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> The New York Times Magazine - Nov 4, 2007
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/magazine/04Flew-t.html
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> The Turning of an Atheist
>
> By MARK OPPENHEIMER
>
> Unless you are a professional philosopher or a committed atheist, you
> probably have not heard of Antony Flew. Eighty-four years old and long
> retired, Flew lives with his wife in Reading, a medium-size town on the
> Thames an hour west of London. Over a long career he held appointments
> at a series of decent regional universities " Aberdeen, Keele, Reading
> " and earned a strong reputation writing on an unusual range of topics,
> from Hume to immortality to Darwin. His greatest contribution remains
> his first, a short paper from 1950 called Theology and Falsification.
> Flew was a precocious 27 when he delivered the paper at a meeting of
> the Socratic Club, the Oxford salon presided over by C. S. Lewis.
> Reprinted in dozens of anthologies, Theology and Falsification has
> become a heroic tract for committed atheists. In a masterfully terse
> thousand words, Flew argues that God is too vague a concept to be
> meaningful. For if Gods greatness entails being invisible, intangible
> and inscrutable, then he cant be disproved " but nor can he be proved.
> Such powerful but simply stated arguments made Flew popular on the
> campus speaking circuit; videos from debates in the 1970s show a lanky
> man, his black hair professorially unkempt, vivisecting religious
> belief with an English public-school accent perfect for the seduction
> of American ears. Before the current crop of atheist crusader-authors "
> Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Christopher Hitchens " there was
> Antony Flew.
>
> Flews fame is about to spread beyond the atheists and philosophers.
> HarperOne, an imprint of HarperCollins, has just released There Is a
> God: How the Worlds Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind, a book
> attributed to Flew and a co-author, the Christian apologist Roy Abraham
> Varghese. There Is a God is an intellectuals bildungsroman written
> in simple language for a mass audience. Its the first-person account
> of a preachers son who, away at Methodist boarding school, defied his
> father to become a teenage atheist, later wrote on atheism at Oxford,
> spent his life fighting for unbelief and then did an about-face in his
> old age, embracing the truth of a higher power. The book offers
> elegant, user-friendly descriptions of the arguments that persuaded
> Flew, arguments familiar to anyone who has heard evangelical
> Christians scientific proof of God. From the fine tuning argument
> that the laws of nature are too perfect to have been accidents to the
> intelligent design argument that human biology cannot be explained by
> evolution to various computations meant to show that probability favors
> a divine creator, There Is a God is perhaps the handiest primer ever
> written on the science (many would say pseudoscience) of religious
> belief.
>
> Flews conversion, first reported in late 2004, has cast him into
> culture wars that he contentedly avoided his whole life. Although Flew
> still rejects Christianity, saying only that he now believes in an
> intelligence that explains both its own existence and that of the
> world, evangelicals are understandably excited. For them, Flew has
> become very useful, very quickly. In late 2006, Flew was among the
> signers of a letter to Tony Blair asking that intelligent design be
> included in the British science curriculum. Flews fame has reached
> even to small-town Pennsylvania, where in 2005 Judge John E. Jones
> cited Flew in his landmark decision prohibiting the teaching of
> intelligent design in the town of Dover. Referring to a publication of
> the Dover School Board, Jones wrote that the newsletter all but admits
> that I.D. is religious by quoting Anthony [sic] Flew, described as a
> ~world famous atheist who now believes in intelligent design.
>
> But is Flews conversion what it seems to be? Depending on whom you
> ask, Antony Flew is either a true convert whose lifelong intellectual
> searchings finally brought him to God or a senescent scholar possibly
> being exploited by his associates. The version you prefer will depend
> on how you interpret a story that began 20 years ago, when some
> evangelical Christians found an atheist who, they thought, might be
> persuaded to join their side. In the intellectual tug of war that
> ensued, Flew himself " a continent away, his memory failing, without an
> Internet connection " had no idea how fiercely he was being fought over
> or how many of his acquaintances were calling or writing him just to
> shore up their cases. For a time, Flew hardly spoke to the media,
> leaving evangelicals and atheists to trade interpretations of his rare,
> oracular pronouncements. Was he now a believer in intelligent design?
> In Christianity? In some vague, intelligent life force? With the
> publication of his new book, Flew is once again talking, and this
> summer I traveled to England to speak with him. But as I discovered, a
> conversation with him confuses more than it clarifies. With his powers
> in decline, Antony Flew, a man who devoted his life to rational
> argument, has become a mere symbol, a trophy in a battle fought by
> people whose agendas he does not fully understand.
>
> THE STARTLING ARTICLE appeared on Dec. 9, 2004. A British philosophy
> professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a
> half-century has changed his mind, Richard Ostling of The Associated
> Press wrote. He now believes in God " more or less " based on
> scientific evidence and says so on a video released Thursday. At age
> 81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has
> concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have
> created the universe. A superintelligence is the only good explanation
> for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a
> telephone interview from England.
>
> The video released Thursday was Has Science Discovered God? a DVD
> of a May 2004 conversation, held in a television studio at New York
> University, between Flew and two popular advocates of theism, the
> Orthodox Jewish physicist Gerald Schroeder and the Christian
> philosopher John Haldane. There are long stretches of Schroeder,
> sitting behind what looks like an anchormans desk, lecturing an
> attentive Flew on matters like the unlikelihood that an infinite number
> of monkeys typing randomly would ever produce a Shakespearean sonnet.
> (He is rebutting Stephen Hawking, who argues in A Brief History of
> Time that nature, given enough time, can perform the wondrous feats
> that credulous people attribute to God.) Schroeder also talks about the
> Cambrian explosion of animal species hundreds of millions of years ago,
> which he says happened too suddenly to lack some supernatural guidance.
> Haldane chimes in to argue that certain human capabilities, like
> language and reproduction, can be explained only by a higher
> intelligence. Meanwhile, a narrator, talking as photographs of Werner
> Heisenberg and Albert Einstein appear on screen and Vivaldi plays in
> the background, says things like, Many of the greatest scientists of
> all time believed that the intelligence of the universe, its laws,
> points to an intelligence that has no limitation.
>
> When at last Flew speaks, his diction is halting, in stark contrast to
> Schroeder and Haldane, both younger men, forceful and assured. Under
> their prodding, Flew concedes that the Big Bang could be described in
> Genesis; that the complexity of DNA strongly points to an
> intelligence; and that the existence of evil is not an insurmountable
> problem for the existence of God. In short, Flew retracts decades
> worth of conclusions on which he built his career. At one point,
> Haldane is noticeably smiling, embarrassed (or pleased) by Flews
> acquiesence. After one brief lecture from Schroeder, arguing that the
> origin of life can be seen as a form of revelation, Flew says, I dont
> see any way to meet that argument at the moment.
>
> The last segment of the DVD is a short infomercial for The Wonder of
> the World, a book by Roy Abraham Varghese, who, it happens, helped pay
> for the DVDs production, and financed the participants trips to New
> York. Varghese is a 49-year-old American business consultant of Indian
> ancestry, a practitioner of the Eastern Catholic Syro-Malankara rite
> and a tireless crusader for (and financial backer of) those who believe
> that scientific research helps verify the existence of God. Through the
> Institute for MetaScientific Research, his one-man shop in Dallas, he
> sponsors conferences and debates, and it was at a Dallas conference in
> 1985 that Varghese first met Flew.
>
> Ive been involved with him for 20 years or more, Varghese told me in
> August. Since meeting Flew, Varghese had him down to Dallas several
> times, talked with him often and periodically sent him readings in
> theism. When Varghese convened the N.Y.U. discussion, he said he hoped
> that Schroeder and Haldane, both skillful advocates for belief in God,
> might carry Flew further in the direction Varghese had been leading
> him. I knew that he was in that frame of mind " that there was no
> naturalistic explanation for the world, Varghese said. But at that
> event, he went further, saying the only explanation was that there was
> a God.
>
> It was Varghese who sent the DVD to the media, for which he was
> rewarded, in early December 2004, with articles from the A.P.s Ostling
> and from Fox News, ABC News and a host of religious news wires. On Dec.
> 16, Varghese contributed an op-ed article to The Dallas Morning News
> that read, Last week, The Associated Press broke the news that the
> most famous atheist in the academic world . . . now accepts the
> existence of God. Varghese did not mention that the AP broke the
> news thanks to his own press release, which accompanied the DVD (which
> he helped pay for) of the conversation (which he paid for).
>
> Varghese was not the only Christian to befriend Flew. Weve been
> friends for 22 years, Gary Habermas told me in late July. Habermas, a
> professor at Liberty University, founded by Jerry Falwell, met Flew at
> Vargheses Dallas confab in 1985; later that year, he invited Flew to
> Liberty University to debate the Resurrection. Since then, Tony and I
> have dialogued five times, three times on the Resurrection, Habermas
> said, using Flews nickname. I dont know how many letters weve
