Debate This Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 [/url]AP - The Israeli army abandoned positions in Lebanon early Sunday, withdrawing the last of its troops from its neighbor and fulfilling a key condition of the Aug. 14 cease-fire that ended a monthlong war against Hezbollah. Link To Original Article Quote I only report the news, I don't create it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugo Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 God is on Israel's side. The Palestinians are the spawn of Satan. Quote The power to do good is also the power to do harm. - Milton Friedman "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamza123 Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 God is on Israel's side. The Palestinians are the spawn of Satan. There is that ignorant Conservative-Christian rhetoric at its finest... Get a fucking life, the Jews believe that they are the chosen ones and only them, but you support that and you're a Christian. Why, because the Old Testament said so? It's funny you know, you look to the Old Testament only for what you want. There whole corrupt government is on the verge of collapse anyway. Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy. This belief is commonly, though not exclusively, associated with a portion of evangelical Protestants, mainly in English-speaking countries outside Europe. Christian Zionism, as a specifically theological belief, does not necessarily entail sympathy for the Jews as a nation or for Judaism as a religion. Since the biblical text is filled with references to Israel, it is common for Christian Zionists to emphasize the Jewish roots of Christianity, and even to promote Jewish practices and Hebrew terminology as part of their own practice; however, Christian Zionists commonly believe that to fulfill prophecy, a significant number of Jews will accept Jesus as their Messiah, and that in the last days, such Messianic Jews will practice a thoroughly Hebraic form of Christianity. Many Christian Zionists believe that the people of Israel remain part of the chosen people of God, along with ingrafted gentile Christians. This has the added effect of turning Christian Zionists into supporters of Zionism, whilst providing one factor in an emerging sense of animosity towards Muslims in Western society. You're not god Hugo, you're not a prophet and you're not jack shit. Who are you to decide who are the chosen people? Who are you to decide who will go to hell and heaven? Wait a tick... I thought you were a Christian, and after all, slander is the biggest sin right? Whats a Muslims take on this? Well, we choose to include those who believe in Christianity and Judiasm as our friends (Christians and Pagans) and our Cousins (Jews). Muslims who believe that Muslims, Christians and Jews all serve the same God cite Qur'anic verses such as: Say, 'People of the Book! come to a proposition which is the same for us and you - that we should worship none but Allah and not associate any partners with Him and not take one another as lords besides Allah.' If they turn away, say, 'Bear witness that we are Muslims.'(Surah Al 'Imran; 3:64) Today all good things have been allowed to you. And the food of those given the Book is also allowed to you and your food is allowed to them. So are chaste women from among the muminun and chaste women of those given the Book before you, once you have given them their dowries in marriage, not in fornication or taking them as lovers. But as for anyone who rejects faith, his actions will come to nothing and in the akhira he will be among the losers. (Surat al-Ma'ida: 5:5) Among the people of the Book there are some who have faith in Allah and in what has been sent down to you and what was sent down to them, and who are humble before Allah. They do not sell Allah's Signs for a paltry price. Such people will have their reward with their Lord. And Allah is swift at reckoning. (Surah Al 'Imran; 3:199) Call to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair admonition, and argue with them in the kindest way. Your Lord knows best who is misguided from His way. And He knows best who are guided. (Surat an-Nahl; 16:125) ...You will find the people most affectionate to those who have faith are those who say, 'We are Christians.' That is because some of them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. (Surat al-Ma'ida; 5:82) Only argue with the People of the Book in the kindest way - except in the case of those of them who do wrong - saying, 'We have faith in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you. Our God and your God are one and we submit to Him.'