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October 27, 2007
Thousands Call for Swift End to Iraq War
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 10:47 p.m. ET

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Thousands of people called for a swift end to the war
in Iraq as they marched through downtown on Saturday, chanting and carrying
signs that read: ''Wall Street Gets Rich, Iraqis and GIs Die'' or ''Drop
Tuition Not Bombs.''

The streets were filled with thousands as labor union members, anti-war
activists, clergy and others rallied near City Hall before marching to
Dolores Park.

As part of the demonstration, protesters fell on Market Street as part of a
''die in'' to commemorate the thousands of American soldiers and Iraqi
citizens who have died since the conflict began in March 2003.

The protest was the largest in a series of war protests taking place in New
York, Los Angeles and other U.S. cities, organizers said.

No official head count was available. Organizers of the event estimated
about 30,000 people participated in San Francisco. It appeared that more
than 10,000 people attended the march.

''I got the sense that many people were at a demonstration for the first
time,'' said Sarah Sloan, one of the event's organizers. ''That's something
that's really changed. People have realized the right thing to do is to take
to the streets.''

In the shadow of the National Constitution Center and Independence Hall in
Philadelphia, a few hundred protesters ranging from grade school-aged
children to senior citizens called on President Bush to end funding for the
war and bring troops home.

Marchers who braved severe wet weather during the walk of more than 30
blocks were met by people lining the sidewalks and clutching a long yellow
ribbon over the final blocks before Independence Mall. There, the rally
opened with songs and prayers by descendants of Lenape Indians.

''Our signs are limp from the rain and the ground is soggy, but out spirits
are high,'' said Bal Pinguel, of the American Friends Service Committee, one
of the national sponsors of the event. ''The high price we are paying is the
more than 3,800 troops who have been killed in the war in Iraq.''

Vince Robbins, 51, of Mount Holly, N.J., said there needed to be more
rallies and more outrage.

''Where's the outcry? Where's the horror that almost 4,000 Americans have
died in a foreign country that we invaded?'' Robbins said. ''I'm almost as
angry at the American people as I am the president. I think Americans have
become apathetic and placid about the whole thing.''

In New York, among the thousands marching down Broadway was a man carrying
cardboard peace doves. Some others dressed as prisoners, wearing the bright
orange garb of Guantanamo Bay inmates and pushing a person in a cage.

In Seattle, thousands of marchers were led by a small group of Iraq war
veterans.

At Occidental Park, where the protesters rallied after the march, the
American Friends Service Committee displayed scores of combat boots, one
pair for each U.S. solider killed in Iraq.
 
> "...larger and larger protests..."

LOL!
Those numbers are way down from a year ago.
Also, with the success of the surge and sharp drop of violence in
Iraq, polls now show that the American people believe we can win the
war in Iraq.

Yet another lib dem bested by facts and logic.
----------------------------------------------------
Sharp drop in violence seen in Iraq

By Aseel Kami

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Violence in Iraq has dropped by 70 percent since
the end of June, when U.S. forces completed their build-up of 30,000
extra troops to stabilise the war-torn country, the Interior Ministry
said on Monday.

The ministry released the new figures as bomb blasts in Baghdad and
the northern city of Mosul killed five people and six gunmen died in
clashes with police in the holy Shi'ite city of Kerbala, southwest of
the capital.

Washington began sending reinforcements to Iraq in February to try to
buy Iraq's feuding political leaders time to reach a political
accommodation to end violence between majority Shi'ites and minority
Sunni Arabs that has killed tens of thousands and forced millions from
their homes.

While the leaders have failed to agree on key laws aimed at
reconciling the country's warring sects, the troop buildup has
succeeded in quelling the violence.

Under the plan, U.S. troops left their large bases and set up combat
outposts in neighbourhoods while launching a series of summer
offensives against Sunni Islamist al Qaeda, other Sunni Arab militants
and Shi'ite militias in the Baghdad beltway.

Interior Ministry spokesman Major-General Abdul-Karim Khalaf told
reporters there had been a 70 percent reduction in violence
countrywide in the three months from July to September from the
previous quarter.

In Anbar, a former insurgent hotbed where Sunni Arab tribes have
joined U.S. forces against al Qaeda, there has been an 82 percent drop
in violent deaths.

"These figures show a definite improvement in controlling the security
situation," Khalaf said.