> written back and forth " dozens. I havent talked to Tony for about two
> months now, but we talk every couple months on the phone. Habermas
> told me that in his letters, Flew tested shifting reasons for his
> newfound belief in God, sometimes saying he believed in intelligent
> design, other times saying only Aristotles notion of a prime mover
> was persuasive. Indeed, Flew has never offered a detailed explanation
> of what he believes, preferring to use terms like Aristotelian deist
> that connote both an assent to a higher intelligence and a resistance
> to the idea of a personal god.
>
> As Flews profile in the Christian world rose, he was also courted by
> Biola University, the conservative Christian school outside Los
> Angeles. On May 11, 2006, Biola awarded Flew the second Phillip E.
> Johnson Award for Liberty and Truth, named for the author of Darwin on
> Trial. At the Biola ceremony, Flew mocked the revealed religion of his
> audience and flaunted his allegiance to deism: The deist god, unlike
> the god of the Jewish, Christian or, for heavens sake, the Islamic
> revelation, is neither interested in nor concerned about either human
> beliefs or human behavior, he told the small crowd. Jim Underdown, who
> was there reporting for a skeptics think tank, said he was surprised
> that the Christians would want him. But the Christians, it turned out,
> were not concerned.
>
> THE NARRATIVE TOLD by Flews Christian friends " and in some of Flews
> own pronouncements " has a certain coherence. About 20 years ago, they
> say, intrigued by the science of the Big Bang, Flew began to pay
> respectful attention to Christian apologists (and to the Jewish
> Schroeder) who believe that science now supports a sudden creation
> story that resembles the one in Genesis. These men promised Flew that
> new scientific research, far from being the enemy of revealed religion,
> argued for a God. And, in fact, a number of esteemed scientists were,
> in the mid-80s, talking about their interest in religion. Some, for
> example, accepted evolution as a fact but asked if it might serve a
> divine purpose, or they accepted the scientific method but tried to
> apply it to theological questions. And many of these God-curious
> scientists, like the mathematician John Barrow, the physicists Paul
> Davies and John Polkinghorne and the chemist Arthur Peacocke, were
> English. (Polkinghorne and Peacocke were ordained in the Church of
> England.) This group has since grown in prominence, and its attempts to
> create a nexus of science and religion were very influential on the men
> who, in turn, influenced Flew. Mindful of even greater men, from Newton
> to Einstein, whose words can be read to endorse the possibility of a
> divine creator, Flew at last joined their ranks. Flew had always
> possessed a restless, even eccentric intellect, and this was just
> another turn in his career, albeit a surprising one.
>
> Or perhaps not so surprising, for Flew never considered himself a
> dogmatic atheist. Even when he traveled the world arguing against
> religious belief, he was never an angry polemicist; a preachers son,
> he had none of the bewildered animosity that characterizes many
> nonbelievers. Always respectful of his opponents, he exhibited an
> unusual curiosity about their beliefs. Flews first book, in 1953, was
> about the possibility (which he ultimately rejected) of paranormal
> phenomena like ESP. Flew also had a longstanding affinity for
> conservative politics " he was an adviser to Margaret Thatcher " that
> made him unusually approachable for some Christians. In the light of
> his natal comfort with religious folk and his agreeable politics,
> Flews eventual alliance with Christians doesnt seem so strange.
>
> But what is a coherent narrative from one perspective is strikingly
> incomplete from another. For while Habermas and Varghese, Schroeder and
> Haldane were urging Flew toward theism, an atheist from America was
> fighting back. They sent Flew articles " and he sent Flew articles.
> They thought they were winning " but so did he.
>
> Richard Carrier, a 37-year-old doctoral student in ancient history at
> Columbia, is a type recognizable to anyone who has spent much time at a
> chess tournament or a sci-fi convention or a skeptics conference. He
> is young, male and brilliant, with an obsessive streak both admirable
> and a little debilitating. In the time that he hasnt finished his
> dissertation, Carrier has self-published a 444-page magnum opus called
> Sense and Goodness Without God: A Defense of Metaphysical
> Naturalism. (According to its Amazon.com description, the book offers
> a complete worldview . . . covering every subject from knowledge to
> art, from metaphysics to morality, from theology to politics.) He is a
> contributor to Skeptical Inquirer magazine and the former editor of the
> online community Secular Web. And in August 2004 Carrier turned his
> formidable intellect, and sense of purpose, toward Flew.
>
> Carrier first wrote to Flew in 2001, when an early, unfounded rumor on
> the Web claimed that Flew had become a believer. This time, however,
> Carrier was hearing louder rumblings: a positive review that Flew wrote
> of Vargheses book promoting theism; kind words Flew supposedly had for
> Gerald Schroeder; an e-mail message from the Christian apologist
> William Lane Craig, stating that Flew told a third party that he had
> seen sound arguments for the existence of God. Carrier did not yet know
> about the N.Y.U. meeting or the forthcoming DVD, but he already had
> cause for concern. In a long letter, Carrier asked Flew to confirm or
> deny what he hoped were calumnies on Flews good name, and he provided
> a Web address for his own article refuting Schroeder.
>
> On Sept. 3, in his small, sufficiently legible hand, Flew replied.
> (Carrier posted short excerpts from Flews letters online, but he has
> sent me computer scans of the entire correspondence.)
>
> Thank you for your letter, which reached me today, Flew wrote. I
> have for a long time been inclined to believe in an Aristotelian God
> who (or which) does not intervene in the Universe. . . . I am still
> thinking about the implications of, in particular, Schroeders books,
> which Varghese had sent him. If I ever become competent to read
> anything off the Internet . . . I will be eager to read your objections
> to Schroeder. I have met him, and I was much impressed.
>
> Carrier was not satisfied. He replied immediately, helpfully enclosing
> a lot of reading material for your benefit, including his Web article
> on Schroeder, a more scholarly article that he wrote for the journal
> Biology & Philosophy and " the pice de chutzpah " a four-page
> questionnaire for Flew to fill out. The questions ranged from the
> relevant, if barbed (Should we believe claims open to scientific
> evaluation that are not accepted by the vast majority of the scientific
> community?) to the invasive and rather trivial (Have you attended
> Quaker meetings, and is there anything about Quaker religious doctrine
> that you find attractive?).
>
> On Oct. 19, Flew sent back the completed questionnaire. In his answers,
> he wrote that he agreed with Schroeder that Genesis anticipated later
> scientific findings, but he retained his distaste for the Old Testament
> God, who makes threats of eternal torture. That God should not, Flew
> wrote, be confused with the noninterfering God of the people called
> Deists " such as Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin.
>
> Carrier replied with a letter of 2,000 words that moves from
> solicitousness (I am writing this time to convey the concern of myself
> and numerous colleagues) to brute candor (There is absolutely no
> scientific basis for your position) to self-regard (I have also
> enclosed an excerpt from my forthcoming book summarizing the current
> science on this subject). Above all, though, the tone is one of
> exasperation. Flew, he sees, has been taken to dinner by the theists,
> has been fed questionable science and swallowed it with pleasure.
> Carrier is fighting a rear-guard action, via snail mail, from a
> continent away.
>
> But to understand this, Carrier pleads, you must examine the most
> current science on this subject, not what theists tell you and not what
> scientists were saying 20 years ago. Everything has changed. Dont you
> agree it is your intellectual responsibility to get up to date on this,
> before making any decisions regarding what to believe? It worries us
> that you may be shirking this responsibility.
>
> Amazingly, this epistolary pummeling worked. When Flew wrote back on
> Dec. 24, two weeks after the Associated Press story, he had changed his
> mind. I simply but apparently mistakenly believed that Schroeder " a
> man whom I was told had taught at M.I.T. and was now working at the
> Weizmann Institute in Jerusalem " would be up to date. Clearly he was
> not. As if in payment for Carriers multiple enclosures, Flew sent an
> enclosure of his own: an order form for an anti-European Union book
> called England Our England.
>
> Further letters brought further backpedaling. In his letter of Jan. 2,
> 2005, Flew says that if the so confident, atheist polemicist Richard
> Dawkins tells him that Schroeder is wrong, he will admit that
> Schroeder is wrong. But he assumes that Dawkins accepts Schroeders
> arguments, since Dawkins made no reference to your article. Its
> truly odd: Flew says he believes that since Dawkins failed to cite the
> graduate student Richard Carrier attacking Schroeder, then Schroeders
> scholarship is likely sound. In other words, if Flew was misled, he can
> blame Dawkins, who holds an Oxford professorship in the public
> understanding of science yet failed to inform his public that
> Schroeder was a crank. Nonetheless, Flew promises Carrier, he is
> prepared to reject Schroeder. Flew once believed that Genesis might be
> scientifically accurate, but as it is not, thats that. I am rather
> sorry.
>
> Flews second thoughts did not stop at Schroeder. At about the same
> time, according to Paul Kurtz, whose freethinking Prometheus Books
> published several of Flews works, Flew expressed doubts about Roy
> Varghese. Hes told us that hes sorry that he trusted Roy, Kurtz
> told me. He placed his confidence in him, thought he was a leading
> scientist. Flews misgivings also prompted him to revise an essay that
> he was writing for Kurtz, an introduction to Prometheuss new 2005
> edition of his 1966 book God and Philosophy. In an early draft of the
> introduction, which Flew shared with Carrier, and Carrier with me, Flew