(Surat al-'Ankabut; 29:46) ...There is a community among the People of the Book who are upright. They recite Allah's Signs throughout the night, and they prostrate. They have iman in Allah and the Last Day, and enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and compete in doing good. They are among the salihun. You will not be denied the reward for any good thing you do. Allah knows those who have taqwa. (Surah Al 'Imran: 3:113-115) Those with faith, those who are Jews, and the Christians and Sabaeans, all who have faith in Allah and the Last Day and act rightly, will have their reward with their Lord. They will feel no fear and will know no sorrow. (Surat al-Baqara; 2:62) What about the Christians and Jews? Well what about them... Supersessionism is the belief of some Christians that Christians have replaced physical Israelites as God's Chosen people. In this view, Israel's chosenness found its ultimate fulfillment through the message of Jesus; Jews who remain non-Christian are no longer considered to be chosen, since they reject Jesus as the Messiah and son of God. Christians who ascribe to supersessionism rely on Biblical references such as Galatians 3:28-29 to support their position that followers of Jesus, not Jews, are the chosen of God and heirs to God's promises to Abraham today: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." --- In Judaism, chosenness is the belief that the Jews are a people chosen to be in a covenant with God. The idea is not connected with tribal groupings as they are traditionally understood, as non-ethnic Jews can become Jews. The Jewish idea of being chosen is first found in the Torah (five books of Moses) and is elaborated on in later books of the Hebrew Bible. This status carries both responsibilities and blessings as described in the Biblical covenants with God. Much is written about this topic in rabbinic literature. Judaism's teachings on being a chosen people are described in depth in Jews as a chosen people. So Muslims think that if you're Muslim, Jewish, Christian, or a simple Pagan, and you believe in god, you will not suffer, Jews belive you're only going to go to heaven if you're Jewish and believe in the Torah, Christians believe that the Jews are the chosen people and they will go to heaven only if they begin to believe in the Bibical/Hebrew version of the Torah and Bible... Well hugo, it's simple, the Israelis have spilled more innocent blood than the Palestinians have, it's a fact, you know it, and I know it. Palestinian deaths and injuries (these figures include all Palestinian casualties, not only those linked to alleged militant activity) (It's only militant activity when an Arab defends his/her land... Fuck that, its Arab land and just because a book written 2000 years ago said so doesn't mean JACK SHIT. It wouldn't matter if the Qur'an, Bible, or Torah said it, the land belongs to the Arabs, it always did. The jews inhabiting it now are all mostly from Europe. The state was created for them by the United States after the holocaust and before the holocaust when Jews began to evacuate. Arabs should not have to suffer for the mistakes that the world made by Segregating the Jews. ): . Israel and Israelis have commited war crimes, western denial for the Pro-Chosen People purpose is just fucking sick! In general, accusations against Israel relate to systematic killing of hundreds of civilians during the war of 1947-1948, as well as the forcible expulsion of many Palestinians from their homes in what became Israel. The Palestinians point to Israeli forces' destruction of over three hundred Palestinian villages that they had fled or been expelled from by Jewish forces in what they view as an effort to prevent their return to the areas conquered by Israel in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Other acts and policies of the Israeli government that have also been seen by the Palestinian side as promoting ethnic cleansing and/or genocide: Opposition to what they view as a Palestinian Right of return, at least in part for the purpose of preserving Israel as a majority Jewish state. Collective punishment of Palestinians, e.g. punishment of family members of alleged terrorists, or general restrictions on all Palestinians as a response to violence committed by individuals. Establishment of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, and creation of the Israeli West Bank barrier, which has been ruled as illegal in a non-binding decision by the International Court of Justice, and which Palestinians and their supporters consider to be a "land grab" or outright ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from captured areas. 1 Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Fi- do or die Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 You are a very sad person. To bad Arabs have killed more of there own people then that of their enemies. I wonder why?.... I also wonder why most tips given to the Isralis are done by Arabs themselves not Jews. I also wonder why almost every single Islamic Nation is either supporting Israel openly or giving them some sort of aid under the table. Interesting indeed. Also Israel kicked Hezzbolahs ass in the recent conflict. Hezzbolah claimed a victory in name only. and thats about as hollow as it is too. To bad most of the people dont like Hezzbolah. It's days, like all other Radicalsm are numbered. And uh... The Israeli Government is corrupt... nor is it ready to collaspe. Since the last conflict only proved how much they can rally and kick ass. Sucks to be a terrorist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamza123 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 You are a very sad person. No my friend. I think it is more sad that your head is shoved up Bush's ass so far hes gotten to your head. Or maybe you've gotten to his. Eww. To bad Arabs have killed more of there own people then that