Data from the health, interior and defence ministries in September
showed a 50 percent drop in civilian deaths across the country from
August.
 
"SwampMidget" <webmaster@101click.com> wrote in message
news:1193545265.764516.76650@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> "...larger and larger protests..."

>
> LOL!
> Those numbers are way down from a year ago.
> Also, with the success of the surge and sharp drop of violence in
> Iraq, polls now show that the American people believe we can win the
> war in Iraq.
>
> Yet another lib dem bested by facts and logic.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Sharp drop in violence seen in Iraq
>
> By Aseel Kami
>
> BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Violence in Iraq has dropped by 70 percent since
> the end of June, when U.S. forces completed their build-up of 30,000
> extra troops to stabilise the war-torn country, the Interior Ministry
> said on Monday.
>
> The ministry released the new figures as bomb blasts in Baghdad and
> the northern city of Mosul killed five people and six gunmen died in
> clashes with police in the holy Shi'ite city of Kerbala, southwest of
> the capital.
>
> Washington began sending reinforcements to Iraq in February to try to
> buy Iraq's feuding political leaders time to reach a political
> accommodation to end violence between majority Shi'ites and minority
> Sunni Arabs that has killed tens of thousands and forced millions from
> their homes.
>
> While the leaders have failed to agree on key laws aimed at
> reconciling the country's warring sects, the troop buildup has
> succeeded in quelling the violence.
>
> Under the plan, U.S. troops left their large bases and set up combat
> outposts in neighbourhoods while launching a series of summer
> offensives against Sunni Islamist al Qaeda, other Sunni Arab militants
> and Shi'ite militias in the Baghdad beltway.
>
> Interior Ministry spokesman Major-General Abdul-Karim Khalaf told
> reporters there had been a 70 percent reduction in violence
> countrywide in the three months from July to September from the
> previous quarter.
>
> In Anbar, a former insurgent hotbed where Sunni Arab tribes have
> joined U.S. forces against al Qaeda, there has been an 82 percent drop
> in violent deaths.
>
> "These figures show a definite improvement in controlling the security
> situation," Khalaf said.
>
> Data from the health, interior and defence ministries in September
> showed a 50 percent drop in civilian deaths across the country from
> August.
>
>


Republican jr has accomplished
nothing at the cost of nearly 4,000
lives and 3/4 of a trillion dollars in
borrowed money and a wrecked
reputation for America

The progress the "surge" was to bring is either nil or negative:

October 28, 2007
Iraq Hampers U.S. Bid to Widen Sunni Police Role
By MICHAEL R. GORDON
HABBANIYA, Iraq - The American military's push to organize Sunni Arabs into
local neighborhood watch groups has been one of the United States' most
important initiatives in Iraq - so much so that President Bush flew to Anbar
Province in September to highlight growing alliances with Sunni tribal
leaders.

But now that the Americans are trying to institutionalize the arrangement by
training the Sunnis to become policemen, the effort has been hampered by
halfhearted support and occasionally outright resistance from a
Shiite-dominated national government that is still inclined to see the
Sunnis as a once and future threat.

It was the American military that pressed to open the new Habbaniya Police
Training Center, where Sunni tribesmen and former insurgents are to be
trained to serve as policemen in Anbar. And it was the Americans who
provided the uniforms, food, new classrooms and equipment for the police
recruits.

While the Iraqi government has agreed to basic police instruction at the
academy, it has balked at training police leaders there. The government has
also scaled back plans by Anbar officials to expand the provincial police
force by almost 50 percent.

"The Ministry of Interior deals with the Sunni provinces different than they
deal with the other provinces," said Brig. Gen. David D. Phillips, an
American Army officer who oversees the training of the Iraq police. "The
only reason the Anbar academy opened is because we built it, paid for it and
staffed it." He said the Interior Ministry "was very hesitant about it."

The ministry says that it pays the salaries of the Iraqi personnel here and
that more money will come as soon as proper administrative procedures are
established between the government and the academy.

Anbar is not the only source of contention. In Diyala Province, north of
Baghdad, American military officers have pushed the Iraqi government to hire
more than 6,000 local Iraqis, many of them Sunnis, as policemen. Despite
promises of action by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, none have been
hired by the Interior Ministry.

