U.S. Military Plans To Strike Iran - Ready If Needed

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WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. defense officials have signaled that up-to-
date attack plans are available if needed in the escalating crisis
over Iran's nuclear aims, although no strike appears imminent.

The Army and Marine Corps are under enormous strain from years of
heavy ground fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still, the United
States has ample air and naval power to strike Iran if President Bush
decided to target nuclear sites or to retaliate for alleged Iranian
meddling in neighboring Iraq.

Among the possible targets, in addition to nuclear installations like
the centrifuge plant at Natanz: Iran's ballistic missile sites,
Republican Guard bases, and naval warfare assets that Tehran could use
in a retaliatory closure of the Straits of Hormuz, a vital artery for
the flow of Gulf oil.

The Navy has an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf area with about
60 fighters and other aircraft that likely would feature prominently
in a bombing campaign. And a contingent of about 2,200 Marines are on
a standard deployment to the Gulf region aboard ships led by the USS
Kearsarge, an amphibious assault ship. Air Force fighters and bombers
are available elsewhere in the Gulf area, including a variety of
warplanes in Iraq and at a regional air operations center in Qatar.

But there has been no new buildup of U.S. firepower in the region. In
fact there has been some shrinkage in recent months. After adding a
second aircraft carrier in the Gulf early this year-a move that
Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said was designed to underscore U.S.
long-term stakes in the region-the Navy has quietly returned to a one-
carrier presence.

Talk of a possible U.S. attack on Iran has surfaced frequently this
year, prompted in some cases by hard-line statements by White House
officials. Vice President Dick Cheney, for example, stated on Oct. 21
that the United States would "not allow Iran to have a nuclear
weapon," and that Iran would face "serious consequences" if it
continued in that direction. Gates, on the other hand, has emphasized
diplomacy.

Bush suggested on Oct. 17 that Iran's continued pursuit of nuclear
arms could lead to "World War III." Yet on Wednesday, in discussing
Iran at a joint press conference with French President Nicolas
Sarkozy, Bush made no reference to the military option.

"The idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon is dangerous, and,
therefore, now is the time for us to work together to diplomatically
solve this problem," Bush said, adding that Sarkozy also wants a
peaceful solution.

Iran's conventional military forces are generally viewed as limited,
not among the strongest in the Middle East. But a leading expert on
the subject, Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and
International Studies, says it would be a mistake to view the Islamic
republic as a military weakling.

"Its strengths in overt conflict are more defensive than offensive,
but Iran has already shown it has great capability to resist outside
pressure and any form of invasion and done so under far more adverse
and divisive conditions than exist in Iran today," Cordesman wrote
earlier this year.

Cordesman estimates that Iran's army has an active strength of around
350,000 men.

At the moment, there are few indications of U.S. military leaders
either advising offensive action against Iran or taking new steps to
prepare for that possibility. Gates has repeatedly emphasized that
while military action cannot be ruled out, the focus is on diplomacy
and tougher economic sanctions.

Asked in late October whether war planning had been ramped up or was
simply undergoing routine updates, Gates replied, "I would
characterize it as routine." His description of new U.S. sanctions
announced on Oct. 25 suggested they are not a harbinger of war, but an
alternative.

A long-standing responsibility of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is to
maintain and update what are called contingency plans for potential
military action that a president might order against any conceivable
foe. The secret plans, with a range of timelines and troop numbers,
are based on a variety of potential scenarios-from an all-out invasion
like the March 2003 march on Baghdad to less demanding missions.

Another military option for Washington would be limited, clandestine
action by U.S. special operations commandos, such as Delta Force
soldiers, against a small number of key nuclear installations.

The man whose responsibility it would be to design any conventional
military action against Iran-and execute it if ordered by Bush-is Adm.
William Fallon, the Central Command chief. He is playing down
prospects of conflict, saying in a late September interview that there
is too much talk of war.

"This constant drumbeat of conflict is what strikes me, which is not
helpful and not useful," Fallon told Al-Jazeera television, adding
that he does not expect a war against Iran. During a recent tour of
the Gulf region, Fallon made a point of telling U.S. allies that Iran
is not as strong as it portrays itself.

"Not militarily, economically or politically," he said.

Fallon's immediate predecessor, retired Army Gen. John Abizaid, raised
eyebrows in September when he suggested that initiating a war against
Iran would be a mistake. He urged vigorous efforts to stop Iran from
acquiring nuclear weapons, but failing that, he said, "There are ways
to live with a nuclear Iran." He also said he believed Iran's leaders
could be dissuaded from using nuclear arms, once acquired.

The possibility of U.S. military action raises many tough questions,
beginning perhaps with the practical issue of whether the United
States knows enough about Iran's network of nuclear sites-declared
sites as well as possible clandestine ones-to sufficiently set back or
destroy their program.

Among other unknowns: Iran's capacity to retaliate by unleashing
terrorist strikes against U.S. targets.

Nonmilitary specialists who have studied Iran's nuclear program are
doubtful of U.S. military action.

"There is a nontrivial chance that there will be an attack, but it's
not likely," said Jeffrey Lewis, director of a nuclear strategy
project at the New America Foundation, a nonpartisan public policy
group.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SPLTG80&show_article=1
 
