Theology Divides Mormons, Evangelicals; Why Romney probablhy can't unite Republicans

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December 5, 2007
Theology Divides Mormons, Evangelicals
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 8:45 p.m. ET

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Polygamy, missionaries on bicycles and the Osmonds.

What most people know or think they know about Mormons might be summed up in
those few words. The renowned Tabernacle Choir and, perhaps, quarterback
Steve Young could also fit on that list.

Despite 177 years of history, much about The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints -- the church of Republican presidential candidate Mitt
Romney -- remains a mystery to most.

Questions about his faith, which some mainline religious groups discount as
a non-Christian cult, have dogged Romney throughout his campaign, and on
Thursday he'll tackle the issue at the George H.W. Bush Library on the
campus of Texas A&M University.

Romney isn't expected to focus on the details of Mormonism, but it's in
those details that evangelicals and other Christians sometimes break with
Latter-day Saints.

The fundamental issue: the nature of God.

''Christians and Jews have always held that there is a great gap between
creator and creature. God is God and we're not,'' said Richard Mouw, head of
the Pasadena, Calif., Fuller Theological Seminary. ''Mormons believe that
God and humans are of the same species. In our eyes they have tried to
bridge that gap in ways that really is a fundamental violation.''

Mormons also disavow belief in the Trinity -- that the Father, Jesus and the
Holy Spirit are one -- instead believing the three to be individuals united
in a single purpose.

Many non-Mormons dispute claims that the faith's central text, the Book of
Mormon, is a valid account of Jesus' dealings with ancient Americans.
Mormons believe the book was translated through revelation by founder Joseph
Smith from a set of buried golden plates. It's one of three texts from
Smith, who also drafted his own version of the Bible, altering many of its
passages in light of what he said were errors that had crept into modern
translations.

''The Bible has almost a talismanic significance to evangelicals and they
simply don't like the idea of anybody changing it,'' said Randall Balmer,
professor of religion at Columbia University. ''Here you've got an
additional testament of Jesus Christ and a source of continuing,
authoritative revelation. It simply rubs evangelicals the wrong way.''

Smith founded the church in 1830, 10 years after a vision near his family
home in Palmyra, N.Y. The original church had just six members, mostly
members of Smith's family. Today the church claims nearly 13 million members
worldwide and is rapidly growing. With about 5.7 million members in the
United States, it is the nation's fourth-largest church.

Culturally, socially and politically, Mormons and evangelical Christians
should have no trouble finding common ground.

Mormon culture centers on faith and family, with church activities and
callings -- from teaching Sunday School to leading Boy Scout troops --
filling the calendar.

A patriarchal society, Mormons hold up the traditional family as the ideal,
with women encouraged to raise children instead of work outside the home.

Healthy lifestyles are promoted through the faith's ''Word of Wisdom,''
which warns against the use of alcohol, tobacco and ''hot drinks,''
including coffee and tea.

Mormons tithe 10 percent of their incomes to their church and are encouraged
to serve proselytizing missions.

Mormons oppose gay marriage and denounce gambling. They've largely supported
the war in Iraq and twice voted overwhelmingly for President Bush. The
church opposes abortion, except when the health of the mother is at risk.

Officially, the church is politically neutral. It doesn't endorse
candidates,and it encourages members to vote their consciences

From the beginning, Mormonism set itself apart from other faiths in both
culture and doctrine. Modern leaders don't dispute the differences -- a
church Web site says the faith is ''not Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox but
holds a unique place in the Christian world as restored New Testament
Christianity.''

''We believe (the church) was lost after the times of Christ and his
apostles and required to be restored through a prophet,'' said M. Russell
Ballard, a member of the Mormon church's second-tier of leadership, the
Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. ''Think in terms of Abraham and Moses ...
Joseph Smith to us is just the Moses of our day.''

But the debate over the church's place in Christianity remains a sore spot
for leaders who in 1995 altered the church logo to place more emphasis on
the words ''Jesus Christ'' in its name.

The problem is that most evangelical Christians see Mormon doctrine, which
stems from Smith, as ''un-Biblical,'' said Robert Millet, a professor of
religion at the church-owned Brigham Young University.