of their enemies. I wonder why? Arabs united to fight Israel before but the USA, obviously being a strong force, corrupts fight Israel. Israel just came out of fucking no where and took the land from the Palestinians. You can't comprehend that because you're one of those Bible Thumpers that believes in the New Testament, and only 85% of the Old Testament because you wan't to eat ham in excess and you want to get hammered every friday... FUCKING PLEASE!! I also wonder why most tips given to the Isralis are done by Arabs themselves not Jews. You mean the corrupt Saudi Princes and Seikhs? Fuck them all, fuck you, and fuck Israel. I also wonder why almost every single Islamic Nation is either supporting Israel openly or giving them some sort of aid under the table. Interesting indeed. Also Israel kicked Hezzbolahs ass Kicked Israel's ass? PFFFT... Hezbollah did what Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Palestinian Arabs could NOT do. Let me allow George Galloway break it down for you... http://youtube.com/watch?v=bNiNS8TnJnI It is Israel that is invading Lebanon, is it Israel that is attacking Lebanon! Hezzbolah claimed a victory in name only. and thats about as hollow as it is too. To bad most of the people dont like Hezzbolah. It's days, like all other Radicalsm are numbered. And uh... The Israeli Government is corrupt... nor is it ready to collaspe. Since the last conflict only proved how much they can rally and kick ass. Sucks to be a terrorist. The conservative rhetoric in the world is about to be fucking annihilated when Bush is gone. Israel's fucking Prime Minister is a rapist and people will not vote for his party for a long time to come. They are the party of the opressors, if not in the most bit. Oh, and Hezbollah killed less Israeli civilians than Soldiers, Israel killed MORE Lebanese Civilians than Hezbollah Fighters. Of the 1,301 people killed in Lebanon so far, almost all are Lebanese civilians, of which a third are children. Despite Israel's precision weaponry, less than 5% of deaths (63) are Hezbollah. 4,097 Lebanese civilians have been wounded, including 1,000 children (25%). Oh and heres the big fucker right here... During the same period, 160 Israelis have been killed, of which 73% (117) are military and almost half of the civilian deaths are Arab. 30 times as many Lebanese civilians have been killed than Israeli. http://www.arabmediawatch.com/amw/CountryBackgrounds/Lebanon/LebanonBodyCount/tabid/325/Default.aspx Sources: Agence France Presse United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon Lebanese High Relief Council International Medical Corps UN Mine Action Coordination Center Human Rights Watch UN Development Programme UN Children's Fund UN High Commission for Refugees Unicef Amnesty International UN Environment Programme Yet you don't give a shit about Arabs. You are a sick inhumane conservative fuck that loves to suck off every fucking Jew you come into contact with because you think they are 'chosen' and that you will go to heaven. Why don't you just convert? Or does the 15% of the belief system not let you... >>> FUCKING OWNED <<< Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboys Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 No my friend. I think it is more sad that your head is shoved up Bush's ass so far hes gotten to your head. Or maybe you've gotten to his. Eww. Arabs united to fight Israel before but the USA, obviously being a strong force, corrupts fight Israel. Israel just came out of fucking no where and took the land from the Palestinians. You can't comprehend that because you're one of those Bible Thumpers that believes in the New Testament, and only 85% of the Old Testament because you wan't to eat ham in excess and you want to get hammered every friday... FUCKING PLEASE!! You mean the corrupt Saudi Princes and Seikhs? Fuck them all, fuck you, and fuck Israel. Kicked Israel's ass? PFFFT... Hezbollah did what Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Palestinian Arabs could NOT do. Let me allow George Galloway break it down for you... http://youtube.com/watch?v=bNiNS8TnJnI It is Israel that is invading Lebanon, is it Israel that is attacking Lebanon! The conservative rhetoric in the world is about to be fucking annihilated when Bush is gone. Israel's fucking Prime Minister is a rapist and people will not vote for his party for a long time to come. They are the party of the opressors, if not in the most bit. Oh, and Hezbollah killed less Israeli civilians than Soldiers, Israel killed MORE Lebanese Civilians than Hezbollah Fighters. Oh and heres the big fucker right here... http://www.arabmediawatch.com/amw/CountryBackgrounds/Lebanon/LebanonBodyCount/tabid/325/Default.aspx Sources: Agence France Presse United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon Lebanese High Relief Council International Medical Corps UN Mine Action Coordination Center Human Rights Watch UN Development Programme UN Children's Fund UN High Commission for Refugees Unicef Amnesty International UN Environment Programme Yet you don't give a shit about Arabs. You are a sick inhumane conservative fuck that loves to suck off every fucking Jew you come into contact with because you think they are 'chosen' and that you will go to heaven. Why don't