> identifies himself as a deist, but in the published version, that
> passage has been deleted. In his letter to Carrier of Feb. 13, 2005,
> Flew gives the American credit for stopping him at the brink of belief:
> Thanks above all to your advice, I have been able to stop the press at
> Prometheus, and they will be incorporating a radically rewritten new
> Introduction.
>
> Flew sent three further letters to Carrier. In the first, dated Feb.
> 19, he again thanks Carrier for his help with the introduction, then
> adds, I am since yesterday resolved to make no more statements about
> religion for publication. And in the last, on June 22, Flew retracts,
> rather poignantly, praise he had offered for one of Gary Habermass
> books: The statement which I most regret making during the last few
> months was the one about Habermass book on the alleged resurrection of
> Jesus bar Joseph. I completely forgot Humes to my mind decisive
> argument against all evidence for the miraculous. A sign of physical
> decline.
>
> TWO YEARS LATER, Flews doubts have disappeared, and the philosopher
> has a reinvigorated faith in his theistic friends. In his new book, he
> freely cites Schroeder, Haldane and Varghese. And the author who two
> years ago was forgetting his Hume is, in the forthcoming volume, deeply
> read in many philosophers " John Leslie, John Foster, Thomas Tracy,
> Brian Leftow " rarely if ever mentioned in his letters, articles or
> books. Its as if hes a new man.
>
> In August, I visited Flew in Reading. His house, sparsely furnished,
> sits on a small plot on a busy street, hard against its neighbors. It
> could belong to a retired government clerk or to a career military man
> who at last has resettled in the mother country. Inside, it seems very
> English, with the worn, muted colors of a BBC production from the
> 1970s. The house may lack an Internet connection, but it does have one
> very friendly cat, who sat beside me on the sofa. I visited on two
> consecutive days, and each day Annis, Flews wife of 55 years, served
> me a glass of water and left me in the sitting room to ask her husband
> a series of tough, indeed rather cruel, questions.
>
> In There Is a God, Flew quotes extensively from a conversation he had
> with Leftow, a professor at Oxford. So I asked Flew, Do you know Brian
> Leftow?
>
> No, he said. I dont think I do.
>
> Do you know the work of the philosopher John Leslie? Leslie is
> discussed extensively in the book.
>
> Flew paused, seeming unsure. I think hes quite good. But he said he
> did not remember the specifics of Leslies work.
>
> Have you ever run across the philosopher Paul Davies? In his book,
> Flew calls Paul Davies arguably the most influential contemporary
> expositor of modern science.
>
> Im afraid this is a spectacle of my not remembering!
>
> He said this with a laugh. When we began the interview, he warned me,
> with merry self-deprecation, that he suffers from nominal aphasia, or
> the inability to reproduce names. But he forgot more than names. He
> didnt remember talking with Paul Kurtz about his introduction to God
> and Philosophy just two years ago. There were words in his book, like
> abiogenesis, that now he could not define. When I asked about Gary
> Habermas, who told me that he and Flew had been friends for 22 years
> and exchanged dozens of letters, Flew said, He and I met at a
> debate, I think. I pointed out to him that in his earlier
> philosophical work he argued that the mere concept of God was
> incoherent, so if he was now a theist, he must reject huge chunks of
> his old philosophy. Yes, maybe theres a major inconsistency there,
> he said, seeming grateful for my insight. And he seemed generally
> uninterested in the content of his book " he spent far more time
> talking about the dangers of unchecked Muslim immigration and his
> embrace of the anti-E.U. United Kingdom Independence Party.
>
> As he himself conceded, he had not written his book.
>
> This is really Roys doing, he said, before I had even figured out a
> polite way to ask. He showed it to me, and I said O.K. Im too old for
> this kind of work!
>
> When I asked Varghese, he freely admitted that the book was his idea
> and that he had done all the original writing for it. But he made the
> book sound like more of a joint effort " slightly more, anyway. There
> was stuff he had written before, and some of that was adapted to this,
> Varghese said. There is stuff hed written to me in correspondence,
> and I organized a lot of it. And I had interviews with him. So those
> three elements went into it. Oh, and I exposed him to certain authors
> and got his views on them. We pulled it together. And then to make it
> more reader-friendly, HarperCollins had a more popular author go
> through it.
>
> So even the ghostwriter had a ghostwriter: Bob Hostetler, an
> evangelical pastor and author from Ohio, rewrote many passages,
> especially in the section that narrates Flews childhood. With three
> authors, how much Flew was left in the book? He went through
> everything, was happy with everything, Varghese said.
>
> Cynthia DiTiberio, the editor who acquired There Is a God for
> HarperOne, told me that Hostetlers work was limited; she called him
> an extensive copy editor. He did the kind of thing I would have done
> if I had the time, DiTiberio said, but editors dont get any editing
> done in the office; we have to do that in our own time.
>
> I then asked DiTiberio if it was ethical to publish a book under Flews
> name that cites sources Flew doesnt know well enough to discuss. I
> see your struggle and confusion, she said, but she maintained that the
> book is an accurate presentation of Flews views. I dont think Tony
> would have allowed us to put in anything he was not comfortable with or
> familiar with, she said. I mean, it is hard to tell at this point how
> much is him getting older. In my communications with him, there are
> times you have to say things a couple times. Im not sure what that is.
> I wish I could tell you more. . . We were hindered by the fact that he
> is older, but it would do the world a disservice not to have the book
> out there, regardless of how it was made.
>
> MANY AUTHORS DON'T WRITE their own books. Some dont even read them:
> sports fans will remember when the basketball player Charles Barkley
> complained that he was misquoted in his own autobiography. It could be
> that two years ago, when Varghese started writing Flews book, Flew was
> a fuller partner in the process than he remembers (the section on
> Flews childhood could hardly have been written without his
> cooperation). And perhaps he was recently reading those philosophers
> whose names he now does not recognize. Two years ago, he might have had
> a fruitful conversation with Brian Leftow, a man he does not remember.
> Two years ago, he and Gary Habermas might indeed have been good friends.
>
> But it seems somewhat more likely that Flew, having been intellectually
> chaperoned by Roy Varghese for 20 years, simply trusted him to write
> something responsible. Varghese had done him so many kindnesses. He
> introduced Flew to Gerald Schroeder and John Haldane, and, I learned,
> he flew to England to chauffeur Flew to meetings with Leftow and the
> Christian philosopher Richard Swinburne (although when Leftow and
> Swinburne appear in the book, the conversations are described as if
> Varghese were not present). Varghese also gave Flew adventures, jetting
> him to Dallas and New York, putting him in a DVD documentary, getting
> his name in the papers. If at times Flew could be persuaded, by a
> letter or a phone call from an American atheist, that Varghese and his
> crew were not the eminent authorities on science they made themselves
> out to be, he was always happy to change his mind back. These
> Christians were kind and attentive, and they always seemed to have the
> latest research.
>
> To believe that Flew has been exploited is not to conclude that his
> exploiters acted with malice. If Flew in his dotage was a bit gullible,
> Varghese had a gullibility of his own. An autodidact with no academic
> credentials, Varghese was clearly thrilled to be taken seriously by an
> Oxford-trained philosopher; it may never have occurred to him that so
> educated a mind could be in decline. Habermas, too, speaks of Flew with
> a genuine reverence and seems proud of the friendship.
>
> Intellectuals, even more than the rest of us, like to believe that they
> reach conclusions solely through study and reflection. But like the
> rest of us, they sometimes choose their opinions to suit their friends
> rather than the other way around. Which means that Flew is likely to
> remain a theist, for just as the Christians drew him close, the
> atheists gave him up for lost. He once was a great philosopher,
> Richard Dawkins, the Oxford biologist and author of The God Delusion,
> told a Virginia audience last year. Its very sad. Paul Kurtz of
> Prometheus Books says he thinks Flew is being exploited. Theyre
> misusing him, Kurtz says, referring to the Christians. Theyre
> worried about atheists, and theyre trying to find an atheist to be on
> their side.
>
> They found one, and with less difficulty than atheists would have
> guessed. From the start, the believers affection for Antony Flew was
> not unrequited. When Flew met Christians who claimed to have new,
> scientific proof of the existence of God, he quickly became again the
> young graduate student who embarked on a study of the paranormal when
> all his colleagues were committed to strict rationalism. He may, too,
> have connected with the child who was raised in his parents warm,
> faithful Methodism. Flews colleagues will wonder how he could sign a
> petition to the prime minister in favor of intelligent design, but it
> becomes more understandable if the signatory never hated religious
> belief the way many philosophers do and if he never hated religious
> people in the least. At a time when belief in God is more polarizing
> than it has been in years, when all believers are being blamed for
> religions worst excesses, Antony Flew has quietly switched sides, just
> following the evidence as it has been explained to him, blissfully
> unaware of what others have at stake.
>
> [Mark Oppenheimer is coordinator of the Yale Journalism Initiative and
> editor of The New Haven Review. He last wrote for the magazine about
> the Hollywood acting coach Milton Katselas.]
>
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The Turning of an Atheist (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)