Maj. Gen. Benjamin R. Mixon, who is winding up a tour as the senior American
commander for northern Iraq, said in an interview at his headquarters at
Camp Speicher that the "foot-dragging" stems from "highly sectarian" hiring
in Baghdad. "They want to make sure that not too many Sunnis are hired," he
said. "The situation is unsatisfactory in terms of hiring Iraqi police."

The rise in tensions over efforts to hire more Sunni policemen comes at a
critical moment in the American military deployment in Iraq. With the number
of American combat brigades set to decline by one quarter by mid-July,
American commanders are eager to build up the Iraqis' capability to secure
their neighborhoods.

One way has been to organize local Sunnis into neighborhood watch groups,
what the American military calls "Concerned Local Citizens." The benefits of
this approach have been evident near Yusufiya and Mahmudiya, in an area
south of Baghdad that was once so violent it had been known as the "triangle
of death" and has been overseen by the Second Brigade of the American Army's
10th Mountain Division.

Before neighborhood watch groups were organized in this region in June, more
than 12 American and Iraqi soldiers were killed each month in the area,
according to an analysis circulating within the American military command.
After June, the killings declined to one soldier each month. The number of
vehicles destroyed from roadside bombs was running at 11 per month before
June, but is averaging less than one per month now.

But organizing local Iraqis into neighborhood watch groups is just the first
step. The Americans' ultimate goal is to codify the arrangement by training
these groups as police forces. The Americans also hope that by persuading
the Iraqi government to hire Sunnis as policemen they will encourage a new,
ground-up form of political accommodation.

Shiite-dominated ministries in Baghdad will develop new working relations
with largely Sunni police forces in the field, easing the sectarian divide
and laying the basis for a more representative national government, or so
the theory goes.

At its best, the process of hiring new Sunni Arab policemen is a
bureaucratic one. Prospective recruits have their fingerprints taken and
undergo retina scans that are included in an intelligence database. The list
of potential recruits is submitted to the Interior Ministry, which generally
submits it to a committee of national reconciliation overseen by close
Maliki aides.

With American pressure, the process has led to some new hires. In the town
of Abu Ghraib, just west of Baghdad, 1,738 of the 2,400 Sunnis who had been
put forward to serve as policemen in the town were hired.

Plans have been made to add 12,000 policemen in Baghdad over the next six
months, and it is estimated that about half would be drawn from the ranks of
Concerned Local Citizens.

But as Diyala shows, the process does not always run smoothly. American
forces pushed through western Baquba, the capital of the province, in June
in an effort to sweep the city clear of militants from Al Qaeda in
Mesopotamia, a mainly Iraqi insurgent group with foreign leadership. More
than 4,600 Concerned Local Citizens have since been organized in Diyala
Province.

But hiring them as policemen has proved difficult. Mr. Maliki ordered that
the Diyala police force be increased in size by more than 6,000, and
provincial officials submitted a list of names in July that included many
Sunnis to the Interior Ministry in Baghdad. But some Interior Ministry
officials have questioned whether such a substantial increase is needed, and
some members of the reconciliation committee have argued that the original
Maliki decree may no longer be valid, putting the plan to hire them in
limbo.

While no action has been taken on the list, the Iraqi government surprised
the Americans by hiring 548 Iraqis who had not been on the roster. When
American officials analyzed the new hires, they determined that the list was
mostly made up of Shiites.

It was not the only time that the Interior Ministry had hired Shiite
policemen despite the concerns of local officials. The ministry sent 663
Shiite policemen in recent months to the city of Tal Afar in the northern
Nineveh Province.

Wathiq al-Hamdani, the police chief in Nineveh, said in an interview at his
Mosul headquarters that the decision was made over his objections and would
undermine efforts to establish a force that was more balanced on sectarian
lines. "We are trying to have some Sunni police officers in Tal Afar, but we
have a lot of problems in doing that," he said.

Diyala and Tal Afar are mixed areas where both Sunnis and Shiites live, so
they have drawn the attention of the Shiite-dominated Iraqi government. But
even Anbar, an overwhelmingly Sunni Arab region in western Iraq, has been of
concern to wary Iraqi officials in Baghdad.

Initially, provincial police officials in Anbar proposed adding 9,000
officers to the force of 20,911, an expansion they said was needed because
of the vast territory in western Iraq. But the Iraqi government ordered that
the provincial force be increased by only 4,000, and issued orders to start
the expansion by hiring 3,000 of them.

