, what you believe is just something stupid that someone else

>> believes. Your mythology is no different to me than the UFO Abduction

>> cults are to you. Why is this so difficult for you folks to

>> understand?

>>

>> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.

>> aa#2015/KoBAAWA!

>

>The Gospel appeals to the soul barring reprobates like yourself.

Deliberate, slanderous nastiness.

> You deny

>the existence of the Holy Spirit.

Nobody is denying anything, liar. It's merely somebody else's

religion.

> You deny the numerous testimonies of Jesus

>Christ in the NT of the Bible and Book of Mormon by individuals who received

>the Spirit.

Nobody is denying anything, liar. It's merely somebody else's

religion.

> Flavius Josephus spoke of Jesus and His Apostles.

No he didn't, liar. Josephus was a Jew and the passage is an obviously

out of context insertion written by a Christian and "discovered" 300

years after the alleged events.

> The scriptures

>are testimonies of God and actual history.

No, liar, they are a mish-mash of earlier myths and legends about

other hero figures retold in a first century Palestine setting.

> Much more evidence than your

>speculation of how the world came about, your religion which is evolution.

Don't be so fucking stupid.

>18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but

>unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

>1 Corinthians 1

What kind of moron cites the bible outside his religion as "proof" of

anything?

Here's a clue, brainwashed moron: if you daren't convinced by Hindu

scriptures, why expect non-Christian to be convinced by yours?

Nobody could be that stupid.

>1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they

>have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Standard Christian nastiness, attacking a strawman out of a

combination of bigotry, ignorance and hatred, hiding behind a book he

knows is worthless to those he slanders.

>2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there

>were any that did understand, and seek God.

It would have to exist in the real world outside your deluded

fantasies fort that, brainwashed moron.

>3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is

>none that doeth good, no, not one.

>Psalms 14

Liar.

Art Bulla wrote:

> Your brain case is filled with primordial soup.

Somewhat evolved primordial soup, but yes, that's true in a sense.

See ya, dipshit!

I am not a Christian, fool.

<panamfloyd@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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> On Jun 12, 1:31 pm, "Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:

>> Your brain case is filled with primordial soup.

>

> Oh, so who's calling names now? Hypocrite. Another Christian throwing

> a fit because normal people don't believe his funny stories. Hang it

> up, Art. You've failed as a missionary. I hear they're hiring at

> McDonald's...

>

> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.

> aa#2015/KoBAAWA!

>