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The New York Times Magazine - Nov 4, 2007
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/magazine/04Flew-t.html

The Turning of an Atheist

By MARK OPPENHEIMER

Unless you are a professional philosopher or a committed atheist, you
probably have not heard of Antony Flew. Eighty-four years old and long
retired, Flew lives with his wife in Reading, a medium-size town on the
Thames an hour west of London. Over a long career he held appointments
at a series of decent regional universities " Aberdeen, Keele, Reading
" and earned a strong reputation writing on an unusual range of topics,
from Hume to immortality to Darwin. His greatest contribution remains
his first, a short paper from 1950 called Theology and Falsification.
Flew was a precocious 27 when he delivered the paper at a meeting of
the Socratic Club, the Oxford salon presided over by C. S. Lewis.
Reprinted in dozens of anthologies, Theology and Falsification has
become a heroic tract for committed atheists. In a masterfully terse
thousand words, Flew argues that God is too vague a concept to be
meaningful. For if Gods greatness entails being invisible, intangible
and inscrutable, then he cant be disproved " but nor can he be proved.
Such powerful but simply stated arguments made Flew popular on the
campus speaking circuit; videos from debates in the 1970s show a lanky
man, his black hair professorially unkempt, vivisecting religious
belief with an English public-school accent perfect for the seduction
of American ears. Before the current crop of atheist crusader-authors "
Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Christopher Hitchens " there was
Antony Flew.