If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death

"AirRaid" <AirRaid1500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194567056.493142.185280@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. defense officials have signaled that up-to-
> date attack plans are available if needed in the escalating crisis
> over Iran's nuclear aims, although no strike appears imminent.
>
> The Army and Marine Corps are under enormous strain from years of
> heavy ground fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still, the United
> States has ample air and naval power to strike Iran if President Bush
> decided to target nuclear sites or to retaliate for alleged Iranian
> meddling in neighboring Iraq.
>
> Among the possible targets, in addition to nuclear installations like
> the centrifuge plant at Natanz: Iran's ballistic missile sites,
> Republican Guard bases, and naval warfare assets that Tehran could use
> in a retaliatory closure of the Straits of Hormuz, a vital artery for
> the flow of Gulf oil.
>
> The Navy has an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf area with about
> 60 fighters and other aircraft that likely would feature prominently
> in a bombing campaign. And a contingent of about 2,200 Marines are on
> a standard deployment to the Gulf region aboard ships led by the USS
> Kearsarge, an amphibious assault ship. Air Force fighters and bombers
> are available elsewhere in the Gulf area, including a variety of
> warplanes in Iraq and at a regional air operations center in Qatar.
>
> But there has been no new buildup of U.S. firepower in the region. In
> fact there has been some shrinkage in recent months. After adding a
> second aircraft carrier in the Gulf early this year-a move that
> Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said was designed to underscore U.S.
> long-term stakes in the region-the Navy has quietly returned to a one-
> carrier presence.
>
> Talk of a possible U.S. attack on Iran has surfaced frequently this
> year, prompted in some cases by hard-line statements by White House
> officials. Vice President Dick Cheney, for example, stated on Oct. 21
> that the United States would "not allow Iran to have a nuclear
> weapon," and that Iran would face "serious consequences" if it
> continued in that direction. Gates, on the other hand, has emphasized
> diplomacy.
>
> Bush suggested on Oct. 17 that Iran's continued pursuit of nuclear
> arms could lead to "World War III." Yet on Wednesday, in discussing
> Iran at a joint press conference with French President Nicolas
> Sarkozy, Bush made no reference to the military option.
>
> "The idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon is dangerous, and,
> therefore, now is the time for us to work together to diplomatically
> solve this problem," Bush said, adding that Sarkozy also wants a
> peaceful solution.
>
> Iran's conventional military forces are generally viewed as limited,
> not among the strongest in the Middle East. But a leading expert on
> the subject, Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and
> International Studies, says it would be a mistake to view the Islamic
> republic as a military weakling.
>
> "Its strengths in overt conflict are more defensive than offensive,
> but Iran has already shown it has great capability to resist outside
> pressure and any form of invasion and done so under far more adverse
> and divisive conditions than exist in Iran today," Cordesman wrote
> earlier this year.
>
> Cordesman estimates that Iran's army has an active strength of around
> 350,000 men.
>
> At the moment, there are few indications of U.S. military leaders
> either advising offensive action against Iran or taking new steps to
> prepare for that possibility. Gates has repeatedly emphasized that
> while military action cannot be ruled out, the focus is on diplomacy
> and tougher economic sanctions.
>
> Asked in late October whether war planning had been ramped up or was
> simply undergoing routine updates, Gates replied, "I would
> characterize it as routine." His description of new U.S. sanctions
> announced on Oct. 25 suggested they are not a harbinger of war, but an
> alternative.
>
> A long-standing responsibility of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is to
> maintain and update what are called contingency plans for potential
> military action that a president might order against any conceivable
> foe. The secret plans, with a range of timelines and troop numbers,
> are based on a variety of potential scenarios-from an all-out invasion
> like the March 2003 march on Baghdad to less demanding missions.
>
> Another military option for Washington would be limited, clandestine
> action by U.S. special operations commandos, such as Delta Force
> soldiers, against a small number of key nuclear installations.
>
> The man whose responsibility it would be to design any conventional
> military action against Iran-and execute it if ordered by Bush-is Adm.
> William Fallon, the Central Command chief. He is playing down
> prospects of conflict, saying in a late September interview that there
> is too much talk of war.
>
> "This constant drumbeat of conflict is what strikes me, which is not
> helpful and not useful," Fallon told Al-Jazeera television, adding
> that he does not expect a war against Iran. During a recent tour of
> the Gulf region, Fallon made a point of telling U.S. allies that Iran
> is not as strong as it portrays itself.
>
> "Not militarily, economically or politically," he said.
>
> Fallon's immediate predecessor, retired Army Gen. John Abizaid, raised
> eyebrows in September when he suggested that initiating a war against
> Iran would be a mistake. He urged vigorous efforts to stop Iran from
> acquiring nuclear weapons, but failing that, he said, "There are ways
> to live with a nuclear Iran." He also said he believed Iran's leaders
> could be dissuaded from using nuclear arms, once acquired.
>
> The possibility of U.S. military action raises many tough questions,
> beginning perhaps with the practical issue of whether the United
> States knows enough about Iran's network of nuclear sites-declared
> sites as well as possible clandestine ones-to sufficiently set back or
> destroy their program.
>
> Among other unknowns: Iran's capacity to retaliate by unleashing
> terrorist strikes against U.S. targets.
>
> Nonmilitary specialists who have studied Iran's nuclear program are
> doubtful of U.S. military action.
>
> "There is a nontrivial chance that there will be an attack, but it's
> not likely," said Jeffrey Lewis, director of a nuclear strategy
> project at the New America Foundation, a nonpartisan public policy
> group.
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SPLTG80&show_article=1
>
 
ElParedon wrote:
> If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death
>


That's the size of it, Alex. Baghdad will be Stalingrad on the Tigris,
with the USAins playing the Nazis.

