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The Nancy Pelosi Invasion

The Turkish Parliament authorized their government to invade northern Iraq
any time during the next year in order to quell the terrorist attacks in the
Kurdish regions of southern Turkey. The overwhelming vote to authorize the
invasion demonstrates the declining influence of the US with its NATO
partner and Middle East ally, a situation exacerbated by the Congressional
effort to censure Turkey over a genocide from a century ago:

The Turkish parliament Wednesday authorized cross-border military operations
into northern Iraq to combat Kurdish separatist rebels as world leaders
implored Turkey to delay any action.

In the hours before the parliament voted by a gaping margin of 507 to 19 to
give Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan permission to launch
strikes any time over the next year, Iraqi and NATO officials made a flurry
of cautionary, last-minute telephone calls to the country's top leaders.

The vote came just moments after President Bush in a White House press
conference urged Turkey to continue talking to Iraq officials about the
situation and to not move troops against the rebels.

"We are making it very clear to Turkey that we don't think it is in their
interests to send troops into Iraq," Bush told reporters. " . . . There's a
better way to deal with the issue than having the Turks send massive troops
into the country."

It's almost impossible to overestimate the damage this could cause to the
stability we've managed to get thus far in Iraq. The Kurdish territory has
been our biggest success story to this point. Their economy has boomed, and
the violence in western Iraq has mostly been non-existent in the north. They
see America as the savior of the Kurds against both Saddam and the
post-invasion chaos.

If the Turks invade the territory, we will have three choices, all of them
bad. We could defend the Kurds, which means war with the only Middle Eastern
Muslim democracy and a distraction from stabilizing Iraq and containing
Iran. We could sit on our hands and alienate the Iraqi Kurds, who won't be
able to defend themselves, while the entire north dissolves into guerilla
warfare. We could stand between the two groups and try to defend a DMZ, and
get our collective asses shot off. That's all of the possibilities, and none
of them sound too appetizing.

Iraq's central government offered an intermediate step that might work.
Nouri al-Maliki offered to conduct joint operations with the Turks to clear
the PKK out of the border region. He'd better do something quick, because a
Turkish invasion would likely be followed by Syrian and Iranian incursions
into Iraq as well, although the US might take either as enough provocation
to conduct military attacks on both capitals. The Iranians have already
begun shelling PKK sites along the border. Joint operations would take some
resources away from Coalition operations, but this would be a higher
priority at the moment.

It goes without saying that we would have had more influence on the
situation in Turkey had Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats in Congress made
themselves the arbiter of the Armenian genocide of 1915. If the troops cross
the border, we can thank Pelosi and her colleagues for reducing our ability
to avoid a shooting war that could cost thousands of lives here and now.


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Pelosi: Armenian Genocide Vote in Doubt

Oct 17 04:06 PM US/Eastern
By ANNE FLAHERTY
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Wednesday the prospects of
a vote on Armenian genocide were uncertain, after several members pulled
their support amid fears it would cripple U.S. relations with Turkey.
"Whether it will come up or not, or what the action will be, remains to be
seen," Pelosi told reporters.

The House proposal, which would label as genocide the killing of Armenians a
century ago by Ottoman Turks, has inflamed U.S. tensions with Turkey, which
says the death toll has been inflated and was the result of civil unrest,
not genocide. Support for the nonbinding resolution deteriorated this week
after Turkey recalled its U.S. ambassador to Ankara and several lawmakers
spoke out against it.

A member of NATO, Turkey also is considered a rare Muslim ally to the United
States in its war on terrorism. A U.S.-run air base there has facilitated
the flow of most cargo to American troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Rep. John Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat considered influential on military
affairs, said his party's leadership miscalculated support for the
resolution. He predicted that such a vote would easily fail.

"If it came to the floor today, it would not pass," with some 55 to 60
Democrats opposing the measure, Murtha told reporters. As of Thursday, House
Democrats will hold a 233-200 majority.

Pelosi, D-Calif., is expected to hold off on a vote at least until she gets
a better idea of how many House members will support it-a task assumed
behind the scenes by the resolution's primary co-sponsors, including Rep.
Adam Schiff, D-Calif.