As for the rest of the 9,000, 2,000 are eventually to be hired by the
National Police, which reports to the Shiite-dominated Interior Ministry.
And 3,000 are to be given civilian jobs that involve no law-enforcement or
military training.

Financing for the Anbar police has also been carefully controlled. The
police chief is given his budget in 250-million-dinar increments - about
$200,000 - and required to provide receipts. No other province has its
police financing so carefully metered, American officials say.

To augment its ability to train policemen and supplement the training at the
Baghdad police academy, the Iraqi government has decided to build two new
police academies. They are to be located in the southern city of Basra and
the northern town of Mosul.

That is of little help to the Sunnis in Anbar. So the Americans pushed this
summer to establish a police academy at a former Anbar air base that the
British established at Habbaniya during their colonial occupation. At a cost
of just over $10 million, the Americans financed the complex and paid for
the international police advisers, who are mostly Americans.

The base, which is situated between Falluja and Ramadi, is also used for
training the Iraqi Army and still features the sturdy structures erected
during the British occupation, as well as a British cemetery.

Brig. Gen. Khalid Adulami, the dean of the Habbaniya academy and a former
officer in the Republican Guard during the days of Saddam Hussein's rule,
said many of the prospective recruits were picked by Sheik Abdul Sattar
Buzaigh al-Rishawi, the leader of the Sunni tribal movement in Anbar who was
assassinated in September. The academy will soon graduate its second class
of recruits, more than 700, and plans to expand its enrollment.

Maj. Gen. Abdul Karim Khalaf, a senior official at the Interior Ministry in
Baghdad, said that the ministry was working to solve financing problems.

But General Adulami said the American military seemed to be more concerned
than Iraqi government officials that his recruits were properly clothed, fed
and trained.

"We know the Americans better than the Iraqis," he said. "Nobody at the
Ministry of Interior asks us what we need."
 
"SwampMidget" <webmaster@101click.com> wrote in message
news:1193545265.764516.76650@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> "...larger and larger protests..."

>
> LOL!
> Those numbers are way down from a year ago.
> Also, with the success of the surge and sharp drop of violence in
> Iraq, polls now show that the American people believe we can win the
> war in Iraq.
>
> Yet another lib dem bested by facts and logic.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Sharp drop in violence seen in Iraq
>
> By Aseel Kami
>
> BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Violence in Iraq has dropped by 70 percent since
> the end of June, when U.S. forces completed their build-up of 30,000
> extra troops to stabilise the war-torn country, the Interior Ministry
> said on Monday.
>
> The ministry released the new figures as bomb blasts in Baghdad and
> the northern city of Mosul killed five people and six gunmen died in
> clashes with police in the holy Shi'ite city of Kerbala, southwest of
> the capital.
>
> Washington began sending reinforcements to Iraq in February to try to
> buy Iraq's feuding political leaders time to reach a political
> accommodation to end violence between majority Shi'ites and minority
> Sunni Arabs that has killed tens of thousands and forced millions from
> their homes.
>
> While the leaders have failed to agree on key laws aimed at
> reconciling the country's warring sects, the troop buildup has
> succeeded in quelling the violence.
>
> Under the plan, U.S. troops left their large bases and set up combat
> outposts in neighbourhoods while launching a series of summer
> offensives against Sunni Islamist al Qaeda, other Sunni Arab militants
> and Shi'ite militias in the Baghdad beltway.
>
> Interior Ministry spokesman Major-General Abdul-Karim Khalaf told
> reporters there had been a 70 percent reduction in violence
> countrywide in the three months from July to September from the
> previous quarter.
>
> In Anbar, a former insurgent hotbed where Sunni Arab tribes have
> joined U.S. forces against al Qaeda, there has been an 82 percent drop
> in violent deaths.
>
> "These figures show a definite improvement in controlling the security
> situation," Khalaf said.
>
> Data from the health, interior and defence ministries in September
> showed a 50 percent drop in civilian deaths across the country from
> August.
>
>


Republican jr has accomplished
nothing at the cost of nearly 4,000
lives and 3/4 of a trillion dollars in
borrowed money and a wrecked
reputation for America

The progress the "surge" was to bring is either nil or negative:

October 28, 2007
Iraq Hampers U.S. Bid to Widen Sunni Police Role
By MICHAEL R. GORDON
HABBANIYA, Iraq - The American military's push to organize Sunni Arabs into
local neighborhood watch groups has been one of the United States' most
important initiatives in Iraq - so much so that President Bush flew to Anbar
Province in September to highlight growing alliances with Sunni tribal
leaders.