you just convert? Or does the 15% of the belief system not let you... >>> FUCKING OWNED <<< I do not agree with what is happening with the war in the middle east but i to am pissed off that the Israelis can do what they want without condemnation even down to killing un inspectors, civilian peace protestors, they go up against some kid who has a few stones with guns, yet no one cares.Well is it any wonder they are hated by half of the world, they claim to have the moral high ground well in my mind they are no better than the terrorists they claim to want to eradicate.That said what some Muslims are doing defies belief aswell, they want freedom of speech without letting others have the same right.They believe their religion tells them to be violent yet if the pope says that the religion is based on violence, what do they do, get violent, churches are burnt, nuns shot and protesters saying the Pope should be crucified, way to go and prove what he said was true.I think all organised religion should be outlawed. God made man, man made religion, who do you trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Fi- do or die Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 whoops sorry about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Fi- do or die Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 1. I dont even like Bush. So I'll let you go on that one. 2. Also I am not a bible thumper. 3. Your a idiot 4. After this I am done talking to you. Respond or whatever but you just dont have any brains at all. 5. Israel kicked terrorist ass. Get over it. Just like the United States is winning in Iraq. Terrorists had popular support but not anymore. They killed to many of there own people. Also I think jews are just people. Dont like em and dont love em. Your right about one thing. I HATE FUCKING ARABS Not all but most. Why? They are just sooooo stupid. They are still stuck in the 12th century. Honetsly nukes all the fuckers and move in and take the fucking oil. "I also wonder why most tips given to the Isralis are done by Arabs themselves not Jews" dude I was talking about normal people. middle class citizens. Not princes or business men. fucking idiot. And you know why Hezzbolah didn't kill you many citizens? Because they couldn't fucking hit anything with there rockets. DUH!!! http://www.arabmediawatch.com? Fucking idiot thats a biast source. No fucking duh it's gonna make them look good. Just like if you went to Whitehouse.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamza123 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 1. I dont even like Bush. So I'll let you go on that one. Bullshit. All that Bush Home-Made-Stuff is getting to your head. 2. Also I am not a bible thumper. Bible... New Testament... Same shit.. 3. Your a idiot See, this is just classic. You call me an idiot but in the same phrase you can't get it right. It's "You're an Idiot" not "Your a idiot". I won't call you an idiot, you pretty much just called yourself one. 4. After this I am done talking to you. Respond or whatever but you just dont have any brains at all. I have brains. But I don't give brains. You should probobly finish giving Brains to Bush right now. By the way you're writing this it seems like you're doing both at once. 5. Israel kicked terrorist ass. You mean it killed a thousand innocent Lebanese civilians over an Israeli Terrorist who was caputered on Lebanese Occupied land. Get over it. Just like the United States is winning in Iraq. HAHAHAHAH!!! WINNING!! LOL!! ARE YOU ON SET WITH BILL O'REILLY!! Even he'd call you a fucking idiot. The USA has the best armed forces in the world along with the best technology, but so far, it's not faring to well against guerella warfare. If you want to help Iraq at all. Just get the fuck out. Nobody is winning and nobody is even close. Terrorists had popular support but not anymore. They killed to many of there own people. Also I think jews are just people. Dont like em and dont love em. . Fuck anyone whos killed an innocent civilian. Fuck all combatants. Oh, and as for Iraqi support... Poll: Iraqis support attacks on U.S. troops WASHINGTON (AP) Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Fi- do or die Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 You know what... I just have too.. No really... I don't like bush. Not one bit. Going into afgan. yeah sure. But my creative writing teacher is a marine who helped plan all the air strikes for the 2003 war. pretty good info. No, once again I'm not a Bible thumper. Haven't opened it up in a couple years bud. i agree with you, bush needs brains and very soon. You know what? If they captured one Israeli terrorist (who was a reservist pretty sure he didn't go around terrorizing people) then maybe they shouldn't have captured him and gotten there buts beat. You don't know it now, but in 5 years history will show we won in Iraq. just wait. Let me rephrase that. I like American Arabs, That's because I know they wont blow themselves up if I get into a heated conversation with them. good education helps... Infact most terrorists can't even read... I wonder why... Ah, yes Iraqi support... Did you know there have been no terrorists attacks in the north and only a small amount in the south? Thats cause all of saddams old thugs are sunni! Are you aware of death squads of Iraqi's that go out and hunt down sunni iraqis? First video down on the left. Please actually see it. http://www.theotheriraq.com/ Courtesy of the Kurish government. Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq and the Competition October 20, 2006: Abu Isama al Iraqi, the self-proclaimed leader of the jihadis (non al Qaeda Islamic terrorists) in Iraq, wants al Qaeda to shape up. Al Iraqi has asked Osama bin Laden to repudiate the leadership of Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq, because of various "un-Islamic" things it's been doing, like targeting civilians, attacking mosques, etc. Al Iraqi has threatened to take action against Al-Qaeda-in-Iraq if Osama doesn't bring it to heel. This could be a good thing, since this means Islamic terrorist factions are threatening to fight each other over tactics. Al Qaeda is still killing lots of Iraqis, but believes that, because these civilians are Shia Arabs, it doesn't count as counter-productive. But your average Iraqi doesn't like all these suicide bomb attacks on civilian targets. Even when you target Shia, you're going to get a few Sunni (unless you are bombing a Shia mosque, but mosques, in general, are supposed to be sacrosanct.) Meanwhile, Abu Umar al Baghdadi, the Amir (leader) and spokesman for the new "Islamic State" that's been proclaimed by some of the jihadis recently, has been a source of interesting gossip on who's threatening who inside al Qaeda. The main goal of all Islamic terrorists is supposed to be the maintenance of this "Islamic State" safe zone, in western Iraq, for Islamic terrorists. But it isn't working out that way, since most of the Sunni Arab tribes have signed a deal with the government, to help hunt down Islamic terrorists. This has driven many of the Islamic terrorist groups into Baghdad, where they are on a major killing spree. So we can expect some interesting spin out of al Baghdadi, at least for as long as he survives in the wild. So you think I'm dirt huh? Then why are you reading my post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armedamerican Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 you liberals need to get out of bed with osama and get back in the fight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamza123 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 No really... I don't like bush. Not one bit. Going into afgan. yeah sure. But my creative writing teacher is a marine who helped plan all the air strikes for the 2003 war. pretty good info. Candy Land is not R/L! You know what? If they captured one Israeli terrorist (who was a reservist pretty sure he didn't go around terrorizing people) then maybe they shouldn't have captured him and gotten there buts beat. So if the Isralies can go around committing air strikes on innocent palestinians, than what is any other Israel Soldier who may have good intentions good for? This is what I am talking about. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=8093081816015615679&q=israeli+terrorism You don't know it now, but in 5 years history will show we won in Iraq. just wait. Will it be history that shows the victory in Iraq or will it be the Western Media? No doubt, I have hope for Iraqis. I like keep in mind every time someone says that Iraq is going through a civil war, the USA also went through one. et me rephrase that. I like American Arabs, That's because I know they wont blow themselves up if I get into a heated conversation with them. good education helps... Infact most terrorists can't even read... I wonder why... The terrorists you see on TV are uneducated and are the equivalent of a person who graduated only with shitty marks with the high school diploma looking to join the army. They see that all of a sudden 300,000 US Marines just appeared in there country and have killed many of their fellow countrymen and family. What do you expect them to do? Any of the soldiers I know even understand that fact and show restraint towards even critisizing them. Ah, yes Iraqi support... Did you know there have been no terrorists attacks in the north and only a small amount in the south? Thats cause all of saddams old thugs are sunni! Are you aware of death squads of Iraqi's that go out and hunt down sunni iraqis? First video down on the left. Please actually see it. http://www.theotheriraq.com/ Courtesy of the Kurish government. I don't think you understand Iraq. Saddam was sunni but he killed Kurds. The Kurds were mostly Sunni, and the opposing force is obviously the Shiites. In any country with an almost 50/50 split of Shiite and Sunni will have political problems. However, it's not a Sunni or Shiite issue. The fact is, when it seems like US Soldiers take sides on the Shiites or Sunnis and hundreds of people are dying all the time, things get really fucking tense fast. Taking sides only will bring more violence. The Iraqis are desperate and need a real outlined plan fast. So you think I'm dirt huh? Then why are you reading my post? Yeah, I do, but I think a lot of other people are fucking bitches. I still read their posts. Quote Taking it up the poopchute from Allah since 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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