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The Pope condemns the climate change prophets
By SIMON CALDWELL
Last updated at 23:14pm on 11th December 2007
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ews.html?in_article_id=501316&in_page_id=1811

Attack: Pope Benedict criticised climate-change prophets of doom
Pope Benedict XVI has launched a surprise attack on climate change
prophets of doom, warning them that any solutions to global warming
must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology.

The leader of more than a billion Roman Catholics suggested that fears
over man-made emissions melting the ice caps and causing a wave of
unprecedented disasters were nothing more than scare-mongering.

The German-born Pontiff said that while some concerns may be valid it
was vital that the international community based its policies on
science rather than the dogma of the environmentalist movement.

His remarks will be made in his annual message for World Peace Day on
January 1, but they were released as delegates from all over the world
convened on the Indonesian holiday island of Bali for UN climate
change talks.

The 80-year-old Pope said the world needed to care for the environment
but not to the point where the welfare of animals and plants was given
a greater priority than that of mankind.

"Humanity today is rightly concerned about the ecological balance of
tomorrow," he said in the message entitled "The Human Family, A
Community of Peace".

"It is important for assessments in this regard to be carried out
prudently, in dialogue with experts and people of wisdom, uninhibited
by ideological pressure to draw hasty conclusions, and above all with
the aim of reaching agreement on a model of sustainable development
capable of ensuring the well-being of all while respecting
environmental balances.

"If the protection of the environment involves costs, they should be
justly distributed, taking due account of the different levels of
development of various countries and the need for solidarity with
future generations.

"Prudence does not mean failing to accept responsibilities and
postponing decisions; it means being committed to making joint
decisions after pondering responsibly the road to be taken."

Efforts to protect the environment should seek "agreement on a model
of sustainable development capable of ensuring the well-being of all
while respecting environmental balances", the Pope said.

He added that to further the cause of world peace it was sensible for
nations to "choose the path of dialogue rather than the path of
unilateral decisions" in how to cooperate responsibly on conserving
the planet.

The Pope's message is traditionally sent to heads of government and
international organisations.

His remarks reveal that while the Pope acknowledges that problems may
be associated with unbridled development and climate change, he
believes the case against global warming to be over-hyped.

A broad consensus is developing among the world's scientific community
over the evils of climate change.

But there is also an intransigent body of scientific opinion which
continues to insist that industrial emissions are not to blame for the
phenomenon.

Such scientists point out that fluctuations in the earth's temperature
are normal and can often be caused by waves of heat generated by the
sun. Other critics of environmentalism have compared the movement to a
burgeoning industry in its own right.

In the spring, the Vatican hosted a conference on climate change that
was welcomed by environmentalists.

But senior cardinals close to the Vatican have since expressed doubts
about a movement which has been likened by critics to be just as
dogmatic in its assumptions as any religion.

In October, the Australian Cardinal George Pell, the Archbishop of
Sydney, caused an outcry when he noted that the atmospheric
temperature of Mars had risen by 0.5 degrees celsius.

"The industrial-military complex up on Mars can't be blamed for that,"
he said in a criticism of Australian scientists who had claimed that
carbon emissions would force temperatures on earth to rise by almost
five degrees by 2070 unless drastic solutions were enforced.


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If you disagree with the theories and dogmas of Marxism or Scientific Socialism
then you are a tool of Capitalist interests. If you disagree with the theories
or dogmas of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming then you are a tool of
Capitalistic interests. Notice a pattern here? -- Captain Compassion


The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to
escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius

"...the whole world, including the United States, including all that
we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark
Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights
of perverted science." -- Sir Winston Churchill

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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> The Pope condemns the climate change prophets
> By SIMON CALDWELL
> Last updated at 23:14pm on 11th December 2007
>

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_articl
e_id=501316&in_page_id=1811
>
> Attack: Pope Benedict criticised climate-change prophets of doom
> Pope Benedict XVI has launched a surprise attack on climate change
> prophets of doom, warning them that any solutions to global warming
> must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology.

Cut.......