Flews fame is about to spread beyond the atheists and philosophers.
HarperOne, an imprint of HarperCollins, has just released There Is a
God: How the Worlds Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind, a book
attributed to Flew and a co-author, the Christian apologist Roy Abraham
Varghese. There Is a God is an intellectuals bildungsroman written
in simple language for a mass audience. Its the first-person account
of a preachers son who, away at Methodist boarding school, defied his
father to become a teenage atheist, later wrote on atheism at Oxford,
spent his life fighting for unbelief and then did an about-face in his
old age, embracing the truth of a higher power. The book offers
elegant, user-friendly descriptions of the arguments that persuaded
Flew, arguments familiar to anyone who has heard evangelical
Christians scientific proof of God. From the fine tuning argument
that the laws of nature are too perfect to have been accidents to the
intelligent design argument that human biology cannot be explained by
evolution to various computations meant to show that probability favors
a divine creator, There Is a God is perhaps the handiest primer ever
written on the science (many would say pseudoscience) of religious
belief.

Flews conversion, first reported in late 2004, has cast him into
culture wars that he contentedly avoided his whole life. Although Flew
still rejects Christianity, saying only that he now believes in an
intelligence that explains both its own existence and that of the
world, evangelicals are understandably excited. For them, Flew has
become very useful, very quickly. In late 2006, Flew was among the
signers of a letter to Tony Blair asking that intelligent design be
included in the British science curriculum. Flews fame has reached
even to small-town Pennsylvania, where in 2005 Judge John E. Jones
cited Flew in his landmark decision prohibiting the teaching of
intelligent design in the town of Dover. Referring to a publication of
the Dover School Board, Jones wrote that the newsletter all but admits
that I.D. is religious by quoting Anthony [sic] Flew, described as a
~world famous atheist who now believes in intelligent design.

But is Flews conversion what it seems to be? Depending on whom you
ask, Antony Flew is either a true convert whose lifelong intellectual
searchings finally brought him to God or a senescent scholar possibly
being exploited by his associates. The version you prefer will depend
on how you interpret a story that began 20 years ago, when some
evangelical Christians found an atheist who, they thought, might be
persuaded to join their side. In the intellectual tug of war that
ensued, Flew himself " a continent away, his memory failing, without an
Internet connection " had no idea how fiercely he was being fought over
or how many of his acquaintances were calling or writing him just to
shore up their cases. For a time, Flew hardly spoke to the media,
leaving evangelicals and atheists to trade interpretations of his rare,
oracular pronouncements. Was he now a believer in intelligent design?
In Christianity? In some vague, intelligent life force? With the
publication of his new book, Flew is once again talking, and this
summer I traveled to England to speak with him. But as I discovered, a
conversation with him confuses more than it clarifies. With his powers
in decline, Antony Flew, a man who devoted his life to rational
argument, has become a mere symbol, a trophy in a battle fought by
people whose agendas he does not fully understand.

THE STARTLING ARTICLE appeared on Dec. 9, 2004. A British philosophy
professor who has been a leading champion of atheism for more than a
half-century has changed his mind, Richard Ostling of The Associated
Press wrote. He now believes in God " more or less " based on
scientific evidence and says so on a video released Thursday. At age
81, after decades of insisting belief is a mistake, Antony Flew has
concluded that some sort of intelligence or first cause must have
created the universe. A superintelligence is the only good explanation
for the origin of life and the complexity of nature, Flew said in a
telephone interview from England.

The video released Thursday was Has Science Discovered God? a DVD
of a May 2004 conversation, held in a television studio at New York
University, between Flew and two popular advocates of theism, the
Orthodox Jewish physicist Gerald Schroeder and the Christian
philosopher John Haldane. There are long stretches of Schroeder,
sitting behind what looks like an anchormans desk, lecturing an
attentive Flew on matters like the unlikelihood that an infinite number
of monkeys typing randomly would ever produce a Shakespearean sonnet.
(He is rebutting Stephen Hawking, who argues in A Brief History of
Time that nature, given enough time, can perform the wondrous feats
that credulous people attribute to God.) Schroeder also talks about the
Cambrian explosion of animal species hundreds of millions of years ago,
which he says happened too suddenly to lack some supernatural guidance.
Haldane chimes in to argue that certain human capabilities, like
language and reproduction, can be explained only by a higher
intelligence. Meanwhile, a narrator, talking as photographs of Werner
Heisenberg and Albert Einstein appear on screen and Vivaldi plays in
the background, says things like, Many of the greatest scientists of
all time believed that the intelligence of the universe, its laws,
points to an intelligence that has no limitation.

When at last Flew speaks, his diction is halting, in stark contrast to
Schroeder and Haldane, both younger men, forceful and assured. Under
their prodding, Flew concedes that the Big Bang could be described in
Genesis; that the complexity of DNA strongly points to an
intelligence; and that the existence of evil is not an insurmountable
problem for the existence of God. In short, Flew retracts decades
worth of conclusions on which he built his career. At one point,
Haldane is noticeably smiling, embarrassed (or pleased) by Flews
acquiesence. After one brief lecture from Schroeder, arguing that the
origin of life can be seen as a form of revelation, Flew says, I dont
see any way to meet that argument at the moment.

The last segment of the DVD is a short infomercial for The Wonder of
the World, a book by Roy Abraham Varghese, who, it happens, helped pay
for the DVDs production, and financed the participants trips to New
York. Varghese is a 49-year-old American business consultant of Indian
ancestry, a practitioner of the Eastern Catholic Syro-Malankara rite
and a tireless crusader for (and financial backer of) those who believe
that scientific research helps verify the existence of God. Through the
Institute for MetaScientific Research, his one-man shop in Dallas, he
sponsors conferences and debates, and it was at a Dallas conference in
1985 that Varghese first met Flew.