> "AirRaid" <AirRaid1500@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1194567056.493142.185280@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. defense officials have signaled that up-to-
>> date attack plans are available if needed in the escalating crisis
>> over Iran's nuclear aims, although no strike appears imminent.
>>
>> The Army and Marine Corps are under enormous strain from years of
>> heavy ground fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still, the United
>> States has ample air and naval power to strike Iran if President Bush
>> decided to target nuclear sites or to retaliate for alleged Iranian
>> meddling in neighboring Iraq.
>>
>> Among the possible targets, in addition to nuclear installations like
>> the centrifuge plant at Natanz: Iran's ballistic missile sites,
>> Republican Guard bases, and naval warfare assets that Tehran could use
>> in a retaliatory closure of the Straits of Hormuz, a vital artery for
>> the flow of Gulf oil.
>>
>> The Navy has an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf area with about
>> 60 fighters and other aircraft that likely would feature prominently
>> in a bombing campaign. And a contingent of about 2,200 Marines are on
>> a standard deployment to the Gulf region aboard ships led by the USS
>> Kearsarge, an amphibious assault ship. Air Force fighters and bombers
>> are available elsewhere in the Gulf area, including a variety of
>> warplanes in Iraq and at a regional air operations center in Qatar.
>>
>> But there has been no new buildup of U.S. firepower in the region. In
>> fact there has been some shrinkage in recent months. After adding a
>> second aircraft carrier in the Gulf early this year-a move that
>> Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said was designed to underscore U.S.
>> long-term stakes in the region-the Navy has quietly returned to a one-
>> carrier presence.
>>
>> Talk of a possible U.S. attack on Iran has surfaced frequently this
>> year, prompted in some cases by hard-line statements by White House
>> officials. Vice President Dick Cheney, for example, stated on Oct. 21
>> that the United States would "not allow Iran to have a nuclear
>> weapon," and that Iran would face "serious consequences" if it
>> continued in that direction. Gates, on the other hand, has emphasized
>> diplomacy.
>>
>> Bush suggested on Oct. 17 that Iran's continued pursuit of nuclear
>> arms could lead to "World War III." Yet on Wednesday, in discussing
>> Iran at a joint press conference with French President Nicolas
>> Sarkozy, Bush made no reference to the military option.
>>
>> "The idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon is dangerous, and,
>> therefore, now is the time for us to work together to diplomatically
>> solve this problem," Bush said, adding that Sarkozy also wants a
>> peaceful solution.
>>
>> Iran's conventional military forces are generally viewed as limited,
>> not among the strongest in the Middle East. But a leading expert on
>> the subject, Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and
>> International Studies, says it would be a mistake to view the Islamic
>> republic as a military weakling.
>>
>> "Its strengths in overt conflict are more defensive than offensive,
>> but Iran has already shown it has great capability to resist outside
>> pressure and any form of invasion and done so under far more adverse
>> and divisive conditions than exist in Iran today," Cordesman wrote
>> earlier this year.
>>
>> Cordesman estimates that Iran's army has an active strength of around
>> 350,000 men.
>>
>> At the moment, there are few indications of U.S. military leaders
>> either advising offensive action against Iran or taking new steps to
>> prepare for that possibility. Gates has repeatedly emphasized that
>> while military action cannot be ruled out, the focus is on diplomacy
>> and tougher economic sanctions.
>>
>> Asked in late October whether war planning had been ramped up or was
>> simply undergoing routine updates, Gates replied, "I would
>> characterize it as routine." His description of new U.S. sanctions
>> announced on Oct. 25 suggested they are not a harbinger of war, but an
>> alternative.
>>
>> A long-standing responsibility of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is to
>> maintain and update what are called contingency plans for potential
>> military action that a president might order against any conceivable
>> foe. The secret plans, with a range of timelines and troop numbers,
>> are based on a variety of potential scenarios-from an all-out invasion
>> like the March 2003 march on Baghdad to less demanding missions.
>>
>> Another military option for Washington would be limited, clandestine
>> action by U.S. special operations commandos, such as Delta Force
>> soldiers, against a small number of key nuclear installations.
>>
>> The man whose responsibility it would be to design any conventional
>> military action against Iran-and execute it if ordered by Bush-is Adm.
>> William Fallon, the Central Command chief. He is playing down
>> prospects of conflict, saying in a late September interview that there
>> is too much talk of war.
>>
>> "This constant drumbeat of conflict is what strikes me, which is not
>> helpful and not useful," Fallon told Al-Jazeera television, adding
>> that he does not expect a war against Iran. During a recent tour of
>> the Gulf region, Fallon made a point of telling U.S. allies that Iran
>> is not as strong as it portrays itself.
>>
>> "Not militarily, economically or politically," he said.
>>
>> Fallon's immediate predecessor, retired Army Gen. John Abizaid, raised
>> eyebrows in September when he suggested that initiating a war against
>> Iran would be a mistake. He urged vigorous efforts to stop Iran from
>> acquiring nuclear weapons, but failing that, he said, "There are ways
>> to live with a nuclear Iran." He also said he believed Iran's leaders
>> could be dissuaded from using nuclear arms, once acquired.
>>
>> The possibility of U.S. military action raises many tough questions,
>> beginning perhaps with the practical issue of whether the United
>> States knows enough about Iran's network of nuclear sites-declared
>> sites as well as possible clandestine ones-to sufficiently set back or
>> destroy their program.
>>
>> Among other unknowns: Iran's capacity to retaliate by unleashing
>> terrorist strikes against U.S. targets.
>>
>> Nonmilitary specialists who have studied Iran's nuclear program are
>> doubtful of U.S. military action.
>>
>> "There is a nontrivial chance that there will be an attack, but it's
>> not likely," said Jeffrey Lewis, director of a nuclear strategy
>> project at the New America Foundation, a nonpartisan public policy
>> group.
>>
>> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SPLTG80&show_article=1
>>

>
>
 
"Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:5pi3pnFrglt8U1@mid.individual.net...
> ElParedon wrote:
>> If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death
>>

>
> That's the size of it, Alex. Baghdad will be Stalingrad on the Tigris,