What a hoot! Since when is Catholicism based on firm eveidence and not
dubious ideology?

Funny the a guy standing on such a house of cards would say such a thing. Oh
well this just fits our Nazi view of him.
 
In article <_GT7j.7323$AR7.197@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, nsmontassoc@yahoo.com says...
>
> "Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
> news:eek:3tvl3ddc0tt3ab2qpafitj6sd62qkfm2n@4ax.com...
> > The Pope condemns the climate change prophets
> > By SIMON CALDWELL
> > Last updated at 23:14pm on 11th December 2007
> >

> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_articl
> e_id=501316&in_page_id=1811
> >
> > Attack: Pope Benedict criticised climate-change prophets of doom
> > Pope Benedict XVI has launched a surprise attack on climate change
> > prophets of doom, warning them that any solutions to global warming
> > must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology.

> Cut.......
>
> What a hoot! Since when is Catholicism based on firm eveidence and not
> dubious ideology?
>
> Funny the a guy standing on such a house of cards would say such a thing. Oh
> well this just fits our Nazi view of him.
>
>
>

Hey, don't rush the Pope, after all, it only took them 500 years to pardon Galileo for saying that the Earth was not the center of the universe.
 
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:08:42 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
>news:eek:3tvl3ddc0tt3ab2qpafitj6sd62qkfm2n@4ax.com...
>> The Pope condemns the climate change prophets
>> By SIMON CALDWELL
>> Last updated at 23:14pm on 11th December 2007
>>

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_articl
>e_id=501316&in_page_id=1811
>>
>> Attack: Pope Benedict criticised climate-change prophets of doom
>> Pope Benedict XVI has launched a surprise attack on climate change
>> prophets of doom, warning them that any solutions to global warming
>> must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology.

>Cut.......
>
>What a hoot! Since when is Catholicism based on firm eveidence and not
>dubious ideology?
>
>Funny the a guy standing on such a house of cards would say such a thing. Oh
>well this just fits our Nazi view of him.
>

Say what you like about the Pope & his beliefs, but in regards
to climate change, he is correct.
There is no credible evidence that man has a significant
effect on the climate. This is why Gore refuses to debate the issue.
 
"Jim999" <iwantnomail@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:99p0m311nasi4bk2gfmbtvakppr40dd731@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:08:42 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
>>news:eek:3tvl3ddc0tt3ab2qpafitj6sd62qkfm2n@4ax.com...
>>> The Pope condemns the climate change prophets
>>> By SIMON CALDWELL
>>> Last updated at 23:14pm on 11th December 2007
>>>

>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_articl
>>e_id=501316&in_page_id=1811
>>>
>>> Attack: Pope Benedict criticised climate-change prophets of doom
>>> Pope Benedict XVI has launched a surprise attack on climate change
>>> prophets of doom, warning them that any solutions to global warming
>>> must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology.

>>Cut.......
>>
>>What a hoot! Since when is Catholicism based on firm eveidence and not
>>dubious ideology?
>>
>>Funny the a guy standing on such a house of cards would say such a thing.
>>Oh
>>well this just fits our Nazi view of him.
>>

> Say what you like about the Pope & his beliefs, but in regards
> to climate change, he is correct.
> There is no credible evidence that man has a significant
> effect on the climate. This is why Gore refuses to debate the issue.


The Pope wants to debate Gore about global warming?
 
On Dec 12, 8:07 pm, "Dennis Kemmerer" <d...@suespammers.org> wrote:
> ">
> The Pope wants to debate Gore about global warming?-




A fig leaf could debate Gore on global warming and win hands down.
 
In article <99p0m311nasi4bk2gfmbtvakppr40dd731@4ax.com>, iwantnomail@nowhere.com says...
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:08:42 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
> >news:eek:3tvl3ddc0tt3ab2qpafitj6sd62qkfm2n@4ax.com...
> >> The Pope condemns the climate change prophets
> >> By SIMON CALDWELL
> >> Last updated at 23:14pm on 11th December 2007
> >>

> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_articl
> >e_id=501316&in_page_id=1811
> >>
> >> Attack: Pope Benedict criticised climate-change prophets of doom
> >> Pope Benedict XVI has launched a surprise attack on climate change
> >> prophets of doom, warning them that any solutions to global warming
> >> must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology.