Aside from continuing revelation, there are a host of Mormon beliefs that
evangelicals find hard to swallow. Mormons, for example, believe in a
Heavenly Mother -- God's female partner -- a pre-existence in heaven before
birth, a hereafter that includes a three-level heavenly kingdom. They wear
religious undergarments that some say possess protective powers; they bar
non-Mormons from entering their temples; practice posthumous baptism and
believe that man can progress to a God-like state in Heaven.

Millet, who has spent much of the past decade working alongside
evangelicals, said of those non-Mormons: ''They would say, 'Look, it's not a
bad idea, but it's not biblical. My comeback would be, the real question is
whether or not it's true.''

Other Christians also don't accept the Mormon contention that they are
members of the ''one true church,'' the authentic version of Christianity
that Smith claimed to have restored to Earth at God's own direction.

Even language adds to the divide. Mormons refer to all non-Mormons,
including Jews, as gentiles and call God '''Heavenly Father' as if
'Heavenly' were his first name,'' Balmer said. ''Evangelicals just don't do
that.''

Another concern for some: that Mormon church presidents are held out as
prophets with revelatory power that can alter the church's direction and
beliefs.

Such revelations discontinued the practice of polygamy in 1890 and, in 1978,
ended a ban on giving black men priesthood authority.

Said Mouw, ''That notion that things can just get changed is scary for a lot
of people who worry that a church with a very strong authority center could
influence a public leader by suddenly getting a new revelation that has an
impact on public policy.''

Among non-Mormons, 62 percent think Mormonism is very different from their
own religion, according to polling this summer by the nonpartisan Pew
Research Center and Pew Forum. Some 53 percent said they had a favorable
view of Mormons, compared with 76 percent who had favorable feelings toward
Jews and Catholics, 60 percent for evangelical Christians, 43 percent for
Muslims and 35 percent for atheists.

Fifty-two percent said they think Mormons are Christian
 
Sid9 wrote:

> December 5, 2007
> Theology Divides Mormons, Evangelicals
> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> Filed at 8:45 p.m. ET
>
> SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Polygamy, missionaries on bicycles and the Osmonds.
>
> What most people know or think they know about Mormons might be summed up in
> those few words. The renowned Tabernacle Choir and, perhaps, quarterback
> Steve Young could also fit on that list.
>
> Despite 177 years of history, much about The Church of Jesus Christ of
> Latter-day Saints -- the church of Republican presidential candidate Mitt
> Romney -- remains a mystery to most.


My parents went to a Mormon wedding. My father's nephew is Mormon,
parents aren't. So non-Mormons stayed outside the church and the
Mormons went in and did the ceremony. Kinda pissed my parent's off.
Anyway, if you aren't part of the party you aren't going to learn much
about the celebrations.

The mystery will remain.

But in the grand scheme of things...who gives a ****? What does it
matter if a person is a Christian, Mormon, Buddhist, Muslim, or atheist?
Does the person hold the values of the US dear? Is the person sane?
Will that person do a good job? Will that person defend the Constitution?

If the US would RID religion from politics we might get some people that
can do a good job. I find the religious litmus test repulsive as dog puke.
 
Salad wrote:
> Sid9 wrote:
>
>> December 5, 2007
>> Theology Divides Mormons, Evangelicals
>> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
>> Filed at 8:45 p.m. ET
>>
>> SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Polygamy, missionaries on bicycles and the
>> Osmonds. What most people know or think they know about Mormons might be
>> summed up in those few words. The renowned Tabernacle Choir and,
>> perhaps, quarterback Steve Young could also fit on that list.
>>
>> Despite 177 years of history, much about The Church of Jesus Christ
>> of Latter-day Saints -- the church of Republican presidential
>> candidate Mitt Romney -- remains a mystery to most.

>
> My parents went to a Mormon wedding. My father's nephew is Mormon,
> parents aren't. So non-Mormons stayed outside the church and the
> Mormons went in and did the ceremony. Kinda pissed my parent's off.
> Anyway, if you aren't part of the party you aren't going to learn much
> about the celebrations.
>
> The mystery will remain.
>
> But in the grand scheme of things...who gives a ****? What does it
> matter if a person is a Christian, Mormon, Buddhist, Muslim, or
> atheist? Does the person hold the values of the US dear? Is the
> person sane? Will that person do a good job? Will that person defend the
> Constitution?
> If the US would RID religion from politics we might get some people
> that can do a good job. I find the religious litmus test repulsive
> as dog puke.