> with the USAins playing the Nazis.


Pretty much the case right now, isn't it?




>
>> "AirRaid" <AirRaid1500@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1194567056.493142.185280@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. defense officials have signaled that up-to-
>>> date attack plans are available if needed in the escalating crisis
>>> over Iran's nuclear aims, although no strike appears imminent.
>>>
>>> The Army and Marine Corps are under enormous strain from years of
>>> heavy ground fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still, the United
>>> States has ample air and naval power to strike Iran if President Bush
>>> decided to target nuclear sites or to retaliate for alleged Iranian
>>> meddling in neighboring Iraq.
>>>
>>> Among the possible targets, in addition to nuclear installations like
>>> the centrifuge plant at Natanz: Iran's ballistic missile sites,
>>> Republican Guard bases, and naval warfare assets that Tehran could use
>>> in a retaliatory closure of the Straits of Hormuz, a vital artery for
>>> the flow of Gulf oil.
>>>
>>> The Navy has an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf area with about
>>> 60 fighters and other aircraft that likely would feature prominently
>>> in a bombing campaign. And a contingent of about 2,200 Marines are on
>>> a standard deployment to the Gulf region aboard ships led by the USS
>>> Kearsarge, an amphibious assault ship. Air Force fighters and bombers
>>> are available elsewhere in the Gulf area, including a variety of
>>> warplanes in Iraq and at a regional air operations center in Qatar.
>>>
>>> But there has been no new buildup of U.S. firepower in the region. In
>>> fact there has been some shrinkage in recent months. After adding a
>>> second aircraft carrier in the Gulf early this year-a move that
>>> Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said was designed to underscore U.S.
>>> long-term stakes in the region-the Navy has quietly returned to a one-
>>> carrier presence.
>>>
>>> Talk of a possible U.S. attack on Iran has surfaced frequently this
>>> year, prompted in some cases by hard-line statements by White House
>>> officials. Vice President Dick Cheney, for example, stated on Oct. 21
>>> that the United States would "not allow Iran to have a nuclear
>>> weapon," and that Iran would face "serious consequences" if it
>>> continued in that direction. Gates, on the other hand, has emphasized
>>> diplomacy.
>>>
>>> Bush suggested on Oct. 17 that Iran's continued pursuit of nuclear
>>> arms could lead to "World War III." Yet on Wednesday, in discussing
>>> Iran at a joint press conference with French President Nicolas
>>> Sarkozy, Bush made no reference to the military option.
>>>
>>> "The idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon is dangerous, and,
>>> therefore, now is the time for us to work together to diplomatically
>>> solve this problem," Bush said, adding that Sarkozy also wants a
>>> peaceful solution.
>>>
>>> Iran's conventional military forces are generally viewed as limited,
>>> not among the strongest in the Middle East. But a leading expert on
>>> the subject, Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and
>>> International Studies, says it would be a mistake to view the Islamic
>>> republic as a military weakling.
>>>
>>> "Its strengths in overt conflict are more defensive than offensive,
>>> but Iran has already shown it has great capability to resist outside
>>> pressure and any form of invasion and done so under far more adverse
>>> and divisive conditions than exist in Iran today," Cordesman wrote
>>> earlier this year.
>>>
>>> Cordesman estimates that Iran's army has an active strength of around
>>> 350,000 men.
>>>
>>> At the moment, there are few indications of U.S. military leaders
>>> either advising offensive action against Iran or taking new steps to
>>> prepare for that possibility. Gates has repeatedly emphasized that
>>> while military action cannot be ruled out, the focus is on diplomacy
>>> and tougher economic sanctions.
>>>
>>> Asked in late October whether war planning had been ramped up or was
>>> simply undergoing routine updates, Gates replied, "I would
>>> characterize it as routine." His description of new U.S. sanctions
>>> announced on Oct. 25 suggested they are not a harbinger of war, but an
>>> alternative.
>>>
>>> A long-standing responsibility of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is to
>>> maintain and update what are called contingency plans for potential
>>> military action that a president might order against any conceivable
>>> foe. The secret plans, with a range of timelines and troop numbers,
>>> are based on a variety of potential scenarios-from an all-out invasion
>>> like the March 2003 march on Baghdad to less demanding missions.
>>>
>>> Another military option for Washington would be limited, clandestine
>>> action by U.S. special operations commandos, such as Delta Force
>>> soldiers, against a small number of key nuclear installations.
>>>
>>> The man whose responsibility it would be to design any conventional
>>> military action against Iran-and execute it if ordered by Bush-is Adm.
>>> William Fallon, the Central Command chief. He is playing down
>>> prospects of conflict, saying in a late September interview that there
>>> is too much talk of war.
>>>
>>> "This constant drumbeat of conflict is what strikes me, which is not
>>> helpful and not useful," Fallon told Al-Jazeera television, adding
>>> that he does not expect a war against Iran. During a recent tour of
>>> the Gulf region, Fallon made a point of telling U.S. allies that Iran
>>> is not as strong as it portrays itself.
>>>
>>> "Not militarily, economically or politically," he said.
>>>
>>> Fallon's immediate predecessor, retired Army Gen. John Abizaid, raised
>>> eyebrows in September when he suggested that initiating a war against
>>> Iran would be a mistake. He urged vigorous efforts to stop Iran from
>>> acquiring nuclear weapons, but failing that, he said, "There are ways
>>> to live with a nuclear Iran." He also said he believed Iran's leaders
>>> could be dissuaded from using nuclear arms, once acquired.
>>>
>>> The possibility of U.S. military action raises many tough questions,
>>> beginning perhaps with the practical issue of whether the United
>>> States knows enough about Iran's network of nuclear sites-declared
>>> sites as well as possible clandestine ones-to sufficiently set back or
>>> destroy their program.
>>>
>>> Among other unknowns: Iran's capacity to retaliate by unleashing
>>> terrorist strikes against U.S. targets.
>>>
>>> Nonmilitary specialists who have studied Iran's nuclear program are
>>> doubtful of U.S. military action.
>>>
>>> "There is a nontrivial chance that there will be an attack, but it's
>>> not likely," said Jeffrey Lewis, director of a nuclear strategy
>>> project at the New America Foundation, a nonpartisan public policy
>>> group.
>>>
>>> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SPLTG80&show_article=1
>>>