But now that the Americans are trying to institutionalize the arrangement by
training the Sunnis to become policemen, the effort has been hampered by
halfhearted support and occasionally outright resistance from a
Shiite-dominated national government that is still inclined to see the
Sunnis as a once and future threat.

It was the American military that pressed to open the new Habbaniya Police
Training Center, where Sunni tribesmen and former insurgents are to be
trained to serve as policemen in Anbar. And it was the Americans who
provided the uniforms, food, new classrooms and equipment for the police
recruits.

While the Iraqi government has agreed to basic police instruction at the
academy, it has balked at training police leaders there. The government has
also scaled back plans by Anbar officials to expand the provincial police
force by almost 50 percent.

"The Ministry of Interior deals with the Sunni provinces different than they
deal with the other provinces," said Brig. Gen. David D. Phillips, an
American Army officer who oversees the training of the Iraq police. "The
only reason the Anbar academy opened is because we built it, paid for it and
staffed it." He said the Interior Ministry "was very hesitant about it."

The ministry says that it pays the salaries of the Iraqi personnel here and
that more money will come as soon as proper administrative procedures are
established between the government and the academy.

Anbar is not the only source of contention. In Diyala Province, north of
Baghdad, American military officers have pushed the Iraqi government to hire
more than 6,000 local Iraqis, many of them Sunnis, as policemen. Despite
promises of action by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, none have been
hired by the Interior Ministry.

Maj. Gen. Benjamin R. Mixon, who is winding up a tour as the senior American
commander for northern Iraq, said in an interview at his headquarters at
Camp Speicher that the "foot-dragging" stems from "highly sectarian" hiring
in Baghdad. "They want to make sure that not too many Sunnis are hired," he
said. "The situation is unsatisfactory in terms of hiring Iraqi police."

The rise in tensions over efforts to hire more Sunni policemen comes at a
critical moment in the American military deployment in Iraq. With the number
of American combat brigades set to decline by one quarter by mid-July,
American commanders are eager to build up the Iraqis' capability to secure
their neighborhoods.

One way has been to organize local Sunnis into neighborhood watch groups,
what the American military calls "Concerned Local Citizens." The benefits of
this approach have been evident near Yusufiya and Mahmudiya, in an area
south of Baghdad that was once so violent it had been known as the "triangle
of death" and has been overseen by the Second Brigade of the American Army's
10th Mountain Division.

Before neighborhood watch groups were organized in this region in June, more
than 12 American and Iraqi soldiers were killed each month in the area,
according to an analysis circulating within the American military command.
After June, the killings declined to one soldier each month. The number of
vehicles destroyed from roadside bombs was running at 11 per month before
June, but is averaging less than one per month now.

But organizing local Iraqis into neighborhood watch groups is just the first
step. The Americans' ultimate goal is to codify the arrangement by training
these groups as police forces. The Americans also hope that by persuading
the Iraqi government to hire Sunnis as policemen they will encourage a new,
ground-up form of political accommodation.

Shiite-dominated ministries in Baghdad will develop new working relations
with largely Sunni police forces in the field, easing the sectarian divide
and laying the basis for a more representative national government, or so
the theory goes.

At its best, the process of hiring new Sunni Arab policemen is a
bureaucratic one. Prospective recruits have their fingerprints taken and
undergo retina scans that are included in an intelligence database. The list
of potential recruits is submitted to the Interior Ministry, which generally
submits it to a committee of national reconciliation overseen by close
Maliki aides.

With American pressure, the process has led to some new hires. In the town
of Abu Ghraib, just west of Baghdad, 1,738 of the 2,400 Sunnis who had been
put forward to serve as policemen in the town were hired.

Plans have been made to add 12,000 policemen in Baghdad over the next six
months, and it is estimated that about half would be drawn from the ranks of
Concerned Local Citizens.