Today Romney said we were not a secular nation.

Another jr like Taliban
Obviously endorsed by jr since jr's unfortunate father introduced him
 
Sid9 wrote:

> Salad wrote:
>
>>Sid9 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>December 5, 2007
>>>Theology Divides Mormons, Evangelicals
>>>By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
>>>Filed at 8:45 p.m. ET
>>>
>>>SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Polygamy, missionaries on bicycles and the
>>>Osmonds. What most people know or think they know about Mormons might be
>>>summed up in those few words. The renowned Tabernacle Choir and,
>>>perhaps, quarterback Steve Young could also fit on that list.
>>>
>>>Despite 177 years of history, much about The Church of Jesus Christ
>>>of Latter-day Saints -- the church of Republican presidential
>>>candidate Mitt Romney -- remains a mystery to most.

>>
>>My parents went to a Mormon wedding. My father's nephew is Mormon,
>>parents aren't. So non-Mormons stayed outside the church and the
>>Mormons went in and did the ceremony. Kinda pissed my parent's off.
>>Anyway, if you aren't part of the party you aren't going to learn much
>>about the celebrations.
>>
>>The mystery will remain.
>>
>>But in the grand scheme of things...who gives a ****? What does it
>>matter if a person is a Christian, Mormon, Buddhist, Muslim, or
>> atheist? Does the person hold the values of the US dear? Is the
>>person sane? Will that person do a good job? Will that person defend the
>>Constitution?
>>If the US would RID religion from politics we might get some people
>>that can do a good job. I find the religious litmus test repulsive
>>as dog puke.

>
> Today Romney said we were not a secular nation.


Romney won't get my vote. I'm tired of religious nuts in the White House.

> Another jr like Taliban


If Americans like the Middle East way of rulings they'll opt for
religious politics. Those that want religious politics are dog puke,
not fit to be called American.


> Obviously endorsed by jr since jr's unfortunate father introduced him
>
>
 
if he promises 72 salt lake city virgins for every man, I'm in

wait a minute, there aren't 72 virgins in salt lake,
they're all mormons and they've all been ****ed by the
old mormon men



"Salad" <oil@vinegar.com> wrote in message
news:13lgthmmdl5s7d4@corp.supernews.com...
> Sid9 wrote:
>
>> Salad wrote:
>>
>>>Sid9 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>December 5, 2007
>>>>Theology Divides Mormons, Evangelicals
>>>>By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
>>>>Filed at 8:45 p.m. ET
>>>>
>>>>SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Polygamy, missionaries on bicycles and the
>>>>Osmonds. What most people know or think they know about Mormons might be
>>>>summed up in those few words. The renowned Tabernacle Choir and,
>>>>perhaps, quarterback Steve Young could also fit on that list.
>>>>
>>>>Despite 177 years of history, much about The Church of Jesus Christ
>>>>of Latter-day Saints -- the church of Republican presidential
>>>>candidate Mitt Romney -- remains a mystery to most.
>>>
>>>My parents went to a Mormon wedding. My father's nephew is Mormon,
>>>parents aren't. So non-Mormons stayed outside the church and the
>>>Mormons went in and did the ceremony. Kinda pissed my parent's off.
>>>Anyway, if you aren't part of the party you aren't going to learn much
>>>about the celebrations.
>>>
>>>The mystery will remain.
>>>
>>>But in the grand scheme of things...who gives a ****? What does it
>>>matter if a person is a Christian, Mormon, Buddhist, Muslim, or
>>> atheist? Does the person hold the values of the US dear? Is the
>>>person sane? Will that person do a good job? Will that person defend the
>>>Constitution?
>>>If the US would RID religion from politics we might get some people
>>>that can do a good job. I find the religious litmus test repulsive
>>>as dog puke.

>>
>> Today Romney said we were not a secular nation.

>
> Romney won't get my vote. I'm tired of religious nuts in the White House.
>
>> Another jr like Taliban

>
> If Americans like the Middle East way of rulings they'll opt for religious
> politics. Those that want religious politics are dog puke, not fit to be
> called American.
>
>
>> Obviously endorsed by jr since jr's unfortunate father introduced him
 
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