>>
>>

>
 
B'enjamin C'ramer wrote:
>
> "Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
> news:5pi3pnFrglt8U1@mid.individual.net...
>> ElParedon wrote:
>>> If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death
>>>

>>
>> That's the size of it, Alex. Baghdad will be Stalingrad on the
>> Tigris, with the USAins playing the Nazis.

>
> Pretty much the case right now, isn't it?
>


Sort of. When the supply route from Kuwait is cut off, the
Stalingradishness of the situation will be unmistakable.
 
"Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:5pi7hcFrklfnU2@mid.individual.net...
> B'enjamin C'ramer wrote:
>>
>> "Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
>> news:5pi3pnFrglt8U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> ElParedon wrote:
>>>> If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's the size of it, Alex. Baghdad will be Stalingrad on the Tigris,
>>> with the USAins playing the Nazis.

>>
>> Pretty much the case right now, isn't it?
>>

>
> Sort of. When the supply route from Kuwait is cut off, the
> Stalingradishness of the situation will be unmistakable.


It's a goddamned tragedy that so many American lives have been sacrificed
for the yids.

Michael Scheuer, when he stated, "Israel is not worth losing one American
life or one American dollar" was right on the money.
 
On Nov 9, 10:10 am, AirRaid <AirRaid1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. defense officials have signaled that up-to-
> date attack plans are available if needed in the escalating crisis
> over Iran's nuclear aims, although no strike appears imminent.
>
> The Army and Marine Corps are under enormous strain from years of
> heavy ground fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still, the United
> States has ample air and naval power to strike Iran if President Bush
> decided to target nuclear sites or to retaliate for alleged Iranian
> meddling in neighboring Iraq.
>
> Among the possible targets, in addition to nuclear installations like
> the centrifuge plant at Natanz: Iran's ballistic missile sites,
> Republican Guard bases, and naval warfare assets that Tehran could use
> in a retaliatory closure of the Straits of Hormuz, a vital artery for
> the flow of Gulf oil.
>
> The Navy has an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf area with about
> 60 fighters and other aircraft that likely would feature prominently
> in a bombing campaign. And a contingent of about 2,200 Marines are on
> a standard deployment to the Gulf region aboard ships led by the USS
> Kearsarge, an amphibious assault ship. Air Force fighters and bombers
> are available elsewhere in the Gulf area, including a variety of
> warplanes in Iraq and at a regional air operations center in Qatar.
>
> But there has been no new buildup of U.S. firepower in the region. In
> fact there has been some shrinkage in recent months. After adding a
> second aircraft carrier in the Gulf early this year-a move that
> Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said was designed to underscore U.S.
> long-term stakes in the region-the Navy has quietly returned to a one-
> carrier presence.
>
> Talk of a possible U.S. attack on Iran has surfaced frequently this
> year, prompted in some cases by hard-line statements by White House
> officials. Vice President Dick Cheney, for example, stated on Oct. 21
> that the United States would "not allow Iran to have a nuclear
> weapon," and that Iran would face "serious consequences" if it
> continued in that direction. Gates, on the other hand, has emphasized
> diplomacy.
>
> Bush suggested on Oct. 17 that Iran's continued pursuit of nuclear
> arms could lead to "World War III." Yet on Wednesday, in discussing
> Iran at a joint press conference with French President Nicolas
> Sarkozy, Bush made no reference to the military option.
>
> "The idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon is dangerous, and,
> therefore, now is the time for us to work together to diplomatically
> solve this problem," Bush said, adding that Sarkozy also wants a
> peaceful solution.
>
> Iran's conventional military forces are generally viewed as limited,
> not among the strongest in the Middle East. But a leading expert on
> the subject, Anthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and
> International Studies, says it would be a mistake to view the Islamic
> republic as a military weakling.
>
> "Its strengths in overt conflict are more defensive than offensive,
> but Iran has already shown it has great capability to resist outside
> pressure and any form of invasion and done so under far more adverse
> and divisive conditions than exist in Iran today," Cordesman wrote
> earlier this year.
>
> Cordesman estimates that Iran's army has an active strength of around
> 350,000 men.
>
> At the moment, there are few indications of U.S. military leaders
> either advising offensive action against Iran or taking new steps to
> prepare for that possibility. Gates has repeatedly emphasized that
> while military action cannot be ruled out, the focus is on diplomacy
> and tougher economic sanctions.
>
> Asked in late October whether war planning had been ramped up or was
> simply undergoing routine updates, Gates replied, "I would
> characterize it as routine." His description of new U.S. sanctions
> announced on Oct. 25 suggested they are not a harbinger of war, but an
> alternative.
>
> A long-standing responsibility of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is to
> maintain and update what are called contingency plans for potential
> military action that a president might order against any conceivable
> foe. The secret plans, with a range of timelines and troop numbers,
> are based on a variety of potential scenarios-from an all-out invasion
> like the March 2003 march on Baghdad to less demanding missions.
>
> Another military option for Washington would be limited, clandestine
> action by U.S. special operations commandos, such as Delta Force
> soldiers, against a small number of key nuclear installations.
>
> The man whose responsibility it would be to design any conventional
> military action against Iran-and execute it if ordered by Bush-is Adm.
> William Fallon, the Central Command chief. He is playing down
> prospects of conflict, saying in a late September interview that there
> is too much talk of war.
>
> "This constant drumbeat of conflict is what strikes me, which is not
> helpful and not useful," Fallon told Al-Jazeera television, adding
> that he does not expect a war against Iran. During a recent tour of
> the Gulf region, Fallon made a point of telling U.S. allies that Iran
> is not as strong as it portrays itself.
>
> "Not militarily, economically or politically," he said.
>
> Fallon's immediate predecessor, retired Army Gen. John Abizaid, raised
> eyebrows in September when he suggested that initiating a war against
> Iran would be a mistake. He urged vigorous efforts to stop Iran from
> acquiring nuclear weapons, but failing that, he said, "There are ways
> to live with a nuclear Iran." He also said he believed Iran's leaders
> could be dissuaded from using nuclear arms, once acquired.
>
> The possibility of U.S. military action raises many tough questions,
> beginning perhaps with the practical issue of whether the United
> States knows enough about Iran's network of nuclear sites-declared
> sites as well as possible clandestine ones-to sufficiently set back or
> destroy their program.
>
> Among other unknowns: Iran's capacity to retaliate by unleashing
> terrorist strikes against U.S. targets.
>
> Nonmilitary specialists who have studied Iran's nuclear program are
> doubtful of U.S. military action.
>
> "There is a nontrivial chance that there will be an attack, but it's
> not likely," said Jeffrey Lewis, director of a nuclear strategy
> project at the New America Foundation, a nonpartisan public policy
> group.
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SPLTG80&show_article=1


The US Luftwaffe on standby? - He is bluffing.

Adolf Bush is chanting the same old Nazi lie.

"The idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon is dangerous"

Ofcourse it is dangerous! - Iran dropped two nuclear weapons on
Japanese civilians.

Iran invaded Iraq and the myriad of other countries the US has been
harassing.

But who is Cheney to say:

"the United States would "not allow Iran to have a nuclear
weapon,"

Is there something personal of Bush/Cheney on Iran?

I remember when Clinton bombed the Serbian TV station
along with the Chinese Embassy over a few jokes that were aired
during the Kosovo conflict.
 
On a sunny day (Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:10:56 -0800) it happened AirRaid
<AirRaid1500@gmail.com> wrote in
<1194567056.493142.185280@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:

> WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. defense officials have signaled that up-to-
>date attack plans are available if needed in the escalating crisis
>over Iran's nuclear aims, although no strike appears imminent.


I think the US has also plans to reduce the deficit.

plans... best layed out plans..
 
> "AirRaid" <AirRaid1500@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. defense officials have signaled that up-to-
>> date attack plans are available if needed in the escalating crisis
>> over Iran's nuclear aims, although no strike appears imminent.
>>






If that ass decides to strike Iran, will the last real American in
uniform please strap Bush's sorry ass to the first bomb out of the
bombbay?
 
"AirRaid" <AirRaid1500@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194567056.493142.185280@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. defense officials have signaled that up-to-
> date attack plans are available if needed in the escalating crisis
> over Iran's nuclear aims, although no strike appears imminent.


Death to Iran!

Bomb Iran NOW!
 
"ElParedon" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3UPYi.516$2I3.29@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death


Bullshit.
 
"Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:5pi3pnFrglt8U1@mid.individual.net...
> ElParedon wrote:
>> If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death

> That's the size of it, Alex. Baghdad will be Stalingrad on the Tigris,
> with the USAins playing the Nazis.


Iranians are pussies. They won't do anything.
 
On Nov 9, 11:04 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
> "Defendario" <Defenda...@netscape.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5pi3pnFrglt8U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > ElParedon wrote:
> >> If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death

> > That's the size of it, Alex. Baghdad will be Stalingrad on the Tigris,
> > with the USAins playing the Nazis.

>
> Iranians are pussies. They won't do anything.


Actually, the Iranians can't do anything--at least to the United
States. Iran has nothing that can reach the United States, not even
manned bombers. So the United States is safe even if the insane
invader Bush decides to send nuclear-armed B-52s from Barksdale to
Tehran to start the regional war.

Of course, Iran is not totally helpless against the United States.
Iran could attack and probably wipe out those thousands of dispirited
young American soldiers banging around Baghdad, but the American
people won't mind that. After all, the American people have sat back
for five years without objections as thousands of young American
soldiers have been killed and maimed in occupying Iraq without rhyme
or reason.

So Iran could at least tweak Bush's nose by slaughtering a hundred
thousand or so young Americans just across the border in Iraq, but
that probably wouldn't cause Bush to turn from his Jew-appointed
journey.

But, even with all that, I find myself at times thinking that an
attack on Iran might bring about some good. It might bring about the
long overdue destruction of that little viper's nest on the
Mediteranean called Israel.

Iran may have nothing to reach the United States, but Israel is well
within Iran's effective military envelope. The Iranians recently
warned that an attack would be answered with more than 11,000 Iranian
missiles reported to have ample range to reach the Mediteranean coast.

No one should think that the Iranians would launch 11,000 missiles
aimed at dispersed U.S. ground troops in Iraq. And no one should
think that Iran wants to destroy Iraqi cities--they would gain nothing
from such a plan. Iran wan't attack Turkey either--Turkey and Iran
have some serious economic ties that neither want to break.