But as Diyala shows, the process does not always run smoothly. American
forces pushed through western Baquba, the capital of the province, in June
in an effort to sweep the city clear of militants from Al Qaeda in
Mesopotamia, a mainly Iraqi insurgent group with foreign leadership. More
than 4,600 Concerned Local Citizens have since been organized in Diyala
Province.

But hiring them as policemen has proved difficult. Mr. Maliki ordered that
the Diyala police force be increased in size by more than 6,000, and
provincial officials submitted a list of names in July that included many
Sunnis to the Interior Ministry in Baghdad. But some Interior Ministry
officials have questioned whether such a substantial increase is needed, and
some members of the reconciliation committee have argued that the original
Maliki decree may no longer be valid, putting the plan to hire them in
limbo.

While no action has been taken on the list, the Iraqi government surprised
the Americans by hiring 548 Iraqis who had not been on the roster. When
American officials analyzed the new hires, they determined that the list was
mostly made up of Shiites.

It was not the only time that the Interior Ministry had hired Shiite
policemen despite the concerns of local officials. The ministry sent 663
Shiite policemen in recent months to the city of Tal Afar in the northern
Nineveh Province.

Wathiq al-Hamdani, the police chief in Nineveh, said in an interview at his
Mosul headquarters that the decision was made over his objections and would
undermine efforts to establish a force that was more balanced on sectarian
lines. "We are trying to have some Sunni police officers in Tal Afar, but we
have a lot of problems in doing that," he said.

Diyala and Tal Afar are mixed areas where both Sunnis and Shiites live, so
they have drawn the attention of the Shiite-dominated Iraqi government. But
even Anbar, an overwhelmingly Sunni Arab region in western Iraq, has been of
concern to wary Iraqi officials in Baghdad.

Initially, provincial police officials in Anbar proposed adding 9,000
officers to the force of 20,911, an expansion they said was needed because
of the vast territory in western Iraq. But the Iraqi government ordered that
the provincial force be increased by only 4,000, and issued orders to start
the expansion by hiring 3,000 of them.

As for the rest of the 9,000, 2,000 are eventually to be hired by the
National Police, which reports to the Shiite-dominated Interior Ministry.
And 3,000 are to be given civilian jobs that involve no law-enforcement or
military training.

Financing for the Anbar police has also been carefully controlled. The
police chief is given his budget in 250-million-dinar increments - about
$200,000 - and required to provide receipts. No other province has its
police financing so carefully metered, American officials say.

To augment its ability to train policemen and supplement the training at the
Baghdad police academy, the Iraqi government has decided to build two new
police academies. They are to be located in the southern city of Basra and
the northern town of Mosul.

That is of little help to the Sunnis in Anbar. So the Americans pushed this
summer to establish a police academy at a former Anbar air base that the
British established at Habbaniya during their colonial occupation. At a cost
of just over $10 million, the Americans financed the complex and paid for
the international police advisers, who are mostly Americans.

The base, which is situated between Falluja and Ramadi, is also used for
training the Iraqi Army and still features the sturdy structures erected
during the British occupation, as well as a British cemetery.

Brig. Gen. Khalid Adulami, the dean of the Habbaniya academy and a former
officer in the Republican Guard during the days of Saddam Hussein's rule,
said many of the prospective recruits were picked by Sheik Abdul Sattar
Buzaigh al-Rishawi, the leader of the Sunni tribal movement in Anbar who was
assassinated in September. The academy will soon graduate its second class
of recruits, more than 700, and plans to expand its enrollment.

Maj. Gen. Abdul Karim Khalaf, a senior official at the Interior Ministry in
Baghdad, said that the ministry was working to solve financing problems.

But General Adulami said the American military seemed to be more concerned
than Iraqi government officials that his recruits were properly clothed, fed
and trained.

"We know the Americans better than the Iraqis," he said. "Nobody at the
Ministry of Interior asks us what we need."
 
You're going to compare these little strolls down the street to the
Vietnam protests ? What have you been smoking ?
 
You're going to compare these little strolls down the street to the
Vietnam protests ? What have you been smoking ?
 