Ive been involved with him for 20 years or more, Varghese told me in
August. Since meeting Flew, Varghese had him down to Dallas several
times, talked with him often and periodically sent him readings in
theism. When Varghese convened the N.Y.U. discussion, he said he hoped
that Schroeder and Haldane, both skillful advocates for belief in God,
might carry Flew further in the direction Varghese had been leading
him. I knew that he was in that frame of mind " that there was no
naturalistic explanation for the world, Varghese said. But at that
event, he went further, saying the only explanation was that there was
a God.

It was Varghese who sent the DVD to the media, for which he was
rewarded, in early December 2004, with articles from the A.P.s Ostling
and from Fox News, ABC News and a host of religious news wires. On Dec.
16, Varghese contributed an op-ed article to The Dallas Morning News
that read, Last week, The Associated Press broke the news that the
most famous atheist in the academic world . . . now accepts the
existence of God. Varghese did not mention that the AP broke the
news thanks to his own press release, which accompanied the DVD (which
he helped pay for) of the conversation (which he paid for).

Varghese was not the only Christian to befriend Flew. Weve been
friends for 22 years, Gary Habermas told me in late July. Habermas, a
professor at Liberty University, founded by Jerry Falwell, met Flew at
Vargheses Dallas confab in 1985; later that year, he invited Flew to
Liberty University to debate the Resurrection. Since then, Tony and I
have dialogued five times, three times on the Resurrection, Habermas
said, using Flews nickname. I dont know how many letters weve
written back and forth " dozens. I havent talked to Tony for about two
months now, but we talk every couple months on the phone. Habermas
told me that in his letters, Flew tested shifting reasons for his
newfound belief in God, sometimes saying he believed in intelligent
design, other times saying only Aristotles notion of a prime mover
was persuasive. Indeed, Flew has never offered a detailed explanation
of what he believes, preferring to use terms like Aristotelian deist
that connote both an assent to a higher intelligence and a resistance
to the idea of a personal god.

As Flews profile in the Christian world rose, he was also courted by
Biola University, the conservative Christian school outside Los
Angeles. On May 11, 2006, Biola awarded Flew the second Phillip E.
Johnson Award for Liberty and Truth, named for the author of Darwin on
Trial. At the Biola ceremony, Flew mocked the revealed religion of his
audience and flaunted his allegiance to deism: The deist god, unlike
the god of the Jewish, Christian or, for heavens sake, the Islamic
revelation, is neither interested in nor concerned about either human
beliefs or human behavior, he told the small crowd. Jim Underdown, who
was there reporting for a skeptics think tank, said he was surprised
that the Christians would want him. But the Christians, it turned out,
were not concerned.

THE NARRATIVE TOLD by Flews Christian friends " and in some of Flews
own pronouncements " has a certain coherence. About 20 years ago, they
say, intrigued by the science of the Big Bang, Flew began to pay
respectful attention to Christian apologists (and to the Jewish
Schroeder) who believe that science now supports a sudden creation
story that resembles the one in Genesis. These men promised Flew that
new scientific research, far from being the enemy of revealed religion,
argued for a God. And, in fact, a number of esteemed scientists were,
in the mid-80s, talking about their interest in religion. Some, for
example, accepted evolution as a fact but asked if it might serve a
divine purpose, or they accepted the scientific method but tried to
apply it to theological questions. And many of these God-curious
scientists, like the mathematician John Barrow, the physicists Paul
Davies and John Polkinghorne and the chemist Arthur Peacocke, were
English. (Polkinghorne and Peacocke were ordained in the Church of
England.) This group has since grown in prominence, and its attempts to
create a nexus of science and religion were very influential on the men
who, in turn, influenced Flew. Mindful of even greater men, from Newton
to Einstein, whose words can be read to endorse the possibility of a
divine creator, Flew at last joined their ranks. Flew had always
possessed a restless, even eccentric intellect, and this was just
another turn in his career, albeit a surprising one.

Or perhaps not so surprising, for Flew never considered himself a
dogmatic atheist. Even when he traveled the world arguing against
religious belief, he was never an angry polemicist; a preachers son,
he had none of the bewildered animosity that characterizes many
nonbelievers. Always respectful of his opponents, he exhibited an
unusual curiosity about their beliefs. Flews first book, in 1953, was
about the possibility (which he ultimately rejected) of paranormal
phenomena like ESP. Flew also had a longstanding affinity for
conservative politics " he was an adviser to Margaret Thatcher " that
made him unusually approachable for some Christians. In the light of
his natal comfort with religious folk and his agreeable politics,
Flews eventual alliance with Christians doesnt seem so strange.

But what is a coherent narrative from one perspective is strikingly
incomplete from another. For while Habermas and Varghese, Schroeder and
Haldane were urging Flew toward theism, an atheist from America was
fighting back. They sent Flew articles " and he sent Flew articles.
They thought they were winning " but so did he.

Richard Carrier, a 37-year-old doctoral student in ancient history at
Columbia, is a type recognizable to anyone who has spent much time at a
chess tournament or a sci-fi convention or a skeptics conference. He
is young, male and brilliant, with an obsessive streak both admirable
and a little debilitating. In the time that he hasnt finished his
dissertation, Carrier has self-published a 444-page magnum opus called
Sense and Goodness Without God: A Defense of Metaphysical
Naturalism. (According to its Amazon.com description, the book offers
a complete worldview . . . covering every subject from knowledge to
art, from metaphysics to morality, from theology to politics.) He is a
contributor to Skeptical Inquirer magazine and the former editor of the
online community Secular Web. And in August 2004 Carrier turned his
formidable intellect, and sense of purpose, toward Flew.

Carrier first wrote to Flew in 2001, when an early, unfounded rumor on
the Web claimed that Flew had become a believer. This time, however,
Carrier was hearing louder rumblings: a positive review that Flew wrote
of Vargheses book promoting theism; kind words Flew supposedly had for
Gerald Schroeder; an e-mail message from the Christian apologist
William Lane Craig, stating that Flew told a third party that he had
seen sound arguments for the existence of God. Carrier did not yet know
about the N.Y.U. meeting or the forthcoming DVD, but he already had
cause for concern. In a long letter, Carrier asked Flew to confirm or
deny what he hoped were calumnies on Flews good name, and he provided
a Web address for his own article refuting Schroeder.

On Sept. 3, in his small, sufficiently legible hand, Flew replied.
(Carrier posted short excerpts from Flews letters online, but he has
sent me computer scans of the entire correspondence.)

Thank you for your letter, which reached me today, Flew wrote. I
have for a long time been inclined to believe in an Aristotelian God
who (or which) does not intervene in the Universe. . . . I am still
thinking about the implications of, in particular, Schroeders books,
which Varghese had sent him. If I ever become competent to read
anything off the Internet . . . I will be eager to read your objections
to Schroeder. I have met him, and I was much impressed.