On the other hand, a few thousand rockets aimed at Israel, homed in on
the capital at Tel Aviv, the seaport at Haifa, and the nuclear
facilities at Dimona, would strike a fatal blow to the ancient enemy
of the Arabs and the Persians, the ancient enemy that has been
squatting on stolen ground in the Middle East for over 50 years and
randomly murdering Arab peasants for pleasure.

The Jews in the United States would go berserk over a serious attack
on Israel. The United States media would be flooded with mourning
symbols for the demise of the poor Jews in Israel. Americans might
not mourn the thousands of young soldiers, but the media will compel
them to lament and mourn the deaths of Israelis. A strke on Israel
would be just as good as a strike on the United States. If the
Iranians have formulated a plan for retaliation in case of a military
attack, we can be pretty certain that Israel is a prominent part of
the plan.

So a U.S. attack on Iraq could mean the exodus of the Jews from the
Middle East. Remember how the Jews in Israel reacted to the few
Katusha rockets recently delivered to northern Israel from the
Hezbollah launch pads in southern Lebanon. The Jews wilted under the
strain. Heavy bombardment from Iran would result in the Jews
abandoning Israel for safer ground. The Palestinians would take over
with the assistance of both the Iranians and the Syrians. And Israel
would finally be gone. That could be the one positive result of an
U.S. attack on Iran.
 
snakehawk wrote:
> On Nov 9, 11:04 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>> "Defendario" <Defenda...@netscape.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:5pi3pnFrglt8U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>> ElParedon wrote:
>>>> If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death
>>> That's the size of it, Alex. Baghdad will be Stalingrad on the Tigris,
>>> with the USAins playing the Nazis.

>> Iranians are pussies. They won't do anything.

>
> Actually, the Iranians can't do anything--at least to the United
> States. Iran has nothing that can reach the United States, not even
> manned bombers. So the United States is safe even if the insane
> invader Bush decides to send nuclear-armed B-52s from Barksdale to
> Tehran to start the regional war.
>
> Of course, Iran is not totally helpless against the United States.
> Iran could attack and probably wipe out those thousands of dispirited
> young American soldiers banging around Baghdad, but the American
> people won't mind that. After all, the American people have sat back
> for five years without objections as thousands of young American
> soldiers have been killed and maimed in occupying Iraq without rhyme
> or reason.
>
> So Iran could at least tweak Bush's nose by slaughtering a hundred
> thousand or so young Americans just across the border in Iraq, but
> that probably wouldn't cause Bush to turn from his Jew-appointed
> journey.
>
> But, even with all that, I find myself at times thinking that an
> attack on Iran might bring about some good. It might bring about the
> long overdue destruction of that little viper's nest on the
> Mediteranean called Israel.
>
> Iran may have nothing to reach the United States, but Israel is well
> within Iran's effective military envelope. The Iranians recently
> warned that an attack would be answered with more than 11,000 Iranian
> missiles reported to have ample range to reach the Mediteranean coast.
>
> No one should think that the Iranians would launch 11,000 missiles
> aimed at dispersed U.S. ground troops in Iraq. And no one should
> think that Iran wants to destroy Iraqi cities--they would gain nothing
> from such a plan. Iran wan't attack Turkey either--Turkey and Iran
> have some serious economic ties that neither want to break.
>
> On the other hand, a few thousand rockets aimed at Israel, homed in on
> the capital at Tel Aviv, the seaport at Haifa, and the nuclear
> facilities at Dimona, would strike a fatal blow to the ancient enemy
> of the Arabs and the Persians, the ancient enemy that has been
> squatting on stolen ground in the Middle East for over 50 years and
> randomly murdering Arab peasants for pleasure.
>
> The Jews in the United States would go berserk over a serious attack
> on Israel. The United States media would be flooded with mourning
> symbols for the demise of the poor Jews in Israel. Americans might
> not mourn the thousands of young soldiers, but the media will compel
> them to lament and mourn the deaths of Israelis. A strke on Israel
> would be just as good as a strike on the United States. If the
> Iranians have formulated a plan for retaliation in case of a military
> attack, we can be pretty certain that Israel is a prominent part of
> the plan.
>
> So a U.S. attack on Iraq could mean the exodus of the Jews from the
> Middle East. Remember how the Jews in Israel reacted to the few
> Katusha rockets recently delivered to northern Israel from the
> Hezbollah launch pads in southern Lebanon. The Jews wilted under the
> strain. Heavy bombardment from Iran would result in the Jews
> abandoning Israel for safer ground. The Palestinians would take over
> with the assistance of both the Iranians and the Syrians. And Israel
> would finally be gone. That could be the one positive result of an
> U.S. attack on Iran.
>


Insh'Allah, brother.

Blessed will be the day.
 
"snakehawk" <snakehawk@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
news:1194634059.327549.203600@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 9, 11:04 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>> "Defendario" <Defenda...@netscape.com> wrote in message
>> news:5pi3pnFrglt8U1@mid.individual.net...
>> > ElParedon wrote:
>> >> If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death
>> > That's the size of it, Alex. Baghdad will be Stalingrad on the Tigris,
>> > with the USAins playing the Nazis.

>> Iranians are pussies. They won't do anything.

> Actually, the Iranians can't do anything--at least to the United
> States. Iran has nothing that can reach the United States, not even
> manned bombers. So the United States is safe even if the insane
> invader Bush decides to send nuclear-armed B-52s from Barksdale to
> Tehran to start the regional war.
> Of course, Iran is not totally helpless against the United States.
> Iran could attack and probably wipe out those thousands of dispirited
> young American soldiers banging around Baghdad


Nope, Iran can't do that.

> But, even with all that, I find myself at times thinking that an
> attack on Iran might bring about some good. It might bring about the
> long overdue destruction of that little viper's nest on the
> Mediteranean called Israel.


Never happen.

> Iran may have nothing to reach the United States, but Israel is well
> within Iran's effective military envelope. The Iranians recently
> warned that an attack would be answered with more than 11,000 Iranian
> missiles reported to have ample range to reach the Mediteranean coast.


Bluster and bullshit.

We would wipe out their defenses.

> On the other hand, a few thousand rockets


Not even a few hundred.
 
On Nov 9, 9:24 pm, Defendario <Defenda...@netscape.com> wrote:
> snakehawk wrote:
> > On Nov 9, 11:04 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
> >> "Defendario" <Defenda...@netscape.com> wrote in message

>
> >>news:5pi3pnFrglt8U1@mid.individual.net...

>
> >>> ElParedon wrote:
> >>>> If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death
> >>> That's the size of it, Alex. Baghdad will be Stalingrad on the Tigris,
> >>> with the USAins playing the Nazis.
> >> Iranians are pussies. They won't do anything.

>
> > Actually, the Iranians can't do anything--at least to the United
> > States. Iran has nothing that can reach the United States, not even
> > manned bombers. So the United States is safe even if the insane
> > invader Bush decides to send nuclear-armed B-52s from Barksdale to
> > Tehran to start the regional war.