On Oct 27, 11:32 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> October 27, 2007
> Thousands Call for Swift End to Iraq War
> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> Filed at 10:47 p.m. ET
>
> SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Thousands of people called for a swift end to the war
> in Iraq as they marched through downtown on Saturday, chanting and carrying
> signs that read: ''Wall Street Gets Rich, Iraqis and GIs Die'' or ''Drop
> Tuition Not Bombs.''
>
> The streets were filled with thousands as labor union members, anti-war
> activists, clergy and others rallied near City Hall before marching to
> Dolores Park.
>
> As part of the demonstration, protesters fell on Market Street as part of a
> ''die in'' to commemorate the thousands of American soldiers and Iraqi
> citizens who have died since the conflict began in March 2003.
>
> The protest was the largest in a series of war protests taking place in New
> York, Los Angeles and other U.S. cities, organizers said.
>
> No official head count was available. Organizers of the event estimated
> about 30,000 people participated in San Francisco. It appeared that more
> than 10,000 people attended the march.
>
> ''I got the sense that many people were at a demonstration for the first
> time,'' said Sarah Sloan, one of the event's organizers. ''That's something
> that's really changed. People have realized the right thing to do is to take
> to the streets.''
>
> In the shadow of the National Constitution Center and Independence Hall in
> Philadelphia, a few hundred protesters ranging from grade school-aged
> children to senior citizens called on President Bush to end funding for the
> war and bring troops home.
>
> Marchers who braved severe wet weather during the walk of more than 30
> blocks were met by people lining the sidewalks and clutching a long yellow
> ribbon over the final blocks before Independence Mall. There, the rally
> opened with songs and prayers by descendants of Lenape Indians.
>
> ''Our signs are limp from the rain and the ground is soggy, but out spirits
> are high,'' said Bal Pinguel, of the American Friends Service Committee, one
> of the national sponsors of the event. ''The high price we are paying is the
> more than 3,800 troops who have been killed in the war in Iraq.''
>
> Vince Robbins, 51, of Mount Holly, N.J., said there needed to be more
> rallies and more outrage.
>
> ''Where's the outcry? Where's the horror that almost 4,000 Americans have
> died in a foreign country that we invaded?'' Robbins said. ''I'm almost as
> angry at the American people as I am the president. I think Americans have
> become apathetic and placid about the whole thing.''
>
> In New York, among the thousands marching down Broadway was a man carrying
> cardboard peace doves. Some others dressed as prisoners, wearing the bright
> orange garb of Guantanamo Bay inmates and pushing a person in a cage.
>
> In Seattle, thousands of marchers were led by a small group of Iraq war
> veterans.
>
> At Occidental Park, where the protesters rallied after the march, the
> American Friends Service Committee displayed scores of combat boots, one
> pair for each U.S. solider killed in Iraq.


Why should they get out of Iraq, Bush uses it to funnel billions to
guys who own war material corporations who in turn fund the mortgages
on a handful of corrupt politicians. Yes, Americans will die in Iraq,
but if it wasn't worth it would Bush be doing it?
Watch how fast we'd be out of Iraq if corporations were losing
millions every fay instead of making millions every day.
 