> >Cut.......
> >
> >What a hoot! Since when is Catholicism based on firm eveidence and not
> >dubious ideology?
> >
> >Funny the a guy standing on such a house of cards would say such a thing. Oh
> >well this just fits our Nazi view of him.
> >

> Say what you like about the Pope & his beliefs, but in regards
> to climate change, he is correct.
> There is no credible evidence that man has a significant
> effect on the climate. This is why Gore refuses to debate the issue.
>

So who the **** are YOU??????

"...Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) 2007

Main article: Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

In February 2007, the IPCC released a summary of the forthcoming Fourth Assessment Report. According to this summary, the Fourth Assessment Report finds that human actions are "very likely" the cause of global warming, meaning a 90% or greater probability.[2]

The New York Times reports on the report:

The world's leading climate scientists said global warming has begun, is very likely caused by man, and will be unstoppable for centuries, ... . The phrase very likely translates to a more than 90 percent certainty that global warming is caused by man's burning of fossil fuels. That was the strongest conclusion to date, making it nearly impossible to say natural forces are to blame.[3]

The report said that an increase in hurricane and tropical cyclone strength since 1970 more likely than not can be attributed to man-made global warming. The scientists said global warming's connection varies with storms in different parts of the world, but that the storms that strike the Americas are global warming-influenced.[4]

The Associated Press summarizes the position on sea level rise:

On sea levels, the report projects rises of 7-23 inches by the end of the century. That could be augmented by an additional 4-8 inches if recent surprising polar ice sheet melt continues.[5]

[edit] Joint science academies=3F statement 2007

In preparation for the 2007 G8 summit, the national science academies of the G8+5 nations issued a declaration referencing the position of the 2005 joint science academies' statement, and acknowledging the confirmation of their previous conclusion by recent research. Following the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, the declaration states:

It is unequivocal that the climate is changing, and it is very likely that this is predominantly caused by the increasing human interference with the atmosphere. These changes will transform the environmental conditions on Earth unless counter-measures are taken.

[edit] Joint science academies=3F statement 2005

In 2005 the national science academies of the G8 nations, plus Brazil, China and India, three of the largest emitters of greenhouse gases in the developing world, signed a statement on the global response to climate change. The statement stresses that the scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nations taking prompt action[6], and explicitly endorsed the IPCC consensus.

[edit] Joint science academies=3F statement 2001

In 2001, following the publication of the IPCC Third Assessment Report, sixteen national science academies issued a joint statement explicitly acknowledging the IPCC position as representing the scientific consensus on climate change science. Among the signatories are the science academies of Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, the Caribbean, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Malaysia, New Zealand, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.[7]

[edit] U.S. National Research Council, 2001

In 2001 the Committee on the Science of Climate Change of the National Research Council published Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions [8]. This report explicitly endorses the IPCC view of attribution of recent climate change as representing the view of the scientific community:

The changes observed over the last several decades are likely mostly due to human activities, but we cannot rule out that some significant part of these changes is also a reflection of natural variability. Human-induced warming and associated sea level rises are expected to continue through the 21st century... The IPCC's conclusion that most of the observed warming of the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations
accurately reflects the current thinking of the scientific community on this issue.[9]

[edit] American Meteorological Society

The American Meteorological Society (AMS) statement adopted by their council in 2003 said:

There is now clear evidence that the mean annual temperature at the Earth's surface, averaged over the entire globe, has been increasing in the past 200 years. There is also clear evidence that the abundance of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has increased over the same period. In the past decade, significant progress has been made toward a better understanding of the climate system and toward improved projections of long-term climate change... Human activities
have become a major source of environmental change. Of great urgency are the climate consequences of the increasing atmospheric abundance of greenhouse gases... Because greenhouse gases continue to increase, we are, in effect, conducting a global climate experiment, neither planned nor controlled, the results of which may present unprecedented challenges to our wisdom and foresight as well as have significant impacts on our natural and societal systems.[10]

[edit] American Geophysical Union

The American Geophysical Union (AGU) statement [11] adopted by the society in 2003 affirms that rising levels of greenhouse gases will cause the global surface temperature to be warmer:

Human activities are increasingly altering the Earth's climate. These effects add to natural influences that have been present over Earth's history. Scientific evidence strongly indicates that natural influences cannot explain the rapid increase in global near-surface temperatures observed during the second half of the 20th century.