Carrier was not satisfied. He replied immediately, helpfully enclosing
a lot of reading material for your benefit, including his Web article
on Schroeder, a more scholarly article that he wrote for the journal
Biology & Philosophy and " the pice de chutzpah " a four-page
questionnaire for Flew to fill out. The questions ranged from the
relevant, if barbed (Should we believe claims open to scientific
evaluation that are not accepted by the vast majority of the scientific
community?) to the invasive and rather trivial (Have you attended
Quaker meetings, and is there anything about Quaker religious doctrine
that you find attractive?).

On Oct. 19, Flew sent back the completed questionnaire. In his answers,
he wrote that he agreed with Schroeder that Genesis anticipated later
scientific findings, but he retained his distaste for the Old Testament
God, who makes threats of eternal torture. That God should not, Flew
wrote, be confused with the noninterfering God of the people called
Deists " such as Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin.

Carrier replied with a letter of 2,000 words that moves from
solicitousness (I am writing this time to convey the concern of myself
and numerous colleagues) to brute candor (There is absolutely no
scientific basis for your position) to self-regard (I have also
enclosed an excerpt from my forthcoming book summarizing the current
science on this subject). Above all, though, the tone is one of
exasperation. Flew, he sees, has been taken to dinner by the theists,
has been fed questionable science and swallowed it with pleasure.
Carrier is fighting a rear-guard action, via snail mail, from a
continent away.

But to understand this, Carrier pleads, you must examine the most
current science on this subject, not what theists tell you and not what
scientists were saying 20 years ago. Everything has changed. Dont you
agree it is your intellectual responsibility to get up to date on this,
before making any decisions regarding what to believe? It worries us
that you may be shirking this responsibility.

Amazingly, this epistolary pummeling worked. When Flew wrote back on
Dec. 24, two weeks after the Associated Press story, he had changed his
mind. I simply but apparently mistakenly believed that Schroeder " a
man whom I was told had taught at M.I.T. and was now working at the
Weizmann Institute in Jerusalem " would be up to date. Clearly he was
not. As if in payment for Carriers multiple enclosures, Flew sent an
enclosure of his own: an order form for an anti-European Union book
called England Our England.

Further letters brought further backpedaling. In his letter of Jan. 2,
2005, Flew says that if the so confident, atheist polemicist Richard
Dawkins tells him that Schroeder is wrong, he will admit that
Schroeder is wrong. But he assumes that Dawkins accepts Schroeders
arguments, since Dawkins made no reference to your article. Its
truly odd: Flew says he believes that since Dawkins failed to cite the
graduate student Richard Carrier attacking Schroeder, then Schroeders
scholarship is likely sound. In other words, if Flew was misled, he can
blame Dawkins, who holds an Oxford professorship in the public
understanding of science yet failed to inform his public that
Schroeder was a crank. Nonetheless, Flew promises Carrier, he is
prepared to reject Schroeder. Flew once believed that Genesis might be
scientifically accurate, but as it is not, thats that. I am rather
sorry.

Flews second thoughts did not stop at Schroeder. At about the same
time, according to Paul Kurtz, whose freethinking Prometheus Books
published several of Flews works, Flew expressed doubts about Roy
Varghese. Hes told us that hes sorry that he trusted Roy, Kurtz
told me. He placed his confidence in him, thought he was a leading
scientist. Flews misgivings also prompted him to revise an essay that
he was writing for Kurtz, an introduction to Prometheuss new 2005
edition of his 1966 book God and Philosophy. In an early draft of the
introduction, which Flew shared with Carrier, and Carrier with me, Flew
identifies himself as a deist, but in the published version, that
passage has been deleted. In his letter to Carrier of Feb. 13, 2005,
Flew gives the American credit for stopping him at the brink of belief:
Thanks above all to your advice, I have been able to stop the press at
Prometheus, and they will be incorporating a radically rewritten new
Introduction.

Flew sent three further letters to Carrier. In the first, dated Feb.
19, he again thanks Carrier for his help with the introduction, then
adds, I am since yesterday resolved to make no more statements about
religion for publication. And in the last, on June 22, Flew retracts,
rather poignantly, praise he had offered for one of Gary Habermass
books: The statement which I most regret making during the last few
months was the one about Habermass book on the alleged resurrection of
Jesus bar Joseph. I completely forgot Humes to my mind decisive
argument against all evidence for the miraculous. A sign of physical
decline.

TWO YEARS LATER, Flews doubts have disappeared, and the philosopher
has a reinvigorated faith in his theistic friends. In his new book, he
freely cites Schroeder, Haldane and Varghese. And the author who two
years ago was forgetting his Hume is, in the forthcoming volume, deeply
read in many philosophers " John Leslie, John Foster, Thomas Tracy,
Brian Leftow " rarely if ever mentioned in his letters, articles or
books. Its as if hes a new man.

In August, I visited Flew in Reading. His house, sparsely furnished,
sits on a small plot on a busy street, hard against its neighbors. It
could belong to a retired government clerk or to a career military man
who at last has resettled in the mother country. Inside, it seems very
English, with the worn, muted colors of a BBC production from the
1970s. The house may lack an Internet connection, but it does have one
very friendly cat, who sat beside me on the sofa. I visited on two
consecutive days, and each day Annis, Flews wife of 55 years, served
me a glass of water and left me in the sitting room to ask her husband
a series of tough, indeed rather cruel, questions.

In There Is a God, Flew quotes extensively from a conversation he had
with Leftow, a professor at Oxford. So I asked Flew, Do you know Brian
Leftow?

No, he said. I dont think I do.

Do you know the work of the philosopher John Leslie? Leslie is
discussed extensively in the book.

Flew paused, seeming unsure. I think hes quite good. But he said he
did not remember the specifics of Leslies work.

Have you ever run across the philosopher Paul Davies? In his book,
Flew calls Paul Davies arguably the most influential contemporary
expositor of modern science.

Im afraid this is a spectacle of my not remembering!

He said this with a laugh. When we began the interview, he warned me,
with merry self-deprecation, that he suffers from nominal aphasia, or
the inability to reproduce names. But he forgot more than names. He
didnt remember talking with Paul Kurtz about his introduction to God
and Philosophy just two years ago. There were words in his book, like
abiogenesis, that now he could not define. When I asked about Gary
Habermas, who told me that he and Flew had been friends for 22 years
and exchanged dozens of letters, Flew said, He and I met at a
debate, I think. I pointed out to him that in his earlier
philosophical work he argued that the mere concept of God was
incoherent, so if he was now a theist, he must reject huge chunks of
his old philosophy. Yes, maybe theres a major inconsistency there,
he said, seeming grateful for my insight. And he seemed generally
uninterested in the content of his book " he spent far more time
talking about the dangers of unchecked Muslim immigration and his
embrace of the anti-E.U. United Kingdom Independence Party.

As he himself conceded, he had not written his book.

This is really Roys doing, he said, before I had even figured out a
polite way to ask. He showed it to me, and I said O.K. Im too old for
this kind of work!