On Oct 27, 11:32 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> October 27, 2007
> Thousands Call for Swift End to Iraq War
> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> Filed at 10:47 p.m. ET
>
> SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Thousands of people called for a swift end to the war
> in Iraq as they marched through downtown on Saturday, chanting and carrying
> signs that read: ''Wall Street Gets Rich, Iraqis and GIs Die'' or ''Drop
> Tuition Not Bombs.''
>
> The streets were filled with thousands as labor union members, anti-war
> activists, clergy and others rallied near City Hall before marching to
> Dolores Park.
>
> As part of the demonstration, protesters fell on Market Street as part of a
> ''die in'' to commemorate the thousands of American soldiers and Iraqi
> citizens who have died since the conflict began in March 2003.
>
> The protest was the largest in a series of war protests taking place in New
> York, Los Angeles and other U.S. cities, organizers said.
>
> No official head count was available. Organizers of the event estimated
> about 30,000 people participated in San Francisco. It appeared that more
> than 10,000 people attended the march.
>
> ''I got the sense that many people were at a demonstration for the first
> time,'' said Sarah Sloan, one of the event's organizers. ''That's something
> that's really changed. People have realized the right thing to do is to take
> to the streets.''
>
> In the shadow of the National Constitution Center and Independence Hall in
> Philadelphia, a few hundred protesters ranging from grade school-aged
> children to senior citizens called on President Bush to end funding for the
> war and bring troops home.
>
> Marchers who braved severe wet weather during the walk of more than 30
> blocks were met by people lining the sidewalks and clutching a long yellow
> ribbon over the final blocks before Independence Mall. There, the rally
> opened with songs and prayers by descendants of Lenape Indians.
>
> ''Our signs are limp from the rain and the ground is soggy, but out spirits
> are high,'' said Bal Pinguel, of the American Friends Service Committee, one
> of the national sponsors of the event. ''The high price we are paying is the
> more than 3,800 troops who have been killed in the war in Iraq.''
>
> Vince Robbins, 51, of Mount Holly, N.J., said there needed to be more
> rallies and more outrage.
>
> ''Where's the outcry? Where's the horror that almost 4,000 Americans have
> died in a foreign country that we invaded?'' Robbins said. ''I'm almost as
> angry at the American people as I am the president. I think Americans have
> become apathetic and placid about the whole thing.''
>
> In New York, among the thousands marching down Broadway was a man carrying
> cardboard peace doves. Some others dressed as prisoners, wearing the bright
> orange garb of Guantanamo Bay inmates and pushing a person in a cage.
>
> In Seattle, thousands of marchers were led by a small group of Iraq war
> veterans.
>
> At Occidental Park, where the protesters rallied after the march, the
> American Friends Service Committee displayed scores of combat boots, one
> pair for each U.S. solider killed in Iraq.


Why should they get out of Iraq, Bush uses it to funnel billions to
guys who own war material corporations who in turn fund the mortgages
on a handful of corrupt politicians. Yes, Americans will die in Iraq,
but if it wasn't worth it would Bush be doing it?
Watch how fast we'd be out of Iraq if corporations were losing
millions every fay instead of making millions every day.
 
On Oct 28, 1:24 am, "a...@aol.com" <gene...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>

> Why should they get out of Iraq, Bush uses it to funnel billions to
> guys who own war material corporations who in turn fund the mortgages
> on a handful of corrupt politicians. Yes, Americans will die in Iraq,
> but if it wasn't worth it would Bush be doing it?
> Watch how fast we'd be out of Iraq if corporations were losing
> millions every fay instead of making millions every day.-




Wher can I get some of those paranoia pills you've been taking?
 
On Oct 28, 1:24 am, "a...@aol.com" <gene...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>

> Why should they get out of Iraq, Bush uses it to funnel billions to
> guys who own war material corporations who in turn fund the mortgages
> on a handful of corrupt politicians. Yes, Americans will die in Iraq,
> but if it wasn't worth it would Bush be doing it?
> Watch how fast we'd be out of Iraq if corporations were losing
> millions every fay instead of making millions every day.-




Wher can I get some of those paranoia pills you've been taking?
 
In article <OpTUi.21225$N7.15081@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> THE ASSOCIATED PRESS... SAN FRANCISCO...Thousands of people
> called for a swift end to the war... ''Wall Street Gets Rich, Iraqis and GIs Die''
> or ''Drop Tuition Not Bombs.''.... abor union members... part of a
> ''die in'' to commemorate The protest was the largest in a series of war protests
> ...Vince Robbins, 51, of Mount Holly, N.J., said there needed to be more
> rallies and more outrage... In Seattle, thousands of marchers were led by a
> small group of Iraq war veterans...displayed scores of combat boots, one
> pair for each U.S. solider killed in Iraq.


Yes, we know.

--
NeoLibertarian

"Politics, when I am in it, it makes me sick."
---William Howard Taft
 
In article <OpTUi.21225$N7.15081@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> THE ASSOCIATED PRESS... SAN FRANCISCO...Thousands of people
> called for a swift end to the war... ''Wall Street Gets Rich, Iraqis and GIs Die''
> or ''Drop Tuition Not Bombs.''.... abor union members... part of a
> ''die in'' to commemorate The protest was the largest in a series of war protests
> ...Vince Robbins, 51, of Mount Holly, N.J., said there needed to be more
> rallies and more outrage... In Seattle, thousands of marchers were led by a
> small group of Iraq war veterans...displayed scores of combat boots, one
> pair for each U.S. solider killed in Iraq.


Yes, we know.

--
NeoLibertarian

"Politics, when I am in it, it makes me sick."
---William Howard Taft
 
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