"While a few members have withdrawn their support for the resolution, the
truth is on our side, and support for the resolution remains high," Schiff
said in an e-mailed statement on Tuesday. "As with almost all legislation in
Congress, there are many members who are not listed as co-sponsors of the
resolution but support the measure."

In a White House news conference on Wednesday, Bush warned lawmakers against
further inflaming U.S. relations with Turkey. On the same day, Turkey's
parliament approved a possible offensive in northern Iraq against Kurdish
rebels known as the PKK; Bush said he opposes such military action.

With all the pressing responsibilities facing the nation, "one thing
Congress should not be doing is sorting out the historical record of the
Ottoman Empire," Bush said.

Said Murtha: "We don't have the number of allies we used to have. We've lost
so much credibility worldwide."

Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said there have been two to three
battalions of Turkish forces just across the border in Iraq, in a valley
south of the mountains where the PKK is known to operate. That presence, he
said, goes back to the late 1990s, and has been widely known by the U.S. and
the Iraqis. A battalion is generally about 800 soldiers.

Morrell said the Turkish troops are limited to information gathering, and
are largely confined to their base with only limited travel. Their
movements, he said, are coordinated with the U.S. and the Iraqis.

___

Associated Press Writer Lolita C. Baldor contributed to this report.
 
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Bush says he wants to nuke Iran and you are sweating over Pelosi? hahaa
 
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>Hllary says she wants to nuke Iran and you are sweating over Pelosi?
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Yeah Who believes Hillary ? Everyone knows she's a friggin liar.

Clinton Talks About Iran
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-qGLDs-gAnZiUXD2NU51ry3j3dwD8S8GA6O0

By JIM DAVENPORT - 3 days ago

FLORENCE, S.C. (AP) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton advocated talks
to settle differences with Iran but said Saturday that Tehran would invite
U.S. action if it were to disrupt oil supplies.

"I will make it very clear to the Iranians that there are very serious
consequences attached to their actions," Clinton said. The presidential
candidate spoke at a town hall meeting with 300 people at a high school in a
Democratic stronghold in early voting South Carolina.

The New York senator, responding to a question, said blocking oil
shipments "would be devastating to the world economy."

If the U.S. took military action as a result, she said, "I would hope
that the world would see that was an action of last resort, not first
resort. Because we need the world to agree with us about the threat that
Iran poses to everyone."

Clinton said that is why, as president, she "would immediately open a
diplomatic negotiation with Iran over all issues that we disagree with them
on." President Bush has erred by not having that type of relationship, she
said.

She disputed critics who said her recent Senate vote to label Iran's
Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization presaged supporting war.
Instead, she said, the vote is consistent with her negotiating strategy.

"They are supporting sending weapons into Iraq right now that are used
against our troops," she said. The resolution gives an opening to future
penalties and "leverage when we negotiate with them."




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Clinton Talks About Iran
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-qGLDs-gAnZiUXD2NU51ry3j3dwD8S8GA6O0

By JIM DAVENPORT - 3 days ago

FLORENCE, S.C. (AP) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton advocated talks
to settle differences with Iran but said Saturday that Tehran would invite
U.S. action if it were to disrupt oil supplies.

"I will make it very clear to the Iranians that there are very serious
consequences attached to their actions," Clinton said. The presidential
candidate spoke at a town hall meeting with 300 people at a high school in a
Democratic stronghold in early voting South Carolina.

The New York senator, responding to a question, said blocking oil
shipments "would be devastating to the world economy."

If the U.S. took military action as a result, she said, "I would hope
that the world would see that was an action of last resort, not first
resort. Because we need the world to agree with us about the threat that
Iran poses to everyone."

Clinton said that is why, as president, she "would immediately open a
diplomatic negotiation with Iran over all issues that we disagree with them
on." President Bush has erred by not having that type of relationship, she
said.

She disputed critics who said her recent Senate vote to label Iran's
Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization presaged supporting war.
Instead, she said, the vote is consistent with her negotiating strategy.

"They are supporting sending weapons into Iraq right now that are used
against our troops," she said. The resolution gives an opening to future
penalties and "leverage when we negotiate with them."




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