When I asked Varghese, he freely admitted that the book was his idea
and that he had done all the original writing for it. But he made the
book sound like more of a joint effort " slightly more, anyway. There
was stuff he had written before, and some of that was adapted to this,
Varghese said. There is stuff hed written to me in correspondence,
and I organized a lot of it. And I had interviews with him. So those
three elements went into it. Oh, and I exposed him to certain authors
and got his views on them. We pulled it together. And then to make it
more reader-friendly, HarperCollins had a more popular author go
through it.

So even the ghostwriter had a ghostwriter: Bob Hostetler, an
evangelical pastor and author from Ohio, rewrote many passages,
especially in the section that narrates Flews childhood. With three
authors, how much Flew was left in the book? He went through
everything, was happy with everything, Varghese said.

Cynthia DiTiberio, the editor who acquired There Is a God for
HarperOne, told me that Hostetlers work was limited; she called him
an extensive copy editor. He did the kind of thing I would have done
if I had the time, DiTiberio said, but editors dont get any editing
done in the office; we have to do that in our own time.

I then asked DiTiberio if it was ethical to publish a book under Flews
name that cites sources Flew doesnt know well enough to discuss. I
see your struggle and confusion, she said, but she maintained that the
book is an accurate presentation of Flews views. I dont think Tony
would have allowed us to put in anything he was not comfortable with or
familiar with, she said. I mean, it is hard to tell at this point how
much is him getting older. In my communications with him, there are
times you have to say things a couple times. Im not sure what that is.
I wish I could tell you more. . . We were hindered by the fact that he
is older, but it would do the world a disservice not to have the book
out there, regardless of how it was made.

MANY AUTHORS DON'T WRITE their own books. Some dont even read them:
sports fans will remember when the basketball player Charles Barkley
complained that he was misquoted in his own autobiography. It could be
that two years ago, when Varghese started writing Flews book, Flew was
a fuller partner in the process than he remembers (the section on
Flews childhood could hardly have been written without his
cooperation). And perhaps he was recently reading those philosophers
whose names he now does not recognize. Two years ago, he might have had
a fruitful conversation with Brian Leftow, a man he does not remember.
Two years ago, he and Gary Habermas might indeed have been good friends.

But it seems somewhat more likely that Flew, having been intellectually
chaperoned by Roy Varghese for 20 years, simply trusted him to write
something responsible. Varghese had done him so many kindnesses. He
introduced Flew to Gerald Schroeder and John Haldane, and, I learned,
he flew to England to chauffeur Flew to meetings with Leftow and the
Christian philosopher Richard Swinburne (although when Leftow and
Swinburne appear in the book, the conversations are described as if
Varghese were not present). Varghese also gave Flew adventures, jetting
him to Dallas and New York, putting him in a DVD documentary, getting
his name in the papers. If at times Flew could be persuaded, by a
letter or a phone call from an American atheist, that Varghese and his
crew were not the eminent authorities on science they made themselves
out to be, he was always happy to change his mind back. These
Christians were kind and attentive, and they always seemed to have the
latest research.

To believe that Flew has been exploited is not to conclude that his
exploiters acted with malice. If Flew in his dotage was a bit gullible,
Varghese had a gullibility of his own. An autodidact with no academic
credentials, Varghese was clearly thrilled to be taken seriously by an
Oxford-trained philosopher; it may never have occurred to him that so
educated a mind could be in decline. Habermas, too, speaks of Flew with
a genuine reverence and seems proud of the friendship.

Intellectuals, even more than the rest of us, like to believe that they
reach conclusions solely through study and reflection. But like the
rest of us, they sometimes choose their opinions to suit their friends
rather than the other way around. Which means that Flew is likely to
remain a theist, for just as the Christians drew him close, the
atheists gave him up for lost. He once was a great philosopher,
Richard Dawkins, the Oxford biologist and author of The God Delusion,
told a Virginia audience last year. Its very sad. Paul Kurtz of
Prometheus Books says he thinks Flew is being exploited. Theyre
misusing him, Kurtz says, referring to the Christians. Theyre
worried about atheists, and theyre trying to find an atheist to be on
their side.

They found one, and with less difficulty than atheists would have
guessed. From the start, the believers affection for Antony Flew was
not unrequited. When Flew met Christians who claimed to have new,
scientific proof of the existence of God, he quickly became again the
young graduate student who embarked on a study of the paranormal when
all his colleagues were committed to strict rationalism. He may, too,
have connected with the child who was raised in his parents warm,
faithful Methodism. Flews colleagues will wonder how he could sign a
petition to the prime minister in favor of intelligent design, but it
becomes more understandable if the signatory never hated religious
belief the way many philosophers do and if he never hated religious
people in the least. At a time when belief in God is more polarizing
than it has been in years, when all believers are being blamed for
religions worst excesses, Antony Flew has quietly switched sides, just
following the evidence as it has been explained to him, blissfully
unaware of what others have at stake.

[Mark Oppenheimer is coordinator of the Yale Journalism Initiative and
editor of The New Haven Review. He last wrote for the magazine about
the Hollywood acting coach Milton Katselas.]



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john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> news:il6si3508265okjhjd55p39i9gplt621ec@
4ax.com did commence to show his better side by wasting 550 lines to
establish the fact, that even though he does not know much of anything,
he knows how to garner attention points. It must be all those years are
being narcissistic that are coming to his aid. In his late demented
stage of his life. Either that or he is ate up with, I don't give a ****
whether you like it or not. I suspect, a combination of both. 550
lines, that's probably more than he wrote while he was in university.


From: john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: The Turning of an Atheist (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)
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> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:09:05 GMT, NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org wrote:


>>The Turning of an Atheist (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)


Snip

>>Flews conversion, first reported in late 2004, has cast him into
>>culture wars that he contentedly avoided his whole life. Although Flew
>>still rejects Christianity, saying only that he now believes in an
>>intelligence that explains both its own existence and that of the
>>world, evangelicals are understandably excited. For them, Flew has
>>become very useful, very quickly. In late 2006, Flew was among the
>>signers of a letter to Tony Blair asking that intelligent design be
>>included in the British science curriculum.

>
> Thanks for the article!
> I'm constantly adding to my archives!


But will you be able to understand it? Even your inability to read the
KJV, and even plain English text, I suspect you will not understand what
it being said. But then, no one expects you to.

> And I just LOVE poking holes in atheist hyperbole!


So when are you going to start? If not exactly like you are known to be
able to hold conversation even with yourself.


Snip. Etiquette, especially news etiquette, is not a hallmark of jonnie.

Which wannabe this time johnnie, the one who like to pretend that he
knows things, things others cannot understand, and yet, has to garner
information secondhand?

walksalone who read the flap behind his particular news article, and from
the sound of things, if he's religious at all, he would be called a
deitist. Wired the incident would give people like Jonny a chubby is
something I do not understand, thank gosh.

And now, for some more nauseaum from Jonny, that's right, another famous
quote by St. John the liar. They're just so many to choose from, and I
can't count them all without using something to record them with.


Bible and "mythology

keep it clean, you foul mouthed SOB's. Or take it elsewhere!
j
john_se...@hotmail.com
 
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