>
> > Of course, Iran is not totally helpless against the United States.
> > Iran could attack and probably wipe out those thousands of dispirited
> > young American soldiers banging around Baghdad, but the American
> > people won't mind that. After all, the American people have sat back
> > for five years without objections as thousands of young American
> > soldiers have been killed and maimed in occupying Iraq without rhyme
> > or reason.

>
> > So Iran could at least tweak Bush's nose by slaughtering a hundred
> > thousand or so young Americans just across the border in Iraq, but
> > that probably wouldn't cause Bush to turn from his Jew-appointed
> > journey.

>
> > But, even with all that, I find myself at times thinking that an
> > attack on Iran might bring about some good. It might bring about the
> > long overdue destruction of that little viper's nest on the
> > Mediteranean called Israel.

>
> > Iran may have nothing to reach the United States, but Israel is well
> > within Iran's effective military envelope. The Iranians recently
> > warned that an attack would be answered with more than 11,000 Iranian
> > missiles reported to have ample range to reach the Mediteranean coast.

>
> > No one should think that the Iranians would launch 11,000 missiles
> > aimed at dispersed U.S. ground troops in Iraq. And no one should
> > think that Iran wants to destroy Iraqi cities--they would gain nothing
> > from such a plan. Iran wan't attack Turkey either--Turkey and Iran
> > have some serious economic ties that neither want to break.

>
> > On the other hand, a few thousand rockets aimed at Israel, homed in on
> > the capital at Tel Aviv, the seaport at Haifa, and the nuclear
> > facilities at Dimona, would strike a fatal blow to the ancient enemy
> > of the Arabs and the Persians, the ancient enemy that has been
> > squatting on stolen ground in the Middle East for over 50 years and
> > randomly murdering Arab peasants for pleasure.

>
> > The Jews in the United States would go berserk over a serious attack
> > on Israel. The United States media would be flooded with mourning
> > symbols for the demise of the poor Jews in Israel. Americans might
> > not mourn the thousands of young soldiers, but the media will compel
> > them to lament and mourn the deaths of Israelis. A strke on Israel
> > would be just as good as a strike on the United States. If the
> > Iranians have formulated a plan for retaliation in case of a military
> > attack, we can be pretty certain that Israel is a prominent part of
> > the plan.

>
> > So a U.S. attack on Iraq could mean the exodus of the Jews from the
> > Middle East. Remember how the Jews in Israel reacted to the few
> > Katusha rockets recently delivered to northern Israel from the
> > Hezbollah launch pads in southern Lebanon. The Jews wilted under the
> > strain. Heavy bombardment from Iran would result in the Jews
> > abandoning Israel for safer ground. The Palestinians would take over
> > with the assistance of both the Iranians and the Syrians. And Israel
> > would finally be gone. That could be the one positive result of an
> > U.S. attack on Iran.

>
> Insh'Allah, brother.
>
> Blessed will be the day.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Now you're a German Luthern son's the bitch so why do you write
Insh'Allah.
 
Rami Ati wrote:
> On Nov 9, 9:24 pm, Defendario <Defenda...@netscape.com> wrote:
>> snakehawk wrote:
>>> On Nov 9, 11:04 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>>>> "Defendario" <Defenda...@netscape.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:5pi3pnFrglt8U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> ElParedon wrote:
>>>>>> If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death
>>>>> That's the size of it, Alex. Baghdad will be Stalingrad on the Tigris,
>>>>> with the USAins playing the Nazis.
>>>> Iranians are pussies. They won't do anything.
>>> Actually, the Iranians can't do anything--at least to the United
>>> States. Iran has nothing that can reach the United States, not even
>>> manned bombers. So the United States is safe even if the insane
>>> invader Bush decides to send nuclear-armed B-52s from Barksdale to
>>> Tehran to start the regional war.
>>> Of course, Iran is not totally helpless against the United States.
>>> Iran could attack and probably wipe out those thousands of dispirited
>>> young American soldiers banging around Baghdad, but the American
>>> people won't mind that. After all, the American people have sat back
>>> for five years without objections as thousands of young American
>>> soldiers have been killed and maimed in occupying Iraq without rhyme
>>> or reason.
>>> So Iran could at least tweak Bush's nose by slaughtering a hundred
>>> thousand or so young Americans just across the border in Iraq, but
>>> that probably wouldn't cause Bush to turn from his Jew-appointed
>>> journey.
>>> But, even with all that, I find myself at times thinking that an
>>> attack on Iran might bring about some good. It might bring about the
>>> long overdue destruction of that little viper's nest on the
>>> Mediteranean called Israel.
>>> Iran may have nothing to reach the United States, but Israel is well
>>> within Iran's effective military envelope. The Iranians recently
>>> warned that an attack would be answered with more than 11,000 Iranian
>>> missiles reported to have ample range to reach the Mediteranean coast.
>>> No one should think that the Iranians would launch 11,000 missiles
>>> aimed at dispersed U.S. ground troops in Iraq. And no one should
>>> think that Iran wants to destroy Iraqi cities--they would gain nothing
>>> from such a plan. Iran wan't attack Turkey either--Turkey and Iran
>>> have some serious economic ties that neither want to break.
>>> On the other hand, a few thousand rockets aimed at Israel, homed in on
>>> the capital at Tel Aviv, the seaport at Haifa, and the nuclear
>>> facilities at Dimona, would strike a fatal blow to the ancient enemy
>>> of the Arabs and the Persians, the ancient enemy that has been
>>> squatting on stolen ground in the Middle East for over 50 years and
>>> randomly murdering Arab peasants for pleasure.
>>> The Jews in the United States would go berserk over a serious attack
>>> on Israel. The United States media would be flooded with mourning
>>> symbols for the demise of the poor Jews in Israel. Americans might
>>> not mourn the thousands of young soldiers, but the media will compel
>>> them to lament and mourn the deaths of Israelis. A strke on Israel
>>> would be just as good as a strike on the United States. If the
>>> Iranians have formulated a plan for retaliation in case of a military
>>> attack, we can be pretty certain that Israel is a prominent part of
>>> the plan.
>>> So a U.S. attack on Iraq could mean the exodus of the Jews from the
>>> Middle East. Remember how the Jews in Israel reacted to the few
>>> Katusha rockets recently delivered to northern Israel from the
>>> Hezbollah launch pads in southern Lebanon. The Jews wilted under the
>>> strain. Heavy bombardment from Iran would result in the Jews
>>> abandoning Israel for safer ground. The Palestinians would take over
>>> with the assistance of both the Iranians and the Syrians. And Israel
>>> would finally be gone. That could be the one positive result of an
>>> U.S. attack on Iran.