Human impacts on the climate system include increasing concentrations of atmospheric greenhouse gases (e.g., carbon dioxide, chlorofluorocarbons and their substitutes, methane, nitrous oxide, etc.), air pollution, increasing concentrations of airborne particles, and land alteration. A particular concern is that atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide may be rising faster than at any time in Earth's history, except possibly following rare events like impacts from large
extraterrestrial objects.

Atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations have increased since the mid-1700s through fossil fuel burning and changes in land use, with more than 80% of this increase occurring since 1900. Moreover, research indicates that increased levels of carbon dioxide will remain in the atmosphere for hundreds to thousands of years. It is virtually certain that increasing atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases will cause global surface climate to
be warmer.

[edit] American Institute of Physics

The Governing Board of the American Institute of Physics endorsed the AGU statement on human-induced climate change:[12]

The Governing Board of the American Institute of Physics has endorsed a position statement on climate change adopted by the American Geophysical Union (AGU) Council in December 2003.

[edit] American Astronomical Society

The American Astronomical Society has endorsed the AGU statement:[13]

In endorsing the "Human Impacts on Climate" statement, the AAS recognizes the collective expertise of the AGU in scientific subfields central to assessing and understanding global change, and acknowledges the strength of agreement among our AGU colleagues that the global climate is changing and human activities are contributing to that change.

[edit] Federal Climate Change Science Program, 2006

On May 2, 2006, the Federal Climate Change Science Program commissioned by the Bush administration in 2002 released the first of 21 assessments. Though it did not state what percentage of climate change might be anthropogenic, the assessment concluded:

Studies ... show clear evidence of human influences on the climate system (due to changes in greenhouse gases, aerosols, and stratospheric ozone). ... The observed patterns of change over the past 50 years cannot be explained by natural processes alone, nor by the effects of short-lived atmospheric constituents (such as aerosols and tropospheric ozone) alone.[14]

[edit] American Association for the Advancement of Science

The American Association for the Advancement of Science stated, "The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society."[15]

[edit] Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London

The Stratigraphy Commission of the Geological Society of London stated, "We find that the evidence for human-induced climate change is now persuasive, and the need for direct action compelling."[16]

[edit] Geological Society of America

"The Geological Society of America (GSA) supports the scientific conclusions that Earth=3Fs climate is changing; the climate changes are due in part to human activities; and the probable consequences of the climate changes will be significant and blind to geopolitical boundaries. Furthermore, the potential implications of global climate change and the time scale over which such changes will likely occur require active, effective, long-term planning."[17]

[edit] American Chemical Society

The American Chemical Society stated, "There is now general agreement among scientific experts that the recent warming trend is real (and particularly strong within the past 20 years), that most of the observed warming is likely due to increased atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, and that climate change could have serious adverse effects by the end of this century. Current debates focus on the extent to which humans may be altering the pattern of natural change
and appropriate policy responses. (...) The greatest challenges facing the global community include understanding how the global climate system works and how our own activities may be influencing it, as well as undertaking responsible actions to protect that system for our children. (...) The overwhelming balance of evidence indicates that reducing greenhouse gas emissions is the prudent and responsible course of action at this time. Although vigorous climate research is
certainly needed to reduce uncertainties and to identify potential adverse effects, it should not forestall prudent action now to address the issue."[18]

[edit] Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)