>> Insh'Allah, brother.
>>
>> Blessed will be the day.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> Now you're a German Luthern


No, I'm not. Not German, not Lutheran.

> son's the bitch


I hope your Momma runs out from under the porch and bites you, zioNist.

> so why do you write
> Insh'Allah.
>


Because I can.

;D
 
On Nov 11, 3:29 pm, Defendario <Defenda...@netscape.com> wrote:
> Rami Ati wrote:
> > On Nov 9, 9:24 pm, Defendario <Defenda...@netscape.com> wrote:
> >> snakehawk wrote:
> >>> On Nov 9, 11:04 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
> >>>> "Defendario" <Defenda...@netscape.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:5pi3pnFrglt8U1@mid.individual.net...
> >>>>> ElParedon wrote:
> >>>>>> If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death
> >>>>> That's the size of it, Alex. Baghdad will be Stalingrad on the Tigris,
> >>>>> with the USAins playing the Nazis.
> >>>> Iranians are pussies. They won't do anything.
> >>> Actually, the Iranians can't do anything--at least to the United
> >>> States. Iran has nothing that can reach the United States, not even
> >>> manned bombers. So the United States is safe even if the insane
> >>> invader Bush decides to send nuclear-armed B-52s from Barksdale to
> >>> Tehran to start the regional war.
> >>> Of course, Iran is not totally helpless against the United States.
> >>> Iran could attack and probably wipe out those thousands of dispirited
> >>> young American soldiers banging around Baghdad, but the American
> >>> people won't mind that. After all, the American people have sat back
> >>> for five years without objections as thousands of young American
> >>> soldiers have been killed and maimed in occupying Iraq without rhyme
> >>> or reason.
> >>> So Iran could at least tweak Bush's nose by slaughtering a hundred
> >>> thousand or so young Americans just across the border in Iraq, but
> >>> that probably wouldn't cause Bush to turn from his Jew-appointed
> >>> journey.
> >>> But, even with all that, I find myself at times thinking that an
> >>> attack on Iran might bring about some good. It might bring about the
> >>> long overdue destruction of that little viper's nest on the
> >>> Mediteranean called Israel.
> >>> Iran may have nothing to reach the United States, but Israel is well
> >>> within Iran's effective military envelope. The Iranians recently
> >>> warned that an attack would be answered with more than 11,000 Iranian
> >>> missiles reported to have ample range to reach the Mediteranean coast.
> >>> No one should think that the Iranians would launch 11,000 missiles
> >>> aimed at dispersed U.S. ground troops in Iraq. And no one should
> >>> think that Iran wants to destroy Iraqi cities--they would gain nothing
> >>> from such a plan. Iran wan't attack Turkey either--Turkey and Iran
> >>> have some serious economic ties that neither want to break.
> >>> On the other hand, a few thousand rockets aimed at Israel, homed in on
> >>> the capital at Tel Aviv, the seaport at Haifa, and the nuclear
> >>> facilities at Dimona, would strike a fatal blow to the ancient enemy
> >>> of the Arabs and the Persians, the ancient enemy that has been
> >>> squatting on stolen ground in the Middle East for over 50 years and
> >>> randomly murdering Arab peasants for pleasure.
> >>> The Jews in the United States would go berserk over a serious attack
> >>> on Israel. The United States media would be flooded with mourning
> >>> symbols for the demise of the poor Jews in Israel. Americans might
> >>> not mourn the thousands of young soldiers, but the media will compel
> >>> them to lament and mourn the deaths of Israelis. A strke on Israel
> >>> would be just as good as a strike on the United States. If the
> >>> Iranians have formulated a plan for retaliation in case of a military
> >>> attack, we can be pretty certain that Israel is a prominent part of
> >>> the plan.
> >>> So a U.S. attack on Iraq could mean the exodus of the Jews from the
> >>> Middle East. Remember how the Jews in Israel reacted to the few
> >>> Katusha rockets recently delivered to northern Israel from the
> >>> Hezbollah launch pads in southern Lebanon. The Jews wilted under the
> >>> strain. Heavy bombardment from Iran would result in the Jews
> >>> abandoning Israel for safer ground. The Palestinians would take over
> >>> with the assistance of both the Iranians and the Syrians. And Israel
> >>> would finally be gone. That could be the one positive result of an
> >>> U.S. attack on Iran.
> >> Insh'Allah, brother.

>
> >> Blessed will be the day.- Hide quoted text -

>
> >> - Show quoted text -

>
> > Now you're a German Luthern

>
> No, I'm not. Not German, not Lutheran.
>
> > son's the bitch

>
> I hope your Momma runs out from under the porch and bites you, zioNist.
>
> > so why do you write
> > Insh'Allah.

>
> Because I can.
>
> ;D- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


It's oblivious you can but you're a German Lutheran sons the bitch not
Muslim at all so why do you write Insh'Allah. Any honorable Muslim
would **** in your mouth.
 
"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.com> wrote in message
news:47374470$0$4989$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "snakehawk" <snakehawk@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
> news:1194634059.327549.203600@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 9, 11:04 am, "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.com> wrote:
>>> "Defendario" <Defenda...@netscape.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5pi3pnFrglt8U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> > ElParedon wrote:
>>> >> If they do they will condemn 250,000 Americans in Iraq to death
>>> > That's the size of it, Alex. Baghdad will be Stalingrad on the
>>> > Tigris,
>>> > with the USAins playing the Nazis.
>>> Iranians are pussies. They won't do anything.

>> Actually, the Iranians can't do anything--at least to the United
>> States. Iran has nothing that can reach the United States, not even
>> manned bombers. So the United States is safe even if the insane
>> invader Bush decides to send nuclear-armed B-52s from Barksdale to
>> Tehran to start the regional war.
>> Of course, Iran is not totally helpless against the United States.
>> Iran could attack and probably wipe out those thousands of dispirited
>> young American soldiers banging around Baghdad

>
> Nope, Iran can't do that.


****ing oath it can, and will if you're stupid enough to whack 'em.
>
>> But, even with all that, I find myself at times thinking that an
>> attack on Iran might bring about some good. It might bring about the
>> long overdue destruction of that little viper's nest on the
>> Mediteranean called Israel.

>
> Never happen.


It most certainly will.
>
>> Iran may have nothing to reach the United States, but Israel is well
>> within Iran's effective military envelope. The Iranians recently
>> warned that an attack would be answered with more than 11,000 Iranian
>> missiles reported to have ample range to reach the Mediteranean coast.

>
> Bluster and bullshit.


Is what you and the ****ing yids are all about, queercunt.

>
> We would wipe out their defenses.


Yeah! Right! You've done so well in Iraq, haven't you. Just as you did so
really, really well against some ****** warlords in Mogadishu. ****ing
losers, the lot of you.
 
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