"Engineers Australia believes that Australia must act swiftly and proactively in line with global expectations to address climate change as an economic, social and environmental risk... We believe that addressing the costs of atmospheric emissions will lead to increasing our competitive advantage by minimising risks and creating new economic opportunities. Engineers Australia believes the Australian Government should ratify the Kyoto Protocol."[19]..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:08:42 -0800, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
>news:eek:3tvl3ddc0tt3ab2qpafitj6sd62qkfm2n@4ax.com...
>> The Pope condemns the climate change prophets
>> By SIMON CALDWELL
>> Last updated at 23:14pm on 11th December 2007
>>

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_articl
>e_id=501316&in_page_id=1811
>>
>> Attack: Pope Benedict criticised climate-change prophets of doom
>> Pope Benedict XVI has launched a surprise attack on climate change
>> prophets of doom, warning them that any solutions to global warming
>> must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology.

>Cut.......
>
>What a hoot! Since when is Catholicism based on firm eveidence and not
>dubious ideology?
>
>Funny the a guy standing on such a house of cards would say such a thing. Oh
>well this just fits our Nazi view of him.
>

It sometimes takes a con man to recognize a con.


--
If you disagree with the theories and dogmas of Marxism or Scientific Socialism
then you are a tool of Capitalist interests. If you disagree with the theories
or dogmas of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming then you are a tool of
Capitalistic interests. Notice a pattern here? -- Captain Compassion


The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to
escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius

"...the whole world, including the United States, including all that
we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark
Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights
of perverted science." -- Sir Winston Churchill

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:33:32 -0800, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:

>If you disagree with the theories and dogmas of Marxism or Scientific Socialism
>then you are a tool of Capitalist interests. If you disagree with the theories
>or dogmas of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming then you are a tool of
>Capitalistic interests. Notice a pattern here? -- Captain Compassion


And if you disagree with Captain Crunch you're most likely right. Get
over it. Global warming for whatever reason - manmade, natural, or a
combo of both - is here and it behooves homo sapiens (that does not
include neo-cons or neanderthals) to do what can be done to make GW's
effects as benign as possible.

WB Yeats
 
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:52:23 -0800, wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:33:32 -0800, Captain Compassion
><daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
>
>>If you disagree with the theories and dogmas of Marxism or Scientific Socialism
>>then you are a tool of Capitalist interests. If you disagree with the theories
>>or dogmas of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming then you are a tool of
>>Capitalistic interests. Notice a pattern here? -- Captain Compassion

>
>And if you disagree with Captain Crunch you're most likely right. Get
>over it. Global warming for whatever reason - manmade, natural, or a
>combo of both - is here and it behooves homo sapiens (that does not
>include neo-cons or neanderthals) to do what can be done to make GW's
>effects as benign as possible.
>

I suspect there is little choice but to wait until global cooling
starts again.

Adapt or die.

--
If you disagree with the theories and dogmas of Marxism or Scientific Socialism
then you are a tool of Capitalist interests. If you disagree with the theories
or dogmas of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming then you are a tool of
Capitalistic interests. Notice a pattern here? -- Captain Compassion


The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to
escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius

"...the whole world, including the United States, including all that
we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark
Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights
of perverted science." -- Sir Winston Churchill

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
 
In article <6gp2m3d3v31h86ji09t9b9chea5h0d680h@4ax.com>, daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net says...
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:52:23 -0800, wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:33:32 -0800, Captain Compassion
> ><daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
> >
> >>If you disagree with the theories and dogmas of Marxism or Scientific Socialism
> >>then you are a tool of Capitalist interests. If you disagree with the theories
> >>or dogmas of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming then you are a tool of
> >>Capitalistic interests. Notice a pattern here? -- Captain Compassion

> >
> >And if you disagree with Captain Crunch you're most likely right. Get
> >over it. Global warming for whatever reason - manmade, natural, or a
> >combo of both - is here and it behooves homo sapiens (that does not
> >include neo-cons or neanderthals) to do what can be done to make GW's
> >effects as benign as possible.
> >

> I suspect there is little choice but to wait until global cooling
> starts again.
>
> Adapt or die.
>
>

We solved the problems of acid rain and ozone depletion, but neither of
those hurt the bottom line of the petroleum industry.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=global+warming&hl=en&lr=&btnG=Search


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